Patchesagain:


Exellent retort, you sure showed me!!

SAAF > NAF

My original post says it all.

Your Airforce is virtually non-existent.

Henry240:


Nigeria isn't losing any town to any body.

The SANDF do not have an Airforce.

3 C-130's for a country with a total area of 1.2 million KM

No Aviation fuel

9 pilots
9 navigators

Your MPA's are over 50 years old.

3 C-130's operational at any one time, the rest are rotated through maintenance. This is SOP for any country. Need I remind you that we had one in Lagos days after the disaster, and that you couldent even fly your men to Mali

18 000 hours = plenty aviation fuel
22 000 hours budgeted for = exess of aviation fuel

9 Pilots = prove it
9 Navigators = Prove it

MPA's with modern engines and avionics.

SAAF > NAF

No contest

jl115:

Did i say 14 pilots can fly 26 Gripens?

How many Gripens do you have?

9 pilots can't fly 14 planes either.

Henry240:


Considering your pathetic state, the SAAF should sell off all their assets, not just the Gripen. Excerpt you want to start up a museum with brand new fighter jets.

If you cannot afford aviation fuel, what can you then afford?


"The real situation of the SAAF, no holywood make believe".

We can afford 14 operational 4th Gen Fighters. Nigeria can afford zero

We can afford a biger operational helicopter fleet

We can afford 22 000 hours of flight

RSA has 3X the money of Nigeria, we are at peace, we are running our armed forces accordingly. Your wartime NAF doesnt compare, and never will.

Henry240:


You have 9.

Answer the question, 14 pilots, is this a number to be proud of?

Its what we need.

So its nothing to be proud of, nothing to be ashamed of, its practical.

Unlike Nigerians, we South Africans are not an emotional people.

Also, day 2 of waiting for proof we only have 9

Henry240:


how do you intend on buying 7 Frigates, if you don't have money for common aviation fuel?

You wanna "wish" them into existence?

22 000 flight hours budgeted for

7 Frigates

Deal. With. It

Henry240:


The Nigerian Airforce has carried out 1635 airstrikes in 3 months. You think that did that with 2 Pilots?

Nope, you just lied about the number of airstrikes.

Provide us with a citation. Allow us to examine this figure.

Henry240:


Do you think "14" pilots can fly 26 Gripens?

You only got 9 Gripen pilots, shame.

Prove it.

We have 52 Hawk pilots, double the number of Hawks.

Just one conversion course and all Gripen and all Hawks will be combat ready.

Unlike you, we prepare for war while at peace.

The Nigerian solution would be to say "oldo dese here flyan machina be da much expensive! We sell da flyan machinene!!" then when war comes (like now) you dont have the gear you need (like now) and an enemy you should crush (like now) kicks your a** (like now) until you can buy the equipment you need which takes months to arrive and years to get full operational (like now)

Henry240:


How many Gripens do you have?

9 pilots can't fly 14 planes either.

Your 100% right 9 pilots cant fly 14 planes, thats why we have 14 pilots!

Patchesagain:


22 000 flight hours budgeted for

7 Frigates

Deal. With. It

We might be getting as much as 8 new OPVs!!

Henry240:


My original post says it all.

Your Airforce is virtually non-existent.

Your origional post says nothing other that aircraft that are a low priority are not fully operational and that aircraft about to be replaced are old.

Wow, good job Cpt Obvious.

18 000 flight hours

Deal with it

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mzilakazi:


Now count these ones.

Yes @Iterator counted ONLY 4 SAAF pilots in that crowd photo you posted. Thief, you glory thief of Soweto !

Gripen pilots from all over the world gather for Lion Effort in Sweden in 2012.

Only 4 pilots are South Africans in that crowd

ALL South Africans are fraudsters !

Likely your SAAF has only 4 pilots today, the few good ones that went to Lion Effort, the ones at home are unqualified crap pilots

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agaugust:
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Yes @Iterator counted ONLY 4 SAAF pilots in that crowd photo you posted. Thief, you glory thief of Soweto !

Gripen pilots from all over the world gather for Lion Effort in Sweden in 2012.

