When people won't learn from the right sources, they would be dazzled by anything and believe say na ponmo dey inside sardine.

tbaba1234:




Jinns and their activities are recorded in the sunnah and Quran.

There is precedence.

Ma sha Allah. Qur'an narrated the Story of Nabi Sulayman and those powerful Jinns that used to work for him. Even man can perform wonders without consulting Jinn.

All power and might belong to God.

Empiree: I also think they thought my narrations are lined up 123 or xyz. Thats just not. It's here and there and most are at least 20yrs old but it sounds fresh to them.

That's the reason Tbaba1234 said that they are possibly Jinns because of their frequent appearances.Maybe he thought whenever the man needs Ruhaniyah, he just recites Yasin and he shows up.

Empiree: My question to you Mr. lanrexlan is, can mainstream imam/muslims do this or will they tell the patient to go to the hospital?. And this is not the only rare case.

Mainstream Imaams don't forbid hospitals I think.
To the second question, you self know they won't allow such na.

Empiree: He showed up for a reason best known to Him (azal wajal). You gotta learn to know how to use "kun fayakun" brother lanrexlan. Not boosting. Just telling fact that they couldnt wait to hear. I amn not boosting either and i dont claim i know the whole concept of the thing. I roll my eyes too somtimes, like this

@Underlined, thank you.Some people are thinking you are using Yasin to invoked the Ruhaniyah and afterwards he will 'drink' the blood of the livestock.
Ibn Abid Dunyaa(Rahimatullah Alaih) said 'The knowledge of the Holy Qu'ran and that which can be derived out of it are vast as a boundless ocean'.

May Allah guide us and makes the Deen easy for us.

Empiree: What i notice is those people that do "tassawuf", their result doesnt have to be the same as Alfa nla said in one of his videos. Some, their rewards are reserved till next life. Some, their rewards are here and afterlife. It all depends on Him and destiny.

AlBaqir sum it up in this beautiful post, may Allah bless the brother more than he yearned for(Amin).

AlBaqir: The line of
Tasawwuf is simplify as: Niyyat (Intention) >> Shariat (religious law, codes
etc) >> Tariqat (spiritual path) >> Haqiqat (Absolute Truth).
Most of these people lack seriously, in fact, they boycott the Shariat while even their Niyyat is worldly, and not Godly, then they boast of Tariqat after one form of "adhkar" and start narrating their "spiritual experience" etc. Truly they might see something, they might hear something and feel something extra ordinary but they cannot separate grains from chaff. What they see: Is it "Ruhullah (spirit of Allah) or "Ruhushaytan" (spirit of satan) disguising as spirit of God in order to mislead? Here majority will never seek refuge in Allah for guidance. One has to be very careful indeed.
Allah knows best.

Intentions matter most, the reward can come anytime.That's what Alfas Nla said, he said 'You can't say you are doing tawassuf and you abandoned your family at home, tawassuf means being good to the creator by obeying Him, being good your fellow creatures even the animals and being good to yourself'.

Empiree: One thing i know about this man though is he always pray "Olohun je kaye ko yemi, korun ko yemi to ba di ojo agbe nde ko si dara fun mi" etc. Translate this for them

How much you go pay?

It means ''O Allah, let this world be good for me, and the hereafter should be good for me also and on the Day of resurrection, let it be well and better for me''.

I would quickly like to add this on the issue of Ruh...

Islam as a religion is not based on personal reasoning or innovative ideas; it is based on what was revealed to the best of mankind, practiced by the best generation of Muslims…

The Prophet (SAW) was reported to have said: “Verily the best among you (to follow) is my generation (the Messenger Muhammad (SAW) and his Companions (RA)), then those who follow, and then those who follow them…” (Saheeh Muslim, Book: the Virtues of the Sahaabah, chapter 52 hadeeth #2535)

Allah (SWT) states: “And whoso opposeth the messenger after the guidance (of Allah) hath been manifested unto him, and followeth other than the believer's way, We appoint for him that unto which he himself hath turned, and expose him unto hell a hapless journey's end!” (Qur’an 4:115)

So when we ask for you to bring evidences from the best of mankind, and the best of generations, we are not being rigid, we are being careful to follow the Prophet’s (SAW) instructions cos there is no other Guidance except that of Muhammad (SAW). You can twist and turn words, you can even come up with your own tafsir and the likes, but if no evidence still, you are on your own SIMPLE!

وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُمْ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا (
85)
“They will ask you about the Ruh, say the Ruh is from the command of my Lord, and what you have been given (the questioners and mankind in general) in knowledge is but little” (Qur’an 17:85)

The reason for the revelation of this verse is said to be as a result of some Jews asking the Prophet(SAW) about the Ruh, and thus the Ayah was revealed…

According to tafsir Tabari, there is a difference of opinion in the interpretation of Ruh in the above verse, the first interpretation is Jubril alayhi Salam and a narration to support this is as follows:

محمد بن عبد الأعلى، قال: ثنا محمد بن ثور، عن معمر، عن قتادة( وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ ) قال: هو جبرائيل،

Reported from Qatadah, “and they ask about the Ruh” he said it is Jubril.

