Kobojunkie:
I think I already more than adequately addressed this concern of yours in a previous post https://www.nairaland.com/7662499/im-bride-waiting-dressed-up/3#122680051

So long as you are alive on this planet, not only will you partner regularly with unbelievers — through business, trade, friendship, etc. Consequently, it is illogical to pretend you do not understand that it makes sense to have a good sense of the kind of partnership you form with them when you engage them in these various relationships which your very life depends on here on this earth.

Jesus Christ engaged sinners when He was on earth. He ate and drank with the very same Pharisees whom He vigorously chastised for their falsehoods against God. Jesus Christ never did restrict His followers as far as who they can partner or not partner with in any aspect or dealing. Rather Jesus Christ made it clear to them in that all of their dealings, He alone should remain the one and only head, Master, Teacher, Leader, Authority, Shepherd, Counselor, and guide, over their individual existence. So, to claim that Paul attempted to cause people to, against Jesus Christ, completely disconnect themselves from the sinners and unbelievers is to suggest Paul stood against Jesus Christ in some way.

ijustdey:


https://dailytrust.com/im-a-bride-waiting-to-be-dressed-up-says-oonis-estranged-queen/

emmyN:
■ You understand very little about the bible and it's telling in how you misrepresented that passage. You should refrain from making further exegesis.

Kobojunkie:
1. In the Kingdom of God, The one who is the leader over you is the one you worship(submit to and obey)— Jesus Christ made that abundantly clear to all His followers - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 & Matthew 6 vs 24.

2. It seems to me that you are not actually born-again to begin with because the questions you ask clearly indicate you don't have a valid experience for yourself of God as we speak. Please visit the following link to verify that you are in fact born-again according to Jesus Christ Himself, and not according to stories fed to you by your pastors and mogs https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump/3#120563417

The born-again experience is not of con(-fidence) or the imagination. It involves daily interactions with the very spirit of Eternal Life 24/7 experience that no one who ever experienced it can be mistaken for something else. Access into the Kingdom of God begins here in this life and not somewhere out in the future somewhere after you are dead, else, Jesus Christ failed.

3. God's Law and agreement refers to His Constitutional Law in the Land He has given to you. The contract defines an agreement that God expects you to live in submission to and obey all the days of your life if you are to partake of the blessings and rewards He has in store for you. Not everyone alive can partake of those rewards and blessings meaning only those who enter into an agreement with God and in fact, obey God every moment of every day can do so.

4. What you quote there are laws God gave to all of mankind before the fall of man. As Jesus Christ clearly explained to you in the context of the same Matthew 19 vs 1 - 4, that was how it was in the beginning before man chose instead to disobey God. Jesus Christ made this much clear in His teaching right there, that that was what applied before men decided to go their own way away from God.

abbey621:
■ Stop contradicting yourself and read what I wrote:
■ If nothing happens in the universe without him knowing and we are all guided by fate/destiny, how then can you say it was not part of the contract. You're saying basically the phrase, be fruitful and multiply is meaningless. You're also saying, the phrase, "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder” (Matthew 19:6) is a lie......Are you contradicting Jesus? I HOPE NOT!
■ If you say these passages were before man chose to go astray then I hope you're kidding because Matthew is a long way from Genesis. Finally, ARE YOU BORN AGAIN? Your history on Nairaland contradicts such assertion. No true born again argues on social media the way you do, please reflect and stop deflecting!

ijustdey:


https://dailytrust.com/im-a-bride-waiting-to-be-dressed-up-says-oonis-estranged-queen/

Kobojunkie:
1. At this point, I think it is safe to suggest you stop using the word "contradicting: since it is clear you don't understand its correct application at all..

2. See what religious has done to the minds of men? The book is written in human language and so you are expected to respect language etiquette which includes respecting context. Jesus Christ pointed out what existed in the beginning before God's judgement against mankind, to then indicate the change that is the current. Don't try to validate Jesus Christ against what you have been fed by your pastors and mogs. Rather accept Jesus Christ as the base truth and validate the claims made by your pastors and mogs against the Truth as declared by Jesus Christ Himself.

