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Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by aljharem(m): 12:28pm On May 22, 2012
faithin9ja:

Mama Iyabo at Mende night market, sells tomatos of N3000 per night, all her market is not worth more than N20,000. where is her daughter going to work when she grows up? which type of education can she afford to give her daughter to get one of the few jobs in a bank or oil company, not a chance.

But her daughter can get a entry level job in companies like Wal Mart. There are not enough of these types of employers in Nigeria yet our population is growing. Nigerians will go to US and UK and work for these type of employers, do you think the millions of under-employed Nigerians would not love to work for these type of companies.

be there talking from the comfort of your London home, telling us Nigeria is not ready.

Open a branch of Mr Biggs in Owerri or Asaba and see the queue of people lining up looking for work, you don't see this from your 'lofty academic position' please move into the real world.

Gbbammm I agree but we don't need Walmart persay. A Nigerian owned would be way better
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by lumideezle(m): 12:31pm On May 22, 2012
bissalla: Whether walmart or Shoprite or what, I don't give a damn, as for us in Lekki Phase 1, its Ebeano Supermarket all the way. The guy who started in a duplex has opened the largest supermarket in the estate. With the opening of his new mega store, most Lekki Phase 1 residents are shying away from Shoprite cos Ebeano is cheaper.
I think we must encourage our own people to create jobs instead of bringing in these foreigners who will make our brothers and sisters slaves.

Ebeano all the way.

God bless u for this I was sooo proud when I saw the new supermart the guy has opened these are the kind of marts d Govt sld b helping 2 make dem stronger so as 2 attain walmarts level buh our senseless leaders prefers going abroad 2 bring in foriegners. Ask urself how many Nigerians have extremely successful businesses in the UK? How many can even get good Job. The truth is the govt has built a systems whereby their own plp enjoy FIRST then the remnants can b shared amongs immigrants. This country seriously needs help I'm tired !!
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by amosy007: 12:35pm On May 22, 2012
alj harem:

Thank you but I strongly disagree with you.

We have seen the difference between Foreign companies and Nigerian owned companies.

1. Having a Nigerian owned company does not only provide opportunity for highly skilled people to work as MDs etc but also gives the nation a sense of psychological pride which much needed now.

2. It also provides opportunity for Nigerian farmers to show case their products rather than the Walmart etc which are all imported.

3. It gives Nigeria the opportunity to invest in GM foods if they are going to mass produce these food. Of course we know (the company) knows that Nigeria is a sentimental society thus we don't eat GM meats (chicken beef etc) We want our meats to be 100% natural thus this would give opportunity for local farmers to look into that as well.

4. Walmart and co would not provide as much jobs as a Nigerian owned one. Reason being that the Nigerian owned would provide 10 times more if not higher than walmart.

Moreover in the jobs shops it would provide some cash for the students in their university or so.

Lastly having a Nigerian owned company provides jobs for Nigerians in diaspora as well. Thus the opportunities are endless if done right.

I think u are wrong ....though am. Against foreign companies exploiting Nigerians but that doesn't mean they are not highest employer of labour ....take Mtn vs glo as an example ...who employed more nigerian among the duo..... Look at dstv and hitv.... Look at SUMAL and FUMAN juice in ibadan.... Sumal employees are over 20 thousand while fuman doesn't have up a thousand .... Besides nigerian business men don't like to go into business they are not so sure of....they only need a eye opener ...and wallmart myt just be it
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by Nobody: 12:42pm On May 22, 2012
U know they still gon do it,so all dis yapping isn't going to change sh it..if u rili want to vent ur anger hit the gym.cos Naija is more talking less work
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by amosy007: 12:43pm On May 22, 2012
alj harem:

Gbbammm I agree but we don't need Walmart persay. A Nigerian owned would be way better

Now that we don't have any nigerian that looks that way...don't u think it will be wise to give wallmart a chance atleast to open their eyes.......huh?

