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Politics / Re: Despite Scarcity, Daily Subsidy On Petrol Hits N1.81bn by lorddeni: 7:09am On May 25, 2015
Pipsland78:
You can never satisfy Nigerians. When Jonathan, Minister of Petroleum and minister of Finance wanted to remove fuel subsidy, most people including APC attacked them and called them all sorts of names. Now you guys are seeing the after effect of non-removal of subsidy and you are still complaining and calling them names.

What do Nigerians really want!!!

What is wrong with people like you,are you just conditioned to suffer endlessly as long as a government appeals to ur primal instincts??

The 33 Naira subsidy removal then,pls explain to us what your ' Jonathan, Minister of Petroleum and minister of Finance ' have done with it in your area/zone. I live in Lagos & d only visible SURE-P project anyone knows is painting 3rd mainland bridge green & white.

2 eminent Nigerians{Chris Kolade & Gen. Agwai} invited to add credibility to SURE-P have left under a haze of controversy .

& this is d govt u want us to trust with such windfall-where d presidential villa has a billion food budget alone,a president who's bought more luxury private jets than any other in our history,dat not only pardons but enriches looters like Alams & subsidy thieves like Ifeanyi Ubah.

D Occupy protests were in January 2012- y has dere bn no single conviction of d subsidy thieves.If subsidy is to go fully,it was never going to be under GEJ without any shred of credibility to stand on. Subsidies didn't start under GEJ,what we should be asking is just how incompetent he's been to embolden oil marketers to not only pick d public till to their fill but to now become so empowered financially to totally cripple d economy because GE is owing them under a ridiculous no-risk template that includes compensating them for exchange rate differentials ad infinitum


& before people like u toe d line of GEJ bn treated ds way because he's from bayelsa/south-south/old eastern region & all,OBJ tried unsuccessfully severally to remove subsidy when it was at much more manageable 100-200 billion levls because local refining capacity is d root cause of all this so y wuld Jona's govt currently running a global record 90% recurrent expenditure budget on massive deficits having emptied tens of billions of dollars in reserves & d excess crude account accumulated by OBJ & UMYA with a record debt profile be trusted in any way to do d right thing with d windfall from removed subsidies?

If Buhari removes subsidies,it will be because he has built-up credibility & political capital to manage d Jonathan, Minister of Petroleum and potential savings well not because we just didn't like 'Jonathan, Minister of Petroleum and minister of Finance's faces.

PS:
If pple lyk u stay abroad btw,may d suffering u wish on poor Nigerians b yours

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Politics / Re: President Jonathan Missed The Point On The Missing N30 Trillion - Soludo by lorddeni: 4:35am On Feb 25, 2015
davitogreat:


use your head you stupid du.m.b.fu.c.k. DO you know how much 30 trillion naira translates to in dollars? That is 178 billion dollars over the past 4 years! That is 40 billion dollars a year. The federal govt does not even accrue near that much after oil sales and after oil drilling expenses and revenue sharing with states. S.t.u.p.i.d illiterate thinks its possible to steal 40 billion dollars a year and Nigeria will be still functioning. Not even the United kingdom would survive if 40 billion disappeared each year. Do you know what would happen to our banking sector if 40 billion went missing? Do you know what would happen to the inflation rate in the country if 40 billion went missing?

Its idiots like you that is the reason Nigeria is where it is today. Get this through your skull. Nigeria IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN A RICH COUNTRY. IT IS A POOR COUNTRY. ALL THIS USELESS MISSING SUMS OF 20 BIllion DOLLARS, 178 Billion Dollars AND 30 TRILLION NAIRA ARE JUST HOAXS SENT OUT TO FULL GULLIBLE UNEDUCATED NIGERIANS AS YOURSELF.

Beyond your making it obvious you're a paid hack and like most paid hacks, you have little need for logic, reasoning or facts beyond screaming grammatical error-strewn baseless insults garnished with barely-thought out points. Now get a glass of water and sit down to learn something today before your next paycheck at least...

