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Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 12:03am On Aug 10, 2013
mazaje:
The claim that prophet Mohammed was an illiterate is ONLY a muslim claim...
you wish.
it's a historical fact...BUT if you can prove he could, when/where he studied, who his teachers were then you may have something.

mazaje: to dispel the fact that most of the stories were copied from the Jews and christians. . .It is only a muslim claim. . .
give me an example of a COPIED story.

mazaje:
The Koran as wWaterlooe know it was not even put together by Mohammed, it came after he died, so i really do not know what you are talking about, muslims claim he recited it, but he did NOT write the koran that we have today it came after he died. . .
Wrong again.

the Qur'an was written down during his lifetime. every word. not only that it was committed to memory in its entirety by many. it was only compiled as a single
volume after his death

mazaje:
This is no different the christian tradition that claims the disciples of Jesus wrote the gospels, it remains a muslim tradition and that's all. . .

wise man once said: nothing leads us to blunder more than illogical comparisons.

mazaje:
What was written in the koran is not a radical departure from Galen, it is different from it but not a radical departure and even the koran got it wrong as well. . .


that's your opinion.

the Qur'an didn't get it wrong. you could read this:
http://www.islamicwritings.org/quran/medical-miracles/does-the-quran-plagiarise-ancient-greek-embryology/

www.hamzatzortzis.com/research/embryology-in-the-quran/

here's another thing: the same 7th century unlettered, non space explorer Prophet (pbuh) knew that while the sun actually produced light, the moon's light was merely reflective.

is that extraordinary?
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 11:57am On Aug 09, 2013
mazaje:

Greek philosophers that lived like a thousand years before the koran was written have made very incredible predictions about the cosmos. ..Example Democritus stated that the stars contain other worlds and now we just found out that the stars actually have planets revolving round them. . .Does that means his statement was inspired by the geek god Zeus?. . .

Is this all you have?. . .Keep joking. . .

the Prophet (pbuh) wasn't a philosopher, astronomer or scientist of any kind. the man could not even read or write.

here's another: the same 7th century unlettered Arab (pbuh) brings forth profound revelations on embryo development again confirmed by 20th century scientists.

and keep in mind that not only were his revelations a radical departure from prevailing knowledge at the time ( ancient Indians, Hippocrates, Aristotle, Galen, and Jewish scriptures) they were also accurate.

is that extraordinary?

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Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 4:00am On Aug 09, 2013
mazaje:

Ever heard of the statement that extra ordinary claims requiring extra ordinary evidence?. . .You claim is extra ordinary, saying that the creator of the universe wrote a book is an extra ordinary claim and you need to back it up with extra ordinary evidence. . .If the creator of the universe will ever write a book and will want any body to know about it then every body will be born naturally with the knowledge of the book, he won't reveal it to some arabic man in some cave. . .The islamic story remains a story and that is it..no evidence nothing at all, just them say them say. . .
here is something: a 7th century Arab declares that the universe is expanding. keep in mind that this was something scientists only "discovered" 1,300 years later in the in the 20th century after the invention of the hubble.
is that extraordinary?
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 10:55am On Aug 08, 2013
^^^ you had no such evidence either but it didn't stop you trying to hoodwink with your bogus argument. yet you're trying to hold me to an impossible standard: you want 1400 year old video recording...SMH


....but come to think of it, maybe he meant 6 million pagan. that I can believe. smiley
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 10:30am On Aug 08, 2013
mazaje:
I admit it might be all a lie. . .Since there isn't any evidence to show that 6 million people actually convert every year. .

this is ridiculous!
then why were you making an argument with it?!?
did you think people will just take your word for it?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Happy Eid Mubarak To All Muslim Brother And Sister by F00028: 2:37am On Aug 08, 2013
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Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 10:11pm On Aug 07, 2013
mazaje:

And you were there when the almighty was stating it in the koran or where you indoctrinated since childhood to accpet the koran as the words of the almighty?. . .Provide evidence that the creator of the universe wrote a book, by evidence i mean video evidence. . .Tale by moon light kind of stories of they said, he said an angle appeared will not do. . .In fact that does not even count as evidence. . .