3. Passages where what? I said what Jesus Christ said in the passage....anyways. God back and read Genesis 3 vs 16 -22 to catch up on God's curse against mankind after the fall. God cursed marriage and even childbirth. Yes, the same God who asked men to multiply cursed their multiplying after man fell. Anyways, you need to unplug your head from the arse of religion to see what is written in that same book you lot claim you believe in but clearly don't follow at all.

abbey621:
■ You are quoting Genesis but I quoted Matthews, I suggest you go back and read the passages. Which was written first, Genesis or Matthews? So in your infinite wisdom, God cursed marriage and childbirth but in Matthews:

Jesus told the Pharisees, “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder” (Matthew 19:6).

This has nothing to do with what Pastors say but what is written in the Bible itself, so answer the question? Are you saying God contradicted himself? Are you saying the Bible itself is a contradiction? If you read Matthews 19 further, you'll see where Jesus talked about divorce, so once again in your infinite wisdom, you're saying marriage has nothing to do with God yet Jesus talked about it to the point of divorce? Are you sure you're deeply connected to the spirit? Looks like you've argued yourself into a corner my friend

1. After Jesus said all these things, he left Galilee. He went into the area of Judea on the other side of the Jordan River.
2 Many people followed him. Jesus healed the sick people there.
3 Some Pharisees came to Jesus. They tried to make him say something wrong. They asked him, “Is it right for a man to divorce his wife for any reason he chooses?”
4 Jesus answered, “Surely you have read this in the Scriptures: When God made the world, ‘he made people male and female.
5 And God said, ‘That is why a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife. And the two people will become one.’
6 So they are no longer two, but one. God has joined them together, so no one should separate them.”
7 The Pharisees asked, “Then why did Moses give a command allowing a man to divorce his wife by writing a certificate of divorce[c]?”
8 Jesus answered, “Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because you refused to accept God’s teaching. But divorce was not allowed in the beginning. - Matthew 19 vs 1 - 8

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, pay attention to the contextual context rather than lifting a verse out of context to assert a meaning separate from that intended by its speaker.
The scriptures from which Jesus Christ quoted in that context are found in the book of Genesis.

abbey621:
■ So are you saying Jesus was quoting an irrelevant or outdated word of God? Please make it make sense . We all know Matthews was written long after Genesis so why would Jesus quote such if it no longer applied? Your entire premise is that the contract we have with God does not include marriage since we fell from grace during Genesis, so once again why would Jesus refer back to that?
■ I'm loving this, you keep digging yourself deeper.....

Kobojunkie:
1. Read the passage for yourself to properly digest what Jesus Christ in fact said as opposed to what you have been pushing all this while. His statement was clearly in reference to how it was in the beginning before men fell. And we all know that the deal/contract/Law God had with Man ended after Adam fell and God cursed mankind in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22. Jesus Christ made reference to that incident to indicate that God's judgment/ruling against mankind, in the beginning, stands even in the Kingdom of God. -

2. Your confusion isn't mine at all.

WHY WOULD DIVORCE BE CONSIDERED ADULTERY WHEN MARRIAGE ITSELF IS OF NO CONCERN TO GOD? SINCE MARRIAGE IS NOT IN THE CONTRACT, WHY WOULD HUMANS BE PUNISHED FOR THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE CONTRACT? YOU SEE SAY YOUR ENTIRE PREMISE GET K LEG?

abbey621:
■ You need to stick to facts rather than your own interpretation. Here are the complete passages with context:...
■ WHY WOULD DIVORCE BE CONSIDERED ADULTERY WHEN MARRIAGE ITSELF IS OF NO CONCERN TO GOD? SINCE MARRIAGE IS NOT IN THE CONTRACT, WHY WOULD HUMANS BE PUNISHED FOR THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE CONTRACT? YOU SEE SAY YOUR ENTIRE PREMISE GET K LEG?

31 “It was also said, ‘Any man who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.’
32 But I tell you that any man who divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, is causing his wife to be guilty of adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman is guilty of adultery. - Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

7 The Pharisees asked, “Then why did Moses give a command allowing a man to divorce his wife by writing a certificate of divorce?”
8 Jesus answered, “Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because you refused to accept God’s teaching. But divorce was not allowed in the beginning.
9 I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, and marries another woman is guilty of adultery.” - Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

10 Later, when the followers and Jesus were in the house, they asked him again about the question of divorce. 
11 He said, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman has sinned against his wife. He is guilty of adultery. 
12  And the woman who divorces her husband and marries another man is also guilty of adultery.” - Mark 10 vs 10- 12

18 “Any man who divorces his wife and marries another woman is guilty of adultery. And the man who marries a divorced woman is also guilty of adultery.” - Luke 16 vs 18

Kobojunkie:
1. Pay attention to the specific question asked in verse 7 to which Jesus Christ then tailored his follow-up response.

