aletheia:
My current employer pays me what is comensurate with my level as a consultant on conmess. The LASG signed an agreement with the doctors. It should honor it. Embittered folks like you who wonder why doctors should be paid their due remuneration can go and see a roadside mechanic next time they are ill.

Typical ill thought meaningless grand gestures that excite foolish Nigerians - the LASG has "sacked" its doctors signalling a collapse of its health system and you morons are busy applauding. . .the reason the LASG did that is because they do not care anything for the so-called masses. After all, should Fashola fall ill today, he's jetting off to Europe for treatment where almost certainly the same Nigerian doctors he 's refused to pay will be part of the health team treating him. But since you serially sodomized sycophants are suffering from Stockholm syndrome, you wouldn't understand that.

In any case, it will be interesting to see how you spin it when the LASG climbs down.

Na me you dey yab like this ? Anyways,I wont get personal with you because you are laready frustrated already probably you are one of the affected doctors or your folks are involved.No occupation has the monopoly of strike,why are doctors always in the frontline to embark on it ? Simple,because lives will be lost.Everybody knows the country is a failed one but the least we should tolerate is from doctors to aid mass murder all in the name of increased allowance.Why are they not opting for a compromise in all these but insist the government must pay them ? To attend or work for government is not obligatory.If they dont pay you well,go for the private sector or better still,vote for pdp in 2015.

afrodoc: unfortunate that most people coming here to post are very ignorant of the issues on ground.a good example is OK/2/NV whose brain (by his own admission) has been trying (and failing) to boot for sometime now
their services were crap? and the services of other states paying CONMESS were non-crap? these same lagos state doctors a good number of whom leave the country and have good careers outside the country?
ask urselves what made d services crap? d quality of d doctors themselves or the quality of equipment,drugs e.t.c made available by the state government?

They go abroad and are so eager to please their new white masters but can't have the fortitude, courage or will to change the system for the best.
Most of these state doctors work and/or own private practices. Am not caring the least about their welfare, because in the western world were most of them will be heading, the services to which they render within Nigeria will be considered criminal.
I am not also supporting LASG moves of sacking them but it's their state and they can screw it over as much as they want

bayooooooo:

Stop spreading ignorance!!!

What's the correlation between road and the stupi$dity of incessant strikes? are they being less paid than their counterparts in other states? Afterall, you are in a country where strike is even illegal in most states? People like you should know better than spreading ignorance.

In the first instance, why were the sacked? Do you follow the history of how they have been embarking on unreasonable strikes here and there? Does that make sense to you? Can you be more powerful than your employer? In your opinion, no matter what, the state government should have pander to their interest. The government should recruit young doctors who are ready to work.

Guy u're such a clown and I can bet it that u're not a professional....I'm a young engineer and I cn tell u that the experience I have is far different from the experience an engineer practicing for over 30 yrs will have and I'm sure it's the same for the medical profession. So r u telling me the Lagos State Govt shud sack all the consultants and Specialists (some with over 30 years experience) in the hospitals and replace them with doctors just fresh out of school. You must be kidding me. Two of my siblings are doctors and if u knw the level of brain drain Nigeria suffers even from young doctors to countries like bangladesh and trinidad and tobago u'll not be talking like this.

ALL men(at least d lucky ones) end up in a graveyard.it doesn't matter whether you see yourself as indispensable or not!
these doctors are fighting for what they think is their right,its not a matter of indispensability or not.......having said that replacing 1,000 experienced doctors who are used to seeing dozens of patients daily with a few hundred green horn doctors not used to handling such patient load is likely to have repercussions in the short term

What fashola did is remminiscent of the Unilorin 44,it cannot stand in the face of the law, it is condemnable, irresponsible and uncalled for. He said it is illegal to pay salaries fixed by FG to Lagos doctors but this is the same governor that is paying the salary that FG fixed for ASUU to LASU lecturers now! Is he saying that what is sauce for the goose is no longer sauce for the gander? This is a state where the house speaker collects N700m as "running Cost" per month o, this is a state that co-sponsored Jagaban's birthday to the tune of N2bn o, God will show all of us mercy in this country.

OK/2/NV:

must you post? stop embarrassing yourself!

Hahahha...my heart desire has been met, nothing you say Iƨ̣̣̣̇̇̇ of importance. Hahahahahahaha...make ℓ̊ go bath.

OK/2/NV:

must you post? stop embarrassing yourself!

