una don start, now na izanami and izanagi, what about ibanami?

KazeKage1:
Is there anywhere in the Narutopedia that suggests the old Uchihas back then required Senju DNA to perform Izanagi?

Is there anywhere in the manga that suggests that they didn't require it?

tayoccu: All the peeps that believe uchihas need senju dna in other to use either the Izanagi, Izanami or both should please provide a link to a manga page where it was stated, else they should stop pulling hypothesis out of thin air.

Soon we go hear say uchiha need senju dna to activate their sharingan.

Check out Danzo's fight with Sasuke and you'll get some info. Check Tobi vs Konan too.

I have no desire to go hunting those pages like the last "Sasuke awoke mangekyou vs Sasuke was given mangekyou powers". You know where to look now.

http://94.23.34.161/manga/mangas/Nar...0At%209/04.jpg

I think the Uchihas could use Izanagi by default but its use died down over the years and coupled with the fact that it was labeled a kinjutsu, it wasn't talked about much till the last Uchihas (Tobi/Itachi) were shown talking about/using it.

Obito could use Izanagi by default cause he's Uchiha and knew the implications, hence the stockpile of sharingan. The senju cells he had in him ONLY lengthened the duration of the Izanagi, nothing more.

"Izanagi can only be used by those with the genetic traits of the Sage of the Six Paths. The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan. In exchange for the brief control of reality that it allows them, the Sharingan with which Izanagi is cast becomes blind. For this reason the Uchiha labelled it a kinjutsu. Danzō Shimura, in an effort to make practical use of the technique, had ten Sharingan embedded into his right arm".

Senju cells basically extend the period of use. It is not a pre-requisite to use the jutsu.

Unless Uchiha shinobis were implanting Senju cells in themselves back then..

No need to salivate here

We first here of izanagi when danzo fights sasuke and obito describes is the forbidden technique requiring uchiha eyes and senju dna

Why una like to dey argue like this

tayoccu: All the peeps that believe uchihas need senju dna in other to use either the Izanagi, Izanami or both should please provide a link to a manga page where it was stated, else they should stop pulling hypothesis out of thin air.

Soon we go hear say uchiha need senju dna to activate their sharingan.

KazeKage1:
Is there anywhere in the Narutopedia that suggests the old Uchihas back then required Senju DNA to perform Izanagi?

FYI Narutopedia is just like a wikipedia site that anybody can update like you or myself
if u say there is nowhere that says the Uchihas required senju dna to perform izanagi, I will also tell you there is NOWHERE that says they dont need it

I dont get u... Do you think kishi created narutopedia... that is laughbale

eyoniggar: una don start, now na izanami and izanagi, what about ibanami?

i tire,,, people just like to dey argue

First it was is byakugan and sharingan related... i showed it was
Now its izanagi is a pure uchiha jutsu....

KazeKage1: I think the Uchihas could use Izanagi by default but its use died down over the years and coupled with the fact that it was labeled a kinjutsu, it wasn't talked about much till the last Uchihas (Tobi/Itachi) were shown talking about/using it.

Obito could use Izanagi by default cause he's Uchiha and knew the implications, hence the stockpile of sharingan. The senju cells he had in him ONLY lengthened the duration of the Izanagi, nothing more.

"Izanagi can only be used by those with the genetic traits of the Sage of the Six Paths. The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan. In exchange for the brief control of reality that it allows them, the Sharingan with which Izanagi is cast becomes blind. For this reason the Uchiha labelled it a kinjutsu. Danzō Shimura, in an effort to make practical use of the technique, had ten Sharingan embedded into his right arm".

Senju cells basically extend the period of use. It is not a pre-requisite to use the jutsu.

Unless Uchiha shinobis were implanting Senju cells in themselves back then..

Look at bolded... how do you have the generic traits of the sage if u dont have both dnas

biolabee:

FYI Narutopedia is just like a wikipedia site that anybody can update like you or myself
if u say there is nowhere that says the Uchihas required senju dna to perform izanagi, I will also tell you there is NOWHERE that says they dont need it

I dont get u... Do you think kishi created narutopedia... that is laughable

No YOUR argument is laughable.
First, you go on about how inaccurate narutopedia is and in the same breath you pick a line from Narutopedia to use? From the SAME narutopedia you just condemned?

If the Uchihas were running around using the jutsu anyhow, wouldn't they be needing a steady supply of fresh/not-so-fresh Senju corpses to keep their Izanagi juice going?

And FYI, the Narutopedia i was actually referring to is the actual manga/anime itself, not some fan-made article on some website.

I'll stop here.

KK, you don try!