Others are of the opinion that it is an Angel amongst the Angels amongst them was Ibn Abbas and Ali (RA) according to the narrations presented in the tafsir. The narration that is quite interesting, although not sure of its authenticity, is the following…

حدثني عليّ، قال: ثنا عبد الله بن صالح، قال: ثني أبو مروان يزيد بن سمرة صاحب قيسارية، عمن حدثه عن عليّ بن أبي طالب، أنه قال في قوله( وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوح ) قال: هو ملك من الملائكة له سبعون ألف وجه، لكل وجه منها سبعون ألف لسان، لكل لسان منها سبعون ألف لغة يسبح الله عزّ وجلّ بتلك اللغات كلها، يخلق الله من كلّ تسبيحة مَلكا يطير مع الملائكة إلى يوم القيامة.

“It was reported from Ali ibn Abi Talib (RA) that he said, in regards to Allah’s Statement “And they ask you about the Ruh”: He said: it is an Angel from amongst the Angels with 70,000 faces, and for each face, there are 70,000 tongues, and for each tongue, there are 70,000 languages in which it uses to praise Allah ‘aza wa jalla, and Allah creates from each praise an Angel that flies with the Angels till the day of Judgment.” (Tafsir Tabari)

I remembered I have heard this narration before from one of the lectures I attended when I was younger, and seriously, I also remembered having to joke about “rawaniya” with my colleagues back in the days, we say something like, “ma ran awon rawaniyah mi si e” meaning I’ll send my rawaniyah to you (in most cases, as a threat) or when we want to claim some form of high level of spirituality or knowledge, even back then, Jinns were what we knew to be “rawaniyah”.

Talking of experiences, “oro po ninu iwe kobo” I decided not even finish the narration from my Ustadh, and although, I haven’t seen much myself, but my dad has and Alhamdulilah, He had made me realize that sticking to the Sunnah, is the best way to guidance and spirituality, and seriously speaking, I do not care much for such stories…As a Muslim, the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW) is enough as a miracle, I don’t need some extraordinary miracle to make me believe that I am on the right path or my level of spirituality, because there are lots of tricksters around preying on the gullibility of man and his yearnings for extraordinary events to happen…Even in Christendom, there are people who claim spirituality and based it on personal experiences, saying they saw Jesus Christ or the Holy spirit telling them this and that or even performing miracles through them, is that what we want to turn Islam to?

dragnet:
When people won't learn from the right sources, they would be dazzled by anything and believe say na ponmo dey inside sardine.

It's wrong to think you are the only one learning from the right sources.
Moreover, Nobody is being dazed here.We aren't fools, so don't think you are talking to one.
Again, I quote AlBaqir's words

AlBaqir: As per so-called Sheu Jamiu Ami Olohun, whatever it is as per his accolades, Allah knows best. There used to be sheik in Ilorin. He understand ALL languages of the world yet he has no formal training anywhere. Once he got to any land, he simply drink their water and he will be able to communicate in their tongue. Aside that there lots of people who boast of hidden training while asleep etc. Am sorry brother, I simply don't fancy all that.

Muhammad (peace be on him and his progeny) is my guide and model. All these so-called sheiks are far away from the teachings, standards, and limits of the sharia. It is unfortunate that this society is plagued with laziness, poverty, illiteracy etc thereby fascinated with so-called 'karamat' (wonders) of anybody and that person will instantly be accepted as sheik or Sheiat. Just like anybody who can speak Arabic will automatically become an Alfa.
May Allah have mercy on us. Wa Salam alaykum.

www.nairaland.com/360269/sheikh-jamiu-ami-olohun-he/1

Assalamu aleikum Sino,

On point!!

sino:
I would quickly like to add this on the issue of Ruh...

Islam as a religion is not based on personal reasoning or innovative ideas; it is based on what was revealed to the best of mankind, practiced by the best generation of Muslims…

The Prophet (SAW) was reported to have said: “Verily the best among you (to follow) is my generation (the Messenger Muhammad (SAW) and his Companions (RA)), then those who follow, and then those who follow them…” (Saheeh Muslim, Book: the Virtues of the Sahaabah, chapter 52 hadeeth #2535)

Allah (SWT) states: “And whoso opposeth the messenger after the guidance (of Allah) hath been manifested unto him, and followeth other than the believer's way, We appoint for him that unto which he himself hath turned, and expose him unto hell a hapless journey's end!” (Qur’an 4:115)

So when we ask for you to bring evidences from the best of mankind, and the best of generations, we are not being rigid, we are being careful to follow the Prophet’s (SAW) instructions cos there is no other Guidance except that of Muhammad (SAW). You can twist and turn words, you can even come up with your own tafsir and the likes, but if no evidence still, you are on your own SIMPLE!

وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُمْ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا (
85)
“They will ask you about the Ruh, say the Ruh is from the command of my Lord, and what you have been given (the questioners and mankind in general) in knowledge is but little” (Qur’an 17:85)

The reason for the revelation of this verse is said to be as a result of some Jews asking the Prophet(SAW) about the Ruh, and thus the Ayah was revealed…

According to tafsir Tabari, there is a difference of opinion in the interpretation of Ruh in the above verse, the first interpretation is Jubril alayhi Salam and a narration to support this is as follows:

محمد بن عبد الأعلى، قال: ثنا محمد بن ثور، عن معمر، عن قتادة( وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ ) قال: هو جبرائيل،

Reported from Qatadah, “and they ask about the Ruh” he said it is Jubril.

Others are of the opinion that it is an Angel amongst the Angels amongst them was Ibn Abbas and Ali (RA) according to the narrations presented in the tafsir. The narration that is quite interesting, although not sure of its authenticity, is the following…

حدثني عليّ، قال: ثنا عبد الله بن صالح، قال: ثني أبو مروان يزيد بن سمرة صاحب قيسارية، عمن حدثه عن عليّ بن أبي طالب، أنه قال في قوله( وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوح ) قال: هو ملك من الملائكة له سبعون ألف وجه، لكل وجه منها سبعون ألف لسان، لكل لسان منها سبعون ألف لغة يسبح الله عزّ وجلّ بتلك اللغات كلها، يخلق الله من كلّ تسبيحة مَلكا يطير مع الملائكة إلى يوم القيامة.

“It was reported from Ali ibn Abi Talib (RA) that he said, in regards to Allah’s Statement “And they ask you about the Ruh”: He said: it is an Angel from amongst the Angels with 70,000 faces, and for each face, there are 70,000 tongues, and for each tongue, there are 70,000 languages in which it uses to praise Allah ‘aza wa jalla, and Allah creates from each praise an Angel that flies with the Angels till the day of Judgment.” (Tafsir Tabari)

I remembered I have heard this narration before from one of the lectures I attended when I was younger, and seriously, I also remembered having to joke about “rawaniya” with my colleagues back in the days, we say something like, “ma ran awon rawaniyah mi si e” meaning I’ll send my rawaniyah to you (in most cases, as a threat) or when we want to claim some form of high level of spirituality or knowledge, even back then, Jinns were what we knew to be “rawaniyah”.

Talking of experiences, “oro po ninu iwe kobo” I decided not even finish the narration from my Ustadh, and although, I haven’t seen much myself, but my dad has and Alhamdulilah, He had made me realize that sticking to the Sunnah, is the best way to guidance and spirituality, and seriously speaking, I do not care much for such stories…As a Muslim, the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW) is enough as a miracle, I don’t need some extraordinary miracle to make me believe that I am on the right path or my level of spirituality, because there are lots of tricksters around preying on the gullibility of man and his yearnings for extraordinary events to happen…Even in Christendom, there are people who claim spirituality and based it on personal experiences, saying they saw Jesus Christ or the Holy spirit telling them this and that or even performing miracles through them, is that what we want to turn Islam to?

Na'am

tbaba1234:
Assalamu aleikum Sino,

On point!!

Wa Alaykum Salam Bro.

lanrexlan:
It's wrong to think you are the only one learning from the right sources.
Moreover, Nobody is being dazed here.We aren't fools, so don't think you are talking to one.

I don't claim knowledge or it's monopoly. When what's been stated is not in line with the Quran or sunnah then it doesn't appeal to me as knowledge so its stricken out.

dragnet:

I don't claim knowledge or it's monopoly. When what's been stated is not in line with the Quran or sunnah then it doesn't appeal to me as knowledge so its stricken out.

I do not understand how this is difficult to understand.

Let me just shut up cos if I type now, I may offend some people with my post .

Lanrexlan none of us stated that he invokes yasin for ruhaniyah and it drinks blood.
If you did not comprehend go back and read again.


Yes i can prove my stories that jinn can.

1. Is the life of prophet sulayman, this can be used to explain jinn doing operation on a sick man, as we know they have capabilities.

2.
Let me take another of the story

Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital! Suratul jinn. (You can read the tafsir of the verse)

Empire story of opening doors sounds when saying dua or reciting salat.
Now we know that jinn listen to Quran when its being recited. Now a jinn/jinns could sit in your company when you recite, and make the opening door sound.