Just as there is no evidence that Mohammed received any recitation from any angle. . .If you have a video evidence of an angle reciting the koran to Mohammed please bring it on else remain quite and stop talking of evidence of absence of evidence. . .



Yeah, yeah, we know Mohammed ascended into paradise on the back of a wing horse from the masjid in Jerusalem. . .Only that the evidence is a story. . .



Yup he cited some study and research that was made by his group. . .

smiley oh really now?

and were you there when his group was actually conducting this study and research or where you indoctrinated since childhood to accept anything anti-Islam?

"Provide evidence...by evidence i mean video evidence. . ."

do you have video evidence of these 6 million Muslims converting? if you do please bring it or else stop talking, period.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Eid Mubarak!!! by F00028: 9:28pm On Aug 07, 2013
deols:

You all dont need to rub it in abeg. He said he was anxious ni.

it was a serious matter.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Eid Mubarak!!! by F00028: 8:48pm On Aug 07, 2013
is anyone forcing you to stay?

...and if that's how you really feel about it, I fear you may just be wasting your time anyways
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 8:41pm On Aug 07, 2013
Emusan:
Is it not because your Quran against it that's why you too also in support?
? ? ? ? ? ?

Emusan: So it's their and yours business to know who was crucified.
no, it is not
our business is, Jesus, the Christ, the Son of Mary was not crucified
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 8:20pm On Aug 07, 2013
mazaje:
That is what the koran tells you and you simply believe it. . .According to the bible he was crucified. . .Your only evidence to show that Jesus was not crucified is the koran

you're right there. if God Almighty states it in the Qur'an, its all the proof I need.

but that's not all. further proof that Jesus was not crucified is that: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS CRUCIFIED.

mazaje:
and the evidence the christian have is the bible. . .Book are religious book of faith. . .Stop talking about facts because it is not a fact that Jesus was not crucified. . .
try this: there is a challenge to anyone who can take all accounts of the resurrection in the four gospels, Acts, and 1 Corinthians 15, and write a single narrative in which he includes every event and detail mentioned in the separate accounts and do so without omitting anything or injecting inconsistency, contradiction, or purely speculative materials into the narrative.

mazaje:
According to Al-Jazeerah’s interview with Sheikh Ahmad Al Katani, the president of The Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity...
I dont have time to watch your video...but
if your man above stated his evidence for his fantastic claims please point me to it.

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Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 9:14am On Aug 07, 2013
mazaje:

I wonder why muslims keep doing this nonsense. . .The other day tbaba was trying to use the bible to say that barabas was the person that was sentenced to be killed not Jesus according to the bible. . . I was shocked. . .

sadly, that's one mistake a lot of Muslims make.

it not their business to prove who was crucified instead, or even if there was ever a crucifixion. the fact of the matter is Jesus the Christ, the son of Mary was not crucified or killed.


btw where is this happening?
mazaje:

What about the many muslims that have also converted to Christianity and are still converting ion large numbers?. . .
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 4:04am On Aug 07, 2013
@enilove, @vickyO,
dey there dey deceive unaselves
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 3:57am On Aug 07, 2013
vickyO:
OMG are you kidding me.... so shallow is your explanation of the Word of God and I'm in no mood to enlighten you.....
according to mahdino, pastors, prophets and other Men of God are spirit..... that's shows your level of intelligence.

that's what the bible says undecided
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 8:38pm On Aug 06, 2013
basilico: Madhino says Jesus called out eli which sounds like allah on the cross...
Your bible says that.
I believe the words are:

"Eli eli lema sabachthani" mt. 27:46

problem is, that is hebrew. and your scholars say Jesus Christ spoke aramaic. so if Jesus was on the cross, and if cried "God" then he used, "Alah" (arabic: Allah).

imagine that: the Son at the most critical time of his life calls out to a false deity and not the Father.

go figure.
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 6:08pm On Aug 06, 2013
basilico: @mahdino You say Jesus called out Allah on the cross Yet your quran says that Jesus was not crucified?
Pastor Kun:
Don't mind the hypocrite, I am sure he knows within his self that the quoran is not a credible source of information.