So your argument is that the old Uchihas could not have been implanting Senju dna in themselves. Why is that a valid assumption? When you consider the long-running war between the two clans, two things become quite clear: (1)the Uchiha would have had easy access to Senju dna, and (2)they would have had they would have had reason to use it.

Now, I'll freely admit that you have a pretty strong point with the duration explanation. I don't remember clearly how Tobi put it, but it seems that he did say that possession of Senju dna increased the duration of the jutsu. You'll need to post solid evidence though. But I seem to remember him saying quite distinctly to Konan that he could use Izanagi because he had both bloodlines. I'll see if I can find the page and confirm.

If he did say so, then your argument is pretty much damaged, buddy. Perhaps not completely destroyed but very badly damaged.

PS. The page you posted is not evidence that the old Uchiha did not use Senju dna.

KK, you don try!

So your argument is that the old Uchihas could not have been implanting Senju dna in themselves. Why is that a valid assumption? When you consider the long-running war between the two clans, two things become quite clear: (1)the Uchiha would have had easy access to Senju dna, and (2)they would have had they would have had reason to use it.

Now, I'll freely admit that you have a pretty strong point with the duration explanation. I don't remember clearly how Tobi put it, but it seems that he did say that possession of Senju dna increased the duration of the jutsu. You'll need to post solid evidence though. But I seem to remember him saying quite distinctly to Konan that he could use Izanagi because he had both bloodlines. I'll see if I can find the page and confirm.

If he did say so, then your argument is pretty much damaged, buddy. Perhaps not completely destroyed but very badly damaged.

PS. The page you posted is not evidence that the old Uchiha did not use Senju dna.

the confused ones should google izanagi and izanami...theyre both solely for the uchihas. why didnt you guys say Hashirama is the only one with Mokuton cos he must hava had Uchihas dna at some point?

KK, you don try!

So your argument is that the old Uchihas could not have been implanting Senju dna in themselves. Why is that a valid assumption? When you consider the long-running war between the two clans, two things become quite clear: (1)the Uchiha would have had easy access to Senju dna, and (2)they would have had they would have had reason to use it.

Now, I'll freely admit that you have a pretty strong point with the duration explanation. I don't remember clearly how Tobi put it, but it seems that he did say that possession of Senju dna increased the duration of the jutsu. You'll need to post solid evidence though. But I seem to remember him saying quite distinctly to Konan that he could use Izanagi because he had both bloodlines. I'll see if I can find the page and confirm.

If he did say so, then your argument is pretty much damaged, buddy. Perhaps not completely destroyed but very badly damaged.

PS. The page you posted is not evidence that the old Uchiha did not use Senju dna.

Tosyn007: the confused ones should google izanagi and izanami...theyre both solely for the uchihas. why didnt you guys say Hashirama is the only one with Mokuton cos he must hava had Uchihas dna at some point?

What does this even mean? What does Hashi's Mokuton have to do with this discussion?

KazeKage1:
No YOUR argument is laughable.
First, you go on about how inaccurate narutopedia is and in the same breath you pick a line from Narutopedia to use? From the SAME narutopedia you just condemned?

If the Uchihas were running around using the jutsu anyhow, wouldn't they be needing a steady supply of fresh/not-so-fresh Senju corpses to keep their Izanagi juice going?

And FYI, the Narutopedia i was actually referring to is the actual manga/anime itself, not some fan-made article on some website.

dude,, read others post circumspectly before you assume
I never use narutopedia for support as it could have been someone like you who updated it

The canons are the manga itself and fan books created by Kishi himself

I said just as you say there is no information saying the uchihas needed senju dna to perform dna, there is no DEFINITE information that they did not need senju dna to perform it

Read others post brah
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You guys are the ones retroactively creating logic to say kakashi(a borrowed user of the EMS) could beat a rinnegan + EMS user explaining childhood genin crap

You guys were the ones saying the sliver of chakra from 8 - n 9 tails is enough to create a perfect juubi

I really just wonder at all your hypotheses

KazeKage1:
Show me proof of what you just typed.

I should show u proof that kishi did not create narutopedia

Now you see that it is laughable

Obito has always been a pathological liar, yet you choose to believe him? Camaan mate, I expect better from you!

The senju cells serve just two purposes for Izanagi; Increase the time range and keeping you on your feet as using the technique is chakra-tasking. Danzo used it 9/10 times (1 minute each) and was STILL standing.

The cost of using this thing is your eye (as an Uchiha), nothing more. Will the Senju DNA replace the lost eye? NO. So,what really is the point of using Senju DNA as an Uchiha again?

