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| Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Nobody: 6:04pm On Dec 18, 2014 |
Okay! This is an excerpt from herald9's comment. He made it on a thread, and I extracted the one that's relevant to the thread and answered, inorder not to derail. But, I decided to create this thread and explain the others for him. https://www.nairaland.com/2047953/december25th-bible/1#28984621 herald9:Luke1:10- And the whole multitude of the people was praying outside at the hour of incense. Exodus30: 34-37 34. And the LORD said to Moses: Take sweet spices, stacte and onycha and galbanum, and pure frankincese with these sweet spices; there shall be equal amounts of each. 35. "You shall make of these an incense, a compound according to the art of the perfumer, salted, pure and holy. 36 "And you shall beat some of it before the testimony in the tabernacle of meeting where I will meet with you. It shall be most holy to you. 37. "But as for the incense which you shall make, you shall not make any for yourselves, according to its composition. It shall be to you holy for the LORD. So brother, tell me how this is a pagans tradition?. Only protestants who are not practising it, that should be accused from deviating away in what the Lord our God has told us to obey. worshipping of millions saints...Proverb 15:8- The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD, But the prayer of the uprights is His delight. ^^^it goes that show that the prayer of wicked ones isn't acceptable in the eyes of our LORD GOD. So, who would do that? bowing for carved images...Number21:8-9 8. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live. 9. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived. Exodus25:17-20 17. "You shall make a mercy seat of pure gold; two and a half cubits shall be its length and a cubit and a half its width. 18. "And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat. 19. "Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim at the two ends of it of one piece with the mercy seat. 20. "And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and they shall face one another; the faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat. Act19:11-12 11. Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 So that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. adoring the cross which is supposed to be stowed away as it represents pains and suffering.Who adores cross?  You mean your Church? My Church doesn't.Or could you clarify what you mean by it? Catholicism is a dead religion…All it's practices are medieval and was supposed to die with the old testamentant.At underlined, really?  Provide a biblical proof, biko?  At emboldened, Matthew5:17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets, I didn't come to destroy but to fufill.  Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary.  122 Likes 13 Shares |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by herald9: 8:01pm On Dec 18, 2014 |
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| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by herald9: 8:37pm On Dec 18, 2014 |
FrancisTony: The story of Zechariah... hmmm This happened before the formation of Christianity. Remember Zechariah was from the old generation who were still practising Judaism. After the formation of Christianity those doctrines were to be abandoned. Incense is being used today among pagans in worship and in procedures designed to release power and invoke spells. So if Budhism uses incense..Toasm uses incense...If we Christian uses it too...what will distinguish us from the them? How will they know our God is different from theirs? We should worship the Creator of the universe not the creation. Since the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus the veil in the Holy Place have been removed... So there's no need for candle burning. Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? number one 20 Likes 4 Shares |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by italo: 10:34pm On Dec 18, 2014 |
herald9: Rev5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. Incense is used in heaven. Is heaven also pagan? Give up! 66 Likes 7 Shares |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by herald9: 11:24pm On Dec 18, 2014 |
italo: Lolz... There's a relationship between burning of incense and the prayer of a believer. Our prayers are like incense which rises into the nostrils of God...That's how incense worked in the olden days...Now that Jesus brought a new covenant... burning of incense is a sin to God. And from that passage you quoted above... we can conclude that the bowl full of incense are the prayers of the righteous. Not still convince? Answer the questions on my next post. 15 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by herald9: 11:28pm On Dec 18, 2014 |
What is your purpose of burning incense? Are you burning incense in order to make your prayers more powerful because you believe they will have a greater impact on God? Do you wish to burn incense because it was done in the Tabernacle of Moses and you wish to imulate this? cc: italo 7 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by vest(m): 6:33am On Dec 19, 2014 |
italo:thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven(our lord's prayer matt6:10) if God's wil is for incense to be burnt in heaven. so let it be done on earth as it is in heaven. simple!! 29 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by italo: 6:43am On Dec 19, 2014 |
herald9: You said burning incense is pagan. Yet incense is burnt in heaven. Shut up and give up. 27 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by italo: 6:46am On Dec 19, 2014 |
herald9: So people in heaven are committing sin? Shut up and give up. 18 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Nobody: 7:42am On Dec 19, 2014 |
herald9:Matthew5:17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets, I didn't come to destroy but to fufill. Remember Zechariah was from the old generation who were still practising Judaism.So, your point is that we should abandon it because it was done in the old testament? Why not abandon YAHWEH too, and worship a new god. Probably, you could choose from Sol invictus, Ashtoreth, Aphrodite, Venus etc 7 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by herald9: 9:53am On Dec 19, 2014 |