Only 4 pilots are South Africans in that crowd

ALL South Africans are fraudsters !

Likely your SAAF has only 4 pilots today, the few good ones that went to Lion Effort, the ones at home are unqualified crap pilots

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It says four South African Gripen, not four South African pilots

Learn
To
Read

Patchesagain:


It says four South African Gripen, not four South African pilots

Learn
To
Read

and ghosts will fly them

Patchesagain:


It says four South African Gripen, not four South African pilots

Learn
To
Read

LOL...I know Lion Effort page says you had 8 pilots, the good ones were 4, they had the lead with 4 Gripens only.

The other 4 are extras, bench warmer spare pilots in reserve at Lion Effort

LOL...at best you have 8 pilots for Gripen, the good ones are 4, the other 4 are crap.

agaugust:


LOL... I know Lion Effort page says you had 8 pilots, the good ones were 4, they had the lead with 4 Gripens only.

The other 4 are extras, bench warmer spare pilots in reserve at Lion Effort

LOL...at best you have 8 pilots for Gripen, the good ones are 4, the other 4 are crap.

So, you have just been exposed for lying?

Look at the part in bold above above

look what you said below

agaugust:
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Yes @Iterator counted ONLY 4 SAAF pilots in that crowd photo you posted. Thief, you glory thief of Soweto !

Only 4 pilots are South Africans in that crowd

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Whatever dude, no one takes you seriously anymore

agaugust:


LOL...I know Lion Effort page says you had 8 pilots, the good ones were 4, they had the lead with 4 Gripens only.

The other 4 are extras, bench warmer spare pilots in reserve at Lion Effort

LOL...at best you have 8 pilots for Gripen, the good ones are 4, the other 4 are crap.

You should really read your posts before actually posting them, all our pilots go through the same training, thus there are minimal differences between them.

jl115:

You should really read your posts before actually posting them, all our pilots go through the same training, thus there are minimal differences between them.

I did read my posts for sure, I read it so much that I even made it into photo screenshots for Nairaland to see.

SAAF had only 4 Jet aircraft in Lion Effort, for the 4 capable good pilots, the other 4 pilots belong to the drum beating trumpet blowing supporters club bench warmers.

So your pilots are NOT the same class, 4 good, 4 crap = 8 Gripen pilots.

Go see Lion Effort profile pages of SAAF pilots and see how many of your 8 pilots have real life combat exerience since the day they were born, the counting will embarrass SAAF
.

agaugust:


I did read my posts for sure, I read it so much that I even made it into photo screenshots for Nairaland to see.

SAAF had only 4 Jet aircraft in Lion Effort, for the 4 capable good pilots, the other 4 pilots belong to the drum beating trumpet blowing supporters club bench warmers.

So your pilots are NOT the same class, 4 good, 4 crap = 8 Gripen pilots.

Go see Lion Effort profile pages of SAAF pilots and see how many of your 8 pilots have real life combat exerience since the day they were born, the counting will embarrass SAAF
.

Nope,

you didnt read

you said 4 pilots

You cant dig your way out of this hole

learn to read.

Patchesagain:


But you yourself said that the 76mm is not effective at engaging air targets

Hahahaha, you killed yourself!!

Bwahaha

The air target in that argument was F-7 jet with speed over 2,000 km/h but now the air target in this new argument is a snail slow Lynx helicopter with 280 km/h speed that even Racing cars in the Grand Prix can match !

You don't know that gun effect on air target depends on aircraft speed, so you k.illed y.ourself....Mumu Durango
.

agaugust:


I did read my posts for sure, I read it so much that I even made it into photo screenshots for Nairaland to see.

SAAF had only 4 Jet aircraft in Lion Effort, for the 4 capable good pilots, the other 4 pilots belong to the drum beating trumpet blowing supporters club bench warmers.

So your pilots are NOT the same class, 4 good, 4 crap = 8 Gripen pilots.

Go see Lion Effort profile pages of SAAF pilots and see how many of your 8 pilots have real life combat exerience since the day they were born, the counting will embarrass SAAF
.

