logicboy:

But I was a christian for 22 years. If I claim that the bible is sexist, you would say that I need the holy ghost!

bukatyne: anytime i hear such, it makes me ache. wat made u draw back from God? Ps 34: 8 says 'taste n see that d Lord is good. o d joys of those who trust in Him.' i sincerely don't believe that someone that once loved God genuinely ll draw back but i'm not omniscient! the Bible is not sexist, i once thought so myself until i told God to open my inner heart to see His word and decided to reread my Bible again witout bias. i would like to know y u drew back from Christ. take care

bukatyne: this is wat i mean by prayin for understanding. Gen 1 was giving the summary of creation while chapter 2 was telling us d process of creating humans! if u stick wit that ur reasoning that means the man mentioned in chapter 1 is not Adam cos God Created Adam From Dust In Chapter 2 and dat God recreated d heavens and earth again!

bukatyne: and who told u that only women were barren? read Matt 19: 11-12 where Jesus Christ was talking about marriage n divorce. about the Bible mockin barren women: Ps 113:9 - 'He (God) gives d barren woman a home so that she becomes a happy mother' parenthesis mine. wat is d mockery in dat? or are u been ironical?

bukatyne: @logicmind: Isa 54:1 - 17 is talkin of d future glory of Jerusalem. it is also talkin figuratively. i also don't c how this passage ridicule barren women. this is one of the passages they read to increase and build up their faith

logicboy:


The bible supports slavery and genocide




Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

Furthermore, in the 13th century, the Catholic church officially supported slavery in its canon law by Pope Gregory IX. Also, there were popes who held slaves themselves

logicboy:


The bible supports slavery and genocide




Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

Furthermore, in the 13th century, the Catholic church officially supported slavery in its canon law by Pope Gregory IX. Also, there were popes who held slaves themselves

bukatyne: the old testament operated under the old law/covenant and we have things like stoning of people, slavery etc but all that was abolished in the NT. HOWEVER, some gentiles had slaves, it was part of their customs so there must be laws to regulate slavery. it would cause serious confusion and social disorder if al masters were told to release their slaves or if al slaves were told to rebel because al the slave owners might not be christians. it is just like saying that because the law talks of punishin rape then it encouraged rape. as for d popes, u should know that Jesus is our ultimate mirror of christian living. popes can make mistakes b'cos they re human. if my pastor steals, does it mean that God support stealing? take care

bukatyne: the old testament operated under the old law/covenant and we have things like stoning of people, slavery etc but all that was abolished in the NT. HOWEVER, some gentiles had slaves, it was part of their customs so there must be laws to regulate slavery. it would cause serious confusion and social disorder if al masters were told to release their slaves or if al slaves were told to rebel because al the slave owners might not be christians. it is just like saying that because the law talks of punishin rape then it encouraged rape. as for d popes, u should know that Jesus is our ultimate mirror of christian living. popes can make mistakes b'cos they re human. if my pastor steals, does it mean that God support stealing? take care

Logic Mind: The holy bible affirms that not only are some women worse than death, in fact no woman is upright.

Ecclesiastes 7:26-29

26 I find more bitter than death
the woman who is a snare,
whose heart is a trap
and whose hands are chains.
The man who pleases God will escape her,
but the sinner she will ensnare.

27 ‘Look,’ says the Teacher, ‘this is what I have discovered:

‘Adding one thing to another to discover the scheme of things –
28 while I was still searching
but not finding –
I found one upright man among a thousand,
but not one upright woman among them all.
29 This only have I found:
God created mankind upright,
but they have gone in search of many schemes.’

bukatyne: @logicmind: Isa 54:1 - 17 is talkin of d future glory of Jerusalem. it is also talkin figuratively. i also don't c how this passage ridicule barren women. this is one of the passages they read to increase and build up their faith

Logic Mind: Going back to barren women. God eventually opened the wombs of most these women.
However, all the wombs that were opened were to bear...you guessed it: boys. males only.
God does not open a barren womb in order to get a baby girl. Never!

Ptolomeus:
Read these passages to the wife of Abraham? David's wife? Noah's wife? Solomon's wife?
They were all adulterers, with the approval of the Judeo-Christian god ...
May well increase the faith of these women deceived and humiliated.

