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Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 3:27pm On Jun 24, 2012 |
Ptolomeus:he had s.ex wit his wife n maid and not half sister b'cos he had married her. remember that abraham was married b4 God called him. it's a smear campaign against we christians b'cos u got it from our Bible in d first place. abraham is not God, he's a human like u n i and sometimes made wrong decisions based on situations around him and not d promise of God. God called him when he was 75yrs, and when he was 99yrs, God appeared to him and said 'I AM THE LORD ALMIGHTY, walk b4 Me and be thou perfect' Gen 17:1-27 meaning that for the past 24yrs, he was not doing the right things. check out his lifestyle after that. |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by ezicat: 12:19am On Jul 05, 2012 |
Wow - there's always an excuse when it is in the Bible? Because these days - if someone married his half-sister, Christians would simply say - ah, he's just human....but let me guess, it was different then because it was a reflection of Abraham's time....wait - I thought God was eternal? Looks like he keeps changing his level of morality. The man he allegedly gave the most wisdom was a shameless polygamist and man-LovePeddler. Over 1,000 women. WTF. Oh, and when is it acceptable to EVER kill children? But that's the Old Testament, right? Just a history of the Jews - God was entirely absent, right? I'm done with this conversation. Christians are irrational - there are some things that are simply not acceptable, neither can they be explained away. They are PROOF that that moralistic superbeing overseeing the actions of the Jews is just that - a myth...or really really really bad at his job. |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by kingk(m): 9:21am On Sep 08, 2013 |
Very interesting topic |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by kingk(m): 9:35am On Sep 08, 2013 |
Logic Mind: You talk of honesty when you're ignorant of what you're saying... "jesus in heaven had no mother - true . thus bastard jesus on earth had no biological father - true. thus bastard bastard in heaven, bastard on earth"......... Adam on earth, what do you call him? Dear logic mind, this things are beyond you ok You can't or have not really comprehend the mysteries of the bible. |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 2:03pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
kingk: Hi kingk, You joined the party late. You are welcome |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by kingk(m): 3:09pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
bukatyne: Thanks you Sis..... Hope the family is doing great? |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 2:09pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
kingk: There is a big bright F in front of my name na... We are fine, thanks |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by kingk(m): 10:09pm On Oct 22, 2013 |
bukatyne: Oh! Am very sorry for that mistake though corrected.............. |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 10:26am On Oct 23, 2013 |
kingk: Ok, no problem You have not dropped your thoughts on the topic na |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 12:24pm On Dec 29, 2014 |
What a topic More thoughts are welcome |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by kingk(m): 8:46pm On Jan 07, 2015 |
thank God.....yet another year. |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 4:19pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
Double Post |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 4:20pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
@babygirlfl, Please go through the thread on what we discussed |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 4:52pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
@Bellong: Want to hear your views on the topic I have never really seen your posts on such matters I miss Nashville |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by babygirlfl: 4:54pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
bukatyne: Thank you very much bukatyne. I am going to do just that. |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 4:58pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
babygirlfl: You are welcome 1 Like |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bellong: 8:47pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
bukatyne: Sorry, I was on the move and couldn't respond when I saw the mention. The subject matter is comprehensive and broad, I guess what you aim at asking is if women are allowed to teach in the church or not? I actually do not do religious arguments because many do not open their hearts to the Rhema of the word but only to the letter. In addition, are you yearning to know this thing to know the truth or to disagree with opinions? Whatever it is, I will give you a short and succinct understanding of me concerning the topic (don't mind my grammar). There are four basic things the scripture encourages and commands the women to do which I will outline below but due to my typing laziness, I may not expantiate (apologies)... 1. Women are to teach other women (Titus 2:4-5) From this text, it is evident that women are to teach other women and that God has prescribed an order of conduct for women which, if followed, glorifies Him and causes His name to be glorified rather than reproached or blasphemed. The exact nature of this "teaching" ministry of women is not explicitly stated, but certainly this ministry could be advanced in either a classroom setting or on a personal discipleship arrangement. 