lomaxx:
Too many questions. Too few answers.

My brother! No be small thing ooo

"free will"

Youngsage:

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I didn't say pride isn't evil.
I said it earlier. Pride originated from Lucifer, now Satan. He wasn't created with it, he wasn't created with sin. He was made blameless, but he became proud because of his beauty, he wanted to rule. He wanted God's position.
Sin, or evil started as a result of Satan's pride. This pride originated from his thoughts, it came from within Him. God cannot be in the prescence of sin, so he had to cast him out into his own realm, where he could be king.

I appreciate your patience in trying to inform these people. But it seems this thread was created purely to fuel arguments and not for a sincere search for truth. When they meet their maker, let them ask Him to His face or better still ask the devil since they seem to be quite intimate with him. We who believe, believe and there is nothing any mere mortal can do about it!

astronautog:
reading through ur post I knw u dnt believe in God,but I ask u this,r u sayin witches and wizards are folk tales too??bro if witches do exist then there are higher powers,ask ur self how u suddenly came into d world,look around u see the way tins works in and outside this planet.they all follow a process life is no fluke sometin is responsible for all these so bro change ur school of thought #peace.

your comment is fallacious

falseman:



Sorry you got it wrong. Satan was jealous of the dominion God gave man after creation and he wanted to have dominion over us rather than serving us thus he deceived Eve and she fell for his trap. His rebellion against God was about pride and jealous and believe me he got what he wanted despite losing his place in heaven. Today he is the ruler of this world.

No.you are the one that is wrong&he never got what he wanted..
We have powers over the angels&devils cos We were created in Gods image rather its sin that has kept us where we are.the devil wanted that throne of christ but cos of his pride was denied that place&he was casted out of heaven..its just like planning a coup&not succeding,you know whats next.so he knew that where he could get God was tru mankind&thats why after rapture he is coming again to make people to get that mark.remeber that devil,demons,hades,death are all going to be thrown into the lake of fire,so his aim is to get as much people as he could lay his hands on

Weselion:
It was not an evil spirit, it was pride. When God Creates a living thing, he allows them make choices. Angels knew how powerful God was and know the consequence of not worshiping him, the Devil wanted to face the consequence. Even human beings have a choice, its either you worship God or the Devil but there are bad consequences when you worship the devil.

Heavengly beings are not like flesh bro!
They are only designed to warship God singing "holly holly holly"
Lucifer was a spirit created by God to serve him.
The question, where was the force that possessed him came from?
Is he the only angel in heaven?
I've argued this with my friend when I told him that lucifer was possesed by a for and he asked me "who possessed him?" And I couldn't answer!

Note: on the contrary of wat u said sir. Only human has the ability to make choice, not even the angels, ok?.

Previously their was nothing like the name davil untill the eruption of the crisis. The devil u hear or see today r all fallen angels that fought with lucifer and many more that are still fallen till date.

Yu see. When GOD created angels. He created them with different feelings (love, sadness, happy, good, bad, evil, e.t.c.) datz where evil comes frm.

Pr0ton:


and that's how they run away...

I pity your soul... In due time you shall answer Jesus Christ when your cup is full... For now, you can rant and insult God as you like.. She its too much freedom ? No worry

I don't know why u all keep arguing in circles!
God created ALL THINGs but humans have freewill to do as they wish. If you are not satisfied with that, go and jump inside a Lagoon period!

In the book of genesis chapter 1 verse 26, it says, let US make man; and in verse 2b; and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of waters. This means that b4 d downfall of lucifer, the spirit of God and angels and lucifer have bn in the world, and God was incharge and the ruler of evry oda angel and spirit, but lucifer became jealous of Gods powers and became hungry 4 power, so d spirit dat entered lucifer emanated from him himself uhrough his thoughts to rule d world thatthey created.. NOTE: lucifer wasnt created but he was wt God durhng the creation. So after the war wt God and failure, he was banished and vanished dwn to easth by God wtthe oda spirits that he convinced.

Collynzo9:
Good question, but they can never give you a reasonable answer.

A lot of questions without answer in the bible.

For example, why put that tree in the garden of Eden knowing fully well what it can cause?

