tess1:


So, in your own word, Zidane, Xavi and Sholes are not creative.

Of course Cleverly is not a playmaker because he is not creative.

tess1:


So in your own word, Zidane, Xavi and Sholes are not creative.

Of course Cleverly is not a playmaker because he is not creative.

tess1:


What does that penetrative/incisive passes do? It is part of their primary role to either create an assist or create a pass that leads to an assist(purpose of those incisive/penetrative passes). If Cleverly were to be doing that, he wouldn't be on loan to Aston Villa.

Dadehmola:


If the creativity you are talking about is based on contributing assists, I don't think any of those 3 players had that attribute as a key quality

tess1:


So, in your own word, Zidane, Xavi and Sholes are not creative.

Of course Cleverly is not a playmaker because he is not creative.

Shirley07:

You keep forgetting that Oscar is still a young player that needs management to prevent being burnt out.
This is a player who was just 22yr last year and had played over 80 games non-stop before the worldcup. Everybody could see he was getting burnt out towards the end of last season.
Also, playmaker mostly comes into their own shell between the age bracket of (25-28 till their 30's). Invariably, Oscar would eventually take over from Fabregas while picking up one or two things from him.
And I don't hate Mata, I'm only exposing him for the fraud he is .

Shirley07:

Even if Cleverley were creating chances for us like Ozil does, it still doesn't make him a playmaker.

tess1:


So, in your own word, Zidane, Xavi and Sholes are not creative.

Of course Cleverly is not a playmaker because he is not creative.

elampiro:

* How did Cersc get into this? You have been defeated completely. Provide Rooney's and United corner stats of 2011/12, you are dancing. Rooney made his long passes from the deep. A number 9 can never do that or out passed Carrick.

* The opta chart you provided, is nonsense because I have previously proven it wrong.

* In 2011/12 we didnt line up two strikers as Gaal lined up two strikers in front of a number 10. Stop confusing things.

Dadehmola:
Elampiro.. Please help me with roman riquleme's stat in 2004/2005 season.

elampiro:


Assists and chances created are not their primary qualities. I don't know why you guys don't get it. What made them playmakers is their ability to influence overall build up play. Same with Pirlo. They make the game flow in a certain direction. The rest 21 players are forced to follow. Herrera might develop into this kind of player. Silva also influence a great deal.

This is the general playmaker. It's different from the small titles as advanced playmakers and deep lying playmaker which are second names for certain positions- AM and CM.

coogar:


look at this mumu!
were you not the one arguing that corners don't count as passes? i provided you an example of where corners counted as passes and you are befuddled?

in a 4-4-2, there's no number-9
football has evolved beyond your village lens. 4-4-2 means 2 out & out strikers. you keep dodging the question, which of falcao or RVP was the number 9 at leicester?



opta is wrong & elampiro is right?
who was the number 9 when yorke/cole were strikers? who was the number-9 between sutton & shearer? who was the number-9 between falcao & RVP at leicester?

your lies have defeated you!



it's the same thing!
in 2011/12, one of anderson or cleverley stepped up to act as the link between the central midfield & the strikers.

how can rooney be in the hole and record a whooping 4.6 shots per game? are you an illiterate? which player in the hole records that many shots per game & provides a miserable 1.5 key-pass per game? how come 11/12 season had rooney recording the lowest key pass per game in his career at old trafford?

elampawa, this isn't facebook!

tess1:


So a playmaker is not supposed to be creating chances.

elampiro:


A playmaker might even be a good scorer, like Zidane. But these aren't their primary functions. They dictate the flow game for their team.

elampiro:

* I am logging out for now. I have proven your opta wrong already. Lats season it showed Ozil in the hole but Ozil played on the wing. He did same thing to Kawaga. Opta swapped Kagawa and Januzaj when Moyes played Januzaj in the hole.

* Your shot per game logic is flawed. Di Maria and Rooney have the highest shot per game for us this season despite both playing in the midfield. RVP WHO HAS BEEN AN OUT AND OUT 9 has a lower shot per game. Ukwu!!!

* I am done, You can believe what you want to believe. If you say Rooney matched Carrick passing from the number 9, then Rooney is a genius alien.

* Do you still insist Rooney took our corner kicks and got his long pass stats from that?
Good night.

Dadehmola:


I don dey find am since

In his best season there (2004/2005), I saw that he scored 15 goals and had no assist

I want to believe that stat is wrong.

