elampiro:

Rooney 84 shots outside the box.
Hernadez 6 shots outside the box.
This gap is even like heaven and hell even if you prorate the time.

that is because hernandez is a box player. even if he's through on goal, he would make sure he walks the ball into the box before shooting.

how can you compare the attributes of hernandez to rooney? are you even sure you understand football at all? rooney shoots sporadically. hernandez is a poacher, his strength is in the box, not outside of it.

Rooney did not play as a lone striker. What was Berbatov doing? Berba's laziness made it look like he never existed in the team. He was actually the lead man.Rooney was the lone striker in the champions league games.

lazy berbatov went on to win golden boot for man utd while the powerful rooney has nothing to show for his 11 full seasons @ man utd.

elampiro:
[b]More fact coming out. How can Rooney play as a striker and got involved more in passing the ball all season than the wingers and defenders. Rooney passed the ball very 1.7 minutes which is 53 passes per 90 minutes. JS Park, a winger and midfielder took passed the ball every 1.9 minutes. Chicharito passed the ball every 3.7 minutes which equaled to only 24 passes per game.
How often United players pass the ball 2011/2012.
Rooney's minutes per pass is 1.7= Converted to 53 passes per 90 minutes.
Rooney 1.7=========53
Chicharito 3.7 ======24
Welbeck= 2.7 =======32
JS Park 1.9 ========47
Young 2.1= ========42
Nani 2=========== 44
Ferdinand== =======45
Vidic ============44
Valencia 1.8== ======51
Jones 1.8========= 48
Smalling 2.2======= 40
Owen 4= 2=========22
Fabio 2========== 44
Evans ===========52
Vidic============44
Evra=============48
Berbatov= 2.2====== 41
I said this before, if Rooney played as a top 9 and was part of the build up play to the extent described above by these stats, then Rooney is an alien for doing that all season. Any logical being would know this superstar was played in the hole. A striker cannot have more passes than wingers. How many evidences now point to this fact that Rooney was in the hole behind the striker? [/b]

this is desperate even from you.
when all statistics have shown rooney was a striker in 11/12, you are counting the number of passes.

opta had it that rooney played in a 4-4-2. opta aren't an edo stats company. they know the difference between 4-4-2 & 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1.

the few games rooney played in the hole were noted. the only game rooney played as a lone striker(city away) was noted.

man utd played 4-4-2 formation 31 times that season & that makes rooney one of the 2-striker formation that season.

Which yeye Chicha is a box player? So one striker is meant to be in the box and the other in midfield making 53 passes per game more than the wingers? What kinf of arrangement is that? hahahahaha

coogar:


this is desperate even from you.
when all statistics have shown rooney was a striker in 11/12, you are counting the number of passes.

opta had it that rooney played in a 4-4-2. opta aren't an edo stats company. they know the difference between 4-4-2 & 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1.

the few games rooney played in the hole were noted. the only game rooney played as a lone striker(city away) was noted.

man utd played 4-4-2 formation 31 times that season & that makes rooney one of the 2-striker formation that season.

You and I agreed that OPTA's formation can not fully be relied on when discussing formation used by teams. Have you forgorten already?

Look you and opta: You said Rooney played as a lone striker in 2009. OPTA says he paired with Berbatov.



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Chelsea 3-3 Manchester Unitedl
February 5, 2012

An exciting game featuring a classic Manchester United comeback.

Andre Villas-Boas was without Ashley Cole and John Terry, so had to field Jose Bosingwa at left-back and give a debut to Gary Cahill in the centre of defence. Frank Lampard and Ramires were also both out, so Florent Malouda came into the side with Chelsea changing formation.

Sir Alex Ferguson picked the expected side in a 4-4-1-1 shape. Chris Smalling had picked up an injury the day before, otherwise his promising partnership with Jonny Evans might have been retained at the back.

- Zonal Marking.

I have many charts as the above with match report to complement. Zonal Marking stated matches after matches that Rooney played behind Chicharito or Welbeck in 4-4-1-1. Although there were a few other matches with some other formations like the 4-5-1 against City when we lost 1-0 from Company's goal.

That again corroboarated my argument since I joined this thread that Rooney only played 9 when Chicharito, Welbecka and Berbatov were not involved and those matches were few. Then again the formation changed to either 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 with Park or Giggs behind Rooney when it's 4-5-1.