Now I will continue only if you can also use a Quran verse or hadith, just one to explain Ruhaniyah doing that specifically. (Bring new methodology if old one isn't sufficient)

lanrexlan:
Let me just shut up cos if I type now, I may offend some people with my post .

Offend who?

Its your belief defend it.

Sino, exactly.
I couldn't agree more.
That verse already admonish us about ruh. Our knowledge about ruh is limited so I can safely say most of this are conjectures.
Better to leave what's in doubt to what is not in doubt.

kazlaw2000:

Not hearing opening door sounds. I have better wishes. For example, I sincerely wish to dream of the holy Prophet (SAW).

Ma sha Allah! Ma sha Allah!! Ma sha Allah!!!
Then uphold maximally the virtues (moral characters) of Muhammad described in the Qur'an for that's the real sunnah not all these make ups.

Then, increase your Salawat ala Muhammad wa ahli Muhammad. You will not only see him, you will be in his company.

kazlaw2000:

I also want to be shown paradise.

Then let's do the works of paradise.

kazlaw2000:

I dont want to be working myself out, struggling here and there for meagre sustainance before I would eat.

I humbly recommend that you add this dua (of Imam Jafar sadiq for Rizq) to your du'a, to be recited after Salat Ishai:
O Allah, verily I do not know wherefrom I will get my sustenance? Indeed to look for it I lay myself open to possible risks which threaten my heart. I go round in its search to (many) cities. There I (wander) as its seeker. Truly, I do not know whether it is in the plain, or on the mountain, or in the earth, or in the sky, or under the earth or in the sea. From where and through whom it will reach me? At all events, I know, its system (of production and distribution) is in Your power (because) You are, as creator, know all about its (availability, quantity and quality). Through Your grace and mercy it is distributed. O my sustainer give me abundant sustenance, make easy for me its seeking, let its source be near me and let me not in vain run after the sustenance You have not selected for me, because You do not want to punish me
whereas I am always in need of Your mercy. Give generously Your superabundant bounties to Your servant, (because) verily You are the owner of limitless gifts.

The Arabic is attached below.

Also, "Yaa Ghanniy" 1060times after Maghrib will open doors of Allah's rizq in sha Allah.

kazlaw2000:

I also wish for my enemies to be subdued, both Jinns and Mankind.

In addition to Ayat al-Qur'siyy, the Yasin, et al, I humbly recommend the Du'a sabaasab. Here's the excerpt from the Du'a:
I have conquered the troops (of enemies) with the power Of Allah; I put terror in their hearts, By the support of Allah. I created fear in the pit of their Stomachs, in the name of Allah’s honour.

They have been thrown into Chaos by me with the authority Of Allah.

They have been torn to pieces By me with the strength of Allah.

They have been destroyed and Ruined by me with the omnipotence of Allah. I have taken away their power Of hearing and seeing; and destroyed The strength of their Limbs, and their confidence, With the superior unyielding Persevering and resolute power Of Allah.

They have been driven away By me with the help of Divine Strategy of Allah, the High, The Great, and the All-powerful. They have been conquered, Worn down, disgraced, together With their soldiers,
helpers, and Well-wishers by me with the Unfaltering aid, true and evident Help of Allah.

They are now overwhelmed, Over-awed, Frightened, Frustrated Humiliated, Over-powered, Broken down Bound in chains, Out of breath, Tamed, Subdued.

O Allah keep them away From us by Thy wisdom and Might, power and authority; Disunited, Mutilated, Out of breath, Tamed, Subdued, Distressed, Frightened, Humbled, Wandering, Forsaken, Overpowered Bewildered, Disappointed, Obscured, Gone astray while taking flight, Confused in their intentions, Perplexedin their hideouts, Tied up to their destruction, Engrossed in their physical Pleasures, With wounded bodies, Deteriorated minds, Their expectations cut off, Their arms and ammunition Unusable, Disillusioned in their intentions, Exposed to disgrace in their Escape, Thrown on the ground upon Their faces, Confused in their thoughts, Their hearts sealed off, Their hearts sealed off Their moratorium put aside, Their perception dimmed, Tied up to sluggishness, Addicted to sensuous pleasures And (restricted) to their limited Understanding, Their help exposed to
calamities, And their soldiers pushed back.

O Allah, keep safe from their Plan of action, Give help to ward off their Mischief, O Allah, apprehend them At once, be hard on Them and bring loss upon them As a punishment; Denied by everybody, thrown To the ground, Choked in breathing, Spell-bound in enjoyment, Thrown with the face on the
Ground, suffocated Strangled in their own ropes and strings.

kazlaw2000:

I want Allaah to be responding to my calls to him immediately without delay.

Then, request from Him using His beloved (Muhammad) as wasila.

kazlaw2000:

Lastly i want to be Waliyyullah.