First of all, a nation's budget doesn't necessarily reflect all national income for the period. All a budget is about is a statement of how much you hope to spend based on specific income lines. For example, all the years Obj was growing the Excess Crude Account, you ever heard it come up in the budget? Nope! Since the budget was tied to a specific oil-price level and everything above the stated level was diverted into the ECA. Or u ever heard of budgeting for the nation's foreign reserves to cite another obvious example.

The issue at hand is, particularly under this administration, so much inappropriate extra-bugetary manoeuvres have taken place from Dieziani's painfully fraudulent many oil deals, Okonjo-Iweala's discretionary import waivers, presidency-sanctioned globally-unparalleled oil theft, NNPC & other agencies fiddling with how much they remit to the national purse by claiming to deduct operational costs at source, world-record Petrol & Kerosene subsidy fraud and so on. An AU Commission report chaired by the internationally-renowned Thabo Mbeki has estimated about 6-7 trillion naira per annum got stolen within the last 4/5 years. You do your maths & Soludo's 30 trillion doesn't seem off the mark.

The trained chartered accountant who chairs the House Committee on Public Accounts, Hon. Adeola Olamilekan, has publicly come out to state that typically government income hovers around 20 trillion Naira per annum. And keep in mind this is a government that has borrowed massively {domestic & external debts} during a period of record oil prices, and you get to realise the figures being bandied about by the likes of Sanusi, Soludo & Mbeki are not as impossible as they seem at first glance. There's a reason Okonjo-Iweala hasn't jumped at the offer to debate and rubbish the prime threat Soludo, Oby & co have become to her legacy. Only last week! Ngozi herself was talking about how much of a challenge tackling corruption has been in this government.

A bit surprised you didn't touch on the PWC audit report on the NNPC your heroes Dieziani & Jonathan have been bandying about to claim the figures by Sanusi, Soludo & the likes are outwordly outrageous but I imagine your more enlightened cohort might want to bring that up as defense. Firstly, an audit report of a company by external auditors can only be based on what the company management allows the auditors to see- Chikena! It's why no external auditing firm was able to flag up the monumental fraud perpetrated by bank CEOs in 2009 before Sanusi went in with the mantle of the CBN. What should gall us all is that even for the part the NNPC,tightly guided by Dieziani, allowed PWC to go through, a whooping $1.4 billion was unremitted to the national purse.


PS:

I want to suggest Seun & the mods organise a sort of pre-election forum debate to focus on the real issues beyond the pedestrian punchlines that sadly dominate most of the discourse here this election cycle.

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Politics / Re: President Jonathan Missed The Point On The Missing N30 Trillion - Soludo by lorddeni: 7:53pm On Feb 24, 2015
davitogreat:
Now i am certain soludo is an i.d.i.o.t. Nigeria might have a 100 trillion naira economy but the government does not even have access to 10% of it due to our inability to create a solid tax base. There is no way the Nigerian government can mismanage what they cant even get their hands on in the first place. 90% of the funds our government has access too comes from NNPC. It is why Nigeria is considered a mono economy and why people have been calling for government to diversify her sources of income.

Fellows like you make one wonder if we even live in the same country So 'oil theft, money that ought to accrue to stock of foreign reserves, unbudgeted oil subsidy payments, customs duty waivers, leakages through the self-financing government parastatals, unremitted sums by NNPC, etc ...and other black pots' are out of the control of government abi?

Even if they are using you for this nonsense, at least use yourself for something that makes sense biko

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Politics / Re: Lagos IGR Now 75% Of State Budget...And IGR of each State by lorddeni: 5:36pm On Nov 26, 2014
phantom:


pray tell,what strings or weight is akwa ibom pulling??
Oga many people here are too intelligent for this your petty argument.
please tell me how a brand new stadium,library and cinema house will pay salaries in the akwa ibom civil service in coming months.
TV/Movies / Re: How I Got to the Hot Seat by lorddeni: 5:39pm On Aug 28, 2014
Interesting

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Business / Re: $10bn Chevron Escravos GTL Produces First Liquids by lorddeni: 4:22am On Aug 28, 2014
atlwireles: [b]

The Escravos GTL project had been severally delayed and capital expenditure on it is approaching $10 billion, according to Chevron.