2. You need to open your eyes in order to in fact see that divorce is not considered adultery, nor sin, in the entirety of the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ. In the Gospels, Jesus Christ does not teach that divorce is a sin. Instead, He speaks instead of remarriage being a potential sin for those already divorced, and even those about to marry for the first time. Below you find all references to divorce in all 4 Gospels, and as you can see, not once is divorce directly cited as a sin.

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■ Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

■ Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

■Mark 10 vs 10- 12

■ Luke 16 vs 18

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Divorce in and of itself is not a sin, so says Jesus Christ.

Obaofaba:
Any man that climb you will die miserably

abbey621:
■ You still dey disguise, let me play your game......So if marriage is not part of the contract why would Jesus talk about one of the consequences of marriage which is divorce?
■ Why would he be concerned with how a divorced person chose to move on with his or her life? How can marriage not be part of the contract but adultery based on marriage/divorce part of the teachings of Jesus? Again I ask you, please make it make sense, contradictions upon contradictions

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ did not speak of divorce as a consequence of marriage.

2. To answer this question for yourself, you have to make time to read through the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ. As Jesus Christ made clear, your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36; if you do not first accept that Truth of His, you will only end up arguing yourself in circles.

Obaofaba:
Any man that climb you will die miserably

ijustdey:


https://dailytrust.com/im-a-bride-waiting-to-be-dressed-up-says-oonis-estranged-queen/

saphiere:
We all are waiting to be dressed up in our ceremonial wears.

God please come to our aid.
Listen to our secret cry.

Meanwhile;

BloomingDale:


As if anyone is also lining up to marry ran through misogynist with sagging balls and soft prick.

saphiere:
seun this guy says "modsareusless" calling out honourable mods useless.
Lalasticlala

theInterpreter:
wassup, my dcck is firm

BloomingDale:

BrotherSade:
😎

Marry someone who connects with your spirit.

Don't marry someone who is serving and worshipping Ogun, when you're serving God.

You cannot serve Two Masters at a time 😎

abbey621:
■ He spoke about divorce in the context of marriage, whether good or bad, you cannot go through a divorce without being married.
■ You're seriously quoting Luke20:34-36? Really, are you serious? Jesus was talking about resurrection, what is dead may never die, of what use is marriage during resurrection? Each shall be judged individually, no family, no papa or mama. Marriage is for those in the world, don't confuse this with your interpretation that the God has nothing to do with marriage. Ogbeni you're funny, this is pure comedic entertainment

Kobojunkie:
1. Sure, he did but He equally made it clear that marriage itself had nothing to do with the Kingdom of God. It's kinda the same way He spoke of obedience in the context of faith without suggesting in any way or form that all acts of faith are of God.

2. Yes, I am serious. Those who are born-again in this life will never die. They become citizens of the Kingdom which Jesus Christ spoke of even while living - John 3 vs 1 - 21. This isn't my interpretation by the way as it is instead what is written in scripture. Even Paul alluded to the very same teachings of Jesus Christ in his letter to the Corinthians where he explains that some will not need to die to experience the transformation from this world to the Kingdom - 1 Corinthians 15. Don't take Paul's words though as he was instead attempting to explain that which is Jesus Christ to people who were struggling to grasp it. You should spend more time reading through the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ.

abbey621:
■ Marriage itself has nothing to do with kingdom of God is not the same as saying God does not bless marriages.
■ It is not the same as saying church weddings are invalidated because it has nothing to do with God's kingdom.
■ We seem to be operating from different point of interpretation because I see in no shape or form how what you wrote translates to your initial point of discussion.
■ You're basically saying the lord spoke from both sides of his mouth when it comes to marriages, he speaks about the many variables in marriages but maintains that marriage itself has nothing to do with God.......Doesn't that sound silly?