Keep His dos and don'ts. Attach yourself to Him with lots of ibaadat. Increase your love for Muhammad, his household, righteous sahaba and friends of Allah.

kazlaw2000:

I have heard the tested way to achieve this Maqama (stage) is by lots and lots of dhikr. Not in their tens and hundreds like lazy Salafists but in their thousands and millions.

@bold, Ma sha Allah. Lotsssssssssss of them.
@Empiree, idi nta mi o

kazlaw2000:

The problem was that @empiree was giving out too much too quickly, inexperienced folks got overwhelmed like prophet Musa (as) when he was being taught higher realities by prophet Khidr.

I love this conclusion akhi. May Allah increase you in knowledge and wisdom.

AlBaqir:
^@Sissie, Just as maclatunji once became "Uche", e be like say una don become "eagle eye mistress" just kidding.

Honestly I feel you, and at the same time kazlaw2000 and Empiree are not opening "door" for shir'k act as it want to appear to you.

As per kazlaw2000's statement, he was actually talking about manifestation of prayers. Naturally, when your du'a is answered, you see and experience its manifestations, physically, mentally or spiritually. Then you become elated and motivated to do more.

If however, its an act of ibaadat (and not personal du'as for requests and all that), this is solely for Allah and our ultimate should be Him and Him alone not "Ruhaniyyah", "Jinni" or whatever.

Whichever way it is, any signs we experience should not divert our attention from the Lord of those signs. If we are focused, we will experience more. I remember what tbaba1234 said once, that sometimes manifestations of our ibaadat (or Imaan) might come in form of "sakina" into our heart whereby, you feel at peace in whatever condition you may find yourself. Personally this is what I love most in terms of spiritual experience.

Then those that are acquainted with the "Ruhaniyyah", "Jinni", et al, please always do as Maryam (as) by seeking Allah's refuge from whatever creature that appear. If it is just a distraction from your ultimate goal which is Allah, He will protect you. And if truly its from Allah, He will guide you.

Please folks take am easy.

I wasn't even thinking shirk, after all its not like empires posted they request this to be done from them, its not like they said they pray to ruhaniyyah, so no i was not thinking shirk.
I was more bothered about them saying its ruhaniyah and not jinn, when there is a possibility. Or equating spirituality to things like this.

The ram story was pointing out the flaws in the story. . even the yasin gripping someones daughter and leading to her death for not doing remedy was highly flawed.

@bolded exactly. You don't know who is reading and how all this is interpreted.
Before someone assumes he has gained spirituality by hearing window sounds. Lots of problems.

lanrexlan:
Let me just shut up cos if I type now, I may offend some people with my post .

Yea, right. Let's just leave. "Following Quran and Sunnah", that's what i kept hearing when i was in salafism. The brothers were just refuting one another. Creating nuisance on internet. Thats why I left them. Sign of that i just hear now.

The sister continues making statement i found offensive. I dont know where she got "ruh grab his leg", "Yasin is invoked to call Ruhaniyah or Jinn". Rubbbish. Thats deviation itself. Yasin is the word Allah. Full stop. I never heard of using Yasin to call on Jinn etc. Well, I guess we all can not always agree. I cant convince them. And if the sister has stories to tell as she rightly said, no problem. This is "Jinn Stories" section anyways.

Just disappointed that these brothers fulfill what Sheik Imran has been saying for years about salafis. I was my self salafi for 4yrs. You see how they so unyielding, thinking they are the only folks know better. As far as I am concern, I dont communicate with Jinn or Ruhaniyah, Nor do I believe this Ruhaniyah is Jinn even though their seem to be striking resemblance. Unless and until they can bring me convincing evidence and not just reading me books about what they know of Jinn, the rest is just guess work. I, personally, do within my capacity in terms of ibadaat. I dont narrate my experience, rather talking about someone else. I dont know why these folks keep misunderstanding the whole thing.

Well, this is internet, "Jinn Stories" thread is opened, he said we should tell whatever we know of it and I did my part doesnt mean I communicate with unseen creature. I dont. Very simple. Wallahi liazim, these brothers act too low for me. Sheiks Imran and Adam Al-ilory are right.

And yes, I could be wrong for putting out too many at a time, but at least you got it right. That show their level of thinking. God determines who is on the right path. They shouldnt be telling me that. I have heard enough of salafism. Even they pretend, they dont want to call themselves by that. The fact that they do not recognize Yasin, first, being Allah's word, second, its importance and third, it many benefits, then they need to be quiet.

Someone already declared it daef or fabricated. And someone said the man invokes Yasin to call on Jinn, smh. Thats like mockery of the word of Allah. Why would she say that?. Is that the purpose here?. I dont get these people. They act like they know it all. The man himself never for once glorify "Ruhanniyah". As far as I am concern, these brothers are just reading books and guessing.