2. Women Are to Adorn Themselves With Good Works (1 Timothy 2: 9-10) Though this is not restricted to women but since we are discussing about women, we streamline it for the purpose of this discussion. The principle in this context is this: A woman's character is more important than her apparel.. Women can demonstrate their good works within the local church body and beyond through a variety of ways. Showing hospitality, encouraging others, teaching other women and keeping believers up-to-date on the ministries of the church and the church's missionaries. 3. Women Are to Be Active Learners This is one of the controversial part and if only one opens his/her heart to the Holy Spirit, the truth of this part will not become a subject for debate. Not only are women in the local church to teach other women and maintain good works and Godly character, but Paul also commands them to be learners. In his second epistle to Timothy, Paul states that the false teachers had influenced some of the women in the Ephesian church (2 Tim. 3:6-7). First Timothy 2:11 delineates how the women were to learn in the local assembly: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection." It is important to note that this statement does not imply that the woman is to completely keep silent within the entire public worship service of the local church. Rather, the woman is to keep silent only in the process of learning, that is, when the male leader of the church is authoritatively teaching the doctrine found in the Word of God. First, women are to learn in silence, or quietness, which denotes outward manner. Second, they are to learn in all submissiveness, which denotes the attitude of the heart that must accompany learning. There is more to say here and I know this will raise dust but I pray that the Holy Spirit fill whoever is reading to understand the depth. 4. Women Are Prohibited From Exercising Authoritative Leadership or Teaching of the Word of God Over Men in the Local Assembly An accurate understanding of 1Timothy 2:12-14 is the key to a proper understanding of a woman's role in the local church. Verse 12 states, "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." At this point it is necessary to note two prevalent, but inadequate, arguments that promote an egalitarian view of women in the local church. First, some claim that this verse is simply an opinion of the apostle rather than an authoritative proclamation of God for all ages. However, as previously noted, such a view falls short and must not be tolerated by those who accept the inerrancy and inspiration of Scripture. One of the arguments prevalent among egalitarians is that Paul was simply giving a temporal, local command only for the church at Ephesus and Corinthians as written in the book of Corinthians, due to the culture in which these churches were enveloped. in responding to this, one of the articles I have read noted that the context itself reveals that Paul's statement is not directed only to a local assembly, for Paul supports his command regarding a woman's role in the church by way of a universal principle. and the article wrote thus... "It is crucial to note the causal relation of verses 13 and 14 to the preceding verses. Paul grounds his comments in a reality that exists outside of Ephesus: "For Adam was first formed, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." This is sufficient reason to recognize that some enduring principle is applied to this specific situation. The convergence of norm and occasion that we expect to find in Paul's letters is expressly communicated in the present passage. There is a command, and there is a norm, and these are connected by a causal particle" First Timothy 2:13-14 gives the reason why this command is set forth and necessary in the local church: "For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." The Divine command in no way denotes any form of inferiority of women. Rather, this text reminds the reader that God has determined an order for the institutions that He has established. Paul's reasons for prohibiting a woman from authoritatively teaching the Word of God to men in the local assembly were based upon two historical events: the creation and the fall. There are many more to write but time and laziness wouldn't permit me. If one accepts the inerrancy and historical accuracy of Scripture and correctly interprets 1 Timothy 2:9-15, then all portions of New Testament Scripture that address the role of women in the local assembly will fall into place. For example, one will understand what Paul meant when he commanded women to "keep silence" in the local church (1 Cor. 14:33-34). One will also understand why the proscriptive nature of the Pastoral Epistles declares that a pastor/bishop/elder must be "the husband of one wife" (1 Tim. 3:2). The reader of the Pastoral Epistles must understand that Paul is giving direct, divine revelation concerning the roles and behavior of men and women in the local church, and women and men both possess certain ministries and responsibilities to fulfill. However, the woman is forbidden from preaching, or authoritatively proclaiming the truth of the Word of God, to men in a local assembly of believers. Today, this authoritative proclamation of the Word of God would include any form of pastoral ministry or the holding of any ordained office. The reasons for this divine injunction stem from God's prescribed order in creation, in the family and in the local church. 1 Like |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by babygirlfl: 11:19pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