Even in the second half against City, SAF reverted to 4-4-1-1.

Against City when we started with 4-5-1 with JS Prk behind Rooney. Later SAF went to his USUAL formation.......

........
Manchester City 1-0 Manchester United
May 1, 2012

First subs

First, Ferguson went for the obvious move – Park off, Danny Welbeck on upfront, and United moving to their usual 4-4-1-1. Rooney dropped deeper to become the number ten, and now Kompany and Lescott couldn’t move up towards Rooney and still keep a spare man behind, as they had Welbeck to deal with. Instead, Gareth Barry dropped onto Rooney and City retained 2 v 1 against Welbeck.

This wasn’t ideal for City, though – Barry was playing very deep and letting United have control of the midfield. Therefore, Mancini responded by introducing Nigel De Jong for Tevez, and City moved to more of a 4-5-1 system, with De Jong as a holding player on Rooney.

Second subs

Ferguson’s next move was Antonio Valencia for Scholes, with Nani switching to the left and Giggs into the middle. Valencia played in his usual right-wing position.

Mancini was obviously nervous about the threat of Valencia, and went to great lengths to make his defence more secure down that side. Micah Richards replaced David Silva and became the right-sided centre-back, which meant Kompany shuffling across slightly, Lescott becoming a left-centre-back/left-back, and Clichy becoming a left-back/left-wing-back. Clichy stuck tight to Valencia, and Lescott offered support behind.

Third subs

Finally, Ferguson made a straight swap – Ashley Young on for Nani down the left.

Mancini didn’t respond to this until stoppage time – but then, he saw Nasri was slow retreating from an attack, leaving Young in space to pick up the ball. Therefore, Nasri was withdrawn and James Milner protected Zabaleta for the final few minutes.

Each time, Ferguson tried to get a player into space – then Mancini responded by shutting down the space. Since City didn’t concede a single shot on target, even with United trailing for 45 minutes, Mancini’s improvisation deserve praise.

Conclusion

United might not have lost if they’d defended that corner better – but their system still wouldn’t have done the intended job. Park didn’t take Toure out of the game, while Giggs’ narrowness meant Zabaleta and Nasri were free to create overloads down the flank.

This might have been a very different game to the 1-6, but both matches were about City creating situations of numerical superiority in United’s full-back positions.

So you guys are not tired yet?. This is serious!

Barcelona 3-1 Manchester United: Barcelona are European Champions
May 29, 2011

The starting line-ups
Goals from each of Barcelona’s front three gave Pep Guardiola’s side victory at Wembley.

Sir Alex Ferguson named his recent ‘big game’ XI – which meant Javier Hernandez upfront with Wayne Rooney behind, and Ryan Giggs and Michael Carrick in the centre of midfield. The biggest surprise was Dimitar Berbatov not even being on the bench

....... Hernandez starts

The key decision before the game was whether Hernandez would play upfront, or be dropped in favour of another midfielder. The choice to play him was an attacking move from Ferguson, but the inevitable knock-on effect was that Carrick and Giggs were overwhelmed in the centre of midfield. Wayne Rooney was given the job of tracking Sergio Busquets – a difficult task considering Rooney wanted to be in space when United won the ball.

slimghost:
So you guys are not tired yet?. This is serious!

it is like u r new to dis thread ,dia argument no d ever end ,after Rooney na Jones ...carry on lads!!

every month, the same arguments about where Rooney played in 2011 , the same zonal marking charts , the same opta/whoscored ratings.. you even go to the extent of copying and pasting the exact replies you used the last month.. Coogar and Elampiro we'll be expecting this same argument next month.

leggo:
every month, the same arguments about where Rooney played in 2011 , the same zonal marking charts , the same opta/whoscored ratings.. you even go to the extent of copying and pasting the exact replies you used the last month.. Coogar and Elampiro we'll be expecting this same argument next month.

rotflol...

leggo:
every month, the same arguments about where Rooney played in 2011 , the same zonal marking charts , the same opta/whoscored ratings.. you even go to the extent of copying and pasting the exact replies you used the last month.. Coogar and Elampiro we'll be expecting this same argument next month.