italo: Lolz... you intentionally dodged my questions cause you know there are hidden truths therein... Why are you people always suppressing the truth in order to continually propagate a false doctrine? I clearly stated that the incense in the bowl is not to be taken literally... It represented 'The prayers of the saints' (believers). Just check out the the functions of incense burning in the olden days and you'll see why it's not still important in this new covenant age. #peace 7 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by herald9: 10:02am On Dec 19, 2014 |
FrancisTony: [size=30]This passage doesn't correlate at all...Was burning of incense a law or instructions? [/size] Of course.. he came to fulfill it..by doing so...we are free from the laws to embrace this new grace. #peace Just imagination... After converting a Buddhist?...You bring him to your Catholic church to partake in your worship... If he sees all the burning of candles...bowing to the cross... and that their occult-like processions... What will he think of you guys? 8 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Nobody: 10:34am On Dec 19, 2014 |
herald9:After Converting a Muslim, he comes to your church and sees you worshipping your God same way they do(in spirit without seeing him); What would he think of you guys? 10 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by herald9: 11:01am On Dec 19, 2014 |
FrancisTony: Lolz... Ours is very different... We don't sit on the floor... We don't preach (or whatever they do) in Arabic or Hebrews... It's purely English. We don't sing that their funny songs...etc. Meanwhile in Catholic... You recite a 30min or 1 hour incantations. (Just like the Buddhist are doing ) You wear white robes and coloured turbans,Just like the ones I used to see in Naija occultic movies... You have portraits of St Mary...St.Peter...St.Simon St Samson etc all over the places (Just like you'll find that of Buddha's in a Buddhist temple ) You said your prayers while fiddling with the rosary... Let me stop here... Now whose doctrines looks more occultic here? 8 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Nobody: 12:00pm On Dec 19, 2014 |
herald9:Catholic Pray in their indigenous language with a little touch of Lation. Does Buddhist Pray in Latin? Meanwhile in Catholic... You recite a 30min or 1 hour incantations. (Just like the Buddhist are doing )Define Incantation and tell me how Catholics recite incantation. By the way, the tongue pentecostals speak could be referred as an incantation because the speakers are ignorant of it. You wear white robes and coloured turbans,Just like the ones I used to see in Naija occultic movies...Naija Occultic Movies? Same way looters, armed robbers, some cult members etc put on Suit like your pastors do. You have portraits of St Mary...St.Peter...St.Simon St Samson etc all over the places (Just like you'll find that of Buddha's in a Buddhist temple )There own is different from ours. You said your prayers while fiddling with the rosary...This is not compulsory and isn't done in the church. We only pray rosary at home when needed. We say "hail Mary", "Our Father", "Glory be to the father". etc Now, remind me if Buddha's do say it. Let me stop here...Bible.....  20 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by pweetyz(f): 4:28am On Dec 20, 2014 |
Herald9..i typed a really intelligent reply to you buh it was stolen away by network probs and i'm too lazy to re-type bdw..if you call catholics pagans..do you also imply that the pope saint Peter who was so loved by Jesus christ is a pagan?? 7 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by herald9: 9:12am On Dec 20, 2014 |
pweetyz: Quote any portion of the Bible that said Peter was a Saint and a pope 3 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by vest(m): 10:43am On Dec 20, 2014 |
pweetyz:jst try nd re-type it abeg god is ur strength |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Youngsage: 11:00am On Dec 20, 2014 |
well... |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Youngsage: 11:03am On Dec 20, 2014 |
pweetyz:hiii pweetyz Could you expantiate further on the bolded above? I hear catholics say that a lot, I wonder why... |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Youngsage: 11:13am On Dec 20, 2014 |
FrancisTony:okayy... So on whose authority or command do you 'pray rosary'? God, or The Roman Catholic Church? And 'Hail Mary'? Also in the bible? |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Pr0ton: 11:57am On Dec 20, 2014 |
Hmmm Franky. You think that is all the Bible has to say FrancisTony: Nah, not really. For as long as this instruction isn't given in the NT it isn't worth following. Diehard Catholics. You guys have forgotten what Paul says that "finding fault with the Old Testament/Covenant" He (God) decided to make a new one saying, "I'll make a New Covenant with them. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, in the day when I took them out of the land of Egypt." So brother, tell me how this is a pagans tradition?. Only protestants who are not practising it, that should be accused from deviating away in what the Lord our God has told us to obey. Paul doesn't stop there, he says since He has made "a New Covenant" which is "not written with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart." 2 Cor 3:3 He "has made the first old" and "that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Jews and Catholics are just wasting their time, perhaps offending their God too, by living under the OT which has been done away on the cross. Your use of Luke doesn't make a point here, as that's just a mere passage and not an instruction to be followed. Proverb 15:8- The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD, Can't remember the exact proverb. It says something like, "You can only force a camel to the river. But you can't force it to drink." Even if the upright prays on behalf of this person