DieVluit:


B.R.I.N.G. T.H.E. S.O.U.R.C.E.S.

Let's see if any intelligence lives in you.

one fool asks for Source, the other nicompoop says it's stale news. LOL, chameleon southies, keep shifting the goal posts to change the game's outcome.


I'm displaying this source not because you want it, but because i love to shove it into your stupid, ignorant throat. There's your source, glory-thieves :m.mg.co.za/index.php?view=article&urlid=2012-05-04-lack-of-funds-leaves-sa-vulnerable

overhypedsteve:
no. Boko haram was a comical group before the aftermath of the libyan war and the Tuareg militants in the Maghreb. The connection, experience and equipment that Boko HAram has in its control will make the M23 rebels look like a Boyscout club.

I ask Nigeria to ask the SANDF to get rid of BH, it will be a job done - easy.

postmann:
one fool asks for Source, the other nicompoop says it's stale news. LOL, chameleon southies, keep shifting the goal posts to change the game's outcome.


I'm displaying this source not because you want it, but because i love to shove it into your stupid, ignorant throat. There's your source, glory-thieves :m.mg.co.za/index.php?view=article&urlid=2012-05-04-lack-of-funds-leaves-sa-vulnerable

Again, try posting something more modern... 2 years in news timeline is considered to be archived news.

overhypedsteve:
no. Boko haram was a comical group before the aftermath of the libyan war and the Tuareg militants in the Maghreb. The connection, experience and equipment that Boko HAram has in its control will make the M23 rebels look like a Boyscout club.

Tuaregs are Mali not Nigeria

There is no link

patches689:


Tuaregs are Mali not Nigeria

There is no link

there are Tuaregs in northern Nigeria as well dummy

ActivateKruger:


I ask Nigeria to ask the SANDF to get rid of BH, it will be a job done - easy.

tell them to get rid of rhino poachers first ..

patches689:


Tuaregs are Mali not Nigeria

There is no link

patches689:


Tuaregs are Mali not Nigeria

There is no link

what are you saying?
you need to spend time to research on ethnoreligious conflicts in the islamic maghreb on the 21st century. How could you say they are not related? Please can somebody here help me to tell this young man that the tuaregs in mali had links enough with Boko haram that even when Nigerian troops were been moved to be deployed in Mali " AL ansaru" the hostage taking and international arm of Bokoharam detonated a IED on their convoy killing 2 men and injuring five.
http://beegeagle./2013/01/19/2-nigerian-soldiers-killed-as-suspected-terrorists-attack-military-convoy-in-central-nigeria/
you can check the list of terrorist attck on wiki for verification if you pls.
The Tuaregs are related enough for us to nigeria to have sent its secret service to mali long before the international intervention to study the connections between boko haram and the malian war.
It is related enough for us to start seeing weapons and artillery used in the malian war in nigeria after the war. It should be noted also that it was after the malian war that Bokoharam started using AAA mounted technicals and some ex-tuareg toyota machine gun trucks. How can you say it is unrelated? My man in extremism there is nthing like unrelatedness. British citizens are now pubicly fighting and beheading people under ISiS in Iraq and syria and so also american citizens xo my friend dont ever say they are not related
http://m.aljazeera.com/se/201463115816142554
they are related nigeria i fighting a international war that up until now have not been documented under any known intellectual compedium on strategic studies. I feel really bad that we do not have any african country competent enough to share intelligence, equipments and also train with cus it is better to ask for help from a brother than a friend. As for all of you blaming nigeria for asking for western support, i must make it clear to you that nigeria would have asked for african support if there happened to be any african country that was dependable enough to help. Just imagine cameroon that we re supposed to rely on. Always running to the news to gain attention at the expence of nigeria issues that ought to be passed through diplomatic channels are being exposed to the media to undermine the efforts of a brother nation. Is this not what we re all boasting about? That SA seized nigerian money and therefore SA is powerful ( is that not an insane parametre to measure how strong a state is, if thats how power should be measured then liberia can kill all nigerian citizens in its country and call itself powerful) i keep telling you people that the western powers have no business in Africa if we could form a united front to solve our problems. I told your man Lord Eeben the other time and he took up the maxim a african solution to a african problem

overhypedsteve:
no. Boko haram was a comical group before the aftermath of the libyan war and the Tuareg militants in the Maghreb. The connection, experience and equipment that Boko HAram has in its control will make the M23 rebels look like a Boyscout club.

