raumdeuter:




Please dont disgrace yourself in public

from UEFA.com below are the only treble winners in history. So where did Porto win their own treble from? In Play station

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2251733.html

Celtic FC (1967), AFC Ajax (1972), PSV Eindhoven (1988), Manchester United FC (1999) and FC Barcelona(2009, 2015) FC Bayern Munich 2013

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raumdeuter:


Etoo Lampard and Ronaldinho

Etoo?


Yet somebody will come and tell me that Scholes is better than Lampard. Or that Scholes is better than Gerrard

Nihilist:


Etoo?


Yet somebody will come and tell me that Scholes is better than Lampard. Or that Scholes is better than Gerrard

Ronaldinho wins world award again

Runner-up Frank Lampard (left) and winner Ronaldinho
Ronaldinho scoops European award
Barcelona playmaker Ronaldinho has been named Fifa's World Player of the Year for the second consecutive season.
The Brazilian gained 960 points in the poll of national coaches and captains.

Chelsea and England midfielder Frank Lampard was second with 429 points and Ronaldinho's Barca team-mate, Samuel Eto'o of Cameroon, third with 190.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/4486166.stm

[img]http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Ronaldinho+Frank+Lampard+FIFA+World+Player+okjnXqVveacl.jpg[/img]

Nihilist:


Etoo?


Yet somebody will come and tell me that Scholes is better than Lampard. Or that Scholes is better than Gerrard

Who is better Henry, Raul, Nistelrooy and Owen.? Or better still rank the 4 strikers who played at the same time.

Lol.. Lalaboi you need to calm down

Nihilist:


Etoo?


Yet somebody will come and tell me that Scholes is better than Lampard. Or that Scholes is better than Gerrard

Eto fils

raumdeuter:


Ronaldinho wins world award again

Runner-up Frank Lampard (left) and winner Ronaldinho
Ronaldinho scoops European award
Barcelona playmaker Ronaldinho has been named Fifa's World Player of the Year for the second consecutive season.
The Brazilian gained 960 points in the poll of national coaches and captains.

Chelsea and England midfielder Frank Lampard was second with 429 points and Ronaldinho's Barca team-mate, Samuel Eto'o of Cameroon, third with 190.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/4486166.stm

[img]http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Ronaldinho+Frank+Lampard+FIFA+World+Player+okjnXqVveacl.jpg[/img]

Olodo World Player of the Year and Balon D'or were two different awards in 2005

Your statement was :

raumdeuter:
[size=18pt]For the sixth straight time, the final three-man Ballon d’Or shortlist does not include a single Premier League player, while it is a decade since an Englishman last made the final three (Frank Lampard in 2005).[/size]

Balon D'or Gerrard came 3rd.

World best that Year, Gerrard still finished top 10

Scholes was not seen anywhere...

Nihilist:


Etoo?


Yet somebody will come and tell me that Scholes is better than Lampard. Or that Scholes is better than Gerrard

Dont confuse WPOTY with Ballon D'or.

Ballon D'or was an award given by France Football magazine for players in Europe only.

FIFA merged them in 2009 to avoid confusion.

FIFA WPOTY is what was recognised as the best player in the world prior to 2009. Gerrard finished 7th, Eto was 3rd.

Ibime:


Dont confuse WPOTY with Ballon D'or.

Ballon D'or was only European Player of the year until 2009.

FIFA merged them in 2009 to avoid confusion.

FIFA WPOTY is what was recognised as the best player in the world prior to 2009. Gerrard finished 7th, Eto was 3rd.

Read Dayo's statement again...

Ibime:


Dont confuse WPOTY with Ballon D'or.

Ballon D'or was an award given by France Football magazine for players in Europe only.

FIFA merged them in 2009 to avoid confusion.

FIFA WPOTY is what was recognised as the best player in the world prior to 2009. Gerrard finished 7th, Eto was 3rd.

nice one

Nihilist:

Read Dayo's statement again...

Omo if you be interviewer ehn... I

Nihilist:

Read Dayo's statement again...

Omo if you be interviewer ehn...

Nihilist:


Read Dayo's statement again...

Dayos statement is correct.

What we recognise as Ballon D'or now is the FIFA WPOTY not France Football magazines award for players in Europe only.

As a compromise, it was named FIFA Ballon D'or. Assessing history, no one will pick the France Football magazine award when assessing WPOTY. They will pick the FIFA version which is the legitimate version.