who is still wicked the prayer would have no effect. If it would then God has somewhat answered the prayer of this wicked through the prayer of the upright and therefore making God a man of not His words. What does Ezekiel 18:20b say? "the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." Remember, Abraham prayed for Sodom that if peradventure God found 10 righteous men that He shouldn't destroy it. God agreed not to destroy it only if He would find 10 righteous men. Unfortunately for Sodom, there were no 10 righteous men, so God destroyed it. The righteous had prayed, it's left for the wicked to turn from his ways. You guys distort that verse. Its true meaning is only the prayer of the upright will be answered for himself. And the wicked's will be rejected. Number21:8-9 and the fun starts Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Leviticus 26:1 “You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am theLordyour God. Acts 17:29 Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. Deuteronomy 4:16-19 Beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth. And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven. Isaiah 42:8 I am theLord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. Glory to Mithras 25th on my mind.One more Franky... "Christ is the end of the law; righteousness to everyone who believes." Modified 9 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Nobody: 12:57pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Youngsage:"Our father" is from Jesus. He said we should pray it always. "Hail Mary"- Virgin Mary visited three children of Fatima and gave them Rosary. |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Nobody: 1:03pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Pr0ton, I'd be back for you. I don't type epistles with my Operamini except Ucbrowser. Later on, but before today runs out sha. |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Youngsage: 1:19pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
FrancisTony:i didn't ask you anything about the bolded. Did Jesus Christ ask you to pray with the rosary always, or did He or any of his disciples pray with it? Yes or No? Present your Biblical backings. So, your 'virgin mary' visited three children,gave them your rosary and told them to pray 'Hail Mary?! Hilarious! What gospel was that visit recorded? Another story you have been made to believe. *sighs* Who is Fatima anyway? 1 Like |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Pr0ton: 1:33pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
FrancisTony: Olhyt. Will swap to my UCB when your reply reach me |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by Nobody: 3:41pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Youngsage:I repeat that Mary visited Children of Fatima and handed "Rosary" to them. You don't need to believe--that's a miracle. So, your 'virgin mary' visited three children,gave them your rosary and told them to pray 'Hail Mary?! Hilarious! At bolded, she's not your Virgin, abi? Hail Mary, full of grace, the LORD is with thee- Luke1:28 by Angel Gabriel. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of they womb Jesus- Luke1:48 by Elizabeth. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now till the hour of our death. Amen- Prayer request which was inspired. Another story you have been made to believe. *sighs*Fatima is a place in Italy not someones name. |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by pweetyz(f): 5:46am On Dec 21, 2014 |
herald9:come on..you can't possibly tell me that everything which is right and true or which really happened is recorded in the bible Pope saint Peter became a saint after his death and i'm certain you know he was in charge of the vatican city as well as founded thecatholic church the catholic church is also universal as it is the same all over the world and which is a proof of the holy and universal church which jesus spoke to peter about cc:youngsage 4 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by italo: 7:09am On Dec 21, 2014 |
herald9:You said the use of incense is pagan... ...without showing me where God said so. Then I showed you where God himself uses incense in heaven. The 24 elders each had a golden bowl full of incense. That is what the Bible says. Nowhere does it mention the word 'non-literal' as you are trying to force it to say. 4 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by italo: 7:12am On Dec 21, 2014 |
Youngsage: First of all, where did Jesus say that anything not recorded in the Bible shouldnt be done? Where did he even mention Bible? The Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church in 382 at the Synod of Rome under Pope Damasus. No? 4 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by italo: 7:14am On Dec 21, 2014 |
Youngsage: The authority with which you hold on to the Bible, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH - GOD'S ONE TRUE CHURCH. 4 Likes |
| Re: Catholicism Doctrines And Its Biblical Root(debunking An Argument) by herald9: 7:59am On Dec 21, 2014 |
pweetyz: Is this the intelligent reply you told me about? Then I'm disappointed I expected to see not less than two or more Biblical portions to backup this your assumptions but you've failed to do so....Which goes to show that The Catholic have been Doing The Thinking For Their God since 0.0BC. I don't care if you call him Chief Peter,Professor Peter, Doctor Peter etc...But saint-izing him which makes him automatically become a demi-god capable of being worshipped is against Biblical injunctions. Even in their life time,the apostles refused to be worshipped ( Acts 10:25-26 ; 14:13-14 ). The holy angels too refused to be worshipped ( Revelation 19:10 ; 22:9 ). Why force title and worship on people who doesn't need it?...Isn't that bullying? Is high time you guys start adopting the Bible as the only book that contains the tenets of Christendom. Any other additions are against the authority of the Bible. If Peter became a saint after his death...then Pastor E.O.Okon of Apostolic Church should be a saint by now. Lolz 4 Likes 1 Share |
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