The answer lies in your brain.. Very simple


God wanted to see how Loyal man can be...he loved us and so wanted to see how much we can loved him back...That's why he asked Adam to control everything on earth.. Name every living

johnchiii:
In the book of genesis chapter 1 verse 26, it says, let US make man; and in verse 2b; and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of waters. This means that b4 d downfall of lucifer, the spirit of God and angels and lucifer have bn in the world, and God was incharge and the ruler of evry oda angel and spirit, but lucifer became jealous of Gods powers and became hungry 4 power, so d spirit dat entered lucifer emanated from him himself uhrough his thoughts to rule d world thatthey created.. NOTE: lucifer wasnt created but he was wt God durhng the creation. So after the war wt God and failure, he was banished and vanished dwn to easth by God wtthe oda spirits that he convinced.

Then who created Lucifer?
You mean God is not the creator of all things we can see and cannot?
Where the Lucifer came from, God's brother or cousin?

Weselion:
It was not an evil spirit, it was pride. When God Creates a living thing, he allows them make choices. Angels knew how powerful God was and know the consequence of not worshiping him, the Devil wanted to face the consequence. Even human beings have a choice, its either you worship God or the Devil but there are bad consequences when you worship the devil.

...immense revelation pay say.No existence of devil in our lives but we ll decide WHOM we want to be.

ooman:


Ok, so god's perfect creation has an inherent corruption.
Then god's not perfect to begin with.

even a new born baby can get angry, have u ask yourself where she copy that., every creation contain light and darkness

I'm really enjoying this.. Especially page 0..
I think we should ask ourselves first what a spirit is.. Then move on from there.. We can have this philosophical discourse without insults.. Anyone who's interested should mention and let's try n figure this out..

MadCow1:



So in heaven there is no democracy.. Anybody who tries to replace God gets fhucked up.

Haven't you heard? He who makes the rules dictates the tunes.

victorazy:


Then who created Lucifer?
You mean God is not the creator of all things we can see and cannot?
Where the Lucifer came from, God's brother or cousin?

God is the creator, go and read that passage well, wen God said "Us", he was reffering to al the angels and spirits. "in OUR own image"

chrisviral:


And you forget that God is the creator, his word is Law, so Lucifers account whether good or evil doesn't matter, the Creator has decided. It's that simple.

It indeed is that simple...

But does not make it right.

Any sane man would hear both sides of the story before making a judgement.. But in Christianity the case is different.

That is why I have chosen to stay neutral in this matter.. God who ordered the Israelis not to kill also ordered them to wipe out the Canaanites in the same book of Exodus. Infact, the journey of the Israelis from Egypt to Canaan was riddled with killings.

God killed more people in the Bible than Lucifer yet the bible let's us to believe that Lucifer is the bad guy..


Gods word is indeed Law..

brainiac007:


Haven't you heard? He who makes the rules dictates the tunes.

Indeed...

I believe right from the beginning, there exist good and evil. I believe before God started His creation, there exist a story that we may never know about. Whatever happened with Lucifer, the Angels and God, didn't begin and end in one day. It's same thing that happens today, where everyone wants to be in power. The Angels knew evil exist, but they made a choice to remain loyal to God. Lucifer kept wishing he was king, the thought kept growing, he started planning and planting the idea of a coup in the heart of the other Angels. He succeeded in convincing one third of them. When God finally banished Lucifer and the other Angels, Heaven became pure again. A typical example of that was Adam and Eve who knew no evil from the start. Lucifer gave them the code, disobey God. The question that should really be asked is "why should God plant that tree of life and tell Adam and Eve not to eat from it?. Looks more like God was calling for trouble. But then again good and evil has been in existence from the very beginning. The Bible made us understand everything God created was good. Evil may also play a minor part in the creation which may have resulted to that tree. And God warned them off it that if they eat from it, they will die. Reason been that, that tree has an element of evil. Adam and Eve were made pure with good, the typical heaven after the fall of Lucifer, the moment they ate that fruit, they knew evil immediately. They became stained. They now knew both good and evil. Nothing stops God from pardoning them, but they had evil in them God couldn't come close. There was a huge gap. No matter what, man was stained forever. Even though Adam and Eve could see God with their very own eyes, they lost it. That's why today Jesus, the sacrificial lamb, the pure blood, the man with no evil in Him, serves as the link between man and God. Even though you die today in Christ Jesus, you still won't see God in His original self, but in Jesus who is God Himself.

He (lucifer) concentrated on his glory that God gave him instead of concentrating on God the giver. therefore pride came in into his life.... This is as a result of a power that God gave to all His creatures, that is the power of selfwill. To do what we want..... And that is what lucifer used.
Or will u say someone is obedient when he does not have the power to disobey you?

