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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Kay17: 12:23pm On Nov 17, 2014
Mogidi:


See how re'tarded that statement is? The military for want of something to do, went to a poor students house and put him in jail for 3yrs. Did you bother asking why they left all adjoining houses but went to his? Flawless logic, now clap for yourself.

What should matter is whether the detention was fair, useful and lawful. If it is not either of those, then there is no good reason to support the detention. It is a further indication of incompetence on the part of the military.

And another way this can make sense, is if you believe the military is unquestionable and a carnage is necessary to do their job.

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Babacele: 12:25pm On Nov 17, 2014
MissMeiya:
OP I never doubted them in the first place. People who still believe our government at this point, have endless optimism. And I'm being generous when I say that.
Omo, u sabi english well well o if I fit sabi English like you, chai. Endless optimism abi sensless optimism.
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by nkpommpko(m): 12:25pm On Nov 17, 2014
Where are the presidents when this is happening! Which people are involved are they untouchable! Can't we ever change?
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Nobody: 12:27pm On Nov 17, 2014
OP i think u shud just shut ur trap, wat choice does the military have in order to restore peace in the area. You should be blaming ur fore fathers for putting u and the entire nigerians in this mess and not the present Nigerian military. If u were in that region you will be the first to point fingers at suspects and demand their arrest.

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by BekeeBuAgbara: 12:27pm On Nov 17, 2014
There are many Boko Haram members on this thread.

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Nobody: 12:28pm On Nov 17, 2014
Babacele:
Omo, u sabi english well well o if I fit sabi English like you, chai. Endless optimism abi sensless optimism.

*blush* Stop filling my head with hot air. You want to flatter me angry embarassed


I'm just kidding, women love compliments! kiss

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by directonpc(m): 12:33pm On Nov 17, 2014
God bless Nigeria!

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by nagoma(m): 12:47pm On Nov 17, 2014
Mogidi:


You don't join a terrorist organisation and expect human rights, that is the price you pay for chopping the heads of infidels off.

You may be surprised when it comes to be your turn to suffer from such injustice and collective punishment.

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by F22RAPTOR(m): 12:47pm On Nov 17, 2014
texazzpete:
Remember when everyone was up in arms, railing at Amnesty International's report that insisted that Nigerian Security forces were guilty of mass human right violations, tortures, illegal detentions and worse?

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/nigeria-s-torture-chambers-exposed-new-report-2014-09-18
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/168339-nigerian-security-forces-maim-kill-thousands-in-torture-chambers-amnesty-international.html


Well, now it turns out that those stories were 100% real. The Army just released innocent suspects that had been in illegal detention for YEARS, and some of those people have come forward with harrowing stories of torture, detention and deaths.

Are we now going to have a serious conversation about this? Police and Army brutality has run unchecked for years. when are we going to turn this around?
Terrorists supporter alert!

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by nagoma(m): 12:56pm On Nov 17, 2014
samplegirl:

@Horus the problem I have with people like you is that you don't have identity if not it will be interesting to invite you to a debate.
No American government has been accused of human right violation but they still operate GITMO even when Obama sang he will shut it in his first tenure campaign. The gullible Nigerian will think you are actually fighting for the innocent Nigerians caught in the web but we know you are fighting for your group which is boko haram. No matter how you present it we know your intent. You are a member.
The moderator in your rubbish video was sayong that the north is under developed but the idiot failed to point that northern leaders do not want them to go to school, take immunization and the rest of them, The fool did not mention the fact that this President has built more schools in the north than any other president.
mtcheeewwww!!!!!!

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Nobody: 12:59pm On Nov 17, 2014
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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by kayusbrown(m): 1:00pm On Nov 17, 2014
It's easy to castigate Amnesty International if you or your loved ones have never been a victim of police/military brutality. The fundamental principle of justice is that all accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty! Even if you catch someone red handed, it is still not conclusive because the person may be mentally derailed. Abdulmutallab (the underwear suicide bomber in a US plane en route Detroit) was given a fair hearing despite being caught in the act. I'm sure if it were Nigeria, our soldiers would have killed him on the spot thereby jeopardizing the possibility of extracting useful Intel from him.