If not for mtn and econnet...adenuga might not have thot of given nigerians glo

If not for dstv I don't think there will be anything hitv today..thatsp
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by bittyend(m): 12:44pm On May 22, 2012
faithin9ja:
Sorry but your arguement is confused, how does the standard of living improve? by government handing over cash to the population? Mama Iyabo according to you is one of the people Wal Mart will kill off. I am explaining to you how Wal Mart helps Mama Iyabo and you say you don't care.

We need more big employers in Nigeria, we need more investment. You sitting in London how much have you invested in Nigeria? how many people have you employed? As I said earlier, my company is a supplier to Shoprite and Game and I know how many I employ because of these supply contracts.

Continue to preach the 'politics of socialism' from the comfort of your room in Barking or Ilford, whilst real people are doing the their 2 kobo for Nigeria

I'm not preaching socialism, but extreme capitalism is not the way.. Europe, and America are in a deep because of extreme capitalism... The fallacy that big corporations can solve job problem is faux - and it has been proven wrong in both Europe and America...

We need to industrialize by growing our own indigenous manufacturing companies - before inviting large corporations to kill them off before they even started... UK is doing the same thing right now, so why should we embrace something they're trying to discard??

Walmart is china - and we can't compete with china.. The almighty America can't even compete with them.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by redsun(m): 12:44pm On May 22, 2012
Walmart in an economy that haven't taken off.That woman is senseless and heartless capitalist if she is in support of that.They are coming as colonizers and that is of no benefit to nigerians,whatsoever.

Same thing they did to the caribbean islands,like jamaica.They fcked the indigenous businesses up with cheap and highly subsidized american produce,down to even toothpick.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by aljharem(m): 12:50pm On May 22, 2012
amosy007:

I think u are wrong ....though am. Against foreign companies exploiting Nigerians but that doesn't mean they are not highest employer of labour ....take Mtn vs glo as an example ...who employed more nigerian among the duo..... Look at dstv and hitv.... Look at SUMAL and FUMAN juice in ibadan.... Sumal employees are over 20 thousand while fuman doesn't have up a thousand .... Besides nigerian business men don't like to go into business they are not so sure of....they only need a eye opener ...and wallmart myt just be it

Yes an eye opener but now that there eyes are already opened why can't they take off. GLO employs more then MTN if I am aware. Also GLO give Nigerians the opportunity to be MDs etc unlike MTN who employ Nigerians as the grass root workers. (I hope I am correct).

Take a look at Dangote, Dangote remain one of the highest employer of labour in Nigeria as an individual company. Dangote is indigneous as well
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by aljharem(m): 12:51pm On May 22, 2012
amosy007:

Now that we don't have any nigerian that looks that way...don't u think it will be wise to give wallmart a chance atleast to open their eyes.......huh?

If not for mtn and econnet...adenuga might not have thot of given nigerians glo

If not for dstv I don't think there will be anything hitv today..thatsp

Oh I see you point clearly. true talk my brother

But as the case of walmart, I think it would not give others the opportunity to compete with them on fair grounds. But I see your point
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by adorebee(f): 12:54pm On May 22, 2012
I vent been to Walmart,bt I ve heard so mch about,and read abt I too.NEvertheless,A̶̲̥̅♏ a afull blooded nigerian Economist and I knw that with our large populatio,nigeris is a very big market,that wld patronize anything u bring out to sell no maata hw small.I mean u must see pple to buy.Yes,Walmart is very very big,bt then I dnt think it wld pose a serious challenge to our economy.Nigerians atitude,differs from that of americans.Also,our road network is very bad(a journey of ,so if wallmrat is nt close to ur location,u buy it from the̶̲̥̅̊ next available store afterall,its the̶̲̥̅̊ same thing SIMPLE!,and bet me,it can only function in LAG,PH and abuja.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by question(m): 12:56pm On May 22, 2012
Basic economics:
If the foreign investor cannot increase exportation of NIGERIAN good and services...or reduce importation of FOREIGN goods and services, then it is a just another fiasco.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by obowunmi(m): 12:59pm On May 22, 2012
WALMART IS BAD for Nigeria...... Not worried, I hope Boko Horam bombs them away. grin grin grin

If you don't like something in Nigeria, you BOMB away.