This compares with the $1.2 billion that was spent on the 34,000 bpd Oryx GTL in Qatar, a similar project in terms of technology and capacity, which was inaugurated in 2006.

The Slurry Phase Distillate technology developed by Sasol and utilised at the Oryx project is also in use at the Escravos GTL project.

The cost differential between the Qatari project and the Escravos one for similar technology and capacity pretty scary tho and only serves to illustrate how much we lose by having an unfavourable business climate. Escravos GTL is not only 8 times more expensive but there's also a spare $400mil. Don't even want to imagine how much more could have been achieved with the $8.5billion if the right system was in place.

One only hopes the government and the IOCs use this GTL option to totally optimise the $2.5bn worth of flared gas annually.
TV/Movies / Re: Maupe Ogun Of Channels TV: What Is Happening To Her? by lorddeni: 3:23pm On Jan 10, 2014
isuomo: The young lady is single don't understand why anyone will wish miscarriage on her sad sad and she will turn 30 at some point this year enough time to get a husband if she is not already in serious relationship. Please leave her alone she is doing just fine in my opinion even if I detest the sunrise daily programme because of their rabid support for PDP. John Momoh sold out long ago and it is only in the last one year that people started seeing through Channels TV as a subtle supporter of the ruling party and maybe not so subtle if you watch Silverbird you are more likely to get a balanced view from both sides of the divide (please take time to watch Silverbird news at 10pm); Sunrise daily will constantly bring PDP apologists on their show and call them Public Affairs analyst and when it is 10pm the first 20 minutes is devoted to PDP and PDP news. Channels is no longer the objective station that was once the toast of the media.
Career / Re: Mckinsey First Round Interview by lorddeni: 2:11am On Jan 07, 2014
@ oneblacboi thanks for the help in trying to get through this.

I checked out the Roland Berger guys like you suggested but based on what I see on their local site, it seems one needs an MBA to apply. undecided

Pls could you expatiate on this asap. Thanks a lot chief!

Bet you're enjoying biz school after the Mckinsey experience

oneblacboi: I totally understand you as i felt this way too. The preparation process makes you a better person so much that you relish how much you would learn when you are in the company.

However, moving on from there you can apply to investment banks. Corporate finance/Investment Banking units are quite close to strategy consulting. And you can even try Roland Berger too.

Cheers!

Read my Mckinsey tales here

http://www.davidapaflo.com/2013/09/at-some-point-in-my-life-my-dream-was.html

http://www.davidapaflo.com/2013/12/my-mckinsey-story-part-2.html

http://www.davidapaflo.com/2013/12/my-mckinsey-story-part-3.html



Politics / Re: Obanikoro: Fashola’s Official Car Costs More Than Oduah’s Bulletproof Cars by lorddeni: 6:08am On Jan 03, 2014
Well, maybe you did not buy from Obanikoro's car assembly plant...Obaplant Ghana Ltd


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More like 'ko si koro, ko si rover' plant.

No proof, no invoicing, nothing and so many bandwagoners just jump on this.

The governor uses a 2010 Range in 2014 but haters like koro & co just have 2 feed the trolls around.

Never mind the agency he now chairs owes Nigerian students a record sum in IT allowances currently.

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Career / Re: Mckinsey First Round Interview by lorddeni: 6:47pm On Jan 02, 2014
More of a cry for help here actually.

Wrote d PST 5th September last yr, got invited 4 dinterviews about a month later. Got the feedback I didn't make it because in the words of one of the session interviewers, 'yl you were very impressive over the interview sessions, in the first business case interview, there was a little problem with your case structuring, so we will be letting you go.

I woke up the next day with all kinds of ideas on how I could have better handled the defective case structuring. Even got in touch with the HR department to know how soon I could reapply and got told in 2 years. Now the problem is this over the course of preparing for the PST and interviewe, I developed a unique deep fondness for the field of strategy consulting which just won't abate. Everyday, I think of what could have been if things had turned out out differently and I just can't move on to be totally honest. Pursuing jobs in other fields has little or no interest for me these days even 3 months after as I still feel Mckinsey is where I belong for optimal development of my abilities.