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by F22RAPTOR(m): 1:01pm On Nov 17, 2014
django1:


You are irritably senseless and worst still you are doing it on purpose. People fight back when oppressed, <b>that's exactly why boko haram fighters seems to never end no matter how many you kill.</b>
kai this man, listen to yourself. Did you have to show us who you really are?

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Kay17: 1:02pm On Nov 17, 2014
MadCow1:



Ofcourse... If I was the Victim, I would be on the streets of Abuja with a placard calling for 1billion Naira in compensation.. And if the current guys do it, I would support them..

But again I say!! THIS IS WAR... angry

All non-combatants should have left the area.. The Nigerian Army are running scared.. They are fighting against an unidentifiable enemy. So what happens is when they enter an Area, all Men (and now Women) of combat age are arrested and filtered through.

I dont blame the Nigerian army for this approach of clean sweeping an Area, my Problem with the Army is the time it takes to investigate and identify the innocent ones from the insurgents.. angry



And like I said:: All is fair in War..

Was the Holocaust fair?

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by MadCow1: 1:05pm On Nov 17, 2014
Kay17:


Was the Holocaust fair?


Kai!!!


Nna lekwa trap men.. grin







NO!!! It wasnt..

REASON:: That was Genocide, not War..


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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by jamace(m): 1:06pm On Nov 17, 2014
kraftykc:


Learn: AI is supposed to say where human rights violations occurs. AI HAVE documented BH's evils also, but why the NA should be competing with a terrorist organization for the award of most brutal killer of INNOCENT people is beyond me.
Ok. I see you are members of the AI on Nl. Well done.

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by texazzpete(m): 1:07pm On Nov 17, 2014
mecusbosco:


Mr man! Extreme cases requires extreme measures. Collateral damage is everywhere! Some companies abroad have rejected their own staff, denied them from coming back to their place of work, just because they visted Nigeria or othere Ebola related countries. Where is human right? Please answer!

Then it is my hope that you become one of these 'extreme measures' someday.

You people make me sick.

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Nobody: 1:07pm On Nov 17, 2014
Rad1cal:
To hell with amnesty international and her proponents. All we want is for the activities of the haramites to be brutally cut short , even though unavoidable cases of collateral damage will be recorded.

How can you say this? You have no regard for human life. So I guess you're ok with chilren dying in times of war, because to you, they're collateral damage. The future is bleak for humanity.

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Nobody: 1:09pm On Nov 17, 2014
May God spare us and never allow us to be victims. Amen.

Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by MadCow1: 1:15pm On Nov 17, 2014
texazzpete:


Then it is my hope that you become one of these 'extreme measures' someday.

You people make me sick.


Daayum!

Tempers are really running wild up in here..


I dont support the collateral damage theory.. But you all would have to agree that we are faced with some really perculiar circumstances where the Provisions of Amnesty international would only serve to benefit the Terrorists than it would the Nigerian State.

My problem with the Nigerian Army isnt their dragnet style of detaining all until proven innocent, but the length of time it takes them to prove them innocent.

Thats why my proffered solution is for all non-combatants to move into a refugee camp (that should be set up by the FG) for better protection.. That way, anybody left in the affected areas can only have themselves to blame.

#Thats All..

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by texazzpete(m): 1:16pm On Nov 17, 2014
mikeansy:
If amnesty international do some soul searching they will agree that there job is too easy!

It's easy to scrutinise the activities of Government who are quite frankly the victims here but do nothing or say nothing about the terrorists who have created the crisis!

Boko Haram has since been designated as a terrorist group. Such groups by default are not signatories to the Geneva Convention agreement, and are bound by no international agreements to respect human life.

Your problem is, like many on Nairaland, you argue from a position of ignorance. Amnesty International HAS condemned Boko Haram repeatedly

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AFR44/029/2013/en/6d7330c4-f6c7-4bcf-8b25-7f1e8fe8615e/afr440292013en.html

Nigeria: Unlawful killings by Boko Haram may constitute crimes against humanity

Amnesty International strongly condemns the unlawful killings of members of the public in northern Nigeria. The killing of at least 115 people in the last two weeks by unknown gunmen and other suspected members of Boko Haram may constitute crimes against humanity as defined in Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, to which Nigeria is a state party.
The deteriorating trend in the human rights and security situation in north-eastern Nigeria has further put the rights to life of many Nigerians at risk.
Amnesty International urges Boko Haram and any other armed groups operating in northern Nigeria to immediately stop attacks against the general population. The government must also ensure that people are adequately protected from human rights abuses and suspected perpetrators must be brought to justice in a fair trial without recourse to the death penalty.
Amnesty International has received information that since 20 October 2013, at least 115 people have been killed in attacks across different locations in Yobe and Borno states.


