Goshen360:

Seriously, am DONE with this topic IF NOT THE FACT THAT YOU MENTIONED MY I.D. Can you and I deal with this issue here step-by-step or do we create another thread to deal with this? We will explain biblical meaning of sin and ask/answer some basic questions about sin/mastubation. Let me know what you want and we delve into it. Thanks

ATMC: here is ok, d matter we r dealing wit is 'mastur.b@tion, a sin'. Nd pls lets not digress, nd lets leave any pastor out of this, talk to me...if u agree, go on with ur points, i'm all ears

Goshen360:

Let start with the definition of mastubation. What is your definition of mastubation?

ATMC: Stimulation of d sexual organ so as to produce organ...

Goshen360:

In addition to your definition of mastubation, this is from Webster dictionary online:

Definition of MAST-URBATION

Erotic stimulation especially of one's own gen-ital organs commonly resulting in orgasm and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sex-ual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sex-ual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies

Do you agree with this definition of Webster?

Goshen360: ^
So when a person does that, what is such person doing to his/her body....which is the temple of God (if born again)

If we are talking about someone not born again, NO PROBLEM o. It might be okay for the worldly people but am talking about a believer or true christian.

Joagbaje:

You tell us what you think he is doing to his body. [size=15pt]What is a man who is chewing Gum doing to his body?[/size]

You guys makes it looks as though someone is encouraging mastubation. That's the attitude Paul complain about in Rom 3:8 . No spiritual man will encourage any person to do mastubation . The. Question is . Has anyone who done it committed a sin against God? . My answer is No. But that doesnt take away the fact that it's a bad habit. [size=15pt]Pastor Christ was very clear on this, he said .the way to stop a bad habit is to replace it with a good one.[/size]

Whoever say mastubation is Cain against God is simply adding to scripture.

Goshen360: ^
So when a person does that, what is such person doing to his/her body....which is the temple of God (if born again)

If we are talking about someone not born again, NO PROBLEM o. It might be okay for the worldly people but am talking about a believer or true christian.

musKeeto: It's simple logic.
God views murder as a sin. Yet David and the rest would kill people in wars. Therefore, a sin is not the action, but the context in which the action takes place.

How do we relate this to masturbation?

Masturbating, for sexual relief, is definitely a sin, because you must 'think' about sexual thoughts. Here the actions, thoughts and contexts go hand in hand. JoAGBAJE would rather prefer to go round in circles claiming one can masturbate 'without thinking'. This is someone who claims to have never masturbated, imagine.

Eating is not a sin. Gluttony is according to JoAgbaje. Yet, using his own arguments, one can also claim that gluttony is a bad habit not a sin...
I wonder how that works out.

ATMC: no point made yet...[size=15pt]cos dt one has urge nd decides to relieve himself or herself by use of his or her hand doesn't mean anything[/size]...i use to think dt its sin until some yrs back. If truth be told, its no sin. A virgin girl has urge once every month...nature made it so...she may not know what is happening to her but she finds herself going...at a particular time of d month. She can relieve herself without feeling guilty.there is no law in d bible against it, y r pple trying to make a case where there is none.

ATMC: d point u made has a problem...talking about gluttony: u know d jews called jesus a gluton...do u think it was a mere nick name, nay, jesus liked food nd dt's y martha went preparing food for him b4 he called her to order. D point is there is a difference btw a habit nd sin. Dt jesus had a habit of eating does not make him a sinner. Same goes for self relief, moreover u can have what seems to be a good habit b4 men but it may not count
b4 god. Do u know dt when a wife goes down on her hubby or vice versa, dt its self relief? Nothing is wrong with it.

musKeeto: Goshen, no worry, I go handle d issue for you..



Of course, we know there's a difference between a habit and sin. You say masturbation is a 'bad' habit... What makes a habit 'bad'?

musKeeto: My bad...
So self-service is just a habit? neither good nor bad?

musKeeto: Now you're asking my question.. you should probably ask JoAgbaje...

musKeeto: At the end, we'll both be saying the same thing.. goodness gracious,, all these NL arguments..

ATMC: i don't argue, i simply exchange views...our saying d same thing i take to mean u agree MAST-UR-B@TION is not sin cos dt's what i'm saying...js

musKeeto: It's simple logic.
God views murder as a sin. Yet David and the rest would kill people in wars. Therefore, a sin is not the action, but the context in which the action takes place.

How do we relate this to masturbation?

Masturbating, for sexual relief, is definitely a sin, because you must 'think' about sexual thoughts. Here the actions, thoughts and contexts go hand in hand. JoAGBAJE would rather prefer to go round in circles claiming one can masturbate 'without thinking'. This is someone who claims to have never masturbated, imagine.

Eating is not a sin. Gluttony is according to JoAgbaje. Yet, using his own arguments, one can also claim that gluttony is a bad habit not a sin...
I wonder how that works out.

ATMC: no point made yet...cos dt one has urge nd decides to relieve himself or herself by use of his or her hand doesn't mean anything...i use to think dt its sin until some yrs back. If truth be told, its no sin.[b] A virgin girl has urge once every month...nature made it so...she may not know what is happening to her but she finds herself going...at a particular time of d month. She can relieve herself without feeling guilty.[/b]there is no law in d bible against it, y r pple trying to make a case where there is none.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO6c5CkrLSU

Goshen360:

Why are you being like one of religious hypocrites. I am done talking this matter with you. If not that ATMC mentioned my i.d, I wont have said anything. NOW TELL US, WHAT IS THE CORRELATION BETWEEN CHEWING GUM AND MASTUBATION? What is wrong with you?

Secondly on the Bolded. Yes, Pastor said the guy should just stop it by replacing it with good habit. The problem of you and your heresy is that you take mastubation as mere habit. Smh. No body will question or attack what pastor chris said should he had stopped at that statement but he went on to say IT IS NOT A SIN AGAINST GOD AND GOD GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, IT'S YOUR BODY. This is pure heresy! Very Simple because the body of a believer is no more his when such believer comes to Christ but it's the Lords and it is the temple of God.

Jesus said, if ANYMAN will be His disciple, he must deny SELF. Do you understand what the Lord meant by that statement? Joagbaje, am DONE TALKING TO YOU AS FAR AS THIS MATTER IS CONCERNED,OKAY.

Am talking to ATMC PLEASEEEEEEEEES. IT IS VERY CLEAR YOU CAN DIE WITH CHRIS. I DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT, DON'T JUST BRING YOUR HERESIES HERE. OKAY. YOU JUST GO ARROUND THAT IT IS NOT A SIN AND YOU CANT EVEN PROVE IT ALSO AND WHEN WE SHOW YOU FROM THE WORD OF GOD YOU START GOING IN CIRCLE. PLEASEEEEEEEESSSSSS.

Joagbaje:
You just don't want to hear the truth that's why you want to shut me up. Okay you have won.

musKeeto: And you've lost... nice to be a loser for once, right?

If you claim that's it's a sin against God. What of those who do medical sperrm test. And they have to mastubate in a speciall room. Many of the patients are Christians. Have they sinned too?

Joagbaje: ^ do the same to your heresies

musKeeto: wow... wonderful editing Mr. JoAgbaje.. do you have Microsoft NairaWord processor on your system... I thought you just said Goshen won...

Goshen360:

@ Joagbaje,
If you think I preach heresy, go here and attend to the truth your cult organization is teaching: https://www.nairaland.com/924786/wife-would-rather-pay-tithe