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Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 5:11am On Oct 14, 2022 |
Silverseed: Source: https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=379653#pid379653 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 5:24am On Oct 14, 2022 |
chryssanthe: Source: https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=379592#pid379592 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 7:12am On Oct 14, 2022 |
Some people might want to know, some posts here are being copied and pasted into another forum, and answers to them in the other forum are being copied and pasted back to this one, by Tamaratonye1, Chryssanthe, and Silverseed. 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 11:33am On Oct 14, 2022 |
chryssanthe: copied and pasted from another forum: https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=379495#pid379495 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 4:08pm On Oct 14, 2022 |
chryssanthe: copied and pasted from another forum: https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=379625#pid379625 |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 4:22pm On Oct 14, 2022 |
Tamaratonye1: copied and pasted from: https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=379624#pid379624 https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=379638#pid379638 https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=379623#pid379623 |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 4:28pm On Oct 14, 2022 |
chryssanthe: copied and pasted from another forum: https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=379682#pid379682 |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 4:31pm On Oct 14, 2022 |
chryssanthe: copied and pasted from another forum: https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=379697#pid379697 |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Kobojunkie: 4:33pm On Oct 14, 2022 |
ReubenSandwich ReubenSandwich: This post is about the gospel of Jesus in the Bible gospels. I think that it's about learning to live the way he says to live, as the best way to live. I think that was true in his time, but I'm not sure if anyone today can learn the best way to live, from reading the Bible. Maybe, if there are people who are studying the Bible and practicing together, to learn to live the way that Jesus says to live.Jesus Christ is God's Law and Covenant for those in the Kingdom of God. Those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and almost 100 commandments/rules detailed in His teachings, whether 2000 years ago, or even today, not only learn but live the best way but also experience all that Jesus Christ said is possible to those who obey Him. Obedience is the key to living the best life that Jesus Christ offered, and acceptance of that which was decreed is necessary to achieve this. 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Nobody: 2:37am On Oct 15, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:Your Bible declaring other gods as false simply settles my argument against yours. For all the gods that existed before your Bible, it declares them false and establishes it's god as the right one. Remember this: AuthenticKing:Your Bible invalidates other gods it borrowed from, declared them as false gods and claimed it had the truth. DTruthSpeaker, I ask again, do you have any strong rebuttal to this? If you go on trying to run around this question again, I would be ending this discussion. Dtruthspeaker:This was the definition you provided, take a look at the third definition at the bolded, what's the difference between that and "laid down by an authority"? Dtruthspeaker: Dtruthspeaker:Smh. Slavery, genocide, jealousy, anger, insecurity, deceit, sexism, etc as depicted by your God is morals, equity and just? What of ridiculous actions depicted by some supposedly upright men in your book? (e.g. Lot offering his daughters to be gang-raped?!). Your Bible is just a product of time and culture, and at the time it was produced, many people believed in what many enlightened people will consider ridiculous today. Dtruthspeaker:And I am free to share my opinion if I find the 'god' beliefs to be ridiculous, people who their daily actions affect me directly or indirectly are reading the things you're writing. If they get misled by your opinions, it affects the nation in a way so I and other freethinkers will surely vehemently challenge the opinions we find ridiculous. A bonus point: The way you jump at every religious thread that points out loopholes in your beliefs doesn't really depict one who is confident and convinced of his "truth" but one who is insecure about his beliefs but doesn't want to let go of them, so he simply desperately want to convince himself that he's right thereby projecting his insecurities on others. Dtruthspeaker:There's still no verifiable evidence for a god, but you can still respond to JudasIX's reply by providing the links instead of making vague statements. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Nobody: 2:46am On Oct 15, 2022 |
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Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 5:08pm On Oct 15, 2022 |
AuthenticKing: The rebuttal is very clear and the whole world saw it that God of the Bible completely wiped out all of Sumeria (Ur) and Babylon (Hammurabi) as He Said He was going to do to them in the Bible and their gods could not save them And we have their relics and records proving it today. AuthenticKing: The word said "PUT FORTH authoritatively" and not laid down by an authority". AuthenticKing: Change of Post! You accused me of "...You have a deep hatred and problem with those who refuse to accept your ridiculous claims." Hence my answer. So, now you have changed post yet again by making another false accusation. AuthenticKing: Maybe! But the heading of this section clearly says "Religion: Share your faith and belief in God or higher powers here. Ad Rate: ₦6,831.36/week (57.5% discount). So apparently, it is not for anti-God people, So you have no rights to even say this "A dogma means telling the whole world that they were created by a God, not just a God but the God of the Bible.even when there's no evidence to support this claim. ... Brothers and sisters following this thread, please judge, who is imposing dogmas on others?" This is Religious section and we are free to share our belief in God here. If you do not like it, then do not come here. It's as simple as that! |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Wilgrea7(m): 3:38am On Oct 16, 2022 |
