Henry120:


Nothing to prove they are operational, like I have consistently argued.

It is operational. SA has an indigenously developed data link called LINK-ZA.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-ZA

agaugust:
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Thanks for confirming what I always said that South African army is a very weak dry land only army built ONLY for homeland defense with ZERO force projection outside homeland and thus inferior to the all terrain equipped Nigerian army.

You proved me right, you a South African soldier, so God bless you sir !

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why does a lack of amphibious vehicals mean no force projection?

America upgraded the armor on the brad so it cannot cross rivers... so they have no amphib... what difference does it make?

Amphibious vehicals for anything other than Marine units is an obsolete concept, because it means less armor

MikeCZAR:
Angola.

What model does Angola use?

Angola bought 22 T-72's from belarus, the M1 model. This is the B model. T-72B.

So appropriately, the question should be, what is a T-72B model doing in a Nigerian bush, with a Nigerian soldier wearing his signature head-warmer in the heat of northern nigeria?

agaugust:
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Thanks for confirming what I always said that South African army is a very weak dry land only army built ONLY for homeland defense with ZERO force projection outside homeland and thus inferior to the all terrain equipped Nigerian army.

You proved me right, you a South African soldier, so God bless you sir !

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Jeez!!! I cannot believe the amount of stupidityy that has now been exhibited by this guy. The defence of the country comes first. Why should the engineers in defence industries always think of Nigeria when they manufacture weapons? Amphibious capability of IFV compromises the armour, it means you will have to reduce the thickness to a greater extent. SA made armoured vehicles are hard rock. They will consume the whole of Nigeria without any resistance.

Patchesagain:


Badger is not amphibious because we put more armor on it.

So, the same hull with more armor will surely be better at defeating RPG's than the same hull with less armor. Yes or no?

Or,

The Badger doesnt have more armor than the Rosomak and is thus also amphibious.

Which is it?

Either way, its resistant to RPG's.



Ps: stop getting so emotional

Nope, the RPG used on Rosomak is an ordinary HE RPG and NOT a standard armour penetrating HEAT RPG that is able to destroy a mighty Main Battle Tank that has 100mm amour of solid steel that your weak Badger IFV does NOT have !

In war the enemy uses all types of RPG on you, and you cannot select his weapons for him.

Show me where Badger was tested against armout piercing RPG !
....and SANDF has only 2 units of Badger IFV for evaluation and NOT yet in service !

Even if you hopefully buy it and induct by year 2020, armor destroying RPG will destroy all your Badgers like a BMP-2.

FACT !!
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agaugust:


Nope, the RPG used on Rosomak is an ordinary HE RPG and NOT a standard armour penetrating HEAT RPG that is able to destroy a mighty Main Battle Tank that has 100mm amour of solid steel that your weak Badger IFV does NOT have !

In war the enemy uses all types of RPG on you, and you cannot select his weapons for him.

Show me where Badger was tested against armout piercing RPG !
....and SANDF has only 2 units of Badger IFV for evaluation and NOT yet in service !

Even if you hopefully buy it and induct by year 2020, armor destroying RPG will destroy all your Badgers like a BMP-2.

FACT !!
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Jeez!!! man you need some military education. The problem is this internet that you just read without practical knowledge.

EVarn:
what citation are you looking for.i have already analyzed everything about the vicker.the vicker is definitely not the best tank out there,but it can still challenge your pretty oliphants.

Vickers Mk III fires both armour piercing shells and also high explosive anti-tank shells, it will kill the Olifant
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agaugust:


Nope, the RPG used on Rosomak is an ordinary HE RPG and NOT a standard armour penetrating HEAT RPG that is able to destroy a mighty Main Battle Tank that has 100mm amour of solid steel that your weak Badger IFV does NOT have !

In war the enemy uses all types of RPG on you, and you cannot select his weapons for him.

Show me where Badger was tested against armout piercing RPG !
....and SANDF has only 2 units of Badger IFV for evaluation and NOT yet in service !

Even if you hopefully buy it and induct by year 2020, armor destroying RPG will destroy all your Badgers like a BMP-2.