Any helpful tips would be most appreciated

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Politics / Re: Is GEJ Insinuating Obasanjo Killed Murtala Mohammed? by lorddeni: 10:54pm On Dec 24, 2013
The Middle belt covers present day Benue, Plateau &
parts of neighbouring northen states

What you probably mixed up with the Middle Belt is
the Old Mid-West whuch comorised present-day Edo & Delta

Adams–Bashforth:


Was Dimka from southern Nigeria?
Sports / Re: Brown Ideye: Nigerians Will See My Best In Brazil by lorddeni: 1:00am On Dec 24, 2013
The stats that tell why this guy has no business in brazil again

Brazil 2013 Confederations Cup:

33 Shots
0 on target
0 goals
Politics / Re: Is GEJ Insinuating Obasanjo Killed Murtala Mohammed? by lorddeni: 5:13pm On Dec 23, 2013
Seriously tho?

olas24u:
where you alive then?
Politics / Re: Is GEJ Insinuating Obasanjo Killed Murtala Mohammed? by lorddeni: 4:08pm On Dec 23, 2013
Seriosly stexsy, did you even read the full letter to get the flow. If even hopeless jonathanians like OP & co deduced that was what jona implied as evident by the title of this thread we are on, how can you then pick me over a pointed response to the thread. Like seriously

And there was no assassination before Obj came to power right It even smacks of mischief, or more worryingly the lack of grasp of things, for Jonathan to claim there hasn't been any political killings in his time. Dipo Dina was killed when? Or the NURTW guy killed in the heat of the PDP primaries in Oyo for which a serving senate leader was docked happened when GEJ was shoeless in Otuoke. Or the post-election killings in the north happened when Obj was Muritala's 'corrupt' deputy.

The most pathetic thing about Jona has being an obsession to dodge responsibilty on cogent issues & appropriate the glory of the work of past administrations. Boko Haram-didn't start in my time. Never mind the most people have died during my time. Election rigging-didn't start in my time even if a Tony Nwoye & his generation, along with hundreds of thousands, couldn't vote on election day. Corruption- Fela & Okosun have been singing about it yl I was still shoeless in Otuoke so it's not my fault even if Dieziani, Oduah & Co have been indicted by house committees and thanks to me, nobody can charge them to court. Odi-Obj's the devil since the community didn't have a grace period to produce the killers in their midst even if my policies have decimated entire states with no end in sight.

Oil bunkering & theft- Obj was petroleum minister so he can't cllaim he's a saint here and then I throw in halliburton & siemens even if I have not had the courage to prosecute him despite my convictions he was involved. ASUU-It wasn't my government who negotiated the agreement even if I led the government delegation then plus those ASUU guys really must be agents of 'Tinubu' and 'Buhari'. It all doesn't matter, if I say so, it should be that way according to Jona and his supporters.

How did we get this guy?

stexsy: am not sure u knw wat u r saying, GEJ neva said obj killed murtala mohammed, his point is that assasination dates back to when he was a head of state. Wat of d baseless accusation obj accused gej of? Try n be objective next time.
Politics / Re: Is GEJ Insinuating Obasanjo Killed Murtala Mohammed? by lorddeni: 2:47pm On Dec 23, 2013
Seriously tho, Obiagu & ano, you guys can't notice a punctuation omission on a nl forum and you would rather attempt a distortion of obvious history to run away from a pointed response. I was posting on a social forum-nl to supposedly already informed people, without the luxury of a 2wks reply window & a coterie of aides to proofread on the public dime like your lord & hero. Such liberties with sentence structuring can not be ruled out..

At the very least, how does your insinuation of what I 'actually wanted to say' make any sense in light of the rest of my write-up people
Still surprised my piece hasn't gotten a meaty reply from any of you geniuses.

You know my prayer for you guys in the new year- may your scales of hopelessly blind bias come off some day.

Obiagu1:

What you just corrected him for is what he actually wanted to say.