As for the hospital thing, I was saying mainstream muslims, in this kind of situation, would have said to take the patient to "St' so so so hospital" i:e non muslim to take care of it yet, screaming when a muslim solve the problem by Allah's grace. In non muslim hospitals, doctors too, perfumes "miracles" but they have no problem with that. All might and power belongs to Him and Him alone. Neither the man nor me nor anyone around him claimed Ruhaniyah has all the power. Rubbish

Enough said now. They can keep guessing all they want. There is ocean of knowledge. ...a lot we just dont know.

Sissie:


Offend who?

Its your belief defend it.

Seriously sister Sissie, if I type now By Allah, you and some people here may hate lanrexlan forever.Most folks on this thread are folks I respect a lot, and I won't want different opinions to tear us apart.

It's not about it's your belief, just forget it and close the chapter.

Sissie:
Lanrexlan none of us stated that he invokes yasin for ruhaniyah and it drinks blood.
If you did not comprehend go back and read again.


Yes i can prove my stories that jinn can.

1. Is the life of prophet sulayman, this can be used to explain jinn doing operation on a sick man, as we know they have capabilities.

2.
Let me take another of the story

Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital! Suratul jinn. (You can read the tafsir of the verse)

Empire story of opening doors sounds when saying dua or reciting salat.
Now we know that jinn listen to Quran when its being recited. Now a jinn/jinns could sit in your company when you recite, and make the opening door sound.

Now I will continue only if you can also use a Quran verse or hadith, just one to explain Ruhaniyah doing that specifically. (Bring new methodology if old one isn't sufficient)

@bold, first Jinni doesn't need to open any door before they enter likewise "Ruh" or "Angel". These creatures are not matters to be hinder by materials.
Second, Sura Jinn: 1,^ cannot be used for justification that Jinn listen to our recitation of the Qur'an. The surah was revealed two years before Hijrah when the holy Prophet (peace be on him and his household) went for an evangelism in Taif. The people of Taif not only maltreated him and his followers but rejected Islamic message. It was on his return journey back that Allah showed him a vision, and that brought about:
"Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital!
~Tafsir Tabari, Imam Suyuti's Dur manthur, et al.

Those Jinn accepted Islam and follow the codes of Islam.

Furthermore, Muhammad (peace be on him and his household) was sent to the whole world - that include the Jinn's world. After the revelation of sura Jinn, the holy Prophet (peace be on him and his household) addressed them (the company of Jinn). As he was doing tabligh with human so was he with the Jinn. There are various hadith which proved many Jinn used to attend his sermons.

Please do not insinuate that whenever we are reading Qur'an, Jinn used to listen. They have what we have as in Qur'an and guidance of Muhammad (peace be on him and his household).

There are sahih traditions in al-Kafi which revealed that during battles of Islam, the Jinn used to be part of "the unseen forces" Qur'an talks about severally that helped the holy Prophet.

Salam.

lanrexlan:
Seriously sister Sissie, if I type now By Allah, you and some people here may hate lanrexlan forever.Most folks on this thread are folks I respect a lot, and I won't want different opinions to tear us apart.

It's not about it's your belief, just forget it and close the chapter.

May hate you forever? Hilarious. And I was the one accused of taking things personal

Sissie:


May hate you forever? Hilarious. And I was the one accused of taking things personal

Yes, you may cos I may explode like a time bomb .Some words are vexing me seriously.The thing is getting personal and I don't want to reply them again.

lanrexlan:

Ibn Abid Dunyaa(Rahimatullah Alaih) said 'The knowledge of the Holy Qu'ran and that which can be derived out of it are vast as a boundless ocean'.

Ma sha Allah brother. I love this. And I bet the bukharis, the muslims, the al-Kafis, the Bihar al-Anwars can never document everything from the boundless ocean of the Qur'an. We need to be ahlul Qur'an and with the guidance of Allah, we will derive knowledge, more than what is documented, from the Qur'an.

If only we have this at the back of our mind and some people don't feel only their ideology have the knowledge of the Qur'an, then there won't be argument all the time.

Sometimes when I wonder about the arguments of Ulamas, I will jokingly say, a time will come when Scholar X will accuse scholar Y of not Coughing properly according to the "Sunnah"

lanrexlan:

AlBaqir sum it up in this beautiful post, may Allah bless the brother more than he yearned for(Amin).

Allahuma Amin. And you too my brother.

@Empiree if you can post stories others can read. you not me said the man got stuck and the alfa said owon ruhaniyah ni. They are the ones responsible. Grabbing leg isnt literal here.
2. You posted after reading yasin it acts up. Not me and you went further to give 2 examples one who's daughter died, the other who's daughter fell ill.
3. Same you complained earlier on that one of the problems was branding people, sufi, shia. Not once have I called you sufi but you are branding others salafi.
4. Same you complained about people getting personal and you posted you find offensive.