Its like saying Michael Owen was WPOTY in 2001, when he only won the Ballon D'or. Everyone knows Figo was WPOTY in 2001. If I say Figo was Ballon D'or 2001, we are referring to the WPOTY which adopted the Ballon D'or name in 2010. The rest na semantics.

Michael Owen on the other hand will be referred to as European player of the Year 2001, not Ballon D'or. Dem no born am well to claim what he is not.

Nihilist:


Olodo World Player of the Year and Balon D'or were two different awards in 2005

Your statement was :

Balon D'or Gerrard came 3rd.

World best that Year, Gerrard still finished top 10

Scholes was not seen anywhere...

FIFA has taken over the Balon D or and the Balon D or as you used to know it ceased to exist.

I am still asking you. Henry, Raul Owen and Nistelrooy strikers around the same era. Rate them.

waiting.. ,,

Ibime:


Dayos statement is correct.

What we recognise as Ballon D'or now is the FIFA WPOTY not France Football magazines award for players in Europe only.

As a compromise, it was named FIFA Ballon D'or. Assessing history, no one will pick the France Football magazine award when assessing WPOTY. They will pick the FIFA version which is the legitimate version.

Its like saying Michael Owen was WPOTY in 2001, when he only won the Ballon D'or. Everyone knows Figo was WPOTY in 2001. If I say Figo was Ballon D'or 2001, we are referring to the WPOTY which adopted the Ballon D'or name in 2010. The rest na semantics.

Michael Owen on the other hand will be referred to as European player of the Year 2001, not Ballon D'or. Dem no born am well to claim what he is not.

Ibime you are over-intellectualizing a very simple issue.

Dayo mention Balon D'or candidates for 2005

Balon D'or 2005 is a very concrete award. Steve Gerrard has a Bronze Statue in his wardrobe that reads 'Balon D'or 2005 runner up'

Dayo is the one that does not understand English. stop trying use semantics to cover his gaffe

Henry, Raul Owen and Nistelrooy strikers around the same era. Rate them

Nihilist

tick tock..

raumdeuter:


FIFA has taken over the Balon D or and the Balon D or as you used to know it ceased to exist.

I am still asking you. Henry, Raul Owen and Nistelrooy strikers around the same era. Rate them.

waiting.. ,,

Henry, Raul, and Ruud van Horseface can point to their superior goal tallies when arguing their case against Owen.

What individual statistic can Scholes use to argue his case against Gerrard and Lampard?

Waiting....

Nihilist:


Henry, Raul, and Ruud van Horseface can point to their superior goal tallies when arguing their case against Owen.

What individual statistic can Scholes use to argue his case against Gerrard and Lampard?

Waiting....

Better goal scorer without the penalties
Is that good enough ?

Nihilist:


Ibime you are over-intellectualizing a very simple issue.

Dayo mention Balon D'or candidates for 2005

Balon D'or 2005 is a very concrete award. Steve Gerrard has a Bronze Statue in his wardrobe that reads 'Balon D'or 2005 runner up'

Dayo is the one that does not understand English. stop trying use semantics to cover his gaffe

He has not gaffed. No one will call Michael Owen Ballon D'or 2001. That is Figo. Michael Owen will be called European Footballer of the Year. It takes a ninja of a certain age to state it correctly, which Dayo has done.

Back then we have 3 awards:

FIFA WPOTY (now called FIFA Ballon D'or)
France Footballs Ballon D'or (now called European POTY)
World Soccer magazines World Player of the Year (very prestigious in the days of print media, 2nd to FIFA WPOTY)

http://talksport.com/football/how-michael-owen-won-ballon-dor-without-being-crowned-worlds-best-footballer-141202127287

Nihilist:


Henry, Raul, and Ruud van Horseface can point to their superior goal tallies when arguing their case against Owen.

What individual statistic can Scholes use to argue his case against Gerrard and Lampard?

Waiting....

Rate them. Raul Nistelrooy Henry and Owen factoring in the award you put up as the deal breaker

Hint Owen won European footballer of the year None of the others ever did

SIRcumalot:

Better goal scorer without the penalties
Is that good enough ?

Why dont you go and tell Ronaldo that he is not highest goal scorer in the UCL because penalties form part of his tally.

Or better yet, go and tell Alan Shearer that his 58 EPL penalties do not count towards the total tally...

As if it's Gerrard that told scholes not be good at taking Penalties.