Only a military of clowns would allow a comical group to build a stockpile of weapons and supply lines.

As I said, the Nigerian military made BH look good. They grew from religious clowns to killers that made Nigerian soldiers shiver under your watch.

postmann:
one fool asks for Source, the other nicompoop says it's stale news. LOL, chameleon southies, keep shifting the goal posts to change the game's outcome.


I'm displaying this source not because you want it, but because i love to shove it into your stupid, ignorant throat. There's your source, glory-thieves :m.mg.co.za/index.php?view=article&urlid=2012-05-04-lack-of-funds-leaves-sa-vulnerable

The source itself is a broken joke. Says lots about the author of the thread containing it. You need something stronger than this outdated stuff.

iterator25:
tell them to get rid of rhino poachers first ..

Why?

overhypedsteve:
what are you saying?
you need to spend time to research on ethnoreligious conflicts in the islamic maghreb on the 21st century. How could you say they are not related? Please can somebody here help me to tell this young man that the tuaregs in mali had links enough with Boko haram that even when Nigerian troops were been moved to be deployed in Mali " AL ansaru" the hostage taking and international arm of Bokoharam detonated a IED on their convoy killing 2 men and injuring five.
http://beegeagle./2013/01/19/2-nigerian-soldiers-killed-as-suspected-terrorists-attack-military-convoy-in-central-nigeria/
you can check the list of terrorist attck on wiki for verification if you pls.
The Tuaregs are related enough for us to nigeria to have sent its secret service to mali long before the international intervention to study the connections between boko haram and the malian war.
It is related enough for us to start seeing weapons and artillery used in the malian war in nigeria after the war. It should be noted also that it was after the malian war that Bokoharam started using AAA mounted technicals and some ex-tuareg toyota machine gun trucks. How can you say it is unrelated? My man in extremism there is nthing like unrelatedness. British citizens are now pubicly fighting and beheading people under ISiS in Iraq and syria and so also american citizens xo my friend dont ever say they are not related
http://m.aljazeera.com/se/201463115816142554
they are related nigeria i fighting a international war that up until now have not been documented under any known intellectual compedium on strategic studies. I feel really bad that we do not have any african country competent enough to share intelligence, equipments and also train with cus it is better to ask for help from a brother than a friend. As for all of you blaming nigeria for asking for western support, i must make it clear to you that nigeria would have asked for african support if there happened to be any african country that was dependable enough to help. Just imagine cameroon that we re supposed to rely on. Always running to the news to gain attention at the expence of nigeria issues that ought to be passed through diplomatic channels are being exposed to the media to undermine the efforts of a brother nation. Is this not what we re all boasting about? That SA seized nigerian money and therefore SA is powerful ( is that not an insane parametre to measure how strong a state is, if thats how power should be measured then liberia can kill all nigerian citizens in its country and call itself powerful) i keep telling you people that the western powers have no business in Africa if we could form a united front to solve our problems. I told your man Lord Eeben the other time and he took up the maxim a african solution to a african problem

Following on your Tuareg-Boko Haram links, I find this very interesting:

http://www.allvoices.com/article/100001858

Nigeria: Boko Haram crisis and the regional geopolitics of oil (Part 2)

Anyway, African unity is a pipe dream, which in reality comes as a response to colonisation. What unites nations are symbiotic relationships, either in commerce or politics.

South Africa’s defence intelligence community is still on track to acquire a military satellite at a cost of over R1 billion.

This is dedicated to Henry120

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21627646-africas-lodestar-nation-has-weathered-ebola-extremist-takeover-has-exposed?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/anationdivided


In the field the army lacks the equipment and morale to give chase. Boko Haram destroyed much of the air fleet in a raid last year and is now free to ride around in large convoys unmolested from above. T[b]he generals have asked Western countries for new helicopters and other equipment but were told first to alter their tactics, respect human rights, create proper supply lines and learn counter-insurgency skills. [/b]America, among other countries, cannot offer Nigeria training and arms until its army respects human rights.

