coogar:

he will score 20 goals for arsenal!
i know & i'm sure welbeck is better than giroud.

Better than Giroud? I'm not sure he's shown that level of quality yet. . . .I just hope Wenger doesn't even dream of playing him wide. Just put him in the middle and make him run.

missing out on Vidal still hurts mehn... I can't help but imagine what magnitude of calamity Chelshit & Shitty just evaded

coogar:

RVP is still as good as it gets, his movement to take mata's pass against burnley was top draw. the goalie was lucky to block his shot. he needs time to get past the rustiness. his lack of preseason is why he looks a bit dodgy.



we all saw him at the world cup, he didn't look tired or spent. he scored against spain & brazil. that's as good as it gets. who else does that at his age? RVP's age is a farce - drogba was almost 33 when he won the golden boot for chelsea in 2010.


lest i forget, this is for the folks who think united's wage/turnover ratio would hit 90% this year. this is our ins/outs.....

Manchester United
Players in: Luke Shaw (Southampton, £30m), Ander Herrera (Athletic Bilbao, £28.8m), Vanja Milinkovic (FK Vojvodina, undisclosed). Ángel di María (Real Madrid, £59.7m), Marcos Rojo (Sporting Lisbon, £16m), Daley Blind (Ajax, £14m), Radamel Falcao (Monaco, loan).

Players out: Rio Ferdinand (QPR, free), Nemanja Vidic (Internazionale, free), Ryan Giggs (retired), Alexander Büttner (Dynamo Moscow, £4.4m), Federico Macheda (Cardiff, free), Vanja Milinkovic (FK Vojvodina, loan), Patrice Evra (Juventus, initial £1.2m), Bebé (Benfica, £2.4m), Nani (Sporting Lisbon, loan), Wilfried Zaha (Crystal Palace, loan), Jack Barmby (Leicester, free), Shinji Kagawa (Borussia Dortmund, undisclosed), Javier Hernández (Real Madrid, loan), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal, undisclosed), Tom Lawrence (Leicester, undisclosed).

Salary of players sold or retired this window = £607, 000. Salary of players loaned (excluding Nani) = £85,000.
Total salary of players out is £692,000 excluding Nani.

Players out:
Rio Ferdinand £100,000 retired

Nemanja Vidic £120,000 retired

Ryan Giggs £75,000 retired

Patrice Evra £90,000 sold

Shinji Kagawa £80,000 sold

Danny Welbeck £75,000 sold

Javier Hernández £75,000 loan (sale option next year)

Zaha £35,000 sold

Alexander Büttner £15,000 sold

Federico Macheda £6,000 sold

Bebé £12,000 sold

Tom Lawrence £5,000 sold

Nani £90,000 loan (salary paid by United)

Kean £5000 loan

Powell £5,000 loan
..................

Anderson £60,000 , Fellaini £75,000 , Young £120,000, are players we can still off load in January to finance midfield buys.

Cleverley request for transfer was submitted pretty late yesterday but before cut off. His salary is £40,000.

Overall, Man United might still offload £255,000 between now and January.


Who said we aren't within our salary limits?

elampiro:


Salary of players sold or retired this window = £607, 000. Salary of players loaned (excluding Nani) = £85,000.
Total salary of players out is £692,000 excluding Nani.

Players out:
Rio Ferdinand £100,000 retired

Nemanja Vidic £120,000 retired

Ryan Giggs £75,000 retired

Patrice Evra £90,000 sold

Shinji Kagawa £80,000 sold

Danny Welbeck £75,000 sold

Javier Hernández £75,000 loan (sale option next year)

Zaha £35,000 sold

Alexander Büttner £15,000 sold

Federico Macheda £6,000 sold

Bebé £12,000 sold

Tom Lawrence £5,000 sold

Nani £90,000 loan (salary paid by United)

Kean £5000 loan

Powell £5,000 loan
..................

Anderson £60,000 , Fellaini £75,000 , Young £120,000, are players we can still off load in January to finance midfield buys.

Cleverley request for transfer was submitted pretty late yesterday but before cut off. His salary is £40,000.

Overall, Man United might still offload £255,000 between now and January.

