Logic Mind:

so what is the use of god's wisdom?

bukatyne: God didn't require women to submit to their male partners, He said husbands. that said, a wife is to submit (esteem her husband higher than herself or put him first ) n a husband is to love. one of d characteristics of godly love is not been proud (humble) 1cor 13 : 4-7 n been humble is to esteem others (in this case his wife) better than himself. so u c that they balance out. check out d qualities of wat d love God requires d husband to have for his wife n u ll c that already, d man esteems her above himself. also read eph 5:21, it commands al christians to submit to one another so u c that submittin doesn't make a person under another.

bukatyne: solomon asked for it. he ruled his kingdom wit it. if he didn't apply it to his martial life, good for him. like i keep saying, God have, everyone freewill. if u give ur child money for his tuition fees n he decides to use it to buy his gf brazilian weaves, is it ur fault that u gave him his fees like a responsible father or his own fault that he was foolish to divert it?

Logic Mind:

christian twist and turn
please compare comparables.
if i give my child money and he acts like a poor fellow, what's the use of my money?
can a man god made rich be poor?
can a man god gave health be sick?
can a man god gave happiness be sad?
can a man god promised long life die in his youth?
can a man god gave strength be weak?
can a man god gave wisdom be foolish?

Majority of christian will answer no to all the above. You seem to be answering yes.

Logic Mind:

so a husband is not a male partner?

stop rewriting the bible. god is specific about submission of women to men. Their salvation comes through childbearing. I pity the barren ones. Women should keep their mouth shut and have no authority over man, instead man must have authority over women. Repeated many times over.

1 Timothy 2:11-15

11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Ephesians 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife ...

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

1 Corinthians 11:10

10 For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.

Logic Mind:

so a husband is not a male partner?

stop rewriting the bible. god is specific about submission of women to men. Their salvation comes through childbearing. I pity the barren ones. Women should keep their mouth shut and have no authority over man, instead man must have authority over women. Repeated many times over.

1 Timothy 2:11-15

11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Ephesians 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife ...

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

1 Corinthians 11:10

10 For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.

bukatyne: my answer is yes. there is a difference between religion n christianity. christianity is a relationship wit God. i would also advice christians to study d Bible n ask God for wisdom. that it's y on christian has any excuse, d BIBLE is there. if God tells u that u ll live till a hundred years n u jump into d road n a trailer hits u, is it His fault? or He tells u that He ll make u wealthy n u sit al day doin nothing, ll HE rain money from Heaven? He said He ll bless d work of our hands! if u do nothing, there is nothing to bless! if He promises u good health n u start drinkin contaminated water n eating spoilt food, would u fall sick? n al d other scenarioes u painted. get it, God is not a magician. He plays His part n expects each one of us to play ours too. He MIGHT decide to spare d life of d person who jumped in fronto of a vehicle because of His mercy n not because He is obliged to do so.

bukatyne: @logicmind: also read that 1 cor 11 further to verses 11 and 16

bukatyne: all those passages u quoted, read d whole chapter n not just lift some to suit u. in 1 cor 11:34, Paul was addressing an issue. if u read well, u ll c that those verses don't match the previous ones. Paul was an apostle dat worked wit women a lot. women re not saved by childbirth, they re saved through acceptin Christ as their Lord n personal saviour.

bukatyne: @bennyraz: thanks, ow re u? stay blessed!

Logic Mind: Here is what a pioneering feminist, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, thinks of the biblical portrayal of women.

"The bible teaches that women brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire... Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up."

Logic Mind: Here is what a pioneering feminist, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, thinks of the biblical portrayal of women.

"The bible teaches that women brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire... Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up."

Logic Mind:

So you are telling me that god negates his gifts because of freewill? Infact it doesn't matter what gift god gave us, we can do anything we bloody want, the way we bloody want?
So the person that receives gods gift can end up exactly the same as the person who didn't?
What then is the use of god's gift?
biblical apologetics really make me laugh. So when solomon ordered that an innocent baby be murdered, that was wisdom from god but when he ordered that women be brought to him, that was foolishness from freewill.

bukatyne: i like d word u used: thinks! if she were alive, i would advice her just like i would advice u to read d Bible wit an open mind. don't assume the Bible says something on a subject before finding out wat d Bible REALLY says about that subject. don't say this is wat my pastor says therefore it must be right! Elizabeth lived in a time when discrimination against women and human trafficking/slave trade were supported wit d Bible. years later, people who read their Bibles properly started fighting against it.

Logic Mind: Women were not part of god's original plan. They are an afterthought.
God created adam first and only derived eve from adam when he realised that adam needs someone to help with his bonner from time to time.

bukatyne: lol! i like ur sense of humour! if God had to take a rib out of adam to create eve then u should know that eve's job description was more than being a bonner helper! besides, God doesn't waste His resources. if He wanted eve to be BH only, he wouldn't have given her a brain, soul or spirit. read Genesis 1:26-28 and u'll c dat women re not an afterthought. take care

Logic Mind:

I'm sure she knew the bible more than you do. I'm also sure that the bible opens much more than minds in women. Even I, sometimes find myself mouth open when going through some passages of your holy book.

italo: Men and women have their roles in God's plan. There's no need to fight.

bukatyne: elizabeth might have read d Bible but she never understood nor knew d God of the Bible because she never had d basic requirement: being born again! the letter kills but d Spirit gives life meaning that d Bible is not a story book! u don't just read it literally, u pray for God to open ur inner eyes n heart to understand His Word to u

Logic Mind:

No be talk am o. Na god himself say am
Genesis 2:20 "...But for Adam no suitable helper was found"
To help with what exactly if I may ask?

If women were created as per Genesis 1:26-28, why did god have to create eve specially? Also remember that Adam named eve "woman" after she has been created so Genesis 1:26-28 could not have been speaking of women.

For clarity purposes. Woman means "taken out of man" Gen 2:23. The females created in Genesis 1:26-28 were not taken out of men so could not have been women.

logicboy:

Ironically, if a muslim told you the same about the Koran, you would not agree.

bukatyne: @logicboy: i ve never quoted/misquoted any koranic text b4 because i ve never read one! anything a muslim tells me is in d koran, i believe until proven otherwise! besides, d muslims always claim that d koran should be taken as it is read! i don't talk wit authority about things i really don't understand, i rather ask questions or at best give my own opinions! take care!

Logic Mind: In the bible, it is only the women who are barren and infertile. Never men.
Sarah, Abraham's wife, was barren. Genesis 11:30
Rebekkah, Isaac's wife, was barren. Genesis 25:21
Rachel, Jacob's wife, was barren. Genesis 29:31
Manoah's wife, future mother of Samson, was barren. Judges 13:2
Michal the daughter of Saul, wife of David, was barren. 2 Samuel 6:23
Hannah, Samuel's future mother, was barren. 1 Samuel 1:5-6
Great Shunammite woman who helped Elisha, was barren. 2 Kings 4:8-17
Elizabeth, Jesus' auntie and john's future mother, was barren. Luke 1:7

The bible even mock them.
Psalm 113:9 "He maketh the barren woman to keep house and to be a joyful mother of children. Praise ye the LORD."
Isaiah 54:1-17 "Sing, O barren one, who did not bear; break forth into singing and cry aloud, you who have not been in labor! For the children of the desolate one will be more than the children of her who is married,"
Luke 23:29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!'