Hapless at chasing insurgents, the army is nonetheless skilled at extracting bribes. Troops sent to the north-east to fight Boko Haram run checkpoints as shakedown spots. On the road between Maiduguri and Damaturu drivers are stopped every 10km (6 miles) or so and are asked for money by soldiers. In some cases the bus driver collects the bribes from passengers before leaving and hands them over to speed things up. “You pay according to how much luggage you bring,” says a passenger.

The soldiers are only following the example of their generals, many of whom retire as millionaires. A budget supplement of $1 billion to fight Boko Haram is seen by some as a little more than a new trough for greedy officials. So little of the money reaches front lines that desertion is common. Troops frustrated by a lack of food and ammunition have shot at their own officers. Several have been sentenced to death by firing squad for mutiny.

One expert says the army “is close to being shattered”. It has about 18,000 troops in the north-east, an area populated by 10m widely dispersed people. About half the force, amounting to most of the combat-capable troops in the 60,000-strong army, is squatting in Maiduguri.

really,saffers on this thread must be getting really desperate,to resort to so much lies and half truths.how can you call a country that is spending over N1trillion{approx:$7billion} + a $1billion supplementary in 2014,is has a weak and underequipped military?,how can a nation that is giving advanced training to its troops in advanced military nations of the world,a weak nation?,if the current military budget were to continue over the span of the next 10 years,then the NAmF is going to be the most powerful military of the continent.even now most african nations cannot match us in sheer firepower,if the whole ECOWAS countries were ally together to fight nigeria,we will simply make quick work of them,they know that,thats why the ghanaian military chief said "an unstable nigeria,is an unstable west africa,it also spells doom for africa.that can never be allowed",can the same be said of SADAC?,tanzania alone will pose more than enough threat to SA.south africa can never lead the black race,its a puppet nation!

iterator25:
tell them to get rid of rhino poachers first ..

Rhino poaching =/= national security.

EVarn:
really,saffers on this thread must be getting really desperate,to resort to so much lies and half truths.how can you call a country that is spending over N1trillion{approx:$7billion} + a $1billion supplementary in 2014,is has a weak and underequipped military?,how can a nation that is giving advanced training to its troops in advanced military nations of the world,a weak nation?,if the current military budget were to continue over the span of the next 10 years,then the NAmF is going to be the most powerful military of the continent.even now most african nations cannot match us in sheer firepower,if the whole ECOWAS countries were ally together to fight nigeria,we will simply make quick work of them,they know that,thats why the ghanaian military chief said "an unstable nigeria,is an unstable west africa,it also spells doom for africa.that can never be allowed",can the same be said of SADAC?,tanzania alone will pose more than enough threat to SA.south africa can never lead the black race,its a puppet nation!

How can we? Because

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21627646-africas-lodestar-nation-has-weathered-ebola-extremist-takeover-has-exposed?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/anationdivided

DieVluit:


Following on your Tuareg-Boko Haram links, I find this very interesting:

http://www.allvoices.com/article/100001858

Nigeria: Boko Haram crisis and the regional geopolitics of oil (Part 2)

Anyway, African unity is a pipe dream, which in reality comes as a response to colonisation. What unites nations are symbiotic relationships, either in commerce or politics

going by the situation in other regions like europe Asia and the caribean you may be right. But may i remind you that africa can easily be classified as a nation of people binded together by a common skin colour, common history, common failures, common struggle, common injuries and common victories i.e. the victory over slavery, colonialism, apathied , racism and economic woes of newly independent states. We re unique my good friend. You cannot compare the bond that binds african states with that of any other nations on earth except the Arabs

DieVluit:


The source itself is a broken joke. Says lots about the author of the thread containing it. You need something stronger than this outdated stuff.

I was actually expecting your excuses. A 2012 article is outdated ? You think military structures are built likr blocks of flats. That article rightly pointed that it would take decades of 7billion to 11billion rands anually for your pathetic military to even be up to par with Rwanda.

I never thought you'd own up. You're the hallmark of a new level of shame and cowardice. Hehehehe.