Who said we aren't within our salary limits?

donkeykanu, nihilist & montelik.

debosky:
Better than Giroud? I'm not sure he's shown that level of quality yet. . . .I just hope Wenger doesn't even dream of playing him wide. Just put him in the middle and make him run.

just play him in the centre forward position. welbeck will run his bollocks off for you & hassle the opposition. his finishing needs work but then giroud is worse off.

debosky:

Better than Giroud? I'm not sure he's shown that level of quality yet. . . .I just hope Wenger doesn't even dream of playing him wide. Just put him in the middle and make him run.

Best defensive CF

BREAKING : Tom Cleverley's one year loan move to Aston Villa from Manchester United has been approved by the Premier League

im baffled as to how bebe can sell for about twice what we got for Evra if those figures are accurate....

and Federico Macheda.....still at the club till now? doing what??

Good luck to #mufc midfielder Tom Cleverley as he embarks on a season-long loan with @AVFCOfficial.

elampiro:


Salary of players sold or retired this window = £607, 000. Salary of players loaned (excluding Nani) = £85,000.
Total salary of players out is £692,000 excluding Nani.

Players out:
Rio Ferdinand £100,000 retired

Nemanja Vidic £120,000 retired

Ryan Giggs £75,000 retired

Patrice Evra £90,000 sold

Shinji Kagawa £80,000 sold

Danny Welbeck £75,000 sold

Javier Hernández £75,000 loan (sale option next year)

Zaha £35,000 sold

Alexander Büttner £15,000 sold

Federico Macheda £6,000 sold

Bebé £12,000 sold

Tom Lawrence £5,000 sold

Nani £90,000 loan (salary paid by United)

Kean £5000 loan

Powell £5,000 loan
..................

Anderson £60,000 , Fellaini £75,000 , Young £120,000, are players we can still off load in January to finance midfield buys.

Cleverley request for transfer was submitted pretty late yesterday but before cut off. His salary is £40,000.

Overall, Man United might still offload £255,000 between now and January.


Who said we aren't within our salary limits?

First theses figures are wrong Rio, who was on a one year rolling contract was not on 100k. Zaha on 35k is a joke, also we are contributing to his wages as he is on loan.

then consider the wages we handed out this window, agent fees, not to mention signing bonuses that would have been necessary (no European footy). new bigger contracts for Rooney and RVP , the parachute payment to Moyes, as well as the expected drop in revenue, they will have to do some magic accounting to keep the ratio below 60%.

Darren Fletcher has revealed the constant “mental challenge” of life under new manager Louis van Gaal.

“We have to master it and we have to play better and win individual battles, there are other things that come in to it apart from the system. I’m confident we’ll put things right if we keep believing in ourselves and the manager.

“He has been straight with the players and we appreciate that. It’s mentally challenging but that’s always been the case. It’s mentally challenging playing for a club of this size. The players are well used to that.

“As players learning a new system and developing new ideas, you know it’s going to make you a better player in the long term.

“It’s about training, videos, constant learning and looking over every match. We’re putting a lot of effort in and there has been improvement. You need to think about it more. We get that, but we have always had that. Other managers have spoken about it, too, maybe just not in public.

“Sir Alex Ferguson used to tell us to use our brain, and would use Paul Scholes as an example. So it’s not something we’re averse to. It’s something that isn’t new to us, the new manager has just spoken of it publicly to make us aware of it.”

[Source: Mirror]

montelik:

First theses figures are wrong Rio, who was on a one year rolling contract was not on 100k. Zaha on 35k is a joke, also we are contributing to his wages as he is on loan.

then consider the wages we handed out this window, agent fees, not to mention signing bonuses that would have been necessary (no European footy). new bigger contracts for Rooney and RVP , the parachute payment to Moyes, as well as the expected drop in revenue, they will have to do some magic accounting to keep the ratio below 60%.

* Can I see your own figures? I quoted as at last season.

* Let's also have the total of the out salaries vs the ins. We aren't talking about signings. We only are talking about our salary limits because we are being told that Man United will die of paying salaries (I read it from a blog). In a nutshell, how much salary are we paying more than we did as at end of last season?