You posted stories, can't defend them, and complaining people are rigid and unyielding. LOL.

Yes i am unyielding and I take responsibility for that. Are you yielding? If you are why haven't you yielded with us..

AlBaqir:


@bold, first Jinni doesn't need to open any door before they enter likewise "Ruh" or "Angel". These creatures are not matters to be hinder by materials.
Second, Sura Jinn: 1,^ cannot be used for justification that Jinn listen to our recitation of the Qur'an. The surah was revealed two years before Hijrah when the holy Prophet (peace be on him and his household) went for an evangelism in Taif. The people of Taif not only maltreated him and his followers but rejected Islamic message. It was on his return journey back that Allah showed him a vision, and that brought about:
"Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital!
~Tafsir Tabari, Imam Suyuti's Dur manthur, et al.

Those Jinn accepted Islam and follow the codes of Islam.

Furthermore, Muhammad (peace be on him and his household) was sent to the whole world - that include the Jinn's world. After the revelation of sura Jinn, the holy Prophet (peace be on him and his household) addressed them (the company of Jinn). As he was doing tabligh with human so was he with the Jinn. There are various hadith which proved many Jinn used to attend his sermons.

Please do not insinuate that whenever we are reading Qur'an, Jinn used to listen. They have what we have as in Qur'an and guidance of Muhammad (peace be on him and his household).

There are sahih traditions in al-Kafi which revealed that during battles of Islam, the Jinn used to be part of "the unseen forces" Qur'an talks about severally that helped the holy Prophet.

Salam.

Let me explain what I meant..

Prophet was sent to them too. It doesn't mean they don't listen to Quran recitation. Am not saying they listen to all Quran recitation.
Let me give you an exorcism example.
Sometimes during exorcism of jinn from human when the raqee is reciting the Quran, sometimes the (human) struggle and later when the recitation continues stay calm and listen and leave if they dont hear the quran? sometimes they also recite the Quran in the case of Muslim jinn.

Yes jinns attended sermon.

Why is it said to recite baqarah in ones house for protection as it chases away the evil of jinn, if they could not hear you?

Did you notice the question marks. That is me asking you questions so I can understand your perspective.

Assalamu aleikum,

Lanrexlan, a little advice and it is for me too, when talking about islam, don't make it personal or get angry to the extent that you want to say things that will make people dislike you. Once you start getting angry, something is wrong.

Yes, the Quran is an ocean and we can never know all about it in our lifetime but it has provided knowledge that we should apply the knowledge available and not ignore.

Empiree, we share the kalima so you are like my blood brother. I know sufi and all other muslim scholars emphasise that we follow Quran an Sunnah. I do not know how that makes people salafi.

As for your assumptions.

For the record, I am not salafi. I do not ascribe any tag to my self. I rarely listen to scholars that tag themselves salafi or any sect. I am influenced by all 4 madhabs.

I did not think or say, you are commiting shirk or following jinn.

I have not questioned your aqeedah or attacked you in any way like you did to me.

All I have asked is bring forth evidence, if you are truthful.

The Quran/sunnah are not just 'paper' evidence as you and lanrexlan have asserted. It is the guideline for our lives so we refer back to it on issues.

I do not go about refuting people, I do not even like debating with muslims unless I find something problematic.

It should not be about arguing but learning. I am open to learning.

Personal attacks take away from that.

Jazaakallahu khairaa bro alBaqir for your recommendations. I will try my best even as I pray for Allaah's assistance.

@tbaba. I feel really pleased with ur last post and i was one of those who gave you likes. You werent for the kill afterall. Barakallahu. Aamiin

Tbaba1234: Assalamu aleikum,
Lanrexlan, a little advice and it is for me too, when talking about islam, don't make it personal or get angry to the extent that you want to say things that will make people dislike you. Once you start getting angry, something is wrong.

Though it's not about the Jinn stuff I took personal, it's some words of folks here.Concerning the Jinn stuffs, me don gboju since.

Thanks for the advice though, Jazakumullah Khairan.
Walaikum Salam Waramatulah Wabarakatuh

tbaba1234:
Assalamu aleikum,

Lanrexlan, a little advice and it is for me too, when talking about islam, don't make it personal or get angry to the extent that you want to say things that will make people dislike you. Once you start getting angry, something is wrong.

Yes, the Quran is an ocean and we can never know all about it in our lifetime but it has provided knowledge that we should apply the knowledge available and not ignore.

Empiree, we share the kalima so you are like my blood brother. I know sufi and all other muslim scholars emphasise that we follow Quran an Sunnah. I do not know how that makes people salafi.

As for your assumptions.