This makes it funny that someone that wrote "The intellect behind such a response to Obj's detailed letter can't be of someone worthy to lead a nation as diverse and complicated as this." could not make a clear statement.
Note: I didn't say correct but clear statement.
Politics / Re: Is GEJ Insinuating Obasanjo Killed Murtala Mohammed? by lorddeni: 1:40pm On Dec 23, 2013
I was saying if Ironsi had done that, things might have turned out differently for him. Historical facts are facts. You are the one deliberately misinterpreting gere to suit whatever point it is you are holding on to

anonimi:

Are you sure Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna & co were executed "promptly" by Aguiyi-Ironsi
You may wish to check your historical facts again and make necessary amends.

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Politics / Re: Is GEJ Insinuating Obasanjo Killed Murtala Mohammed? by lorddeni: 5:48am On Dec 23, 2013
@ Obiagu, seriously

You need to wipe the bs sentiments off your face or brain whoever you are. So, let me get this- Obj wanted to plan a coup and he chose to exclusively use middle-belt officers with a Bisalla, angry with Obj, Murtala & Co over the promotion slight, in the know, sent an Ibrahim Babangida to capture Radio Nigeria from Dimka, a Danjuma to lead the coup-quelling effort and then proceeded to wipe out his co-conspirators without them,even while facing firing squads, failing to mention his name even once, because they had taken oaths at Okija shrine, while he then proceeded to faithfully complete Muritala's programmes including the handover, a first on the continent all with the connivance of the many ambitious senior northern officers back then. Clap for yourself Obi!

Obiagu1:

@ the boldfaced,

That's where OBJ borrowed his script.
You know the script but failed to comprehend it.

He promptly executed them to hide the truth, then inserted a-few-months-head-of-state in our currency.
All these were for what if I may ask you?

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Politics / Re: President Goodluck Jonathan's Reply To Obasanjo's Letter by lorddeni: 5:35am On Dec 23, 2013
@kettykin I have no idea what you specialise in but by the gawd I hope it's not office ethics,

So, in your own warped and obviously biased mind and in light of my last post which you quoted as well as every sense of military decorum, the appropriate thing for a junior officer to do is to go and meet his superior in his office to ask for a name for his child. This was the military politics of the 70s-90s, every junior officer wanted to be first in the good books of a superior for assured career advancement or how do you think the tags- IBB boys, Abacha boys, Diya boys came about mister.

And to borrow popular parlance now, famzing your superior through methods like asking him to name your child was just a career survival tactic back then. Perhaps you are not famiiliar with Al-Mustapha's falling out with Abacha in the very early 90s because he married an older lady Sani did not approve of before Mustapha warmed his way back into the Abacha circles during the Abacha regime. It was the reality of the politicization of our military.

I am also surprised people like you also fail to acknowledge the likes of Obasanjo & Danjuma were actually earmarked for assassination by the coupists own confessions. Bet by your logic and jona's, by Danjuma also not getting killed, he was also in on the conspiracy of the 'corrupt' generals earmarked for dismissal by the conveniently 'saintly' Muritala right. Coups don't just happen because bloody civillians like GEJ allude silly reasons for them four decades after. They are ultimately about strategic dominance and I still do not know how you figure the course of the likes of Dimka, Bisalla & allegedly Gowon aligned with that of Obj & Danjuma at that point in time kittykin.

What was the basis for the interests of a Bisalla who felt slighted by his peers getting promoted above himself with rumours of his impending sack as Chief of Defence Staff and eventual retirement aligning with the likes of Obj & Danjuma, who along with Muritala as colleagues and buddies, had formed a 'cabal' so to say, with a stated hand-over date of 1979. And perhaps you might answer why at all the public trials of the coupists then, not one mention was made of this conspiracy, now cooked up by the then shoeless teen of Otuoke, by the men on death row. Not even the slightest hint a la 'I am just a patsy' from Jack Oswald of the JFK assassination infamy.

