MansaMoussa:
Why do we act and speak as if Democracy solves all the Problems of a Country? What do we really want as People? An all round improvement in Standard of Living or just an Avenue to bicker? The Chinese have transcended beyond US Democracy to mould a Unique system of Govt that suits her people and has successfully used this model to move from a 3rd world Country to an Advanced Country!!!

A Country's Military is her 4th Tier of Govt and the ultimate Protector of the State (not Regime please)! In a Situation where the Regime turns on its people, who comes to their Rescue? (Romania under Ceausescu, Egypt under Mubarak/Morsi, etc) indeed this role has been abused severally and lost its appeal over the years, it is still a viable option for Liberation of the Citizenry, if not, they will resolve to take Arms against the Regime themselves and Chaos will prevail (eg Libya, Yemen, Syria etc)

So YES! Massive Corruption and Govt Apathy towards her Citizen justifies an Intervention! Afterall, Foreign Govts today are planning to occupy our territory on the premise that our govt cannot protect its people, how much more the Army whose statutory role it is to protect the State and all within it!

So you support a military coup in Nigeria today?

HNosegbe:


I need examples for the part in bold.

Zimbabwe, Burkina faso, e.t.c

Fortifive:
This thread looks like Nairaland of 2007 when commentators were sane and talked with maturity.

Lol...nice observation

I guess its because oga seun is the OP and everybody is afraid of 10yrs banning...even the notorious trolls are off duty

49cents:


LIKE ALL BUHARIST...........VIOLENCE IS YOUR WAY

Did i threaten anybdy before you quote me who is luking for violence btw me and you..............Imbecil*

So why did he apply for extradition only after his kidnap attempt failed?

Believe me, even I would have 'looked the other way' if he had done
The right thing by applying first, was denied and then attempted the kidnap.
The point is that the choices a man eventually makes are a direct reflection
Of the way his mind works. This man's mind works in reverse so he is not forward
Thinking else why is an unrepentant coupist hell bent on enjoying democracy?

dannjo:




Gentleman I will advise u to carryout extensive research on nigeria-britain relationship during Buhari regime...the britain hated him becos he refuse to dance to their music due to his economic method which involve trade by barter(crude oil for goods from other countries) General Buhari used to revive the economic, thereby affecting d interest of Britain...the Britain didn't want to extradite Dikko becos he was seriously hitting on d govt from UK, so the only way was to bring him back thru any means..
P.S
in world politics states like Britain and U.S.A wud have done d same thing and other states will look d other way, dat a fact...

emiye:
Zimbabwe, Burkina faso, e.t.c

Stop trying to be clever by half by comparing Nigeria with Zimbabwe and Burkina Faso. Why not mention Senegal? Namibia? Botswana? Haven't they progressed as democracies too?

You justify the removal of Shagari due to corruption. Does that also apply to the state governors? How many state governors were corrupt? Jakande? Mbakwe? Ajasin? Onabanjo? Aku? Okilo? How many of these governors were corrupt? Why were they also kicked out?

notoriousbabe:
that's my man. I just dey gbadun you,help me deal with dem well well

badt babe, kikikiki

Kolade354:
Did i threaten anybdy before you quote me who is luking for violence btw me and you..............Imbecil*

Buhari spoke of the Dog and the baboon.....u spoke of imbevilty....when all you can chant as a robot is Sai Buhar......you are no better than the Jonathanian

quid:

That is what I have been saying. How Yoruba resort to violence when they lose.out politically

Thank God for the internet , we now know that the APC Yorubas are planning a coup

This people will beg for mercy when we react violently

Any coup will be violently resisted.

BlackTechnology:


Thank God for the internet , we now know that the APC Yorubas are planning a coup

This people will beg for mercy when we react violently

Any coup will be violently resisted.

Intimidate Nigerians with boko haram and front buhari as solution.

When that fails then plot a coup

spankyflex:
buhari n seun should not be used in the same sentence

I beg to differ. Seun runs NL much like Buhari ran Nigeria in the 80's....their ideologies are quite similar

Hear our illiterate General acceptance speech at teslim balogun

Phalo kwontenstant flease i want all of youa to kwofrate with me so we can move naigeria poward. If you ilate me as feresident of naigeria my gwovemant will ensurea zat kwarraption will be a zin of za fast.

Afc frogressive.

I don die. Tinubu na God go mend you

A truly remarkable fellow!...

Introduction to Buhari APC's Fresidential Crrrrrandidate

Question: How will you grow Nigeria's economy?
"I will stabilise the WORLD OIL MARKET, because that is quicker to do than agriculture etc"
- Buhari (Channels TV)

Question: How will you secure the Nigerian economy from oil price fluctuations?
Buhari: "I will use the AIR FORCE, NAVY and ARMY"
- Buhari (ThisDay)

Question: Sir, can you say "up APC?"
Buhari: "OFF AFEECEE! OFF AFEECEE!! OFF AFEECEE!!!"
- Buhari (In the near future)

HNosegbe:


So you support a military coup in Nigeria today?

No Sir! Because the instability that would ensue from such coup would worsen the situation in the NE (the Mali situation)! Secondly, We lack enough Military Cohesion to sustain a violent Regime change today! Thirdly, with worsening Economic situation for the country, Western Sanctions would be disastrous for us! Fourthly, the Political Landscape appears Matured enough to effect a peaceful change(if PDP and APC pull this off, they'll go into history as setting the foundations of a Democratic Nigeria)!
So no Sir! I wouldn't support a Coup in Nigeria today, but would probably have supported one in the 1960s, 70s and 80s because I saw Egypt, Brazil, Argentina, Libya, etc move forward under military regimes then!