Hahahha...my heart desire has been met, nothing you say Iƨ̣̣̣̇̇̇ of importance. Hahahahahahaha...make ℓ̊ go bath.

This was obviously one strike too many. The Govt. may have been too in her decision but then, what other option(s) were left? We are still walking in the dark ages in this country. If tax was the reason for the strike, it was most callous on the part of the doctors as they have continue to use the common man as the field they trample on in their incessant strikes. Methinks it was time the mad dog called strike was put under a short very short leash

blink182: ...make ℓ̊ go bath.

dirty negro

I THOUGHT WE WERE PRACTISING DEMOCRACY?
SO PEOPLE CAN NOT EXHIBIT THEIR RIGHTS ANYMORE..

Olalekan 0: What fashola did is remminiscent of the Unilorin 44,it cannot stand in the face of the law, it is condemnable, irresponsible and uncalled for. He said it is illegal to pay salaries fixed by FG to Lagos doctors but this is the same governor that is paying the salary that FG fixed for ASUU to LASU lecturers now! Is he saying that what is sauce for the goose is no longer sauce for the gander? This is a state where the house speaker collects N700m as "running Cost" per month o, this is a state that co-sponsored Jagaban's birthday to the tune of N2bn o, God will show all of us mercy in this country.

Bla bla bla go hold him shirt and stop speaking English here.

Oh great!
More excuse for even the local govt councillors to take your money and come to the UK for treatment.
The doctors will go to their private hospitals or finally leave the shores of Nigeria, afterall their services are better appreciated in saner countries.
The losers?well, most of those applauding the silly government, these folks along with their friends and families will be the victims.
Until people realise the politicians are their real enemies and not those demanding for their dues, you'll be the footmat in this titanic battle and unfortunately the only losers.

Lagos state govt shud consider d doctor, i tink a situatn lik dis cn b resolve by appointin a line breaker who are going 2 work as lagos state govt as did nw

12 inches!:


Guy u're such a clown and I can bet it that u're not a professional....I'm a young engineer and I cn tell u that the experience I have is far different from the experience an engineer practicing for over 30 yrs will have and I'm sure it's the same for the medical profession. So r u telling me the Lagos State Govt shud sack all the consultants and Specialists (some with over 30 years experience) in the hospitals and replace them with doctors just fresh out of school. You must be kidding me. Two of my siblings are doctors and if u knw the level of brain drain Nigeria suffers even from young doctors to countries like bangladesh and trinidad and tobago u'll not be talking like this.

no the senior ones are not affected. its the junior ones from level 13 below. the ones that are still being taught themselves. Right now, doctors of level 14 and above who are now admin are the ones helping out patients.

If truly the doctors really care about the people and the well being of this state/nation then, they should have considered the patients they left on the beds and the health state of the people they are being paid to make well, rather than their selfish interest, asking for "consolidation" at the expense of the poor masses. God will Judge Them.

Politicians aя̩̥̊ε̲̣̣̣̥ rotten, doctors want τ̅☺ be rotten too by all means possible. I'm S̴̩☺̩ sure the spouses of the sacked doctors aя̩̥̊ε̲̣̣̣̥ telling them this now. 'baba/mama Kemi ℓ̊ told you Oº°˚˚˚°h, all these sitting at home will result in something bad Oº°˚˚˚°h'

reindeer: Oh great!
More excuse for even the local govt councillors to take your money and come to the UK for treatment.
The doctors will go to their private hospitals or finally leave the shores of Nigeria, afterall their services are better appreciated in saner countries.
The losers?well, most of those applauding the silly government, these folks along with their friends and families will be the victims.
Until people realise the politicians are their real enemies and not those demanding for their dues, you'll be the footmat in this titanic battle and unfortunately the only losers.

Which abroad, that was in the olden days when we had proper university. In Canada today, it would take an Indian doctor at least 7 years of training in Canada by writing certification exams before he can be allowed to touch a patient not to talk of half baked naija doctors. They end up as lab technicians and assistant in hospitals here. Some even drive cabs. There is this popular saying in Canada that the best place to have an heart attack is in a cab.

This thread is now about egos

Kobojunkie:

Here's a simple question for you? WHAT IS TRUE FEDERALISM? Start by answering this simple question, and maybe then, you will understand how ridiculous what you suggest will happen above, under "TRUE" federalism really is.