Collynzo9:

We know what fuel is used for and why anyone could keep a gallon in his/her compound, what was the purpose of that tree if not unnecessary temptation?
Besides, I'll keep the fuel as far way from the reach of the child as possible.

No. You can only guess what the man wanted to use the fuel for. You could never be certain. Fuel could be used to wipe off the stubborn stain on a tiled floor, for his car, for arson, etc. Whatever the reason, he chose to keep it to himself, afterall he's the man of the house. The question you asked can best be asked the one who planted the tree. Please search him out, perhaps you''ll find the answers you seek.

Adiwana:


No.you are the one that is wrong&he never got what he wanted..
We have powers over the angels&devils cos We were created in Gods image rather its sin that has kept us where we are.the devil wanted that throne of christ but cos of his pride was denied that place&he was casted out of heaven..its just like planning a coup&not succeding,you know whats next.so he knew that where he could get God was tru mankind&thats why after rapture he is coming again to make people to get that mark.remeber that devil,demons,hades,death are all going to be thrown into the lake of fire,so his aim is to get as much people as he could lay his hands on

What are you talking about? What was the purpose of Christ on earth? If your answer is to wash away our sins then you are wrong with your assumption. Lucifer can't be jealous of Christ when he wasn't in existence. By the way did the rebellion of lucifer occur before or after the creation of mankind?
If you answer that correctly you will understand what made lucifer jealous and it has nothing to do with Christ.

brainiac007:


Haven't you heard? He who makes the rules dictates the tunes.

people dont get it.GOD is a consuming FIRE!!! How can you put your hand in a fire&not expect to get burnt..Devil never wanted Gods throne rather he wanted the place of christ&since we are created in Gods image,that position is ours&the devil has sworn we will never get to that position

Youngsage:

- He wasn't just a devoted angel, he was very very powerful. As a matter of fact, he was an Archangel, the most powerful of the three that God created.
He was a magnificent being , with more intellect, wisdom, ability and beauty than the other angelic beings, was awesome to behold. No wonder God named him Lucifer which means 'Day Star' or 'Son of The Morning'.
To cut the long story short, it got to a point that he became discontent with his position, even as the angel of worship/music director in heaven, and prominence and wanted to overthrow God. His downfall began because Pride entered his heart, and because of his power, he got some angels on his side, one third of all the angels, this then led to a war between lucifer and his men, and the other archangel/angels.
He was defeated, and together with the fallen angels, was banished from Heaven and God changed his name to Satan/Devil meaning 'adversary', and these fallen angels are known today as Demons... And so on.

The spirit that polluted Satan, came from Satan himself, it entered him- from him that moment he allowed Pride take over him. Hence the origin of sin originated from the creation, not the creator. Never.
Although Satan, or Lucifer was not created evil, he originated His own sin which which was pride and rebellion against God.
The same sin Adam commited. Rebellion- deliberately disobeying God's intsruction- The first or original sin- on Earth...

where was this account written in the Bible? and why did God the omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent not forsee the devil's opening of Man's third Eye

brainiac007:

Whoever taught you that you have two spirits in you taught you wrongly! Man is spirit. You can only be influenced by good or evil. The choice is left for you to make.
Also, like Men, Angels are not robots. They have free-will. Like the bible says, nothing from outside can corrupt a man but what comes from inside. God gave both men and angels his creative ability. the ability to create both good and evil resides within..that Is what corrupted the devil - it was his choice!

and God being omniscient knew beforehand that the ability to choose between good and evil would eventually be disastrous. Being programmed as rebots would be better. No one would go to hell. We'll all do good, praise Him, worship Him, He becomes our God, we become His people. And that's love. He shouldn't be childish; creating imperfect beings and expecting all of them to turn good.

falseman:



What are you talking about? What was the purpose of Christ on earth? If your answer is to wash away our sins then you are wrong with your assumption. Lucifer can't be jealous of Christ when he wasn't in existence. By the way did the rebellion of lucifer occur before or after the creation of mankind?
If you answer that correctly you will understand what made lucifer jealous and it has nothing to do with Christ.

it happened before the creation of mankind.Christ was sent to Save mankind from our sins..remeber that Christ has been there before mankind..remeber ''before Abraham,i was''

sukkot:
God gave him ( lucifer ) freewill in the book of genesis chapter 2. he is the tree of knowledge of good and evil meaning he has the capability to do good and evil. freewill

Change that thought. Every angel was given the freewill and they all know Good from Evil. Lucifer is not the tree of knowledge.

His proud and never satisfied heart