bukatyne: Sorry I had to bring this here. I just saw the part where you said sexist God. I think you got me wrong. I said I think the bible is sexist. I also said christaianity and feminism do not go together. I do not mean God is sexist. I believe there is God and I believe in him. What I do not believe in is the bible and christianiy. I was born a christian but the more I read the bible, the more I believe that men wrote it and that the bible reflects the patriarchal society that existed at the time it was written. |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 4:56pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
babygirlfl: Hi Baby I get you now Hope you are enjoying the thread 1 Like |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by babygirlfl: 5:02pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
bukatyne: Yes. Interesting thread. |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 5:26pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
bellong: Thanks I get the laziness... @Women teaching/preaching/leading in the Church: I am not hung up on that because I believe that people are called to do it so if God does not call a woman, she should sit her butt. If you don't want me, why should I bother myself? @Bible saying women should not teach: I have read and I do not get that from the bible We have the likes of Priscilla (who preached in the Synagogue, John Mark's mother had a church in her home etc.). We also have women who did greatly for God (Kathryn Kulman, Anne Mc'Steeple) etc. Does it mean God did not call them? However, my stand is still in the first paragraph... I would worry more about not been able to vote than not been able to preach in Church. That's just me |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bellong: 8:45pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
bukatyne: You didn't get the teaching aspect. They can teach others but not in the church when men are there. Kathryn Kulman and co that you listed all had evangelistic ministry/calling which was to bring in sheep into the fold. None of them had a pastoral or Apostolic ministry. The bible didn't forbid women from having or exhibiting the gifts of the spirit. |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 7:47pm On Apr 19, 2015 |
bellong: Priscilla taught Apollos ( a man). You mean women can teach men privately but cannot teach in a congregation of men? What about singing as per choirsters? I don't get the evangelistic stuff. They were the General Overseers of their church.... For example like Pastor Adeboye (head of RCCG) is now? So sorry for the late response. How was your Sunday and family? Your diet wan kill me! |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bellong: 4:01pm On Apr 21, 2015 |
bukatyne: Priscilla taught Apollos? A man mighty in scriptures? Priscilla's house was used as a local assembly at the time. Women can express the gifts of the Spirit in the church and can partake in other activities including joining the choir except teaching. Their calling was to be an evangelist not Apostles. The fact that great Grace was upon them in doing exploit led them to start a movement. The fact that they did it doesn't mean it was right. The diet is not easy but it is worth it. I hope after the diet, your husband will allow you to be going out because "na munching time always..." |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 4:03pm On Apr 21, 2015 |
bellong: I am mobile, will post the Bible verse I don't get the last paragraph. You mean sex? |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bellong: 4:12pm On Apr 21, 2015 |
bukatyne: Sister Bukky, there are many teenagers and infants here. Don't kwarupt our holy and innocent soul fah... |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 4:54pm On Apr 21, 2015 |
bellong: Lol! Was one supposed to abstain during the diet? If So, I Don fail |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bellong: 6:17pm On Apr 21, 2015 |
bukatyne: Abstinence is not part of the deal except you are on a personal retreat.. You no fail ooo, at least you dey add soluble protein from oga... |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bellong: 6:17am On Apr 22, 2015 |
Bukatyne, You were referring to Acts 18:26. The instruction was not single-handedly done by Priscilla, her husband, Aquila was there. It wouldn't be out of place to say Priscilla was more like offering supporting service. |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bukatyne(f): 7:43pm On Apr 24, 2015 |
bellong: Sorry just responding Sure? Priscilla's name was mentioned first. I am 100% it was for a reason The Bible guys don't sound like someone who would let such slide |
Re: The Stand Of Women In The Bible by bellong: 6:43am On Apr 26, 2015 |
bukatyne: Guess I have to apologize for late response too . I have been very busy. Priscilla's name came first in verse 18 when they went with Paul to Syria. This is to show probably the order of the sitting arrangement. In verse 26 where they took Apollos in, Aquila's name came first and madam Priscilla followed. Do you get it? |
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