Citation to prove SAAF Gripen Pilots are not equal to each other.Do you even know how long it takes to become a 2 squadron pilot in SAAF?

Patchesagain:


Clueless?

Desert warfare will suit the SANDF perfectly

Do you want to know why?

I do not want to know why. Until they ve being tested and tried under this harsh theatres and I am not talking about a friendly military exercise. Only then will i want to know why. So Its high time you call on your Algerian friends for joint training in the sahara.

agaugust:


Bwahaha

The air target in that argument was F-7 jet with speed over 2,000 km/h but now the air target in this new argument is a snail slow Lynx helicopter with 280 km/h speed that even Racing cars in the Grand Prix can match !

You don't know that gun effect on air target depends on aircraft speed, so you k.illed y.ourself....Mumu Durango
.

lynx max speed is 324km/h

you will need to fuse the shells manually

lynx will be bobing and weaving

so shells will never be fused properly

Thus you have to score a direct hit

on a target you cannot even see and which is far more maneuverable than an F-7

Plus, what happens if you are attacked from the rear of the vessel? Your vessel has a massive blind spot where the gun cannot fire

A simple Lynx can cripple your finest vessel.

overhypedsteve:
I do not want to know why. Until they ve being tested and tried under this harsh theatres and I am not talking about a friendly military exercise. Only then will i want to know why. So Its high time you call on your Algerian friends for joint training in the sahara.

We have our own deserts and arid area's which we train in.

We have fought in the desert in two seperate wars

Desert warfare suits us perfectly

overhypedsteve:
I do not want to know why. Until they ve being tested and tried under this harsh theatres and I am not talking about a friendly military exercise. Only then will i want to know why. So Its high time you call on your Algerian friends for joint training in the sahara.

Ever heard of the Kalahari? And we fought in the Sahara in ww2.

Patchesagain:


It could easily do serious damage to your two USN cutters and a number of other vessels in the NN

First problem is NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana have 13km range 76mm gun with rapid fire mode anti-aircraft, so before Lynx can launch Mokopa 10km away, NNS Thunder has struck the helicopter dead 13km away.

Second problem is that South African military have NO SINGLE Mokopa in service
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agaugust:


First problem is NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana have 13km range 76mm gun with rapid fire mode anti-aircraft, so before Lynx can launch Mokopa 10km away, NNS Thunder has struck the helicopter dead 13km away.

Second problem is that South African military have NO SINGLE Mokopa in service
.

First problem is that both ships have massive blind spots where they cannot defend themselves from

Second, if we need it we get it. Its integrated.

DieVluit:


You can't mend your roof DURING the storm. You've built nothing as a result of Boko Haram. Instead, you've lost money, trust between your men, confidence in your military and the ability to strike fear in the hearts of opponents. Assuming you had all that in the first place.

what we and our allies against terrorism have learnt from the fight against boko haram, would not and cannot be thought in any military academy. And what we ve learnt, we will live to protect and teach to generations and generations of our children that will make that noble decision to serve in the nations army.

agaugust:


First problem is NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana have 13km range 76mm gun with rapid fire mode anti-aircraft, so before Lynx can launch Mokopa 10km away, NNS Thunder has struck the helicopter dead 13km away.

Second problem is that South African military have NO SINGLE Mokopa in service
.

How accurate is that gun of yours at 13km trying to hit a moving target?

jl115:

Ever heard of the Kalahari? And we fought in the Sahara in ww2.

lol, in ww2 my grandfather also fought against the British army in the 19th century. No kidding he did and he killed a few too. Read about the Benin massacre. But forget that, we re talking about the 21st century here. Stop hauling south African history @ me.

ActivateKruger:


First its the SANDF not SADF.
Second, do you have an idea how hot the Northern Cape is where our soldiers are born?

jl115:

Ever heard of the Kalahari? And we fought in the Sahara in ww2.

the Kalahari is like a picnic park compared to what can be found in the N`eastern Nigeria especially the sahelian region. Here is what wikipedia have to say about your "desert" .[b]. Even where the Kalahari "desert" is dry enough to qualify as a desert in the sense of having low precipitation, it is not strictly speaking a desert because it has too dense a ground cover, often close to 100%. The main region that lacks ground cover is in the southwest Kalahari (southeast of Namibia and northwest of South Africa around the Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park).