For the record, I am not salafi. I do not ascribe any tag to my self. I rarely listen to scholars that tag themselves salafi or any sect. I am influenced by all 4 madhabs.

I did not think or say, you are commiting shirk or following jinn.

I have not questioned your aqeedah or attacked you in any way like you did to me.

All I have asked is bring forth evidence, if you are truthful.

The Quran/sunnah are not just 'paper' evidence as you and lanrexlan have asserted. It is the guideline for our lives so we refer back to it on issues.

I do not go about refuting people, I do not even like debating with muslims unless I find something problematic.

It should not be about arguing but learning. I am open to learning.

Personal attacks take away from that.

Ma Sha Allah, let me just add these two quotes from these great Scholars...

Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali narrated:
It was related that a man said to Haatim al Asam: “You are a non-Arab who cannot speak fluently, but no one has debated you except that you silenced him, so how do you defeat your opponents?” He said: “With three: I am pleased when my opponent is correct, I am sad when he is incorrect, and I preserve my tongue from saying anything that offends him.” Imaam Ahmad stated: “What a wise man he is.”
[“Al-Farq bayn al-Nasiha wa’l-Ta’yir”].

Imam Shafi’I was reported to have said:
Never do I debate a man with a desire to hear him err in his speech, or to expose the flaws in his argument, and thus vanquish him. Whenever I face an opponent in debate I silently supplicate, ‘O Lord, help him so that truth may manifest itself in his heart and on his tongue. If it be that the truth is on my side, may he follow me; and if the truth be on his side, may I follow him.

May Allah guide us all ameen,

dragnet:
prove it.

I don't have time for that. We are all here for different reasons. Just read the posts and say whatever you like but never forget that the limit of your knowledge is another person's starting point.

If you disagree with any of his posts, just post your opinion according to your understanding and leave him to his fate. May Allah forgive us all.

Sissie:



Why is it said to recite baqarah in ones house for protection as it chases away the evil of jinn, if they could not hear you?

Did you notice the question marks. That is me asking you questions so I can understand your perspective.

Recitation is the 'cause' and the afermath, which is absolute protection is the 'effect' @underline.

@bold, not only evil Jinn but also evil among human and animal. My mum's parlor became a forbidden ground for 'evils among our tenants' to even step into not to mention of sitting down there. She has 'painted' our apartment with Ayat al-Qur'siyy. It got to the extent that one of them enter forcefully (with evil intention) and begin to reveal her (their) mission. ("Oun ka ni", lanrexlan pls translate ).

First, its not about whether this creatures 'understand' the Arabic language. Its not necessarily about the 'hears' but about the spiritual effect. Infact, you can decided to recite Qur'an silently that nobody other than yourself hears. The effect of Qur'an manifest into divine light that envelope darkness.
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Sissie:


Empire ...
Now I will continue only if you can also use a Quran verse or hadith, just one to explain Ruhaniyah doing that specifically. (Bring new methodology if old one isn't sufficient)

If Empiree sheik (I don't know him personally) truly uphold Allah's Shariat (dos and don'ts), I am convinced the "Ruhaniyah" are truly from "Ruhullah" and never Jinn. Why? Qur'an, the last verse of sura al-Mujadillah:

"You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people). For such He has written Faith in their hearts, [size=25pt]and strengthened them with Ruh from Himself[/size]. And We will admit them to Gardens (Paradise) under which rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Verily, it is the Party of Allah that will be the successful."

I expect Empiree's sheik to sought Allah's refuge at first experience of this "Ruhaniyah", if it is a good Jinn who simply want to help or get acquainted, it will introduce itself. If the its "Ruh" from Allah, it will equally introduce itself and its purpose (to strengthen him, according to the verse above). Otherwise, whatever form it is, it will disappear.
NB: Am not talking on "Yasin grab leg" et al

Unless and unless Empiree and his sheik are fooling themselves dwelling in sins, seeking pleasurable 'karamat' with adhkars et al.

That's my submission.

Jamo90:

I don't have time for that. We are all here for different reasons. Just read the posts and say whatever you like but never forget that the limit of your knowledge is another person's starting point.

If you disagree with any of his posts, just post your opinion according to your understanding and leave him to his fate. May Allah forgive us all.

You made a statement which I highlighted and all I requested was your proof. So what's with all the 'limit of your knowledge' talk?
My concern was not with the contents or opinion of anybody's post. Even in academic quarters, you don't just make absolute statements without due referencing or proof beyond limits.



I wonder why people get all "don't think you know it all", "you claiming you have all the knowledge" bla bla bla, when you ask them for evidences or proofs for their statements.
Nobody's great grandfather can lay claim to Islaam so if you want to ascribe anything to Islaam then make sure you can prove it within the boundary of the shariah else just don't attach it to islaam.

tbaba1234. I hear you