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Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 5:59pm On May 24, 2011 |
Kindly comment on the following article. Leonard Karshima Shilgba, PhD 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by ektbear: 5:34am On May 25, 2011 |
Interesting |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 9:54pm On Dec 04, 2011 |
No votes yet |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by emmke(m): 7:58am On Dec 05, 2011 |
karfe:mind if i asked where u are from? Which state in the middle belt in particular |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by musiwa43: 9:19am On Dec 05, 2011 |
have you ask people whee they prefer to be. Kwara and Kogi west prefer to be with the Yoruba. Yoruba people. While Benue prefer to be with the igbos. So which state remain in your middle belt. Plateau state , can one or three state be a region. You see nigeria is diviided into three region base on the river niger the western niger, eastern niger and northern niger, the western niger consist of kwara, kog,edo,delta ,ondo,osun, ogun lagos oyo,ekiti, eastern niger consist of imo,benue, croass river, river, taraba and adamawa. enugu, bayelsa,anambra,abia while the north has Plateau, niger, sokoto,kaduna,kano, borno, yobe, katsina, kano, etc// It is had for plateau state to be a region , You may feel lonely up there. but it is more of geography. You know daniel Amokachie is from benue state, does that name so northern to you. |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by emmke(m): 9:28am On Dec 05, 2011 |
^wow. Ok. Cant see Borno in the east. Dont forget Borno is east (north east actually, just like adamawa) of the niger river and used to be Gongola along with adamawa (which is in the east according to u). |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 3:34pm On Dec 05, 2011 |
@ emmke I am from Kogi State. I believe you are either from Plateau State or you dwell there. I agree with Musiwa about the Yoruba in Kwara and Kogi. My feeling is that most of them would like to be in a region with the rest of the Yoruba. This was supposed to have been dealt with through a referendum after the Willink Commission hearings in 1958. This was never done, and now states, rather than regions are our federating units. However, I disagree with him that the rivers should be the natural boundaries for federated regions. This would only introduce problems more complex than the ones we are dealing with I am usually interested in thrashing out issues concerning the middle belt status, not just because I belong to this group, but because the vast majority of Nlanders seem to be from the southern states, and so discussions always veer in the direction of southern issues. I believe the middle belt status is of importance to the whole of Nigeria if we truly seek a way forward that will be beneficial to all Nigerian peoples. This will require a bit more understanding of the socio-cultural make-up of MB peoples It is quite unfortunate that some Igbo are usually bitter that the middle belters played an active part in stopping the breakaway of Biafra. However, a closer look at circumstances from colonial times up till date will absolve those who believe in the middle belt cause of any blame. The poll I set up is expired. I will have to create another one to gauge the feelings of Nairalanders. I wish there was a way of indicating an individual's geo-political zone in order to the gauge the feeling from each zone. I will be back |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by bashr8: 1:54am On Dec 06, 2011 |
list the states in the middle belt and their ethnic make up, i believe kogi have the egbiras who can easily join yorubas and the southeastern igala who share similarieties,names and cultures with the igbo and a few others that are similar to the edos. |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by 9javoice1(m): 6:57am On Dec 06, 2011 |
@karfe. my brother dont ever burder yourself about igbos been angry with middle beltans. we the igbos knew our enemies. we can stand with you the mb's anyday anytime but we just cant lead the way. the same way we stand for ND in their stuggle. we know they are going far when we accept joing their wagon. the igbos can never in nigeria be against the happines of the ND,MB and SW. forget wat you see here on nl,Sw are not our enemy and ca never be,the hausa/fulani are. hausa/fulani's cant stand us all if we unite against them. 5 Likes |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by Nobody: 12:03pm On Dec 06, 2011 |
if the Middle Belt have the will, they have my support. One of the things they must do, is to start teaching their younger generation the path to follow. 1 Like |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 12:11am On Dec 07, 2011 |