FACT !!
.

First show me where "RPG used on Rosomak is an ordinary HE RPG and NOT a standard armour penetrating HEAT RPG"

agaugust:


Vickers Mk III fires both armour piercing shells and also high explosive anti-tank shells, it will kill the Olifant
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It cant kill what it cant hit

agaugust:


HEAT RPG that is able to destroy a mighty Main Battle Tank that has 100mm amour of solid steel that your weak Badger IFV does NOT have !

Also, you are right, Badger does not have 100mm of solid steel. It has composite armor

Welcome to the 21st century

mzilakazi:



You misunderstood him because he brought that gesture only on a sense that F7s and J7s are merely a copy of MIG-21s.

http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/f7ereviewpb_1.htm

He was indecent enough to use his mother as comparison to F-7 jet, but I was decent enough to use a man that is not his blood relation.

Gripen jet is a copy of 1970s Viggen jet which is a copy of 1960s Draken jet . They are the same family copied along the family line
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Patchesagain:



South African Merkava tanks in the Karroo

seriously,this guy must be drunk on rhino piss.SA owning a merkava?,when did isreal start selling its merkava?,even assuming isreal miraculously starts exporting its merkavas,can SA afford them?.this is a joke.

Msauza:


They look very similar. MIG-21 of 1956.

We are happy to inform you that SAAF Hawk jets are a copy of 1974 Hawk jets. Equation balanced.

agaugust:


He was indecent enough to use his mother as comparison to F-7 jet, but I was decent enough to use a man that is not his blood relation.

Gripen jet is a copy of 1970s Viggen jet which is a copy of 1960s Draken jet . They are the same family copied along the family line
.

Gripen is evolution

F-7 is a straight up copy

Pic related, Draken and Grip

Are you saying Delta wing is the same as Canard wing?

Ps: I have a love affair with the Draken, wrong topic to tango with me on

agaugust:


We are happy to inform you that SAAF Hawk jets are a copy of 1974 Hawk jets. Equation balanced.

Cool,

Our second line trainers and light CAS are based on old airframes.

Your first line dedicated interceptors are older than the Hawk (Fishbed first flew in 1956)

Equation unbalanced.

Patchesagain:

Who said we cant afford tents for troops in DRC? You still trying to validate your fairy tales?
Many nations operate T-72's in many desert areas
Pic related, South African Leopard 2, also in the Karoo

leopard 2?,as in the french leopard 2?,who will buy it for you?.well,its certainly nice to fantacize about nice things....but,its wrong to resort to telling lies.a leopard 2 aint a bowl of pap.

The mighty oliphant tank will destroy Vickers beyond repair.



http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18165:r968m-for-olifant-rooikat-ammo&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

Patchesagain:

I am posting pictures of random tanks in geographic conditions that are similar to parts of south africa and saying they are ours.
Just like you did with your T-72 picture
I thought you Nigerians were supposed to be clever? try to keep up.
Pic related, SANDF Abrams in Northern Cape

well,thank God you were just posting in the spirit of sarcasm.'cos SA cant afford an abrams tank,even if you sell half of your citizens.

Draken is the fuggen tits.

The first true-blue multi-role fighter that could operate off public roads and be re-armed by poorly trained conscripts in under 10min. It was just as at home intercepting bombers as it was doing the dance of death with fighters.

Hnnngggg.....

Ironically, the Draken is from the same era as the F-7

agaugust:


He was indecent enough to use his mother as comparison to F-7 jet, but I was decent enough to use a man that is not his blood relation.

Gripen jet is a copy of 1970s Viggen jet which is a copy of 1960s Draken jet . They are the same family copied along the family line
.

You are being ridiculous. Gripen is not the copy of anything other than evolution like patches has already said. All of those fighters you mentioned above are manufactured by SAAB. It is completely different from China copying MIG 21 from Russia and call their version F7/J7.

Henry120:


Is it an ISTAR platform? For how long can it loiter?

Looking through my Armoured vehicle or hilux window also means i'm conducting surveillance, anyone can conduct surveillance, but which is a dedicated ELINT compliant surveillance platform?