You greatly disapoint me. On one hand, you've complained bitterly about the conduct of Federal troops in Igbo territories during the Biafran war. Now here you are, cheering on the senseless treatment of your fellow Nigerians, because of ethic and religious biases you have. You need to flee from hypocrisy and act like a Nigerian!

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by texazzpete(m): 1:18pm On Nov 17, 2014
MadCow1:



Daayum!

Tempers are really running wild up in here..


I dont support the collateral damage theory.. But you all would have to agree that we are faced with some really perculiar circumstances where the Provisions of Amnesty international would only serve to benefit the Terrorists than it would the Nigerian State.

My problem with the Nigerian Army isnt their dragnet style of detaining all until proven innocent, but the length of time it takes them to prove them innocent.

Thats why my proffered solution is for all non-combatants to move into a refugee camp (that should be set up by the FG) for better protection.. That way, anybody left in the affected areas can only have themselves to blame.

#Thats All..

1. Actually, it can be argued that the harsh and inhumane treatment of many innocents by the Army may have pushed many neutrals into Boko Haram. Similar situation happened in Iraq where US Army excesses were used as propaganda video to boost Al Qaeda recruitment.

2. Which refugee camp are you going to set up for nearly 30 million people? Funded with which money?

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by xcolanto(m): 1:23pm On Nov 17, 2014
Where was AI in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Mali, Syria,Iraq, Iran, Isreal, Palestine, Sudan... List is endless!
Answer: the same place they have always been.. By the side lines. Funny when it comes to Nigeria a whole lot of organizations, goverment and bodies seem to foam in the mouth! This country is great!
This country is under going rapid transformation hence the troubles we face now! Be strong patriots!
There's light at the end of the tunnel
The sun most shine after the storm! cool

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by stevoskyj(m): 1:26pm On Nov 17, 2014
texazzpete:

Well, now it turns out that those stories were 100% real. The Army just released innocent suspects that had been in illegal detention for YEARS, and some of those people have come forward with harrowing stories of torture, detention and deaths.

Quite pathetic #smh
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by MadCow1: 1:26pm On Nov 17, 2014
texazzpete:


1. Actually, it can be argued that the harsh and inhumane treatment of many innocents by the Army may have pushed many neutrals into Boko Haram. Similar situation happened in Iraq where US Army excesses were used as propaganda video to boost Al Qaeda recruitment.

2. Which refugee camp are you going to set up for nearly 30 million people? Funded with which money?

@ Point number 1..


The day I saw the news about the guy who had been held for 3 years, that was the first thought that crossed my mind..

That said.. We as a Nation are caught in a very bad place right now. Fighting against Mujahadeens that have no distinguishing facial features nor uniforms can be very troublesome. You can imagine the Nigerian Army coming into a city that had just been recently hit and having troubles indentifying the perps. And without any help from the locals, they resort to arresting all males of combat age and trying to squeeze out info from them. Unfortunately Lie detectors are not quite as reliable so they resort to crude torture methods. The pro is that it has worked for them in some cases. The Con is that innocent people get caught in the mix.



2.. A refugee camp for 30 million would be quite hard to pull off no doubt.. But what do you suggest?


How do you suggest the Nigerian Army go about operation in the North East?

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by oncheckent: 1:27pm On Nov 17, 2014
richeso:


Bro, I myself ask same question oo... No campaign against boko haram.


The one that baffles me is when you kill bokoharam members they call it Genocide by the president
And when you don't kill but chase them away, they call you clueless.

I just tire for 9ja I swear.
Wow!!! You are a very deep!!! What rubbish! Shi.t happens, sometimes engineered by man other times it just happens. Guy start thinking with your head.
Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Kay17: 1:31pm On Nov 17, 2014
samplegirl:



@Horus the problem I have with people like you is that you don't have identity if not it will be interesting to invite you to a debate.