Below is a list of some MIDDLE BELT states and their ethnic make-up, simplified as much as possible: KWARA STATE: 12 out of the state's 16 LGA's are predominantly Yoruba, 2 are Nupe while the remaining 2 are made up mainly of Bariba and Busa speakers. However, even though the LGA's in Ilorin area are Yoruba speaking, the Fulani aristocrats seem to make them lean more towards a ONE NORTH philosophy KOGI STATE: There are 21 LGA's in this state There are 5 LGA's in the western part that are predominantly Yoruba speaking (Okun dialects, which can be further differentiated). There are 4 LGA's that in the central part that are predominantly Ebira speakers There are 8 LGA's that in the eastern part that are predominantly Igala speakers Lokoja LGA is an admixture of peoples from near and far including Oworo (related to Yoruba), as well as the Nupe dialects (Kakanda, Bassa Nge and Kupa) Kogi LGA is made up of mainly Ebira Koto speakers (another form of Ebira) Ogori Magongo LGA is made up of a group that has a lot of cultural features with Akoko Edo LGA of Edo State. The majority of the indegenes speak Yoruba Bassa LGA is made up of Bassa and Bassa Nge (Nupe dialect) as well as Igala speakers |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by JamesDoe: 12:18am On Dec 07, 2011 |
Do we have anybody from the Nupe ethnic group here? I hear they are related to Yoruba somehow (share similar sounding words) but I would like to know better or have this notion dismissed. |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by edoyad(m): 12:33am On Dec 07, 2011 |
The middle-belt, I'm getting old. Dont contribute much anymore. |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 12:35am On Dec 07, 2011 |
@ JamesDoe: I am not Nupe but I know that Nupe belongs to a branch of Niger-Congo languages in which Yoruba, Igbo, Edo and Idoma are the main nodes. These languages, though not mutually intelligible, usually have words that are used by the different groups and may mean different things to the different groups |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 12:37am On Dec 07, 2011 |
@ Edoyad: Good to see you. You were once quite vocal about the middle belt. Do not give up. Other areas of Nigeria stand to gain as well if the middle belt identity is properly recognized |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 12:46am On Dec 07, 2011 |
BENUE STATE: Simply put, the state made up of 14 Tiv LGA's and 9 Idoma LGA's. However, 2 LGA's speak Igede, a variant form of Idoma who regularly proclaim their uniqueness. Idoma is generally known to contain a lot of dialects. In fact the Alago in Nasarawa State and the Yala and Yace in Cross River State (Ogoja area) are regarded as Idoma speakers in some quarters The Tiv can also be found in Plateau, Nasarawa, Taraba and FCT in large numbers. The Bacheve at Obudu cattle ranch are one of several variant forms of Tiv who speak mainstream Tiv but proclaim their own uniqueness as well Does anybody else see a similarity between Benue State and the northern part of Cross River State?! |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by Obiagu1(m): 12:57am On Dec 07, 2011 |
^^^ There are Igbo communities in Benue State. |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 1:02am On Dec 07, 2011 |
NIGER STATE: In a simple way, this state can be said to be made up of Nupe, Gbagyi, Hausa and a lot of small ethnic groups (Kamberi and Kamuku are the more recognizable ones) The Hausa can mainly be found centred around Suleja (near Abuja) and Kontagora This state is heavily influenced by Islam, and is the only one in the current NC zone currently operating Sharia officially. For this reason, some proponents of the Middle Belt seek its exclusion. 2 former military heads of state are from this state, and it can be argued that they are more of ONE NORTH proponents It can however also be argued that the state is infact MIDDLE BELT territory, if historical factors are carefully considered. This area was mainly a 'pagan' territory of small ethnic groups as can be found in some other middle belt areas which will be mentioned later Also I personal do not believe that the MB issue is a Christian agenda as some proponents feel, or as some core North and MB muslims believe. That's my personal opinion 1 Like |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 1:08am On Dec 07, 2011 |
@ Obiagu1: I agree with you. However, there are also Idoma and Oring communities in Ebonyi State, Igala (Ebu) Communities in Delta State, etc which are isolated from the main body of their own ethnic groups. Remember, I said these are just simplified |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by JamesDoe: 1:14am On Dec 07, 2011 |
So if Nigeria was to disintegrate the Middle Belt will have to be strong to survive as many groups will lay claim to their territories. I think it is better for the Middle belt to redraw state lines in relative peaceful times now than attempt to do so at a not so opportune time. |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by musiwa43: 1:14am On Dec 07, 2011 |
KOGI (21 LGA's): There are 7 LGA's that are predominantly Yoruba speaking There are 4 LGA's that in the central part that are predominantly Ebira speakers There are 6 LGA's that are predominantly Igala speakers There are 2 LGA's that are predominantly bassa speakers there is nothing like middle belt. it is mostly people from plateau state that feel lonely up there. that shout middle belt. Kwara dont consider themself middle belt. there is no way in this world, that kwara and kogi will be in the middle. belt. you are asking for war. The government will be overthrow if that happen. You cant not force people to be where they dont want to be in. |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 1:22am On Dec 07, 2011 |