* As for the signings, did we exceed a net of the budgeted £200m? If not hold your peace.

^^So they one needs to tell him to use his brain first abi?

Even after being told repeatedly since the days of SAF (bar moyes era ), the mofo is still finding it difficult to use his brain. smh.

montelik:

First theses figures are wrong Rio, who was on a one year rolling contract was not on 100k. Zaha on 35k is a joke,

* Zaha £35k/week
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jan/23/wilfried-zaha-manchester-united

He was on £15k at Palace before we signed him.

* As for Rio, that's what my research showed me.

Check dis out

...If 4-3-3 is gonna be our default formation ... then this will be our primary starting 11

montelik:
First theses figures are wrong Rio, who was on a one year rolling contract was not on 100k. Zaha on 35k is a joke, also we are contributing to his wages as he is on loan.

biko, rio being on rolling contract means his contract got renewed every year, if he was still here, we would be paying him £100k/week. zaha is on loan to crystal palace, he's palace's problem, not us. the 2 players we have on loan & are our responsibility are nani & zaha. nani because he served as a makeweight for the rojo signing & falcao because we have the option to make his deal permanent. every other player on loan is not our responsibility.

then consider the wages we handed out this window, agent fees, not to mention signing bonuses that would have been necessary (no European footy).

the wages we handed out have been outweighed by the wages we got rid of. do the math from the ins & outs. besides, the TV money we got this season is much more than that of last season. the prize-money would take care of bonuses, agent fees, etc.

new bigger contracts for Rooney and RVP , the parachute payment to Moyes, as well as the expected drop in revenue, they will have to do some magic accounting to keep the ratio below 60%.

RVP's contract hasn't moved an inch. he's been collecting £250k/week since 2012. rooney's wages is £250/week & united gives him £50k/week for anything they make on his image rights. with rooney being rooney & now the captain of his club & country, rooney is potentially our slave for the rest of his contract.


moyes parachute payment is a farce. if he was here, he would be getting paid as well, won't he? if he was here we wouldn't have gotten falcao & di maria. on those 2 players alone, hundreds of thousands of shirts would be selling from columbia to argentina & to all other parts of the world.


we are very very healthy!
if i should list all our primary, secondary & tertiary sponsors on this page, you would be dazed. i won't be surprised the gas station in your area sponsors united. ed woodward is a genius when it comes to selling the brand to the blind, deaf & dumb. the money is no issue, you should worry about the performance.

coogar:

biko, rio being on rolling contract means his contract got renewed every year, if he was still here, we would be paying him £100k/week. zaha is on loan to crystal palace, he's palace's problem, not us. the 2 players we have on loan & are our responsibility are nani & zaha. nani because he served as a makeweight for the rojo signing & falcao because we have the option to make his deal permanent. every other player on loan is not our responsibility.



the wages we handed out have been outweighed by the wages we got rid of. do the math from the ins & outs. besides, the TV money we got this season is much more than that of last season. the prize-money would take care of bonuses, agent fees, etc.



RVP's contract hasn't moved an inch. he's been collecting £250k/week since 2012. rooney's wages is £250/week & united gives him £50k/week for anything they make on his image rights. with rooney being rooney & now the captain of his club & country, rooney is potentially our slave for the rest of his contract.


moyes parachute payment is a farce. if he was here, he would be getting paid as well, won't he? if he was here we wouldn't have gotten falcao & di maria. on those 2 players alone, hundreds of thousands of shirts would be selling from columbia to argentina & to all other parts of the world.


we are very very healthy!
if i should list all our primary, secondary & tertiary sponsors on this page, you would be dazed. i won't be surprised the gas station in your area sponsors united. ed woodward is a genius when it comes to selling the brand to the blind, deaf & dumb. the money is no issue, you should worry about the performance.

Jesus !! lwkmd .... Coogar you dey always geh mouth die

NORWAY defender Vegard Forren has added some much needed spice to England's upcoming friendly, by
branding the Manchester United and
national captain Wayne Rooney - "a bit chubby."

Coogar come and see

You cant start van Persie and Falcao at the same time. Both will cancel out each other. Read me?