In an area of about 600,000 km² in the south and west of the Kalahari, the vegetation is mainly xeric savanna. This area is the ecoregion identified by World Wide Fund for Nature as Kalahari xeric savanna AT1309. Typical savanna grasses include (Schmidtias, Stipagrostis, Aristida, and Eragrostis) interspersed with trees such as camelthorn (Acacia erioloba), grey camelthorn (Acacia haematoxylon), shepherd’s tree (Boscia albitrunca), blackthorn (Acacia mellifera), and silver cluster-leaf (Terminalia sericea).

In certain areas where the climate is drier, it becomes a true semi-desert with ground not entirely covered by vegetation, an "open" vegetation as opposed to "closed" vegetation. Examples include the north of the Siyanda District, itself in the north of South Africa, and the Keetmanshoop Rural in the south-east of Namibia. In the north and east, there are dry forests covering an area of over 300,000 km² in which Rhodesian teak and several species of Acacia are prominent. These regions are termed Kalahari Acacia-Baikiaea woodlands AT0709.[4]

Outside the Kalahari "desert", but still in the Kalahari basin, a halophytic vegetation to the north is adapted to pans, lakes that are completely dry during the dry season, and maybe for years during droughts, such as in Etosha (Etosha Pan halophytics AT0902) and Makgadikgadi (Zambezian halophytics AT0908).[4]

A totally different vegetation is adapted to the perennial fresh water of the Okavango Delta, an ecoregion termed (Zambezian flooded grasslands AT0907).North and east, approximately where the dry forests, savannahs and salt lakes prevail, the climate is sub-humid rather than semi-arid. South and west, where the vegetation is predominantly xeric savanna or even a semi-desert, the climate is "Kalaharian" semi-arid. The Kalaharian climate is subtropical (average annual temperature greater than or equal to 18 °C, with mean monthly temperature of the coldest month strictly below 18 °C), and is semi-arid with the dry season during the "cold" season, the coldest six months of the year. It is the southern tropical equivalent of the Sahelian climate. The altitude has been adduced as the explanation why the Kalaharian climate is not tropical; its altitude ranges from 600 to 1600 meters (and generally from 800 to 1200 meters), resulting in a cooler climate than that of the Sahel or Sahara. For example, winter frost is common from June to August, something rarely seen in the warmer Sahelian regions.[5] For the same reason, summer temperatures certainly can be very hot, but not in comparison to regions of low altitude in the Sahel or Sahara, where some stations record average temperatures of the warmest month around 38°C, whereas the average temperature of the warmest month in any region in the Kalahari never exceeds 29°C, though daily temperatures occasionally reach up to close to 45 °C [/b] I wish our troops had such a beautifuly cool place to fight. Maybe they could even snap some pictures while they are at it. Your Kalahari will be a nice vacation place for our " desert fox"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalahari_Desert
And that is where you do your desert warfare simulation.

rka1:




OPV = Offshore Patrol Vessel usually armed with medium and smaller calibre guns.

Corvette = missile armed escort vessel smaller in size to a Frigate.

Modern corvettes


Modern navies began a trend in the late 20th and early 21st centuries towards smaller, more manoeuvrable surface capability. Corvettes have a displacement between 540 and 3,000 long tons (550 and 3,050 t) and measure 180–420 ft (55–128 m) in length. They are usually armed with medium- and small-caliber guns, surface-to-surface missiles, surface-to-air missiles, and antisubmarine weapons. Many can accommodate a small or medium antisubmarine warfare helicopter.

Most countries with coastlines can build corvette-sized ships, either as part of their commercial shipbuilding activities or in purpose-built yards, but the sensors, weapons, and other systems required for a surface combatant are more specialized and are around 60% of the total cost. These components are purchased on the international market.[3]

Bull's eye ! On target !
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