1. Walmart doesn't create jobs
2. Walmart orders goods from CHINA
3. Walmart has no vested interest in Nigeria's development
4. They are only there to turn Nigerians into CONSUMERS.
5. Walmart will NEVER be good for any part of Africa.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by amosy007: 1:05pm On May 22, 2012
alj harem:

Oh I see you point clearly. true talk my brother

But as the case of walmart, I think it would not give others the opportunity to compete with them on fair grounds. But I see your point

I want u to read this post by one Nigerian in diaspora

www.usafricaonline.com/2011/06/28/ken-okorienigerians-may-be-last-to-notice-new-viable-nigeria/
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by question(m): 1:24pm On May 22, 2012
On second thoughts, if the Nigerians are smart, they can be the next potential china. The government can tell Walmart: Why import from China when cheap labor and raw materials are available in Nigeria . And sooner or later the factories will start springing up here and there.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by kcjazz(m): 1:29pm On May 22, 2012
Walmart is already in Nigeria via ownership of Massmart which inturn owns the Game. For me it is a win/win for our infrastructural development and the businesses
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by Butoneday2(m): 1:30pm On May 22, 2012
Say no to Wal-mart, no to wal-mart dis is d problem of South-Africans, wen i was dia 2002-2008, i culd not sel y because of wal-mart infact ppl wit smal business are cryin evryday, retailers lik me den where in big mess. We don't need dem hia if dey eventualy enta were,re gone. Tank God fo my life sha, i don't recova back hia in 9ija. No place lik 9ija in terms of bsiness....
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by Nobody: 1:30pm On May 22, 2012
Their operating cost won't allow them be profitable or drive local retailers out of business. So they would likely be packing their bags after 2 years. Good move in my opinion considering the employment it will create. Park and shop, shoprite and co haven't driven local retailers out of business. So I doubt Walmart will be able to do so
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by manny4life(m): 1:32pm On May 22, 2012
Knowing how much I've supported Walmart's strategy, however, in this one, I would say NO. Walmart is BAD for Nigerian economy, what they are doing is continuing the cycle of importing that we're trying to limit. Rather than Walmart coming to Nigeria to setup stores, how about they locate one of their manufacturing bases in Nigeria for a few of their generic products? Also, in another view, I do believe that they won't be able to compete enough being that the average Nigerian consumer bargains/negotiate for price rather than a stipulated price.


Madam NOI, I do not agree with you on this one...Biko, this is WRONG investment policy.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by Butoneday2(m): 1:37pm On May 22, 2012
For Okonjo-Iweala that Busy-body senseless i.d.i.o.t.s shuld get herself a job. No wouder she fail last month as world-bank presido cos she's senseless?
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by buildelicool(m): 1:46pm On May 22, 2012
Sincerely, i wouldn't blame NOI for welcoming Walmart to Nigeria,my reasons are:
-If you compare price of goods in US and other countries as seen on eBay and other market sites you will agree that Nigerians traders are exploiting us.
-Made China products are still better than made in Nigeria goods.
-Bringing Walmart i think will enhance creativity and healthy competition.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by AfroBlue(m): 1:49pm On May 22, 2012
Recently posted this information on another thread.

no country can compete with products being produced by slave labor.


Tell China to stop slave labour

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/westview/tell-china-to-stop-slave-labour-138701239.html

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, on his trade mission to China next week, should ask China to stop exporting the products of slave labour to Canada and to shut down its extensive network of slave labour camps. He should propose an arrangement with China to attempt to ensure that this happens.