Manchester United have emerged as the biggest-
spending club of the summer, leaving the rest of
football's giants trailing in their wake when it
comes to investment.
Having recognised the need to overhaul a squad
which finished a lowly seventh in the Premier
League last season, Louis van Gaal invested €200
million to bring Angel Di Maria, Marcos Rojo, Ander
Herrera, Luke Shaw, Daley Blind and Radamel
Falcao (on a loan deal) to the club.
Barcelona are second to United when it comes to
spending after splashing the cash on Luis Suarez
and Co.
The Blaugrana have had a busy close season,
signing Claudio Bravo and Marc-Andre ter Stegen in
goal, Jeremy Mathieu, Douglas and Thomas
Vermaelen in defence, Ivan Rakitic in midfield and
the Uruguayan up front.
Their total summer spending is €174.8 million,
placing them just ahead of Liverpool . The Reds got
a big €88m pay-off from the sale of Suarez and
their return to the Champions League and have
been ambitious throughout the summer.
Adam Lallana, Dejan Lovren and Rickie Lambert all
joined from Southampton, Lazar Markovic was a
big-money acquisition from Benfica and Emre Can
arrived from Bayer Leverkusen, all before the €20m
signing of Mario Balotelli.
Their spree totalled €168.6m, comfortably putting
them second in Premier League spending behind
United.
Real Madrid are fourth in the list after spending
€136.4m. The Spanish giants have had a
reasonably busy summer, signing Keylor Navas,
Toni Kroos and James Rodriguez - the latter for a
whopping €80m - as well as Javier Hernandez on
loan.
Hot on their heels are city rivals Atletico Madrid. The
Liga champions lost key members of their squad
this summer but have been ambitious in the
market, signing Mario Mandzukic, Antoine
Griezmann, Alessio Cerci and more for a combined
€123.7m.
One of the teams to have raided the Vicente
Calderon for new talent was Chelsea , who signed
Diego Costa and Filipe Luis from the Spanish
capital, along with Cesc Fabregas from Barcelona
and Loic Remy from QPR to take their summer
spending to €118.8m.
Staying in London, Arsenal are sixth after buying
the likes of Alexis Sanchez, Calum Chambers,
Mathieu Debuchy, David Ospina and, at the last
minute, Danny Welbeck for just over a total of
€108m.
Southampton have seen many players leave this
summer, but have been active themselves by
signing Dusan Tadic, Shane Long, Graziano Pelle,
Toby Alderweireld, Sadio Mane and more for more
than €85m, but they are the only side in our table
to have recorded a profit thanks to their sales.
Manchester City have had their spending curtailed
by Financial Fair Play but have still splashed out
€72.9m on new players, the majority of it going on
Eliaquim Mangala and Fernando from Porto.
The final name in the top 10 is Roma , who spent
big on Juan Iturbe and Kostas Manolas among
others to take their total over the €58m mark - the
highest by far in Italy.
Interestingly, all but one of the top 10 are English
and Spanish sides, with Germany's Borussia
Dortmund the 11th highest spenders, just ahead of
Bayern Munich.
*Numbers via Transfermarkt.

Spy360: You cant start van Persie and Falcao at the same time. Both will cancel out each other. Read me?

Who told uuu

Spy360: You cant start van Persie and Falcao at the same time. Both will cancel out each other. Read me?

van persie is a good passer of the ball, if he drops deep, falcao would enjoy playing with him. the 2 of them can form a deadly partnership.

Odunharry: NORWAY defender Vegard Forren has added some much needed spice to England's upcoming friendly, by
branding the Manchester United and
national captain Wayne Rooney - "a bit chubby."
Coogar come and see

there's no lie in what he said - rooney is too fat to be a footballer. he should consider traditional wrestling.


lest i forget, where's elfenomeno1? ever since his champions league quality arsenal got our danny welbeck & we got falcao, the dude has been relatively quiet here. our 5th best striker is arsenal's top striker.