EVarn:
really,saffers on this thread must be getting really desperate,to resort to so much lies and half truths.how can you call a country that is spending over N1trillion{approx:$7billion} + a $1billion supplementary in 2014,is has a weak and underequipped military?,how can a nation that is giving advanced training to its troops in advanced military nations of the world,a weak nation?,if the current military budget were to continue over the span of the next 10 years,then the NAmF is going to be the most powerful military of the continent.even now most african nations cannot match us in sheer firepower,if the whole ECOWAS countries were ally together to fight nigeria,we will simply make quick work of them,they know that,thats why the ghanaian military chief said "an unstable nigeria,is an unstable west africa,it also spells doom for africa.that can never be allowed",can the same be said of SADAC?,tanzania alone will pose more than enough threat to SA.south africa can never lead the black race,its a puppet nation!

These make the Nigerian Armed Forces weak;

- Corruption in leadership
- Poor training
- Poor equipment
- Infiltration by BH

Money is not solving your problem because of the first point.

Thiza:
South Africa’s defence intelligence community is still on track to acquire a military satellite at a cost of over R1 billion.

thats cool, i think africa may grow into something else by the later part of this century. Imagine two african nations Nigeria, southafrica (pending) having military satelites and even one african/nigerian satelite is on the global disaster warning constellation that one was able to take pictures of hurricane kathrina before any satelite in the world. We re moving towards somthing great but we wont get there with this our attitude towards each other. We can share intelligence and info from this satelites we could even from a African defence constellation with one of our satelite from nigeria and one from egypt and southafrica forming a triangle of defence intelligence sharing. Now thats just me " Greaming"

overhypedsteve:
going by the situation in other regions like europe Asia and the caribean you may be right. But may i remind you that africa can easily be classified as a nation of people binded together by a common skin colour, common history, common failures, common struggle, common injuries and common victories i.e. the victory over slavery, colonialism, apathied , racism and economic woes of newly independent states. We re unique my good friend. You cannot compare the bond that binds african states with that of any other nations on earth except the Arabs

My point exactly! Bound by what was done to them!

Europe is bound by what they are DOING in politics and commerce.

For as long as Africa defines its identity with reference to what was done to them, nothing will ever get done.

But, yes, this is an extreme view. I am sure there's the correct position between yours and mine somewhere.

postmann:
I was actually expecting your excuses. A 2012 article is outdated ? You think military structures are built likr blocks of flats. That article rightly pointed that it would take decades of 7billion to 11billion rands anually for your pathetic military to even be up to par with Rwanda.

I never thought you'd own up. You're the hallmark of a new level of shame and cowardice. Hehehehe.

Let me see, another dummbo who has never seen this article... page back to 2012 in this thread, you will find bullet holes South Africans made in that article.... Augububu and Henry don't even bother talking about it..

And yes, we have spent R4bn on a single exercise just a few months back.

Invalid argument

postmann:
I was actually expecting your excuses. A 2012 article is outdated ? You think military structures are built likr blocks of flats. That article rightly pointed that it would take decades of 7billion to 11billion rands anually for your pathetic military to even be up to par with Rwanda.

I never thought you'd own up. You're the hallmark of a new level of shame and cowardice. Hehehehe.

Here's a tip:

Persuasion skills thump force-feeding skills.

Persuade us through sound argument. Don't bark at us in the hope that you'll force us to see what you see. You'll get nowhere.

Your info is OUTDATED and that's that. Overtaken by events and overtaken by this thread.

Spambot got Thiza

DieVluit:


My point exactly! Bound by what was done to them!

Europe is bound by what they are DOING in politics and commerce.

For as long as Africa defines its identity with reference to what was done to them, nothing will ever get done.

But, yes, this is an extreme view. I am sure there's the correct position between yours and mine somewhere.

there is something i ve learnt from looking through the leaves of big textbooks of foreign politics. It is the fact that "in the international system the end justifies the means" so i now understand why you southafricans act the way you do, so what commercial and economic interest did southafrica have in CAR when it deployed troops there? Since you are an advocates of non-sentimentalism in international relations

DieVluit:
Spambot got Thiza

Lol, it keeps getting him.

overhypedsteve:
there is something i ve learnt from looking through the leaves of big textbooks of foreign politics. It is the fact that "in the international system the end justifies the means" so i now understand why you southafricans act the way you do, so what commercial and economic interest did southafrica have in CAR when it deployed troops there? Since you are an advocates of non-sentimentalism in international relations

Ok, well you do know that our deployment was in accordance with a bilateral agreement between the two countries, right? It was billed as a training mission...?