Ibime:


He has not gaffed. No one will call Michael Owen Ballon D'or 2001. That is Figo. Michael Owen will be called European Footballer of the Year. It takes a ninja of a certain age to state it correctly, which Dayo has done.

Back then we have 3 awards:

FIFA WPOTY (now called FIFA Ballon D'or)
France Footballs Ballon D'or (now called European POTY)
World Soccer magazines World Player of the Year (very prestigious in the days of print media, 2nd to FIFA WPOTY)

http://talksport.com/football/how-michael-owen-won-ballon-dor-without-being-crowned-worlds-best-footballer-141202127287

Oga why are you arguing some weak semantics.

Dayo said Balon D'or shortlist. He did not specify whether it was Fifa Balon D'or or the old one. And incidentally, Gerrard made Balon D'or 3man shortlist that year.

No amount of argument or ratiocination can change what is written on Gerrard's statue...

raumdeuter:


Rate them. Raul Nistelrooy Henry and Owen factoring in the award you put up as the deal breaker

Hint Owen won European footballer of the year None of the others ever did

The argument would be that Ruud, Henry and Raul were better than Owen....

The premise of the argument would be that all three players scored more goals than Michael Owen. And that argument would have a logical basis

If you think, that is some sort of logical trap, then I'm ashamed for you.

Now my question to you again is very simple, what premise can you use to put up a similar argument for Scholes over Gerrard and Lampard?

tick tock

Nihilist:


Why dont you go and tell Ronaldo that he is not highest goal scorer in the UCL because penalties form part of his tally.

Or better yet, go and tell Alan Shearer that his 58 EPL penalties do not count towards the total tally...

As if it's Gerrard that told scholes not be good at taking Penalties.

Hey! you asked for the stat I supplied.

SIRcumalot:

Hey! you asked for the stat I supplied.

I did not ask for such a stat from you...

I don't understand how so many of you rush to discount penalties as if penalty taking is not a vital skill in itself.

As you probably remember, it was Scholes missed penalty that lost Manyoo the FA Cup final in 2005. And in Moscow 2008 he was removed in the 90th minute when it looked like a penalty shooutout could be on the cards.

Scholes was crap at Pens and the fact that he only scored 1 out of 3 attempts for Manyoo in the league tells is another example of why he is inferior to Gerrard

Nihilist:


Oga why are you arguing some weak semantics.

Dayo said Balon D'or shortlist. He did not specify whether it was Fifa Balon D'or or the old one. And incidentally, Gerrard made Balon D'or 3man shortlist that year.

No amount of argument or ratiocination can change what is written on Gerrard's statue...

There is no semantics. Any ninja talking about Balon D'or is only talking about FIFA WPOTY.

If a ninja talk about European POTY, we also know what he is referring to.

Your interpretation is how we go class your experience in footie matters.

A ninja who said he is about to 'Hoover' his house should not be queried whether he is discussing 'vacuum cleaner' or not. Who know go know and who no know no go know.

Nihilist:


The argument would be that Ruud, Henry and Raul were better than Owen....

The premise of the argument would be that all three players scored more goals than Michael Owen. And that argument would have a logical basis

If you think, that is some sort of logical trap, then I'm ashamed for you.

Now my question to you again is very simple, what premise can you use to put up a similar argument for Scholes over Gerrard and Lampard?

tick tock

Scholes had more assists from open play than Gerrard

Gerrard had 481 appearance and 97 assists from open play

Scholes had 499 appearances and 120 assists from open play

Check..

Ibime:


There is no semantics. Any ninja talking about Balon D'or is only talking about FIFA WPOTY.

If a ninja talk about European POTY, we also know what he is referring to.

Your interpretation is how we go class your experience in footie matters.

A ninja who said he is about to 'Hoover' his house should not be queried whether he is discussing 'vacuum cleaner' or not. Who know go know and who no know no go know.

Experience in footy matters my arse. Your pomposity sometimes is hilarious, as if nobody knows the difference between both. As if I did not differentiate the two before you speciously interjected


To paraphrase eminem "what you say is what you say but sometimes what you mean is two different things"

Whether you like it or not, regardless of what has been changed Owen's award says Balon Do'r. Same as Gerrards...

raumdeuter:


Scholes had more assists from open play than Gerrard

Gerrard had 481 appearance and 97 assists from open play

Scholes had 499 appearances and 120 assists from open play

Check..

You are right....Go and tell the EPL to remove Gerrard from their all time assist lists

As if it's Gerrard that told Scholes not to know how to take freekicks and corners...

Ibime:

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