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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Kay17: 12:23pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
Mogidi: What should matter is whether the detention was fair, useful and lawful. If it is not either of those, then there is no good reason to support the detention. It is a further indication of incompetence on the part of the military. And another way this can make sense, is if you believe the military is unquestionable and a carnage is necessary to do their job. 3 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Babacele: 12:25pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
MissMeiya:Omo, u sabi english well well o if I fit sabi English like you, chai. Endless optimism abi sensless optimism. |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by nkpommpko(m): 12:25pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
Where are the presidents when this is happening! Which people are involved are they untouchable! Can't we ever change? |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Nobody: 12:27pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
OP i think u shud just shut ur trap, wat choice does the military have in order to restore peace in the area. You should be blaming ur fore fathers for putting u and the entire nigerians in this mess and not the present Nigerian military. If u were in that region you will be the first to point fingers at suspects and demand their arrest. 2 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by BekeeBuAgbara: 12:27pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
There are many Boko Haram members on this thread. 3 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Nobody: 12:28pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
Babacele: *blush* Stop filling my head with hot air. You want to flatter me I'm just kidding, women love compliments! 1 Like |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by directonpc(m): 12:33pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
God bless Nigeria! 1 Like |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by nagoma(m): 12:47pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
Mogidi: You may be surprised when it comes to be your turn to suffer from such injustice and collective punishment. 2 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by F22RAPTOR(m): 12:47pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
texazzpete:Terrorists supporter alert! 2 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by nagoma(m): 12:56pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
samplegirl: A sample of sputum - Yak! |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Nobody: 12:59pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
aww |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by kayusbrown(m): 1:00pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
It's easy to castigate Amnesty International if you or your loved ones have never been a victim of police/military brutality. The fundamental principle of justice is that all accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty! Even if you catch someone red handed, it is still not conclusive because the person may be mentally derailed. Abdulmutallab (the underwear suicide bomber in a US plane en route Detroit) was given a fair hearing despite being caught in the act. I'm sure if it were Nigeria, our soldiers would have killed him on the spot thereby jeopardizing the possibility of extracting useful Intel from him. 2 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by F22RAPTOR(m): 1:01pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
django1:kai this man, listen to yourself. Did you have to show us who you really are? 2 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Kay17: 1:02pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
MadCow1: Was the Holocaust fair? 2 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by MadCow1: 1:05pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
Kay17: Kai!!! Nna lekwa trap men.. NO!!! It wasnt.. REASON:: That was Genocide, not War.. 1 Like |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by jamace(m): 1:06pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
kraftykc:Ok. I see you are members of the AI on Nl. Well done. 1 Like |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by texazzpete(m): 1:07pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
mecusbosco: Then it is my hope that you become one of these 'extreme measures' someday. You people make me sick. 2 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Nobody: 1:07pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
Rad1cal: How can you say this? You have no regard for human life. So I guess you're ok with chilren dying in times of war, because to you, they're collateral damage. The future is bleak for humanity. 4 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Nobody: 1:09pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
May God spare us and never allow us to be victims. Amen.
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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by MadCow1: 1:15pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
texazzpete: Daayum! Tempers are really running wild up in here.. I dont support the collateral damage theory.. But you all would have to agree that we are faced with some really perculiar circumstances where the Provisions of Amnesty international would only serve to benefit the Terrorists than it would the Nigerian State. My problem with the Nigerian Army isnt their dragnet style of detaining all until proven innocent, but the length of time it takes them to prove them innocent. Thats why my proffered solution is for all non-combatants to move into a refugee camp (that should be set up by the FG) for better protection.. That way, anybody left in the affected areas can only have themselves to blame. #Thats All.. 2 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by texazzpete(m): 1:16pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