ReubenSandwich: I don't know what makes me happier. The fact that there's actually an atheist forum, or the fact that someone decided to feature my post there. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 10:37am On Oct 16, 2022 |
Wilgrea7: Yes, some of your posts were copied and pasted into that forum, along with some posts from sinequanon, TenQ, Dtruthspeaker, Endtimer, triplechoice, Epositive, and Wilgrea7, but not with your names. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by triplechoice(m): 12:24pm On Oct 16, 2022 |
ReubenSandwich: Please could you show me my post that was posted in that forum. I would like to used it to find out the person here that did that |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 12:27pm On Oct 16, 2022 |
triplechoice: One would say it is obviously him but we know atheist and Truth is like Satan and doing good. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by triplechoice(m): 12:57pm On Oct 16, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: Who is the 'him" The suspect for now is Tamaratonye1 Visit this thread below and see for yourself https://www.nairaland.com/7376212/bigotry-christians-bug-feature-neither |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 1:20pm On Oct 16, 2022 |
triplechoice: I think that it happened more than once. Here's one: https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7845&pid=376301#pid376301 |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by triplechoice(m): 2:30pm On Oct 16, 2022 |
ReubenSandwich: Thank you for this. It's that nonentity midnight378. I can now understand why his replies were wayward. The people whose comments he copied to answer me didn't know that what they were replying has been taken out of the context it was made. The person replying my comments, the fool copied here, mistook me for a theist Just imagine the nonsense. I wonder why other atheist on this board have maintained a deafening silence since yesterday when you started exposing this.They can't pretend not to have seen what you have been doing. Myndd44 and Seun please look into this .Some of the atheists here are turning Nairaland into a circus show. I know not everyone of them is involved in this. But it seems most are 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 2:59pm On Oct 16, 2022 |
triplechoice: It might be one person doing all the copying and pasting under different names, in both forums. (later) All the midnight378 posts that I checked from this year are copied and pasted from atheistdiscussion.org, but I can't find out if the ones from last year are copied from somewhere else or not. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by triplechoice(m): 4:23pm On Oct 16, 2022 |
ReubenSandwich: I doubt it's a single person. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Nobody: 11:30pm On Oct 17, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:Can you share any links that proves this sir? Dtruthspeaker:What's the difference? Dtruthspeaker:There's no change of post uncle, this was your statement: Dtruthspeaker:And I was trying to show you that your Bible doesn't advocate what you're claiming it does. Dtruthspeaker:Go and read my comments again including that of Judas IX, then you'll understand why atheists and freethinkers are here. I won't repeat myself again. Meanwhile, you've stealthily ignored the request we made on your "verifiable evidence" for a god, just like you do ignore so many points that was made for you to defend. Lol. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 2:29am On Oct 18, 2022 |
triplechoice: I thought that the copying and pasting was something that people would want to know about, but it looks like no one else really cares. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 3:09am On Oct 18, 2022 |
AuthenticKing: You don't need links to prove what we all see that Sumeria (Ur)/Hammurabi (Babylon) is gone. AuthenticKing: Your own is follow-follow because of somebody said it. While mine is a personal creation which I am exhibiting (put forth) for the world to see. Not the same thing!. AuthenticKing: And your words in answer response shows you attacking me and why we preach, hence my reply. AuthenticKing: Res ipsa loquitur. AuthenticKing: I did not stealthy ignored it, I blatantly ignored because this is not the issue |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 3:24am On Oct 18, 2022 |
triplechoice: I've been reading some of your posts on other topics, and I'd like to have some discussions with you about social issues and what to do about them. I don't want to start a new thread for it. I looked for a thread where you've posted recently, and this looks like it might be the best one for that. I'll post some thoughts, and maybe you'll have some comments or questions about them. I think that all the cruelty, violence and oppression that we're seeing will continue and even get worse, for 50, 100, or 150 years or maybe even more, no matter what anyone does. I think that things will stop getting worse and start getting better after a few generations of people learning to train their children in ways that will mostly stop the cruelty, violence and oppression from happening. That's part of a larger process that I see happening of people all around the world learning to work with their neighbors to help make the community life in their neighborhood or village healthier, happier and more loving for every person in it. I don't think that there's anything that anyone can do to stop the cruelty, violence and oppression from getting worse for many more years, but anyone who wants to can help reduce the damage to people's lives by learning to be a better friend to more people, a person that's safe, easy, fun and helpful person to talk to for all kinds of people in all kinds of situations. Another way to help reduce the damage is in that kind of community development that I described above. In relation to discussions about religion, I think that people can learn lessons from the Bible if they want to, about how to live the best life they can, studying and practicing together to learn to live the way Jesus says to live. To learn the best lessons, they might need help from some kinds of Christian books. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 3:50am On Oct 18, 2022 |
ReubenSandwich: You can not give what you do not have! If people refuse to change and stop being evil, then they will only continue to teach their children to be evil, till the evil destroys every one down to the last one. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Wilgrea7(m): 1:37pm On Oct 18, 2022 |