I get that it is typical for Nigerians to throw around the particular term, but how many of you truly, for real, understand what true federalism means?? ROFLMAO

Here is a link to a thread that could help you understand the true reason behind the many calls for 'True Federalism', and how everyone seems to have their own unique idea of what what it means for them. https://www.nairaland.com/932298/what-exactly-true-federalism

Not all states have the means,to pay the federal wage, not to talk of incentives and bonus.
So,how do they cope?

Thank God me I didn't study medicine sha...Where I shud be expected to work free cos I am saving lives...I dnt also need to eat, send my children to school, build a house etc...Afterall I'm a doctor...Doctor's are not human beings. They're aliens... Tell me whether when you people want to build ur house or do ur drainage or water supply you won't pay me my money. Sack them all...Sack all the doctors....Sack all the consultants and specialists....Let us replace them with house officers.....while our politicians go for medical check ups abroad to be treated by the same Nigerian doctors they're unwilling to pay....Anyway Ƹ̴ no concern me....Afterall my father owns a private hospital and I get free treatment always....Na the pple wey no fit afford private hospital me I just dey pity.

princey83:

Which abroad, that was in the olden days when we had proper university. In Canada today, it would take an Indian doctor at least 7 years of training in Canada by writing certification exams before he can be allowed to touch a patient not to talk of half baked naija doctors. They end up as lab technicians and assistant in hospitals here. Some even drive cabs. There is this popular saying in Canada that the best place to have an heart attack is in a cab.

You are so ill informed.
I've been working in the Uk several years and every unit i have worked have taken new Nigerian doctors, 2 of my current SHOs in paediatrics are Nigerians, one was taken straight from LUTH(after passing his exams of course).
So my dear, forget the propaganda they're feeding you with. Any Nigerian Doctor worth his salt will have absolutely no problem working in the Uk and you can drown your inferiority complex.

~Bluetooth:

Na me you dey yab like this ? Anyways,I wont get personal with you because you are laready frustrated already probably you are one of the affected doctors or your folks are involved.No occupation has the monopoly of strike,why are doctors always in the frontline to embark on it ? Simple,because lives will be lost.Everybody knows the country is a failed one but the least we should tolerate is from doctors to aid mass murder all in the name of increased allowance.Why are they not opting for a compromise in all these but insist the government must pay them ? To attend or work for government is not obligatory.If they dont pay you well,go for the private sector or better still,vote for pdp in 2015.

I have worked in the public sector and I am currently in the private sector in the FCT.

The LASG is trying an old tactic from government's playbook which is very well known to those of us who have been active in demanding that doctors be paid their due remuneration. Before you get all emotional, do find out the answers to these questions:

1. Did the LASG enter into an agreement with the doctors to pay them or not?
2. Has the LASG fulfilled their own side of the agreement or not?

The purported "sack" is nothing but a bluff. Watch as doctors call the LASG's bluff and up the stakes. Mark my words: Fashola will blink first. In the ongoing struggle for just wages for doctors, history repeats itself as politicians across the country fail to learn the lessons of history: you can not break a doctors strike by "sacking" them. That move is guaranteed to escalate the confrontation.

Before doctors embark on a strike, they usually try all avenues to resolve the issues. Strike is always a last resort. No doubt Fashola has been stonewalling on the doctors demands believing that he can blackmail them with the "Hippocratic" oath.

[/quote]Saxywale, i cant but laugh at your stupidity.. I want to see were Fashola will see just 200 doctors to take the jobs. Ogun state pays 200k minimum, Oyo pays 210k, ondo pays 195k and all these states are with very little tax. You think doctors are silly? if they offer me 400k for that job, i wont take it. Do we look like slaves? All over the world doctors are the highest paid and they can afford basics. in Naija as a doctor you cant even send your children to the best school. They say doctors have more than one job. Have you ever seen any human being that likes to work like Jackal? if the rubbish salary they pay in government hospital is sufficient for their need will they take other jobs and be away from the comfort of their homes and children? If you go to the market and the market woman knows you are a doctor, your bill will quickly increase in 2 folds. But the govt can spend 3 billion for Jagaban Borgus birthday.Lagos state government doctors are the greatest slaves in the whole country. Fashola increases hospital size, declares free treatment and doesnt increase the work force. when doctors in other states do half of their jobs.

dejato, you have sickle cells in your brain. Learn how to pass you opinion or facts without swearing. If you had gone through my post, you would have seen its not firsthand information and I did mention that things might have changed. I am sure its the likes of you that make up your crazy union of heartless beings. Sun of a gun.