If the coup had been by OBJ's boys like Bajowa,Olurin & co, or even at least his kinsmen officers and he failed to take them out like Ironsi, then you could make your case or rather Jona's case. Otherwise, and this is the reality, the president is grasping at straws here and you, hopelessly, are cheering him on all while exposing the lack of a definite & clearly logical sense of history by your ilk.

kettykin:
Below is the fibble reasons given by Obasanjo for going to work late under a disciplined head of state like murtala mohammed and a time other generals were already sitted in office for the day


These happened at a time when telephones were in the country and for a little task that could have been done over a phone conversation, who is trying to deceive who, even a nursery school kid would detect this bare faced lie and the intriguing motives behind it. Would Olu Bajowa be going to Obasanjo for a name for his baby so early on Friday morning while Obasanjo boss was supposed to be in his office, is Obasanjo related to olu Bajowa , could not olu Bajowa had visited Obasanjo in office to get the naming for the baby, since when did naming become so important that it would delay the chief of staff from resuming in office on time.
No wonder the chicken farmer thinks he can deceive nigerians and get away with it, any body who believes this can believe anything else.
Politics / Re: President Goodluck Jonathan's Reply To Obasanjo's Letter by lorddeni: 4:27am On Dec 23, 2013
Seriously though, just how clueless, or maybe blindly sentimental, are some of you guys.

It was a Friday morning-these were young soldiers under 40 with the odd fortune of running a country of tens of millions. You think they were at thier desks by 7a.m. poring over their many developmental plans for the country Seriously ketty If Muritala, who was famed for being a stand-up, no-nonsense officer was on his way to his office as at the time he was killed, how can you then purport that by Obj, a self-acknowledged man of many deficiencies, not being in his office early means he must have been an accomplice. Perhaps you need to see beyond your nose and familiarize yourself with the story of the driver who smuggled Obj out of his official residence or tales of TY Danjuma himself of Obj being so distraught after the coup and how the man just wanted to retire and go home to snap yourself out of your delusions.

Now contrast that with an Ironsi, after the Jan. '66 coup got foiled. Your boy demanded to have power handed over to him even after the existing political structure at the time had survived unparalleled mortal blows to manage to throw up Bukar Dipcharima as Balewa's successor. He then proceeded to puzzlingly send the coupists to the East in such a divided and tensed nation, refused to promptly try or execute them as requested by northern officers and leaders, failed to clamp down swiftly on insanely provocative statements, pictures or songs about our assassinated leaders which led to the pogrom and then declared a unitary state we've never recovered from till date.

That's right for those who do not know about history- the battle for resource control actually has its roots in Ironsi's missteps, not someone of the much-maligned Hausa/Fulani stock. Because it meant that every other government that came after realising the enormously concentrated resources at the centre simply became unwilling to divest resources to the source federating units. For me, personally, Aguiyi-Ironsi is the worst leader this country has ever been saddled with because while you can point to at least one significant positive thing every other administration has done for this country-including clueless GEJ, Ironsi's was a series of incredible missteps which sadly led to the subsequent most unfortunate events of the late '60s

kettykin:

If Obasanjo was not in the loop or in the know about the coup why was he hiding and was conspicuously missing from office the date of the coup. The coup against ironsi succeeded simply because ironsi didn't take good care of his personal security if he did that coup the would have remained in the planning stage forever or would have equally triggered an arm struggle with in the army.
Politics / Re: President Goodluck Jonathan's Reply To Obasanjo's Letter by lorddeni: 3:34am On Dec 23, 2013
Waoh!!!

So, let me get this straight, GEJ in his puzzling ramble of a response inserts a totally defenseless statement of an event when he was, in his own words, still the shoeless teenager of Otuoke and you dumb herd just jump on the bandwagon. Do you realistically think with the Hausa-Fulani dominated officers cadre in the army back then, a counter coup wouldn't have taken place swiftly I mean, this was the army of the Babangidas, Abachas, Buharis, Gusaus as Colonels with the Danjumas and Yar'aduas higher up.

You guys might want to study the counter-coup of 1966 to begin with. You might also want to learn from that counter-coup that if Aguiyi-Ironsi had not detained the Jan '66 coupists in the East & promptly executed Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna & co as northern officers and elders were requesting, just like Obj did with Dimka, Bisalla & co, just maybe he might have been able to prevent the counter-coup by proving he wasn't trying to shield the coupists or even a suspected collaborator of the first coup in the first place.