I believe the interest was diamonds in the central african region and a presence closer to the DRC too.

ActivateKruger:


Lol, it keeps getting him.

Yeah, he likes posting entire articles

EVarn:
really,saffers on this thread must be getting really desperate,to resort to so much lies and half truths.how can you call a country that is spending over N1trillion{approx:$7billion} + a $1billion supplementary in 2014,is has a weak and underequipped military?,how can a nation that is giving advanced training to its troops in advanced military nations of the world,a weak nation?,if the current military budget were to continue over the span of the next 10 years,then the NAmF is going to be the most powerful military of the continent.even now most african nations cannot match us in sheer firepower,if the whole ECOWAS countries were ally together to fight nigeria,we will simply make quick work of them,they know that,thats why the ghanaian military chief said "an unstable nigeria,is an unstable west africa,it also spells doom for africa.that can never be allowed",can the same be said of SADAC?,tanzania alone will pose more than enough threat to SA.south africa can never lead the black race,its a puppet nation!

.how can you call a country that is spending over N1trillion{approx:$7billion} + a $1billion supplementary in 2014,is has a weak and underequipped military?

First, you are buying sub-par equipment.

Second, your arsenal is pathetic, let me list some examples:

1. ALL of your heavy armor is obsolete (T54/55, AMX, Vickers)
2. Your light tanks are also, obsolete
4. You operate 21 seperate models APC's and IFV's and Scout vehicals - most are obsolete or aging, this mean that they are of limited use and are a logistical nightmare
5. ALL of your ATGM's are obsolete
6. Your artillery is a mess
7. You air defence is completely obsolete and based on a hodgepodge of 4 seperate gun systems and 4 obsolete missile systems

Your arsenal is a mess, is well beyond block obsolescence

It shows that you have no single direct doctrine, it shows that your logistics in operations will be a mess and rumor has it most of them arent operational

,how can a nation that is giving advanced training to its troops in advanced military nations of the world,a weak nation?

The fact that you need to send your troops for training shows you are weak.

if the current military budget were to continue over the span of the next 10 years,then the NAmF is going to be the most powerful military of the continent

And your country and economy will be in the tubes as you are spending 2/3s your budget on your military

f the whole ECOWAS countries were ally together to fight nigeria,we will simply make quick work of them,they know that,thats why the ghanaian military chief said "an unstable nigeria,is an unstable west africa,it also spells doom for africa.that can never be allowed"

Boko haram alone has been whipping you so no, you wouldent

And he is talking about the destabilizing effect of a civil war in a country with a population of 150 million

can the same be said of SADAC?,tanzania alone will pose more than enough threat to SA

The tanzanian military would be target practice for us.

SA.south africa can never lead the black race,its a puppet nation!

The irony of this sentence

DieVluit:


Here's a tip:

Persuasion skills thump force-feeding skills.

Persuade us through sound argument. Don't bark at us in the hope that you'll force us to see what you see. You'll get nowhere.

Your info is OUTDATED and that's that. Overtaken by events and overtaken by this thread.

which country turns around a pariah, dilapidated weak military institution around in 2 years ? Answer : no country. So if SA is military is down and out in 2012, it still is today. Have another try.



And i don't fall for the well-worn "out-dated news" strategy.

postmann:
I was actually expecting your excuses. A 2012 article is outdated ? You think military structures are built likr blocks of flats. That article rightly pointed that it would take decades of 7billion to 11billion rands anually for your pathetic military to even be up to par with Rwanda.

I never thought you'd own up. You're the hallmark of a new level of shame and cowardice. Hehehehe.

No, it didnt say that at all.

It said it will take 9 billion rand to replace some of our older equipment and to put our military on par with the standards we have set for it.

We are the most advanced military in Southern Africa, this is an indisputable fact