Apologies for the late response. I completely missed these mentions TenQ: I find it a little disappointing that you insist on ignoring my points to make reference to things i did not talk about. I never said the Christian God is material, time bound or any of those other things you just said. That's just being shady at this point. The Hindus and Muslims speaking for themselves is also irrelevant here.. that wasn't the point I was making. TenQ: Did you read what I said at all? You're dodging my question... Again The conscience allegedly being placed there by the “creator" does not answer the question. Please if you're going to engage in a productive discussion, dodging the other side's points or questions is not the way to do it. Just thought I'd let you know |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by triplechoice(m): 2:46pm On Oct 18, 2022 |
ReubenSandwich: It's possibly because most people here, whether theist or atheist, are involved in the same copying and pasting from elsewhere but not caught yet ,or the shame and embarrassment it has caused in certain quarters. When someone does what brings shame and disgrace to their friends and close family members, they are usually left alone to deal with the situation . Nobody would want to draw attention to the matter due to embarrassment. So far, all of the persons involved are atheists and the major culprit, Tamaratonye1, is a prominent and very popular atheist rated as one of the most intelligent ,with a delightful stlye of writing that has constantly earned her lots of praises and admiration from nearly everyone on this board. She has been a role model for lots of her followers. You wouldn't know this since from your profile, you recently joined the forum. But the party is finally over and the deception exposed; it has been copying and pasting of the ideas and turns of phrase of other people from elsewhere. She has never for once written anything of her own. A scammer, that's what she's This didn't start yesterday. The nonentity has been doing this for years now, and I am sure she is not even female but a male.Most fraudsters here on this forum, in case you don't know, are hiding behind a female moniker to interact with you. However, all of this should not be interpreted to mean that every atheist here or elsewhere is dishonest. Atheist, not new age atheist , are usually honest and well behaved. New age atheist, also called evangelical atheist, are not really different from the religious people they take delight in attacking all the time. They are usually very hateful, very abusive, lie a lot and use all manner of deception and propaganda, just like some theist, to promote and defend their atheistic position. And it's why it is said that, a theist and an atheist ( new age atheist) are two sides of the same coin. Both are behaving the same way, without being aware of it. 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by triplechoice(m): 3:51pm On Oct 18, 2022 |
ReubenSandwich:ok. The problem is that, not everyone is willing to learn how to train a child in the right way.Some parents who don't understand anything about basic child psychology are applying the wrong methods with terrible results which they refuse to own responsibility for. I once had a discussion with a colleague who is a Christian that believes in not sparing the rod. I tried to explain to him that the advice in the Bible should not be followed as it could result in child trauma. The next thing he said was, do I know more than God that put that verse in the Bible. After he said this, I knew it would be waste of time to continue with the conversation and I kept quiet making him to believe he was right. So I ask you ,do you also believe in not sparing the rod? Before we start to see more of this happening the correct foundation must be laid; more people who have been raised or trained to be willing to work with others to ensure peace in our different communities. What are parents teaching their children and who is monitoring the process , especially in our own part of the world where anything goes? Some persons are not willing to accept your offer of friendship and wouldn't let you know this but pretend. They prefer to cause harm to you even when you are not posing any danger to them. How do we deal with such people ?
Certain conditions must be met before that can start happening Individually and as groups efforts are being made to reduce the damage and some of us can see the results. I think we should focus more on the successes and not dwell too much on what is not been done right. We are not going to have a perfect world for everyone. That's the truth about the world we live in.
Why only the Bible and Christian books? Christianity doesn't have all the answers. We can equally learn one or two things from other religion. These days most people are learning yoga or practice meditation from Buddhism to take charge of their minds. These practices currently finds scientific support and have been proven to provide salutory effect to the mind or body. 1 Like |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Nobody: 11:46pm On Oct 18, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:Here you go again, you make some unfounded claims but now can't properly defend it. Uncle DTruthSpeaker, this is not the best way to make proper arguments o. Dtruthspeaker:Hahahahaha! You're indeed hilarious . I would ignore your first sentence. You picked your definition from a Merriam Webster's dictionary which was similar to the definition I provided, now you call it a personal creation. You're doing well. Dtruthspeaker:Facepalm. Not attacking you with my words, but attacking your claim that the Bible advocates for morals (at least entirely) and my anger was your proposition that because non-believers reject your book, then they are evil. Dtruthspeaker:Mtchew Dtruthspeaker: But you made a claim, why not prove it? |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by ReubenSandwich(m): 1:41am On Oct 19, 2022 |
ReubenSandwich: triplechoice: I agree. |
Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 2:12am On Oct 19, 2022 |
AuthenticKing: No one proves what is obvious. AuthenticKing: Similar, does not mean the same! AuthenticKing: One the threads are here and anyone can go through the suffer to bring them up. But I would never do that. |
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