China engages systematically in forced labour in all forms of detention facilities -- prisons that house sentenced criminals, administrative detention for those not yet charged, and "re-education through labour" camps.



Near Slave Labor Sweat Shops in China Lead to Worker Suicides

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2010/06/30/near-slave-labor-sweat-shops-in-china-lead-to-worker-suicides/


Apple (and America’s) Chinese Slave Labor Problem

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/karl-denninger/2012/01/23/apple-and-america-chinese-slave-labor-problem#





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF8jUDzz5bE
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by AfroBlue(m): 1:53pm On May 22, 2012


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This week in slavery





chinaslaveminesfactory.jpgThe recent rescue of 31 slaves from a brickworks factory in Shanxi province last week shocked the entire country, and with good reason—these people were forced to work under what are, for the 21st century, unthinkably inhuman conditions. But for an estimated one thousand children still trapped in the mountains of Shanxi, the nightmare continues.

But now, people are fighting back. 400 Chinese fathers sent out a cry for help on the internet, hoping for information that would help them recover their kidnapped sons. They scraped enough money together to rescue some of the children, mostly those that, like the men, were Henanese. The slave children from other provinces have not been as lucky.

An editorial (in Chinese) asks the question of where the responsibility for all this lays. The kids were forced to work 14 hour days without rest. Their meals consisted solely of mantou (steamed buns) and cold water, and had to be finished in fifteen minutes. They slept in a locked room, on the floor, with thugs and dogs patrolling the outside. And they did this in a factory that was 20 miu big and in plain sight from the neighboring villages. The question is not why this situation exists, but why and how it could have existed this long. 1.5 years—that's how long those people were in there before being rescued.

Of course, the answers aren't too hard. First, it's hard to find out where your child might be. There are thousands of such factories and mines in the area. Secondly, there is non-cooperation or even interference from the local authorities. The 400 fathers said in their internet posting that local police often held an attitude of the kidnappings happened in Henan—go report it there. If a father managed to find his child, only that child would be freed—meaning, again, each father would have to individually find their child. Considering this, it's really no wonder that they decided to band together and issue a plea for help on the internet.

The only way that the situation could get any worse is if the slave-drivers are the authorities, which was virtually the case with Wang Binbin, the owner of the factory, who is the son of Caosheng Village Party secretary.

Other reports we've read indicate that the rooms where the slaves slept was destroyed and the thugs and dogs have all disappeared. Hongdong prefecture, where the factory was located, has offered an official apology and given each rescued worker a whopping 1000 yuan in compensation. The original "price" of each slave is 500 yuan.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by Nobody: 1:57pm On May 22, 2012
nwanna89: Their operating cost won't allow them be profitable or drive local retailers out of business. So they would likely be packing their bags after 2 years. Good move in my opinion considering the employment it will create. Park and shop, shoprite and co haven't driven local retailers out of business. So I doubt Walmart will be able to do so

Are you sure about that? Wal Mart has the economy of scale that would make it impossible for any mom and pop shop in Nigeria to compete with them, even large retailers are closing shops when Wal Mart comes to town. They are massive and they have money.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by Butoneday2(m): 2:28pm On May 22, 2012
''Okonjo-Iweala said that wal-mart is coming to nigeria good or bad? Just as simple as a.b.c. The ans is; (BAD). Next question pls?
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by Samxiulee: 2:28pm On May 22, 2012
aasog1: Walmart will create employment, but it would still be exploitative like it is in the US.
A friend who worked with them in PA, confessed he gets $7.40 per hour, amidst the presence of strong labor union unlike here where labor easily compromises.
So payment would definitely be peanuts, and the hours would be long and horrible. But consumers will benefit, as there would be higher influx of cheaper products.
I dont know why NOI thinks bringing Walmart to Nigeria is an achievement. The chain of value would be like MTN. 5% of their Net Profit and ROI stays in Nigeria, the rest 95% flows back to the US.
But anyways, shes doing something atleast grin
I don't think its a bad idea to bring in a foreign firm into the country,where I have problem with the idea is regulations,all the big multinationals should be compled to sell atleast 60 per cent of their share holdings,this will make us retain 60 per cent of the money they are currently taking to their country,in our economy,it will also stablise the naira.Caution should be taken to make sure that our money bags don't hijack the management of the company,that should be left in the hands of the foreign investors.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by Butoneday2(m): 2:30pm On May 22, 2012
But_one_day: ''Okonjo-Iweala said that wal-mart is coming to nigeria good or bad? Just as simple as a.b.c. The ans is; (BAD). Next question pls?
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by ak47mann(m): 2:54pm On May 22, 2012
i think nigeria is not ready for a big company like wallmart becuse smaller retailers will surely lose out.......................
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by Nobody: 2:57pm On May 22, 2012