Lawd, where is the sense of history of some of you

So, middle belt mid-cadre officers with the backing of a Bisalla, who felt slighted by being overlooked in the bazaar peer promotion by Muritala & Obj after the Gowon ouster, struck to kill Muritala to prevent Obj going to jail all with the alleged knowledge of a Gowon who had only been ousted 6/7 months earlier by the same Muritala/Obj/Danjuma group he had so pampered after the war.

Jeez!!! Some people are really so gullible as to follow Jona into a ditch without thinking for a moment.

PS:

Still don't want to believe GEJ wrote that nonsense of a response. The intellect behind such a response to Obj's detailed letter can't be of someone worthy to lead a nation as diverse and complicated as this. The man couldn't even present the budget, can imagine what he will do if the house asks him to come defend the many baseless accusations he's dished out in this letter. It's like the man doesn't even realise the implications of some of the clearly baseless accusations he's made in his response. Hope he hasn't already walked into the trap of those who want to impeach him straight away with his obvious manufacturing of facts like he thinks he was replying a high-school letter.
Politics / Re: Is GEJ Insinuating Obasanjo Killed Murtala Mohammed? by lorddeni: 3:31am On Dec 23, 2013
Waoh!!!

So, let me get this straight, GEJ in his puzzling ramble of a response inserts a totally defenseless statement of an event when he was, in his own words, still the shoeless teenager of Otuoke and you dumb herd just jump on the bandwagon. Do you realistically think with the Hausa-Fulani dominated officers cadre in the army back then, a counter coup wouldn't have taken place swiftly I mean, this was the army of the Babangidas, Abachas, Buharis, Gusaus waiting to become top dogs with the Danjumas and Yar'aduas higher up.

You guys might want to study the counter-coup of 1966 to begin with. You might also want to learn from that counter-coup that if Aguiyi-Ironsi had not detained the Jan '66 coupists in the East, if he had promptly executed Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna & co as northern officers and elders were requesting, just like Obj did with Dimka, Bisalla & co, just maybe he might have been able to prevent the counter-coup by proving he wasn't trying to shield the coupists or even a suspected collaborator of the first coup in the first place.

So, middle belt mid-cadre officers with the backing of a Bisalla, who felt slighted by being overlooked in the bazaar peer promotion by Muritala & Obj after the Gowon ouster, struck to kill Muritala to prevent Obj going to jail all with the alleged knowledge of a Gowon who had only been ousted 6/7 months earlier by the same Muritala/Obj/Danjuma group he had so pampered after the war

PS:

Still don't want to believe GEJ wrote that nonsense of a response. The intellect behind such a response to Obj's detailed letter can't be of someone worthy to lead a nation as diverse and complicated as this. The man couldn't even present the budget, can imagine what he will do if the house asks him to come defend the many baseless accusations he's dished out in this letter. It's like the man doesn't even realise the implications of some of the clearly baseless accusations he's made in his response. Hope he hasn't already walked into the trap of those who want to impeach him straight away with his obvious manufacturing of facts like he thinks he was replying a high-school letter.

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Religion / Re: A Lecture For Atheists by lorddeni: 3:03am On Dec 23, 2013
@texanomaly

At least we can agree on you judging from your theistic perspective

texanomaly:

Ok...I'm judging...Are you happy? You know what? Maybe I am, because I swear both sides have some kind of playbook. I've seen enough of these debates to know the canned responses of both sides before I see them here. If I'm being judgmental, I'm measuring both side with the same stick. I'd say that is fair.

btw...K17 uses the same strategies, he/she just does it better.
Religion / Re: A Lecture For Atheists by lorddeni: 2:04am On Dec 23, 2013
Seems you just want to find a way to muddle things up. My point in the last post was once again, you are judging atheists based on your own theistic understanding by claiming most atheists here save for your precious Kay 17 use the same strategies for getting their point across as you theistic folks. This statement itself betrays your insistence on judging atheists from your own point of view-whether accurate or not.