The same genius that wanted to turn us into the Harlem globetrotters just to cover the shortfall of missing out on Europe, thank God both Moyes and LVG put their foot down. You can chose to believe the rosy reports. I will take a more sceptical stance that actually deals with the less rosy details e.g

After David Moyes' dismal reign as manager at Old Trafford last term the club find themselves without European football for the first time since 1995, and a prospectus released by the club highlights the dangers of failing to re-establish themselves in the top four at the first time of asking.

The document also revealed that the highly-publicised 10-year kit deal with adidas is dependent on results and will drop 30 per cent from £75million to £52.5m if the club fail to qualify for the Champions League in two consecutive seasons.

or this

United's combined broadcasting and matchday revenue from Europe has fallen in the last three years from £59.7m in 2011 to £38.9m in 2013.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9401260/manchester-united-owners-warn-louis-van-gaal-that-failure-to-qualify-for-europe-will-be-disastrous#

There are numerous other pitfalls like these that are either ignored or glossed over. Woodward announces a big figure, impressive % increases and everyone goes gaga, but take a critical look at the books and dig deep into the fine print of official correspondence (the ones they dare not lie in or fail to disclose true positions) and you start seeing it isn't quite as it initially looked.

Don't worry by the time the detailed prospectus for the Glazer's new £80m share sale proceed comes out, you will see when they give the true position of affairs to NYSE or they run somewhere else that doesn't have stringent standards to make the offer.

Are we broke? Far from it. Are we rich? Yes. Can we afford a spending splurge? To a degree, but the Glazers have never and will never put a penny from their pocket as a direct investment in the club, so spending like we have a sugar daddy is not advisable.

http://www.stretford-end.com/2014/09/united-failed-help-tom-cleverley-fulfil-potential/?utm_source=newsnow&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=se_sep14

Cleverley's fall explained in detail to perfection

Rvp says all rumours of him needing a knee surgery are nonsense

See wahala
How do u play falcao, rooney and rvp in a 433.

Why all the gloom?
The focus should be on the performance on the field as that will guarantee regular flow of income.
Even with these new players we still have the 2nd lowest wage bill to turnover ratio out of the big teams in England.
We are still going to be below 60 percent, last year we were at about 50 percent but when you consider Everton at 78 percent,
Liverpool at 65 percent, Chelsea at 70 percent, Man City at 86 percent,Spurs at 65 percent then there is no cause for undue alarm.

Yes we added some big name signings this year but these are the salaries that were in our books last season that are no longer there

Rio Ferdinand 90k

Nemanja Vidic 90k or more

Patrice Evra 90k

Shinji Kagawa 80k

Ryan Giggs 75k

Tom Cleverly 40K

Wilfried Zaha 35k

Alex Buttner 15k

Welbeck 70k or thereabouts

Our wage bill for this season is just slightly more than for last season but at the same time turnover has increased also......the issue now is for the results on the pitch to improve too.

PietroRico: Rvp says all rumours of him needing a knee surgery are nonsense

See wahala
How do u play falcao, rooney and rvp in a 433.

One of RVP,Rooney or Mata drops to the bench. Likely going to be RVP initially but if Mata starts slacking nothing stops LVG from dropping him and playing Rooney behind RVP and Falcao for certain matches. We will need an all action midfield for that to happen though.
Having said all that what determines who gets dropped is the formation LVG wants to use.....or it could be the other way round u never can tell with LVG.

PietroRico: Rvp says all rumours of him needing a knee surgery are nonsense

See wahala
How do u play falcao, rooney and rvp in a 433.

* If he doesn't need a surgery then his performance is nothing to rejoice about. He falls down even before he collects a pass, as Kanu use to do in his final days of football.

* We should not use Rooney, Mata and RVP in same match again. Except if Rooney is playing in the wing. Or they have to be given a new orientation. Just look at Robben and Ribery how hard working they are.

Former Holland assistant manager Patrick Kluivert believes Daley Blind could be the missing piece of the puzzle at Manchester United.

Blind, who worked under Kluivert during their time together with the Netherlands, has agreed a four-year deal at Old Trafford.

“Daley Blind is a very intelligent player, he reads the game very well, you saw during the World Cup, he played all of the games. He’s the key man between the defence, midfield and strikers. He puts pace on the game.”