1 Like [quote][/quote]Ogun state pays 200k minimum, Oyo pays 210k, ondo pays 195k and all these states are with very little tax- what is the source of your statement?

2.All over the world doctors are the highest paid - how come a doctor is not among the top 50 richest people in the world? I live in GERMANY, DOCTORS are not as highly paid like their counterparts in I.T, Engineering and even MBAs[/color]
3.Fashola increases hospital size, declares free treatment and doesnt increase the work force - Another lie, 842 doctors were recruited by lagos ministry of health in the last three years.check the state website.[color=#990000]

aletheia:
Such a silly question. Next time you fall ill, go and consult a roadside mechanic. It is just such moronic opinions that are egging the LASG on. Let me tell you the next phase: watch as the doctors deploy the "nuclear" option and work becomes grounded in ALL hospitals both state and federal in Lagos; then you will know why doctors earn more all over the world and not just in Nigeria alone.

Pls get over your high horse.
Doctors earn high quite alright,but they are not the highest earners in the world.
Some Engineering fields earn far higher.
Get your facts right!

Written by Muda Oyeniran, Lagos
Saturday, 28 April 2012

DOCTORS ON LEVEL 14 BELOW ARE THE ONES ON STRIKE, THE JUNIOR ONES.No fewer than four lives had been lost as the strike declared by the Lagos doctors under the aegis of the Medical Guilds entered its fifth day today, Saturday Tribune has gathered.

According to hospital sources, two people lost their lives on Tuesday at the Lagos Island General Hospital while two corpses were said to have been moved out of the Accident and Emergency Unit of the Lagos State University Teaching Hospital(LASUTH) on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, the Lagos state government has started recruiting new doctors to replace the striking ones in order to prevent needless loss of lives.

The chairman, Medical Advisory Committee to the Lagos State governor, Dr Ore Falomo, who disclosed this at a press conference on Friday, said more than a quarter of the striking doctors were newly recruited by the state.

He accused the doctors of being inconsiderate, disrespectful and fraudulent, saying that their perpetual strike actions were capable of putting the medical profession which respects the sanctity of human life into disrepute.

“There will be replacement of the striking doctors in our hospitals. The NYSC doctors will be deployed to hospitals to take care of emergency services while doctors in private practice will provide free medical services in public hospitals in the state free of charge. The striking doctors should stop playing God,” he said.

“We are not justifying strike or no strike, but this is a noble profession that has to do with lives and this is why we are saying that there are better ways to achieve their aims and objectives instead of embarking on strike at the slightest opportunity.

The body also advised that henceforth, there should be an undertaking by House Officers and Resident Doctors not to engage in strike actions.

“We believe Medical Doctors should be guided by the Hippocratic Oaths sworn to and exhaust all possible avenues for negotiation and lobbying without paralysing healthcare services in entirety,” he added.

Meanwhile, the Lagos State government, in a press release, noted that the doctors, on Tuesday, trooped to Island Maternity Hospital, where they disrupted services and, in the process, inconveniencing recuperating patients, in their attempt to stop some of their colleagues who refused to join their illegal action, before they were dispersed by security agencies.

According to the release, their major grouse with government was a frivolous demand for “Teaching Allowance” for House Officers, who are doctors-in-training, [/b]still being taught the practical aspects of the job to prepare them well for the challenges of the caring profession. House Officers will only be eligible to proceed on National Youth Service Corps based on their success at this Housemanship.

[b]The Doctors are also demanding an inconsiderate increase in their salaries without recourse to the other professionals in the public service system, despite currently receiving the full Consolidated Medical Salary Structure (CONMESS), by which the least paid among them (the House Officers), receive over N173,000.00 monthly

The government accused the doctors of exploiting every flimsy excuse to divert patients from government hospitals to their private clinics, most of which are located close to government hospitals under the guise of ill-conceived strike.

It assured the public that normalcy will soon be restored, stating that, death of citizens of Lagos will no longer be part of the culture of the health service.



http://tribune.com.ng/sat/index.php/front-page-articles/7230-doctors-strike-lagos-govt-recruits-new-doctors-as-strike-claims-4-lives.html[/quote]

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~Bluetooth:


Na me you dey yab like this ? Anyways,I wont get personal with you because you are laready frustrated already probably you are one of the affected doctors or your folks are involved.No occupation has the monopoly of strike,why are doctors always in the frontline to embark on it ? Simple,because lives will be lost.Everybody knows the country is a failed one but the least we should tolerate is from doctors to aid mass murder all in the name of increased allowance.Why are they not opting for a compromise in all these but insist the government must pay them ? To attend or work for government is not obligatory.If they dont pay you well,go for the private sector or better still,vote for pdp in 2015.