YOU say he was crucified. YOU say he cried to God on the cross...and "Alah" is the aramaic word for "God".
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 8:44am On Aug 06, 2013
enilove:
Am pleading to any muslim that is reading this thread to please forsake this arabian idol called Allah...
if that is so then your current saviour was calling on an arabian idol on the cross because Alah is the aramaic word for God (Arabic: Allah) and you say he called out to God before he was killed on the cross.

so since you say Allah/Alah is a false deity, well.....

( image: W.E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger, William
White Jr., Vine's Complete Exposition
Dictionary , Thomas Nelson Publishers,
Nashville, TN, 1996)

Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 8:26am On Aug 06, 2013
enilove:
I had arguments with the Jehovah witness on many issues regarding Christianity telling them the lies we were told, like saying that Jesus said he was going to send muhammed as a comforter.
I was surprised when they opened the Bible and we read John 14:16-17 KJV
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

They asked me whether muhammed was a spirit and was not seen by his followers as at that time physically walking with them as a human being..

did you and them also read 1 John 4 (KJV)?

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

are prophets spirits too?
Religion / Re: The Reasons People Convert From Christianity To Islam by F00028: 4:42am On Aug 06, 2013
Pastor Kun:

I just remembered that lying to promote the cause of Islam(taqiya) is permissible for muslims...

you have proof of this?

or is it your 2 Corinthians 12:16 kicking in, pastor? ? ?
Health / Re: Food As Medicine: What To Eat To Cure Everything From Anxiety To Dull Hair by F00028: 4:31am On Aug 05, 2013
what about the dull hair?
Religion / Re: Increase In The Pastor's Caught In The Act by F00028: 8:56am On Aug 03, 2013
by their fruits ye shall know them...
Politics / Re: Major Robbery Averted In Rivers, With Heavy Heavy Arms And Amunations Recovered by F00028: 5:03pm On Jul 29, 2013
if this was in the north it would read "terrorist attack averted"
how can they tell the difference with the current crisis in the state?
Foreign Affairs / Re: Gay People Should Not Be Judged Or Marginalized-pope Francis by F00028: 4:57pm On Jul 29, 2013
hasn't his God already judged them?
undecided
Religion / Re: Applying 2 Tim. 3:16 To The Rest Of The Bible by F00028: 5:36pm On Jul 24, 2013
^^^
shocked say what?
show from the OP where I accused the bible of anything?!?

truthman2012:

Note that this is not the first time you are bringing up this issue before you made it a thread now.
and you are blundering through it now like you blundered through it before.

bros, no be by force to comment o! undecided
Religion / Re: Applying 2 Tim. 3:16 To The Rest Of The Bible by F00028: 4:28pm On Jul 24, 2013
@truthman2012

you just have this uncontrollable urge to irrelevantly blabber, dont you? undecided
Religion / Applying 2 Tim. 3:16 To The Rest Of The Bible by F00028: 11:13am On Jul 24, 2013
what would happen if we were to apply the test of scripture in 2 Tim. 3:16 to the rest of the Bible?

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
A- for doctrine,
B- for reproof,
C- for correction,
D- for instruction in righteousness.

for example under which head will scripture like Judges 16:1 fall?

New Living Translation (©2007):
"One day Samson went to the Philistine
town of Gaza and spent the night with a
prostitute."


is it doctrine or instruction because it
doesnt contain any reproof or correction?

and what would be the fate of scripture that doesn't fit under any head?
Religion / Re: Religion And The Rights Of The Girl Child by F00028: 5:50pm On Jul 20, 2013
striktlymi:
You asked me a question about girls who are under sixteen. The last time I checked, a 13 year old is under 16 or do you prefer I take it a bit lower to 10?

now you're just trying to provoke me

striktlymi:
I want to believe you read the OP because the comment above is saying otherwise.