And why we're at it, let's kuku close down all the small businesses in that area.
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by martinosi: 3:12pm On May 22, 2012
Okonjo-Iweala will soon be removed from office never to take a political
appointment in Nigeria again plus wal-mart will not smell nigeria's shores...
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by martinosi: 3:16pm On May 22, 2012
igbo2011: Ngozi Okonjo Iweala Said Wal-mart Is Coming To Nigeria, Good Or Bad?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0I6m8LEXm4

Go to 4:18 on the video. What do you think about this?

I think it is a BAD idea. They will come to Nigeria and import almost everything from China then they will export their revenue out of Nigeria. This will drain the foreign exchange of Nigeria. This is very bad news, we must not allow this to happen. It will also destroy the local economies and will leave thousands of people out of jobs. Wal-Mart will have prices lower than most market so the markets will go down.

It would only be good if 90% of the things sold at Wal-Mart are made in Nigeria.

Wal-Mart is in China but everything is made in China so it is good. But it wouldn't work in Nigeria IMO.

Even India doesn't want Wal-Mart.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltu5M5ycpmc


THIS IS THE RESULT OF WAL-MART & IS FELLOW BROTHERS - TESCO SMALL BIZNESS SUFFER!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4s8k6bp8o8
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by martinosi: 3:17pm On May 22, 2012
igbo2011: Ngozi Okonjo Iweala Said Wal-mart Is Coming To Nigeria, Good Or Bad?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0I6m8LEXm4

Go to 4:18 on the video. What do you think about this?

I think it is a BAD idea. They will come to Nigeria and import almost everything from China then they will export their revenue out of Nigeria. This will drain the foreign exchange of Nigeria. This is very bad news, we must not allow this to happen. It will also destroy the local economies and will leave thousands of people out of jobs. Wal-Mart will have prices lower than most market so the markets will go down.

It would only be good if 90% of the things sold at Wal-Mart are made in Nigeria.

Wal-Mart is in China but everything is made in China so it is good. But it wouldn't work in Nigeria IMO.

Even India doesn't want Wal-Mart.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltu5M5ycpmc


THIS IS THE RESULT OF WAL-MART & IS FELLOW BROTHERS - TESCO SMALL BIZNESS SUFFER!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4s8k6bp8o8
Re: Walmart Nigeria: Good Or Bad Idea? (Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala) by Novice1(m): 4:02pm On May 22, 2012
bissalla: Whether walmart or Shoprite or what, I don't give a damn, as for us in Lekki Phase 1, its Ebeano Supermarket all the way. The guy who started in a duplex has opened the largest supermarket in the estate. With the opening of his new mega store, most Lekki Phase 1 residents are shying away from Shoprite cos Ebeano is cheaper.
I think we must encourage our own people to create jobs instead of bringing in these foreigners who will make our brothers and sisters slaves.

Ebeano all the way.

which one be ebeano again? I live not far frm lekki phase one and dont know of its existence.

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