I bet you if we take a poll of the atheists who have commented here, not one will agree with your point of imitating you theists in getting their points across- not even Kay 17 will agree with you here my dear.

texanomaly:

Did you read my post? I honestly can't tell. I did not Judge anyone. If anything, I was complimentary to Kay 17. In the beginning I said Atheist use the same strategies for getting their point across as the others on this tread. Then I mentioned that it is a vicious cycle. Meaning both sides do it, and it just goes around and around, getting neither side anywhere. Ask any of the noteable Atheists here in NL. They will tell you that I am one of the least judgemental people you will ever meet.
Religion / Re: A Lecture For Atheists by lorddeni: 12:21am On Dec 23, 2013
@texanomaly,

Just like the average theist, your post only further underlines the point I was making. Stop judging atheists based on your own narrow confines. An atheist becomes an atheist because he/she feels having done some honest deep thinking of all the facts available to the human race, the most intellectually honest thing to do is to be an atheist/agnostic. Because the underlying basis for coming to such a conclusion is knowledge, it only presupposes that if you theists can find a way to resolve your myriad of contradictions and proffer an intellectually honest & convincing knowledge-based logic to theism, we would be willing to consider your points on their merits.

Atheists don't feel a need to defend their space because basically it's a free space but when quasi-intellectuals like the OP create a thread to 'lecture atheists', you guys can not run away from the challenge of beating us on a purely logical basis rather than leaning on the disprovable basis of your theism and simply expecting us to eat what you are dishing because ultimately to you, your faith says so

texanomaly:

Don't Atheists employ this same strategy? I've seen it here on this thread, and others throughout the religion section. It's a vicious cycle on both sides of the debate.

I think K 17 is the only one that doesn't fall into it. Although he/she does use similar strategies to maneuver people where intended. This person only jumps in where it is strategically advantages. Then retreats in wait for the next opportunity. There is no struggle for superiority. Once a foothold is gotten, it is held till further advancement is a possibility. Genius! Is this person a military strategist? I have to wonder. Of all the arguments I see in this section, this person is the only who could convince me that Atheism is even a possibility for me. It is not. I'm just sayin'. 'Following'

@ maclatunji
Great job here. Also 'Following'

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Religion / Re: A Lecture For Atheists by lorddeni: 12:02pm On Dec 22, 2013
A simple reply will do @maclatunji,
you don't have to run away because you can't defend yourself & then attempt to cover yourself by claiming to yawn and a ridiculous thread derailing accusation. This has to be the first time on NL an OP is accusing someone who specifically responded to the opening post on a point-by-point basis as a thread derailer simply because you know you lack the capacity to be intellectually honest in your response

maclatunji:

#Yawns

Attempt at thread derailment.

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Religion / Re: A Lecture For Atheists by lorddeni: 7:40am On Dec 22, 2013
@maclatunji

You know the problem with you quasi-intellectual theologians, you always start all your arguments from a non-scientific viewpoint of finding means to justify an already pre-determined end, you then adopt any pseudo-knowledge to help, you root your argument in bases totally unagreeable to atheists/agnostics & when we see little or no point debating you in an arena you've built to your utmost convenience, you lay claim to the supremacy of your fallacies.

Atheism/agnosticism requires the highest of level of of intellectual honesty because while you agree you do not know it all, you are willing to follow the trail of human discoveries over generations rather than accept philosophical attempts in the form of ancient religions with blatant deficiencies as the way and close your mind to everything else.

I leave you with the words of an ancient arab scholar in the post-mohammedan age: 'You can pick a quest for true knowledge or religion, not both'

PS: For the christian evangelists who might be thinking this is just about Islam, nope it isn't. For the truly discerning, Islam is as much an attempted revision of Christianity in much the same way Christianity is revised Judaism

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All of the founders of modern science
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Only evolution within "kinds" is
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How did species survive if their vital
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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Ernst And Young Recruiting Graduate Trainees 2013 by lorddeni: 9:21pm On Dec 13, 2013
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