OGIDIGBEN!!! lmao

afrodoc2:

OGIDIGBEN!!! lmao

I'm crying now and laughing hard...

afrodoc2:

OGIDIGBEN!!! lmao

I'm crying now and laughing hard...

leggo:
every month, the same arguments about where Rooney played in 2011 , the same zonal marking charts , the same opta/whoscored ratings.. you even go to the extent of copying and pasting the exact replies you used the last month.. Coogar and Elampiro we'll be expecting this same argument next month.

are we really in for Gaitan? how many seasons after

abeg make we sign the pawaful DM first, na that one dey most important.

elampiro:
Which yeye Chicha is a box player? So one striker is meant to be in the box and the other in midfield making 53 passes per game more than the wingers? What kinf of arrangement is that? hahahahaha

chicharito is a box player.
he's a poacher, he's never been used as a target man. he always needs to feed off another striker. his strength is in the box, not outside of it.

You and I agreed that OPTA's formation can not fully be relied on when discussing formation used by teams. Have you forgorten already?

opta can always be relied on.
they don't only guess formation, they record where every pass in the game was received & delivered. opta stats have the most accurate football stats in the world.

Look you and opta: You said Rooney played as a lone striker in 2009. OPTA says he paired with Berbatov.

they played 4-4-2.
berbatov's lack of pace was the reason he was deployed as a target man. he takes the ball with the back to his goal, wait for the runners to run past him & he releases the pass ahead of them.

a target man is a striker, he's not in the hole.

Chelsea 3-3 Manchester Unitedl
February 5, 2012

An exciting game featuring a classic Manchester United comeback.

Andre Villas-Boas was without Ashley Cole and John Terry, so had to field Jose Bosingwa at left-back and give a debut to Gary Cahill in the centre of defence. Frank Lampard and Ramires were also both out, so Florent Malouda came into the side with Chelsea changing formation.

Sir Alex Ferguson picked the expected side in a 4-4-1-1 shape. Chris Smalling had picked up an injury the day before, otherwise his promising partnership with Jonny Evans might have been retained at the back.

- Zonal Marking.

this is a fraudulent article.
rooney & welbeck started as strikers in this game. united went with a classic 4-4-2 formation.

then the other articles you dug out in your last desperate move to scrape the barrel are irrelevant. the CL final against barcelona was in 10/11 season. the season we are discussing is 11/12.

OPTA already acknowledged that the other article(manchester derby) was a 4-5-1 game. you are a fraudulent poster. we said united played 4-4-2 formation 31 times. it means there were 7 other games united didn't play the 4-4-2 formation.

what you are doing here is lifting articles of the games where it was already noted we didn't play 4-4-2 to convince others that we actually did. what has city's game in manchester derby gotta do with this argument? did OPTA dispute with you that united played 4-4-2 in that game?

elampawa, give up! your lies got exposed!

sinizia:


I ignored the rest of your rants so i can focus on this issue. You mean Benteke, Suarez, Messi, Ibrahimovic, Aguero has nothing in common with Rooney? Kai. Whoever did you this thing is heartless. He or she took away every grey matter in your cranium.

Can you explain yourself better please.

Rooney, Ibrahimovic, Falcao have all won the world best striker. That was my post. They can earn 300k/week.

elampiro:

Can you explain yourself better please.

Rooney, Ibrahimovic, Falcao have all won the world best striker. That was my post. They can earn 300k/week.

when did rooney win best striker? when was he awarded the contract he got? why don't you go and give cambiasso a £300k/week contract cos he won champions league in 2010.

Hahahahaha they have exhausted their excuses.

Now they say Chicha is a poacher. Is Berbatov also a poacher. Is Welbeck also a poacher?

Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box
Rooney............... 84.........................73
Chicharito........... 6...........................41
Welbeck............. 14......................... 66
Berbatov............. 1...........................15


Yori Yori.

elampiro:
Hahahahaha they have exhausted their excuses.

Now they say Chicha is a poacher. Is Berbatov also a poacher. Is Welbeck also a poacher?

Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box
Rooney............... 84.........................73
Chicharito........... 6...........................41
Welbeck............. 14......................... 66
Berbatov............. 1...........................15

Yori Yori.

this is idiocy at its very best....
welbeck - 2018 mins
chicharito - 1400 mins
berbatov - 500 mins.

but by abracadabra, elampawa expects berbatov who had 500 mins in the league to match rooney.

this is why we always tell you that you are a stark illiterate with numbers.

coogar:


rooney was 16-18 @everton. it would be stupïd for anyone to think rooney would be bought for his record at that age. he was bought for the potential he might become especially after lighting up EURO 2004 where he scored 4 goals in 4 games.

sadly rooney never lived up to that potential!