Kindly do some research and post your own results.

parrotibaba:
mate ,we r not talking about age here, Wesley Sneijer was how many years old when he was d playmaker at ajax? Christien Eriksen was barely 20 when he became d playmaker at ajax too...d truth is, Oscar was never a playmaker, Mourinho realised it n acted out fast, n we saw dat during d world cup ,Last season when Mata left n after a few games of praising Oscar, he started dwindling, Chelsea had Hazard n willian n in some cases shurrle to carry dia blue a$$ along, Oscar faded






to d second bolded, if u didn't hate Mata u wouldn't be lying ur a$$ off even when d stats r glaring right in ur face,being a two time player of d year at Chelsea isn't a fluke, Mata is dat good, u hv to climb down d hate ladder to accept dis mate

tess1:


The stats is wrong. He scored 16 goals with 2 assists.

chrisley024:
Ok! Since playmaker is the topic, pls who's Everton's playmaker? Baines

Dadehmola:


Are you Telling me that the best playmaker in the world only had 2 assists all season?? What then was he "playmaking", since we have been told that creativity/playmaking go hand in hand with the ability to assist?

Mata in 2012/2013 nko (his best season at Chelsea)?

Cc nihilist and co..

Odunharry:
Rojo to return against Villa

Shirley07:

Wetin this one dey yarn? Go and watch that Barca vs City game and see how Silva, a real playmaker plays, compared to that 'dropping into centre circle nonsense' you keep worshipping, fanboi.
Messi only does this to lose his marker, nothing about playmaking.
It's even more stupid to think of such thing when Silva basically and single-handedly outclassed both Messi and his parents (Xaviesta) in that match yet, you're here dribbling out saliva on how Messi playmake by dropping into the centre circle. And do what next? Scratching out his eye balls to feed you. Mtchew.

coogar:


you cant prove opta wrong with your lies - didn't you say rooney outpassed carrick in a match carrick didn't even start? why should we take you serious? opta, whoscored, transfermarkt had us playing 4-4-2 in 11/12 and you keep telling us about number-9, what is number-9? this is the modern game - enough of your number-9 nonsense!

coogar:


rooney has played in the striking role a lot of times this season & many of those shots of his are from his set-plays & that also includes di maria. shots per game isn't the only stat that has destroyed you, key-passes per game is another stat you cannot run away with.
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coogar:


you tried lying to us that robben played in a withdrawn role for holland during the world cup.....so where was sneijder then? you mean van gaal played 2 players in the hole and van persie was the lone striker?
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coogar:

Jesus must be disappointed with your lies...
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coogar:


of course, when your big lies are exposed, you quickly excuse yourself to nurse your wounds in private. carrick was a substitute in that game against bolton. only a fraud like yourself would make such a dud comparison of a game where rooney completed a full match to carrick's substitute appearance.

coogar:


if rooney was in the hole throughout the season like you claim, mention another game where both rooney & carrick completed 90 mins but rooney had more passes. failure to find one in 11/12 season definitely means you are a fraudulent statistician.



rooney played 30 something league games that season & he was the chief set piece taker especially corners & indirect freekicks. bring out rooney's setplay & open play passes and let's see if your claims won't be destroyed right this minute.

leggo:
lol.. Illiteracy will kill you Messi creates more chances , records more assists, has more accurate passes in the opposition half , and to top it of scores baskets. Please check for the definition of a playmaker - a player through which most of the offensive play goes through. Stop blabbing over a single game, wilshere also outplayed xaviesta but where is he now?

elampiro:

You dont pay attention to details. I said came in 7 mins from kick off. It's in my original post.

Whosccored is not a tactics board. Zonal Marking and the one I stated above are tactics board. They said 4-4-1-1. Red rants clearly stated 4-4-2 2009/10 and 4-4-1-1 in 2011/12. Which is exactly what I have said ever since.
Rooney and Di Maria have more shots than RVP. That kills your points.

I have given you superior stats and arguments. I have given you several matches Rooney was our three top passers. Sometimes passing three or foru times than hernadez or Welbeck.

Robben played a withdrawn role. That's is not disputable. I never said Robben played in the hole. I only gave you a contrast to your RVP/Falcao pairing.

You don't call Jesus' name in vain.
I have told you that Carrick played from 7 minutes since many weeks back. You arent telling me anything new. 7 minutes was just the difference.

I have proven beyond doubt Rooney was one of our top passers while Welbeck, Bebra and Chicha were among our least passers. So how did Rooney play top 9?
Rooney was number 10. Giggs, Young, Nani and Cleverley were taking our set plays.

chrisley024:
Good news. Evans should now join the reserve team until he's sold.

chrisley024:
Good news. Evans should now join the reserve team until he's sold.