If the Uchihas DID require Senju DNA to perform,which is silly, then it's safe to say that Naruto will awaken the Sharingan/MS/EMS/Rinnegan.

Tosyn007: the confused ones should google izanagi and izanami...theyre both solely for the uchihas. why didnt you guys say Hashirama is the only one with Mokuton cos he must hava had Uchihas dna at some point?

I tire

Not too sure though, but as far as I have been reading the manga, Izanagi can be performed by an uchiha without the DNA of a Senju,and its sacrifice is that the eye used will lose its sight and die, Danzo isnt an Uchiha, but he was only able to perform it with the implantation of the 1st cells in his body for him to perform izanagi.

eyoniggar: Not too sure though, but as far as I have been reading the manga, Izanagi can be performed by an uchiha without the DNA of a Senju,and its sacrifice is that the eye used will lose its sight and die, Danzo isnt an Uchiha, but he was only able to perform it with the implantation of the 1st cells in his body for him to perform izanagi.

I don't know why this thing is so hard to understand.

Still an assumption

eyoniggar: Not too sure though, but as far as I have been reading the manga, Izanagi can be performed by an uchiha without the DNA of a Senju,and its sacrifice is that the eye used will lose its sight and die, Danzo isnt an Uchiha, but he was only able to perform it with the implantation of the 1st cells in his body for him to perform izanagi.

biolabee:

I should show u proof that kishi did not create narutopedia

Now you see that it is laughable

I'll stop, seeing as you can't/won't answer my question. Trolling/being trolled is something I don't like.

why narutopedia might not be infallible (referring to the Madara possesing amaterasu problem)
it is still the best reference point aside from kishi's work so why the hate ?

KazeKage1: Obito has always been a pathological liar, yet you choose to believe him? Camaan mate, I expect better from you!

The senju cells serve just two purposes for Izanagi; Increase the time range and keeping you on your feet as using the technique is chakra-tasking. Danzo used it 9/10 times (1 minute each) and was STILL standing.

The cost of using this thing is your eye (as an Uchiha), nothing more. Will the Senju DNA replace the lost eye? NO. So,what really is the point of using Senju DNA as an Uchiha again?

If the Uchihas DID require Senju DNA to perform,which is silly, then it's safe to say that Naruto will awaken the Sharingan/MS/EMS/Rinnegan.


I tire

Let's not descend into absurdity, bros. Obito may be a pathological liar but did he lie about every single thing? Again, you'll need to prove that he was a pathological liar. The manga reads more like he deliberately employed deceit to secure his objectives rather than lie for the hell of it. So, it wants proving that he was a pathological liar.

Again, how exactly does the Uchiha's needing Senju dna to perform a jutsu with their sharingan equate to Naruto awaking any ocular powers? I just don't see how in the world the two things fit into the same sentence. That's argumentum ad absurdum.

As for the purpose of the Senju dna in the performance of the jutsu, I did ask you to provide proof, didn't I? I am willing to consider any proof you offer.

I see only two strong points in your argument: the issue of extended duration which I have asked you to substantiate and the fact that Izanagi and Izanami are twin jutsus. Go do your work and let's see what that does to the argument.

eyoniggar: Not too sure though, but as far as I have been reading the manga, Izanagi can be performed by an uchiha without the DNA of a Senju,and its sacrifice is that the eye used will lose its sight and die, Danzo isnt an Uchiha, but he was only able to perform it with the implantation of the 1st cells in his body for him to perform izanagi.

Proof.

Ihedinobi:

Proof.

of what specifically? Please state!

eyoniggar:

of what specifically? Please state!

Are you for real?

Una don start o....
Its beginning to sound like we're in the Politics section in here.


Ehen.

narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/10
^proof
izanagi needs both senju and uchiha cells to work. Kishi ruined the symmetry of both jutsu
Izanami is starting to look like an unplanned jutsu created to get itachi out of a tight spot i won't be surprised if we don't see anymore

KazeKage1:
I'll stop, seeing as you can't/won't answer my question. Trolling/being trolled is something I don't like.

Now im a troll...
U propound an indefensible theory n then bapitise those who ask u for proof as trolls?!

Brisingr:
Izanami is starting to look like an unplanned jutsu created to get itachi out of a tight spot i won't be surprised if we don't see anymore

Mehn u are rite abt keshi not knowin wat to do abt itachi's fight against (kabuto) a PAWAFUL FOE

I don't understand why you guys are arguing! As far as I'm concerned, no matter what one party say or present as proof, the other party won't agree unless kishi steps into the matter. I know you guys have theories and proofs but they aren't solid enough so it's safe to assume any of you is right. So, stop wasting chakra and continue discussing the last episode.