So we paid 25 million for a player who scored 15 goals in two seasons and you think he was bought for his goal scoring prowess?

Hary Kane must be bought for 150 million then.

coogar:

he played about 10 league games as a top striker and he scored only 1 goal - it's a fücking disgrace!

Torres, Ba, Eto'o played week in week out for the whole of 2013 without scoring an away goal.

coogar:


when did rooney win best striker? when was he awarded the contract he got? why don't you go and give cambiasso a £300k/week contract cos he won champions league in 2010.

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I swear, i didn't even know how to reply that post. When i read it i was like; "Rooney win best striker? When? How? Why? For what? Who is the Idíot that dashed him the title? Which planet did that award take place?"

Elampiro, i compared Rooney with those people you mentioned because they are all "top" strikers not just mediocre ones like Shola Ameobi, while Ozil you brought into the mix is not a striker. He has never striked before. Stop confusing yourself.

leggo:
every month, the same arguments about where Rooney played in 2011 , the same zonal marking charts , the same opta/whoscored ratings.. you even go to the extent of copying and pasting the exact replies you used the last month.. Coogar and Elampiro we'll be expecting this same argument next month.

Have you ever had an album on auto replay?

elampiro:

So we paid 25 million for a player who scored 15 goals in two seasons and you think he was bought for his goal scoring prowess?

yes he was bought for the potential he had at 18. rooney was the most gifted young player in europe as at 2004.

Hary Kane must be bought for 150 million then.

so which senior tournament has harry kane conquered like rooney did? when rooney went to euro-2004, he destroyed defenders of several tough european countries.

articles like this were the order of the day back then

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/jun/23/euro2004.football

which media house has ever compared harry kane to pele?

Torres, Ba, Eto'o played week in week out for the whole of 2013 without scoring an away goal.

so you agree rooney is useless then?

coogar:



this is desperate even from you.
when all statistics have shown rooney was a striker in 11/12, you are counting the number of passes.

opta had it that rooney played in a 4-4-2. opta aren't an edo stats company. they know the difference between 4-4-2 & 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1.

the few games rooney played in the hole were noted. the only game rooney played as a lone striker(city away) was noted.

man utd played 4-4-2 formation 31 times that season & that makes rooney one of the 2-striker formation that season.

Elampawa makes it look like it's our fault or anybody's fault that Rooney in a "flat" 4-4-2 formation chose to concentrate on passing or dropping back instead of scoring goals. Is it our fault that Rooney refuse to score goals and decided to have the most passes? Ferguson played him there to get the goals, that he chose to keep getting the highest number of passes in Man Utd is not our business!!

leggo:
every month, the same arguments about where Rooney played in 2011 , the same zonal marking charts , the same opta/whoscored ratings.. you even go to the extent of copying and pasting the exact replies you used the last month.. Coogar and Elampiro we'll be expecting this same argument next month.

Buwahahahahah..

sinizia:


Elampawa makes it look like it's our fault or anybody's fault that Rooney in a "flat" 4-4-2 formation chose to concentrate on passing or dropping back instead of scoring goals. Is it our fault that Rooney refuse to score goals and decided to have the most passes? Ferguson played him there to get the goals, that he chose to keep getting the highest number of passes in Man Utd is not our business!!

that is what happens when a striker is useless. why do you think he always gets frustrated in many games? he knows he's not as good as he wants to be so he throws his toys out of the pram.

rooney is more successful at shouting at the referee than finding the back of the net. if i have had 13 seasons as a striker in the premier league with about 20 awoof penalties in the mix, i would have scored 250 goals by now.

coogar:


when did rooney win best striker? when was he awarded the contract he got? why don't you go and give cambiasso a £300k/week contract cos he won champions league in 2010.

This is illogical.

Did this Cambiasso win the best striker in Ballon D'or?

Rooney was shortchanged by Man United in 2010. City were ready to pay 300k but he took 250k out of loyalty. However, when Chelsea came knocking the second time his agent decided it was 300k they took what was their market value.