“Louis will manage to get a good balance in the team, with such great players in the squad, everyone’s got to under-estimate themselves for the team. That’s the most important thing.

“Louis has got everything sorted out. All he needs is a win and then everything will be OK.”

[Source: Talksport]

montelik: The same genius that wanted to turn us into the Harlem globetrotters just to cover the shortfall of missing out on Europe, thank God both Moyes and LVG put their foot down. You can chose to believe the rosy reports. I will take a more sceptical stance that actually deals with the less rosy details e.g
or this
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9401260/manchester-united-owners-warn-louis-van-gaal-that-failure-to-qualify-for-europe-will-be-disastrous#

that report is nonsense - woodward himself has said united missing out of europe for a couple of seasons won't mean shyte. united still sold the highest number of shirts in the PL last season even after finishing 7th. 76,000 fans coming to watch football will not suddenly reduce cos united aren't playing in europe?

relegated teams in the PL make more money than european champions except the winner is an english club.

montelik:
United's combined broadcasting and matchday revenue from Europe has fallen in the last three years from £59.7m in 2011 to £38.9m in 2013.

hahahaha - in 2011, we played in the final at wembley & that means we went all the way from the group stage playing 13 CL games. surely, the more games we play, the more money we get from TV.

1) that statistics is fraudulent
2) the loss is negligible. selling büttner, bebe & welbeck have pretty much covered the loss you are scared about.

There are numerous other pitfalls like these that are either ignored or glossed over. Woodward announces a big figure, impressive % increases and everyone goes gaga, but take a critical look at the books and dig deep into the fine print of official correspondence (the ones they dare not lie in or fail to disclose true positions) and you start seeing it isn't quite as it initially looked.

we are very ok -
if you want to dwell on the money spent & not the money taken from player departure then you are the one preaching the gloom & doom stories. so what exactly do you think would happen to money made from the players sold?

Don't worry by the time the detailed prospectus for the Glazer's new £80m share sale proceed comes out, you will see when they give the true position of affairs to NYSE or they run somewhere else that doesn't have stringent standards to make the offer.

that's teaspoonful of water in an ocean. levels don change now. we won't spend close to £150m if we are broke.

Are we broke? Far from it. Are we rich? Yes. Can we afford a spending splurge? To a degree, but the Glazers have never and will never put a penny from their pocket as a direct investment in the club, so spending like we have a sugar daddy is not advisable.

the club generates money itself - more money than most sugar daddies can actually afford. no single club in the UK has our level of turnover. actually, if you remove the magomago TV deals madrid/barca get, united are the richest in the universe in terms of turnover.

merchandise is still there, sponsors are there. we don't need the glazer money - i don't expect the glazers to spend a penny otherwise FFP will come after us like they are doing to monaco, city & chelsea.

i still wish we had gotten Vidal! Now we need to dominate teams, no matter who they are and play like we are looking for something everytime we have the ball and be disciplined when we are not with the ball.

we will have to wait and see how these guys gel on the pitch with regards to what formation oga LvG will deploy.

There is no more excuse from both the players and coach because everyone has now seen that we are buying with the intention of achieving, no player should question the clubs ambition etc.

No European soccer should also gives us some advantage. Anything less than 2nd in the league and atleat semi FA cup will be seen as underachieving.

Am looking forward to seeing LvG's formation in the next match and how these guys have been supposedly fired up with the quality of both the coach and team, because i expect that they themselves should be fired up.

NO EXCUSE!!!!!!!!

PietroRico: http://www.stretford-end.com/2014/09/united-failed-help-tom-cleverley-fulfil-potential/?utm_source=newsnow&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=se_sep14

Cleverley's fall explained in detail to perfection

Trust the english press to want to overhype one of their own. The truth and gospel truth is that all english players have become so sooooooooo so lazy. They lack focus, lacks confidence and are always in and out of form. The only 2 consistent english players for now are Sterling and Sturridge. The rest are just so lazy and lacks confidence. I dare them to go play outside the EPL......u will never see them cos their nyash go open. Cleverly is a Lazy player who has no inch of sense in his head. Good thing we got rid of him. They can cry all they want. We just removed a dead wood from the ManU squad. If only rooney too can follow suit.