Logic Mind: The bible does not consider many women important enough to mention their names.
It is always this person's daughter, that person's wife, that man's mother. etc
Here is a non exhaustive list of nameless women in the bible:
-Cain and Abel's sisters
-Noah's wife
-Daughter of Ham
-Nimrod's wife
-Mother of Abraham
-Lot's daughters
-Lot's wife
-Laban's wife
-Potiphar's wife
-Pharaoh's daughter
-Simeon's wife
-The Cushitic wife of Moses
-Job's wife
-Samson's mother
-Jephthah's daughter
-David's mother
-The Witch of Endor
-The wise woman of Abel
-The Queen of Sheba
-Haman's mother
-Sisters/step-sisters/female cousins of Jesus
-Herodias' daughter
-Syrophoenician woman
-Hæmorrhaging woman
-Samaritan woman at the well
-Woman taken in adultery
-Pontius Pilate's wife

And many more.

Logic Mind:

I don't know what you had open when you read this bible of yours but it certainly wasn't your mind.
In genesis chapter 1, we were told of how god chronologically created things in six days. He created vegetation on the third day. The last thing he created was man on the sixth day.
In genesis chapter 2, we were told that adam was created before vegetation but after the streams. Remember that vegetation was created on the third day.

You see:
Adam created on the third day, after the streams and earthly waters were created but before vegetation was created.
Man created on the 6th day after everything else, including Adam, was created.

Two different beings.

Logic Mind:

I don't know what you had open when you read this bible of yours but it certainly wasn't your mind.
In genesis chapter 1, we were told of how god chronologically created things in six days. He created vegetation on the third day. The last thing he created was man on the sixth day.
In genesis chapter 2, we were told that adam was created before vegetation but after the streams. Remember that vegetation was created on the third day.

You see:
Adam created on the third day, after the streams and earthly waters were created but before vegetation was created.
Man created on the 6th day after everything else, including Adam, was created.

Two different beings.

Logic Mind:

So the old testament laws were wrong laws?

Logic Mind:

So the old testament laws were wrong laws?

logicboy:


Did you not see the quote from the new testament?


furthermore, Jesus/God couldnt stop skavery? He was afraid of rebellion?

bukatyne: goodday, pls i don't understand ur post and i don't want to assume. clearify urself. thanks

bukatyne: i did n i addressed it starting from the gentiles stuff. Jesus was not afraid of a rebellion but He didn't come to reign in an earthly kingdom but an heavenly one. He said repeatedly that His Kingdom was not of this world that was y He told those believers who were slaves to obey their masters n their masters should treat them fairly. He even paid His taxes n christians re told to pay import duty, obey their govt, avoid riots etc!

bukatyne: now u re quoting king solomon! he also said that everything is meaningless, al is vanity upon vanity! solomon was probably talking about his 1,000 wives. check d Bible, many righteous women abound

bukatyne: all the barren women that had more than a child had gals. however, the FB were always boys b'cos they had to witness in one way or the other to the isrealites and it was only men that were legible witnesses in isreal at d time. e.g. samuel was a priest, john was d forerunner of Jesus, etc

bukatyne: chapter 2 was talking about d Garden of Eden

bukatyne: they were not wrong laws but they dealt wit d physical aspect of life. the OT laws can not save, they just served as corrective measures. but in the NT, the person's heart(spirit) is renewed and God judges our motives, actions, thoughts etc while in the OT, only d actions re judged

bukatyne: i did n i addressed it starting from the gentiles stuff. Jesus was not afraid of a rebellion but He didn't come to reign in an earthly kingdom but an heavenly one. He said repeatedly that His Kingdom was not of this world that was y He told those believers who were slaves to obey their masters n their masters should treat them fairly. He even paid His taxes n christians re told to pay import duty, obey their govt, avoid riots etc!

Ptolomeus:
It's simple:
The role of women in the Bible is reduced to a Simple horned (Cuckold), or stone of scandal. I hope I was clear now.

logicboy:

May your children be slaves and be told to obey their masters since you think that is a good thing!