Any player who has won the best striker is entitled to 300k. If he is not taking it, it's just out of pity for the club.

sinizia:


Elampawa makes it look like it's our fault or anybody's fault that Rooney in a "flat" 4-4-2 formation chose to concentrate on passing or dropping back instead of scoring goals. Is it our fault that Rooney refuse to score goals and decided to have the most passes? Ferguson played him there to get the goals, that he chose to keep getting the highest number of passes in Man Utd is not our business!!

Rooney did not play in 4-4-2. He played in 4-4-1-1.

All the stats have confirmed this. If you have chosen to be brainwashed and ingnorant, that is your toro.

How do you mean Rooney refused to score goal? Rooney scored 27 goals that season, he made 53 passes per 90 minutes, he took virtually all the shots from outside of the box. Are you an ignoramus?

elampiro:

This is illogical.
Did this Cambiasso win the best striker in Ballon D'or?

so when did rooney win the best striker in ballon d'or?

Rooney was shortchanged by Man United in 2010. City were ready to pay 300k but he took 250k out of loyalty. However, when Chelsea came knocking the second time his agent decided it was 300k they took what was their market value.

Any player who has won the best striker is entitled to 300k. If he is not taking it, it's just out of pity for the club.

rooney is a fraud!
nothing you say here would change that fact. rooney has only scored 1 league goal away from home since march 2014.

rooney is super-useless!
if he has any fear of God in him, he should return 80% of his wages since 2014 back to woodward. even falcao, RVP, scored more than 1 league goal away from home.

elampiro:

Rooney did not play in 4-4-2. He played in 4-4-1-1.
All the stats have confirmed this. If you have chosen to be brainwashed and ingnorant, that is your toro.
How do you mean Rooney refused to score goal? Rooney scored 27 goals that season, he made 53 passes per 90 minutes, he took virtually all the shots from outside of the box. Are you an ignoramus?

we believe in opta, not in you.
opta said rooney was used only 2 times in a 4-4-1-1 formation. your ekpoma analysis is comical.

elampiro:


Rooney did not play in 4-4-2. He played in 4-4-1-1.

All the stats have confirmed this. If you have chosen to be brainwashed and ingnorant, that is your toro.

How do you mean Rooney refused to score goal? Rooney scored 27 goals that season, he made 53 passes per 90 minutes, he took virtually all the shots from outside of the box. Are you an ignoramus?

Too bad that in 13 seasons, the over-paid striker only passed the 20-goal margin twice. A shame for a £300K-a-week over-hyped man!!

And no, it's only your imaginary stats that proved that Rooney didn't play in a 4-4-2 formation. The pic Coogar attached spoke otherwise. Even at that, Messi played on the wing this season and still out-scored Suarez. Rooney is a fraud!! He has no excuses!!

coogar:


that is what happens when a striker is useless. why do you think he always gets frustrated in many games? he knows he's not as good as he wants to be so he throws his toys out of the pram.

rooney is more successful at shouting at the referee than finding the back of the net. if i have had 13 seasons as a striker in the premier league with about 20 awoof penalties in the mix, i would have scored 250 goals by now.

And this is the fraud Elampawa is quick to list his total number of goals while shamelessly hiding the fact it took him 13 good season to achieve it.

coogar:


so when did rooney win the best striker in ballon d'or?
.

Do you mean he didnt win? I dont get you. Everyone knows he won it.

coogar:



rooney is a fraud!
nothing you say here would change that fact. rooney has only scored 1 league goal away from home since march 2014.

rooney is super-useless!
if he has any fear of God in him, he should return 80% of his wages since 2014 back to woodward. even falcao, RVP, scored more than 1 league goal away from home.

.[/quote]

Manchester United ought to pay Rooney 500k/week.

coogar:

we believe in opta, not in you.
opta said rooney was used only 2 times in a 4-4-1-1 formation. your ekpoma analysis is comical.

Your opta that saw Ozil in hole against Bayern last year, instead of the wing he played? They saw Kagawa in the hole too instead of wing? Ukwu!!!

Zonal Marking is a zillion times more reliable than opta in term of tactics. Whoscored/opta are not a tactics website.

Lastly, I am not from Ekpoma. ITK. Ntor!

As for you, someone in Owo is more knowledgeable than you in football matters. This is not computer game.