I concur. These doctors are acting like sour-puss.
They're never satisfied. Are they the only people working for the govt?
Should they hold the govt to ransom cos their work involves saving lives? What about the policemen/road safety corps and others who stand in the scorchin sun or work in adverse working conditions with meagre pay? Are they better than them?
Most of them own private hospitals and are not even bothered if the strike continues indefinitely.
Doctors are supposed to be compassionate and selfless but in Nigeria, it's the other way round.
If sacking them would help matters, then i'm in full support of what the govt is did.

Medical doctors are not more important than others,They should be sacked.Everybody cannot not be doctors (i mean optometrists,vet.drs,doctors of pharmacy,etc).In health field medical doctors are the most senseless individuals that want to grow but NEVER want others to grow.In anambra they went on strike for 11 months and went back to work when the governor did not listen to them.Though this should be the best move,they will start lobbying the state government.since u are not working,you should be sacked,they should know that when we dont have bread fruit (ukwa) we dont eat goat shit.we still survive.i support their sack in full

Honestly,a lot of ppl here are not objective and calling them names would only drag me down to their level.Lagos state uses their doctors like slaves and don't pay shit.as a medical student on a month's attachment to in x,I assisted 10 surgeries.I was a student,nt a yet doctor.the workload is just too much and d tax is the highest in the land.A pharmacy sales rep with GSK collects the equivalent of what a senior registar takes home + car and benefits.Truth is,doctors in Nigeria are poorly paid and yet,the society thinks we earn millions.Fashola sacked over a 1000 doctors and some of you here are jumping up for joy,forgetting that if he should fall sick now,he'll be flown to Isreal just like david mark.
state NMA may go on strike because a consultant in was kidnapped and a ransom of 100million is being asked for.is already on strike.Tell your governments to do the right thing and escalate the situation by spreading lies..

reindeer:

You are so ill informed.
I've been working in the Uk several years and every unit i have worked have taken new Nigerian doctors, 2 of my current SHOs in paediatrics are Nigerians, one was taken straight from LUTH(after passing his exams of course).
So my dear, forget the propaganda they're feeding you with. Any Nigerian Doctor worth his salt will have absolutely no problem working in the Uk and you can drown your inferiority complex.

They don't pay u much in the UK, do they? The so called locum part time doctors assistants calling themselves doctors. I bet u are dreaming and wishing u were practicing in north America but our standard here are high, we don't want quacks like u here in North America. The Nigerian German doctor that murdered his patient in th UK is still fresh in our memory. So UK doctors are not much different from naija doctors anyway.LOL

princey83:

no the senior ones are not affected. its the junior ones from level 13 below. the ones that are still being taught themselves. Right now, doctors of level 14 and above who are now admin are the ones helping out patients.

Like the seniors were not juniors in the past abi.....I sha hope u knw that doctors av one of the greatest mobility of labor in the world...... Sack 1000 doctors frm a system that lacks enuff doctor to patient ratio and coerce some doctors to cme and be 'forgiven' if they denounce the strike...Shebi it's Politics...Fashola clap for yasef

well i totally support lagos state Government on this one.

WHY CANT THEY STRIKE FOR NOBLE COURSE SUCH AS
INADEQUATE EQUIPMENTS
POOR FACILITIES

DOCTORS HAVE FORGOTTEN THE OATH THEY TOOK!!

I wish we all look at the LASG striking doctors from the fence so that we can more objective i want to say LASG doctors are turning to Nigerian Politician with the way they strike every now and then.The reason for the strike is more selfish than for the sake of the patients they are suppose to be treating, if we strike every time basically because of increase in wages dont we know that it will have its effect on the economy of the state when the average person that attends to the need of a doctor hears that they have incresed monthly take home aa doctor they tend to incease ccost of products to you. Another angle am looking at it is the issue of a clause in the ethics that guides their profession that is against this sort of strike so i will say if the state Government have calculated the cost analysis and feel its better thay can go ahead but on the other way round they should sit down and have a better and meaningful discussion.
Concusively i will say this catergorically that the striking doctors are being used to disterblise the peace of the state let us beware.