From the previous 4 states discussed, 9 ethnic groups can be identified as prominent: Yoruba Ebira Igala Idoma Tiv Nupe Gbagyi Hausa Fulani 3 of these are what can be referred to as national languages. In a strict sense, are these MIDDLE BELT languages? It is open for discussion, However, it can be seen that the Hausa are already located fully in Niger State and isolated from the rest of Hausa land, even though these Hausa (and Fulani) can trace their origins to specific places in the Core North The Yoruba can be easily relocated (not all Yoruba want this) but will face opposition from the core North and the ruling indigenes of Ilorin, not so? In the future, we will look at 4 other states of the middle belt, the FCT, and 5 areas in core North states that can be regarded (or not) as MIDDLE BELT depending on an individual's view |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by Obiagu1(m): 1:24am On Dec 07, 2011 |
karfe: There's Igala too in Anambra. You're listing ethnic make up in the middlebelt but did not list the Igbo. |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 1:26am On Dec 07, 2011 |
@ Musiwa You have 19 LGA's on total, while I have 21. Which other 2 LGA's are Yoruba speaking, which I did not mention? |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 1:30am On Dec 07, 2011 |
@ Obiagu1 If you go into the nitty-gritty of it, Igbo will appear as an ethnic group in Benue, and maybe even Kogi, but that is not my intention. I want to bring out the most prominent groups in each MB state and how they influence local and regional politics, vis-a-vis the MB issue |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by Obiagu1(m): 1:35am On Dec 07, 2011 |
ok |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by musiwa43: 1:36am On Dec 07, 2011 |
Ijumu Kabba/Bunu Lokoja Mopa-Muro Yagba East Yagba W Ogori/Magongo there are north of the river, what Fulani aristocrats is in ilorin. You people do not know anything about fulani. It was when I lived in the north that I know what fulani is. The fulani people speak fufude. And they have no relation with ilorin people. Emir is an islamic title and not a fulani title. It was assume that Emir was a fulani title. That why they assume they are fulani. but Emir is an Islamic title and not a fulani title. That assumption was wrong. Not fulani. Mohammed ali , the USA boxer is he fulani too. fufude is complex . Nobody speak fulani or hausa in kwara state. if you doubt me. please go there. Inbetween Kwara state and the hausa are the Nupe, Gwari , Kambari and other ethnics . |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 1:45am On Dec 07, 2011 |
@ Musiwa If you read my post above, you will see I said that Ogori Magongo is quite similar in culture with Akoko Edo as they speak Yoruba and bear Yoruba names. But just like the Akoko Edo they have their own identity and cannot be said to be Yoruba Infact many Ebira bear Yoruba names and speak Yoruba Most ethnic groups in the North bear Hausa names and many speak Hausa. Does that make them Hausa? Most of the former Soviet states speak Russian, does that make them Russian? Lokoja is not a predominantly Yoruba LGA. A number of its indigenes speak Oworo which is related to (or may be a dialect of) Yoruba, but the LGA is very cosmopolitan. It has indigenes from all over West Africa, probably due to its colonial status |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by musiwa43: 1:48am On Dec 07, 2011 |
oworo and ogori are dialet of yoruba. Most ebira people speak Yoruba and some bear yoruba name too. |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 1:49am On Dec 07, 2011 |
@ Musiwa I agree with you about the Fulani. The only places Fulfulde is actually spoken are Adamawa, Gombe, Yobe, Borno, and all the Bororo cattle rearers moving all over the nation. But the effect of this group during the jihad is still felt in Ilorin, right? |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by Nobody: 2:52am On Dec 07, 2011 |
Please forget all this preaching and fighting for yorubas in Kogi or not We want true fedralism! im igbo from anambra state and i want a stituation where every state should be controlling herself!! wheather Yoruba is in kogi ,Hausa in Niger or Igbo is in Rivers! all that nonsense! they can preserve their culture there. why dont all these tribes go and claim their brothers in Benin/Niger or the slaves in america that were taken from them. why are the majorities too selfish? Let every state control herself!! apart from abuja!!!!! This ahmed bello must be a compound fool for saying that! infact let satan cast him from hell!! Eleven days after Nigeria got her political independence on October 1, 1960, the Sardauna of Sokoto, Sir Ahmadu Bello said, as was carried by the Parrot newspaper on October 12, 1960: |
Re: Towards True Federalism: Middle Belt Ideology by karfe(m): 11:55pm On Dec 11, 2011 |
Read below a brilliant article about the 'other peoples' of the Middle Belt: http://yadamag.com/re-introducing-northern-nigeria-not-as-you-know-it/ |
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