No American government has been accused of human right violation but they still operate GITMO even when Obama sang he will shut it in his first tenure campaign. The gullible Nigerian will think you are actually fighting for the innocent Nigerians caught in the web but we know you are fighting for your group which is boko haram. No matter how you present it we know your intent. You are a member.

mtcheeewwww!!!!!!

the video was graphic enough! It is a Nigerian problem, the civilians in Borno are have the same rights as other citizens living in other parts of the country. The implication of State brutality must dawn you because if the Borno man's right worth nothing, yours equally worth nothing. Even if America plays the hypocritical dog, it is still our problem.


The moderator in your rubbish video was sayong that the north is under developed but the idiot failed to point that northern leaders do not want them to go to school, take immunization and the rest of them, The fool did not mention the fact that this President has built more schools in the north than any other president.

I find fault with your label on the video as 'rubbish'. The remainder of the above quote is a distraction. Yes the North is severely impoverished and an insurgency has arose as an indirect result, does that make a holocaust permissible?! Does that justify detention without trial?!

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by texazzpete(m): 1:32pm On Nov 17, 2014
xcolanto:
Where was AI in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Mali, Syria,Iraq, Iran, Isreal, Palestine, Sudan... List is endless!
Answer: the same place they have always been.. By the side lines. Funny when it comes to Nigeria a whole lot of organizations, goverment and bodies seem to foam in the mouth! This country is great!
This country is under going rapid transformation hence the troubles we face now! Be strong patriots!
There's light at the end of the tunnel
The sun most shine after the storm! cool


Iraq
Iraq: Evidence of war crimes by government-backed Shi’a militias
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/iraq-evidence-war-crimes-government-backed-shi-militias-2014-10-14

Egypt
Egypt three years on, wide-scale repression continues unabated
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/egypt-three-years-wide-scale-repression-continues-unabated-2014-01-23

Egypt: Rampant torture, arbitrary arrests and detentions signal catastrophic decline in human rights one year after ousting of Morsi
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/egypt-anniversary-morsi-ousting-2014-07-02


Syria
Syria: Voices in Crisis
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE24/041/2014/en/9245a6fb-d9b2-4440-8fbd-fcc68942c32a/mde240412014en.html


Just the tip of the Iceberg. As you would have found out with a simple search, of if you read any other news source apart from NTA and the TAN Facebook page. Why the heck are you folks so lazy?

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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by Kay17: 1:34pm On Nov 17, 2014
MadCow1:



Kai!!!


Nna lekwa trap men.. grin







NO!!! It wasnt..

REASON:: That was Genocide, not War..



If it happened in a war, would it be justifiable?
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Re: So Amnesty International Was Right Afterall? by texazzpete(m): 1:39pm On Nov 17, 2014
MadCow1:


@ Point number 1..


The day I saw the news about the guy who had been held for 3 years, that was the first thought that crossed my mind..

That said.. We as a Nation are caught in a very bad place right now. Fighting against Mujahadeens that have no distinguishing facial features nor uniforms can be very troublesome. You can imagine the Nigerian Army coming into a city that had just been recently hit and having troubles indentifying the perps. And without any help from the locals, they resort to arresting all males of combat age and trying to squeeze out info from them. Unfortunately Lie detectors are not quite as reliable so they resort to crude torture methods. The pro is that it has worked for them in some cases. The Con is that innocent people get caught in the mix.



2.. A refugee camp for 30 million would be quite hard to pull off no doubt.. But what do you suggest?


How do you suggest the Nigerian Army go about operation in the North East?


Crush Boko Haram in their camps. Set up rapid response squads to intercept Boko raids as soon as they are reported. Equip village heads with communication devices to be able to communicate instantly when an attack is in progress. Use helicopter troop carriers to be able to rapidly deploy soldiers within 30 mins of any reported attack.

More effective use of assault helicopters to destroy Boko Haram operational vehicles to hinder their mobility.

Set up reward systems to pay informants with credible information (i.e arrests that are tied to weapons being found, for example, or testimony from reputable members of the communities).

Arrests cannot be avoided, but interrogate and release within a short period of time, in a humane fashion. Guilty BH members should be brought to trial as much as possible.

More importantly, educate soldiers on the benefits of winning the 'hearts and minds' war. The Americans learnt this the hard way in Iraq...we can learn from their experiences on how not to radicalize the innocents.

I don't think this war is being fought well, to be honest.

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