mikeansy: Boko Haram has since been designated as a terrorist group. Such groups by default are not signatories to the Geneva Convention agreement, and are bound by no international agreements to respect human life. Your problem is, like many on Nairaland, you argue from a position of ignorance. Amnesty International HAS condemned Boko Haram repeatedly http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AFR44/029/2013/en/6d7330c4-f6c7-4bcf-8b25-7f1e8fe8615e/afr440292013en.html Nigeria: Unlawful killings by Boko Haram may constitute crimes against humanity You greatly disapoint me. On one hand, you've complained bitterly about the conduct of Federal troops in Igbo territories during the Biafran war. Now here you are, cheering on the senseless treatment of your fellow Nigerians, because of ethic and religious biases you have. You need to flee from hypocrisy and act like a Nigerian! 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by texazzpete(m): 1:18pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
MadCow1: 1. Actually, it can be argued that the harsh and inhumane treatment of many innocents by the Army may have pushed many neutrals into Boko Haram. Similar situation happened in Iraq where US Army excesses were used as propaganda video to boost Al Qaeda recruitment. 2. Which refugee camp are you going to set up for nearly 30 million people? Funded with which money? 2 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by xcolanto(m): 1:23pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
Where was AI in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Mali, Syria,Iraq, Iran, Isreal, Palestine, Sudan... List is endless! Answer: the same place they have always been.. By the side lines. Funny when it comes to Nigeria a whole lot of organizations, goverment and bodies seem to foam in the mouth! This country is great! This country is under going rapid transformation hence the troubles we face now! Be strong patriots! There's light at the end of the tunnel The sun most shine after the storm! 3 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by stevoskyj(m): 1:26pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
texazzpete: Quite pathetic #smh |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by MadCow1: 1:26pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
texazzpete: @ Point number 1.. The day I saw the news about the guy who had been held for 3 years, that was the first thought that crossed my mind.. That said.. We as a Nation are caught in a very bad place right now. Fighting against Mujahadeens that have no distinguishing facial features nor uniforms can be very troublesome. You can imagine the Nigerian Army coming into a city that had just been recently hit and having troubles indentifying the perps. And without any help from the locals, they resort to arresting all males of combat age and trying to squeeze out info from them. Unfortunately Lie detectors are not quite as reliable so they resort to crude torture methods. The pro is that it has worked for them in some cases. The Con is that innocent people get caught in the mix. 2.. A refugee camp for 30 million would be quite hard to pull off no doubt.. But what do you suggest? How do you suggest the Nigerian Army go about operation in the North East? 2 Likes |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by oncheckent: 1:27pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
richeso:Wow!!! You are a very deep!!! What rubbish! Shi.t happens, sometimes engineered by man other times it just happens. Guy start thinking with your head. |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Kay17: 1:31pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
samplegirl: the video was graphic enough! It is a Nigerian problem, the civilians in Borno are have the same rights as other citizens living in other parts of the country. The implication of State brutality must dawn you because if the Borno man's right worth nothing, yours equally worth nothing. Even if America plays the hypocritical dog, it is still our problem.
I find fault with your label on the video as 'rubbish'. The remainder of the above quote is a distraction. Yes the North is severely impoverished and an insurgency has arose as an indirect result, does that make a holocaust permissible?! Does that justify detention without trial?! 1 Like |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by texazzpete(m): 1:32pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
xcolanto: Iraq Iraq: Evidence of war crimes by government-backed Shi’a militias http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/iraq-evidence-war-crimes-government-backed-shi-militias-2014-10-14 Egypt Egypt three years on, wide-scale repression continues unabated http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/egypt-three-years-wide-scale-repression-continues-unabated-2014-01-23 Egypt: Rampant torture, arbitrary arrests and detentions signal catastrophic decline in human rights one year after ousting of Morsi http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/egypt-anniversary-morsi-ousting-2014-07-02 Syria Syria: Voices in Crisis http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE24/041/2014/en/9245a6fb-d9b2-4440-8fbd-fcc68942c32a/mde240412014en.html Just the tip of the Iceberg. As you would have found out with a simple search, of if you read any other news source apart from NTA and the TAN Facebook page. Why the heck are you folks so lazy? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Kay17: 1:34pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
MadCow1: If it happened in a war, would it be justifiable? |
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by ogundelemaryjane: 1:36pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by texazzpete(m): 1:39pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
MadCow1: Crush Boko Haram in their camps. Set up rapid response squads to intercept Boko raids as soon as they are reported. Equip village heads with communication devices to be able to communicate instantly when an attack is in progress. Use helicopter troop carriers to be able to rapidly deploy soldiers within 30 mins of any reported attack. More effective use of assault helicopters to destroy Boko Haram operational vehicles to hinder their mobility. Set up reward systems to pay informants with credible information (i.e arrests that are tied to weapons being found, for example, or testimony from reputable members of the communities). Arrests cannot be avoided, but interrogate and release within a short period of time, in a humane fashion. Guilty BH members should be brought to trial as much as possible. More importantly, educate soldiers on the benefits of winning the 'hearts and minds' war. The Americans learnt this the hard way in Iraq...we can learn from their experiences on how not to radicalize the innocents. I don't think this war is being fought well, to be honest. 6 Likes |
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