For the avoidance of doubt, here is an extract from the OP:



Hope you now understand that my question is perfectly in line with my OP?
for the avoidance of doubt this is your title:
"Religion And The Rights Of The Girl Child"

and as far as Islam is concerned girls have rights/privileges just like anybody else (education, property, who to marry, etc) but Islam is a way of life that also takes cognizance of male/ female different natures and makes appropriate prescriptions.

striktlymi:
I still await your answers to the questions I asked.

sigh! here goes:

- Is a 13 year old matured?
(again with the "13" )
maturity comes at different ages to different people.

-Will you permit a 13 year old to go on a
date? Or better still, will you permit your
13 year old boy child to marry a 45 year
old woman?
(13?)
going out on dates at any age isn't part of the Islamic culture and with marriage puberty is the determining factor.

-How is this misdirected? A 13 year old
having s*x with a 16 year old is not early
sex? Let alone a 50 year old having s*x
with a 13 year old?
its misdirected because marriage isn't the cause of early sex. younger and younger people are having sex outside marriage.
there are studies that will show you why young people are getting it on and its not because they are married!

-Are you saying that 13 year olds have both
mental and physical capacity to be
pregnant?
13 again!
a little google will show you girls younger than that are having babies and I doubt they are all "poor, voiceless, choiceless, Muslim girls"
Religion / Re: Religion And The Rights Of The Girl Child by F00028: 1:50pm On Jul 20, 2013
@striktlymi
why are you fixated on 13?

maturity come different people at different ages. then to arbitrarily fix it at a certain age doesn't make much sense.

and maybe where you come from its different but where I am at being married doesn't stop you from getting educated.

striktlymi:
... Or better still, will you permit your 13 year old boy child to marry a 45 year old woman?
I thought you started this thread to talk about the "girl child"
Religion / Re: Religion And The Rights Of The Girl Child by F00028: 10:53am On Jul 20, 2013
striktlymi:

Hi F000,

Below are some of the things I see wrong:

Maturity!
Right to choose!
Deprivation of basic education!
Early sex!
Early pregnancy!
Stolen childhood!

...and the list goes on.

Maturity?- mentally and physically this varies from person to person. some 15 year olds look and act like they're 20.
and I have seen girls in their 20s getting played like they were 13!

Right to choose?- if they have mental capacity they can choose. beside in Islam marriage for the girl is a family affair.
and its not like all those old "mature" women make all the stellar choices anyway.

Deprivation of basic education?- doesnt have to be


Early sex?- your criticism is misdirected. this is rampant already. or is it early sex in marriage that you have a problem with?

Early pregnancy?- mental and physical capacity!

Stolen childhood? -
Religion / Re: Is There In The Bible That Man Should Marry One Wife? by F00028: 8:33am On Jul 20, 2013
frosbel: One woman = you live till 90
Two women = you live till 70
Three women = you live till 60
Four women = you live till 40


smiley
I'll take option no. 3 please cool

who wants to live to be 90 anyway?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus And Muhammad by F00028: 8:28am On Jul 20, 2013
Mintayo:
Interestingly,you av just buttress my points that ANY MAN BORN OF A MAN OR D SEED OF MAN IS WITH SIN REGARDLESS...

you said: " D Bible says by their fruits u shall knw them... "
so am asking what kind of evil tree produced those pastors?


Mintayo:
Am sure u knw How Jesus lived His life-it is only in Jesus that we have hope!
May d Lord have mercy on you all!

if you want deliverance the you have to listen to Jesus Christ himself a little more closely because he taught you that your salvation lies in keeping the commandments, loving your neighbor as yourself, not changing the law etc,
and God is his witness.

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Religion / Re: Religion And The Rights Of The Girl Child by F00028: 8:17am On Jul 20, 2013
@ striktlymi
what exactly is wrong with a girl getting married under 16?
if you can, keep it short and to the point.

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