Noisy jet engine. Speed to fast over target area. Radar range ground tracking ~60km only. Tiny cockpit with no specially dedicated ISTAR equipment consoles. Short travel range point only operational radius. Very short loiter time over target area. Zero ELINT capability....all these make SAAF Gripen jet a poor man's low profile and ineffective ISTAR aircraft.

NAF ATR-42 powerfully rules the ISTAR world of Africa from Cape Town to Cairo, while we fly, SAAF will open mouth dey look us like a Mr. lookman yussuf looking dazed
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EVarn:
well,thank God you were just posting in the spirit of sarcasm.'cos SA cant afford an abrams tank,even if you sell half of your citizens.

Yet, it doesn't change the fact that we have more capital than Nigeria.

EVarn:
leopard 2?,as in the french leopard 2?,who will buy it for you?.well,its certainly nice to fantacize about nice things....but,its wrong to resort to telling lies.a leopard 2 aint a bowl of pap.

this guy doesnt even know his mbt's

Leo2 is german

leclerc is french

agaugust:


Noisy jet engine. Speed to fast over target area. Radar range ground tracking ~60km only. Tiny cockpit with no specially dedicated ISTAR equipment consoles. Short travel range point only operational radius. Very short loiter time over target area. Zero ELINT capability....all these make SAAF Gripen jet a poor man's low profile and ineffective ISTAR aircraft.

NAF ATR-42 powerfully rules the ISTAR world of Africa from Cape Town to Cairo, while we fly, SAAF will open mouth dey look us like alhaji lookman yussuf
.

So that is why, despite having access to the Italian ATR Surveyor, NATO chose the Gripen as their primary ISTAR platform in Libya?

MikeCZAR:
The AHRLAC will out sale the Scorpion.

If you're saying its crap why don't tell us why?

American civilians build that ARHLAC type of toy play thing at their home backyard and park the aircraft in the garage beside their cars

mzilakazi:

Yet, it doesn't change the fact that we have more capital than Nigeria.

*SCOFF*,and what good have that done you?

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Patchesagain:


Where is loitering become a major stipulation?

Hunters loiter around to find the animal to kill.

Scorpion jet loiter time is a great 5 hours on patrol, good for ISTAR.

NAF ATR-42 loiter time is a massive 8 hours on patrol !!! Perfect for ISTAR !!!

SAAF Gripen jet has embarrassingly small loiter time below 1 hour, very bad for ISTAR.

NAF is the supreme master ISTAR continental power house of Africa !

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Patchesagain:

this guy doesnt even know his mbt's
Leo2 is german
leclerc is french

my bad,the leopard is german{of course,i know that!},just mistook the spelling for that of the french AMX-56.

agaugust:

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Hunters loiter around to find the animal to kill.

Scorpion jet loiter time is a great 5 hours on patrol, good for ISTAR.

NAF ATR-42 loiter time is a massive 8 hours on patrol !!! Perfect for ISTAR !!!

SAAF Gripen jet has embarrassingly small loiter time of 1 hour, very bad for ISTAR.

NAF is the supreme master ISTAR continental power house of Africa !

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Then why did NATO chose the Gripen over the ATR-42 for ISTAR in Libya?

Henry120:


Nothing to prove they are operational, like I have consistently argued.

So you can't read just like Agaugust (-___-)

agaugust:
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Thanks for confirming what I always said that South African army is a very weak dry land only army built ONLY for homeland defense with ZERO force projection outside homeland and thus inferior to the all terrain equipped Nigerian army.

You proved me right, you a South African soldier, so God bless you sir !

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There's no army in sub-saharan that can move a mechanised force amphibiously too challenge us.

Henry120:


What model does Angola use?

Angola bought 22 T-72's from belarus, the M1 model. This is the B model. T-72B.

So appropriately, the question should be, what is a T-72B model doing in a Nigerian bush, with a Nigerian soldier wearing his signature head-warmer in the heat of northern nigeria?

Your picture doesn't prove anything.

I can even say it isn't in service.