MansaMoussa:
Why do we act and speak as if Democracy solves all the Problems of a Country? What do we really want as People? An all round improvement in Standard of Living or just an Avenue to bicker? The Chinese have transcended beyond US Democracy to mould a Unique system of Govt that suits her people and has successfully used this model to move from a 3rd world Country to an Advanced Country!!!

A Country's Military is her 4th Tier of Govt and the ultimate Protector of the State (not Regime please)! In a Situation where the Regime turns on its people, who comes to their Rescue? (Romania under Ceausescu, Egypt under Mubarak/Morsi, etc) indeed this role has been abused severally and lost its appeal over the years, it is still a viable option for Liberation of the Citizenry, if not, they will resolve to take Arms against the Regime themselves and Chaos will prevail (eg Libya, Yemen, Syria etc)

So YES! Massive Corruption and Govt Apathy towards her Citizen justifies an Intervention! Afterall, Foreign Govts today are planning to occupy our territory on the premise that our govt cannot protect its people, how much more the Army whose statutory role it is to protect the State and all within it!

i love this. Democracy isnt prefect and somtyms real positive CHANGE could mean ousting democracy. Open mindedly speaking.
while the use of armed force isnt encouraged in any form history has shown that it might be necessary sometyms n it doesnt not always have a negative consequence. besides nothing stops Nigeria from forming her own unique system of government especiallt our unique n peculiar ethno-religious diversity and challenges especially tribalism dat has sunk deep into our mentality.

Lakeshizu:

When General Muhammadu Buhari came to power, there was wide corruption in the Second Republic. A decree was passed that nobody take out or bring in foreign currency into the country. Offenders are liable to 10years in Jail. This decree was to curb money laundering by politicians and corrupt businessmen.
sourxe barcanista

FELA KUTI
Fela had performed abroad, he was paid in foreign currency in cash and had it on him on his return to Lagos. He was subsequently arrested for breaking the law and was prosecuted, found guilty and jailed.

PLEA:
There was a plea by human right groups to Head of State Buhari to "pardon" Fela, he refused because he believe that the law be served to the letter.

THE OFFENSE, GMB AND FELA:
First, there was an existing law/decree.

Secondly, Fela bringing in cash means it contradicts the law/decree, however, the money is from hard work.
Morally, he's justified! Legally, he is not.

Buhari had refused to grant pardon, because the law was broken. If he grants pardon, some section of politicians will accuse him of preferential treatment. He didn't because he believes in absolute discipline.
By law, he is justified. Morally, he is not, considering that it was Fela's sweat(my opinion). The law does not work with emotion unfortunately.

MY OPINION:
GMB should have pardoned Fela. The law should have made for exception. Buhari should have tampered justice with mercy

You answered only one question without no prove to back it up,

HNosegbe:


Stop trying to be clever by half by comparing Nigeria with Zimbabwe and Burkina Faso. Why not mention Senegal? Namibia? Botswana? Haven't they progressed as democracies too?

You justify the removal of Shagari due to corruption. Does that also apply to the state governors? How many state governors were corrupt? Jakande? Mbakwe? Ajasin? Onabanjo? Aku? Okilo? How many of these governors were corrupt? Why were they also kicked out?

Dont miscontrue me, what i meant is there is no guarantee that sustained democracy would have helped the Nigerian state.

I took a cursory study of african states, there are 53+ of them, and i discovered that most of the head of the democracies of those period became dictatorial as time progresses and with crude might tried to convert the country to One party state, using the other arms of government like the legislature and judiciary. The 1983 elections was worse off and a greater disaster than the 1979 elections, and UPN Ajasin was rigged off in 1983 for NPN Omoboriowo, Bola Ige of UPN was rigged off for NPN Olunloyo, ....., NPN was drowning UPN , and that Shagari government with majority in the house would most likely have manipulated the constitution to remove term limits before the 1987 elections, that was the trend of that era. Even OBJ tried to achieve term elongation.

I am sorry to mentioned only two cases in Africa, there are close to 20 something cases in Africa.

HNosegbe:


Stop trying to be clever by half by comparing Nigeria with Zimbabwe and Burkina Faso. Why not mention Senegal? Namibia? Botswana? Haven't they progressed as democracies too?

You justify the removal of Shagari due to corruption. Does that also apply to the state governors? How many state governors were corrupt? Jakande? Mbakwe? Ajasin? Onabanjo? Aku? Okilo? How many of these governors were corrupt? Why were they also kicked out?

can't make any sense outta ur continous stance on ds topic. Point to me any part on ds earth both past n present where a military head of state retains d services of democratic state governors.

menesheh:
Hear our illiterate General acceptance speech at teslim balogun

Phalo kwontenstant flease i want all of youa to kwofrate with me so we can move naigeria poward. If you ilate me as feresident of naigeria my gwovemant will ensurea zat kwarraption will be a zin of za fast.

Afc frogressive.

I don die. Tinubu na God go mend you

Shey na Buhari or Hitler b dat?

Bullshit democracy that is full of corruption.
I will rather go for coup/military Govt. that is willing to curb corruption, ensure equity and provide succur to the poor than a useless democracy that only promote corruption and pauperize it citizen.

Seun:

You folks keep mentioning this jubilation. Does it justify the termination of democracy? Didn't people also jubilate when Buhari was overthrown?

The concept of "democracy" is so soo overhyped, like its the most perfect human invention ever. The current so called democracy being run by PDP is more of an autocracy.

It was widely acclaimed that the then civilian government of shagari was so bleeped up, that it has been likened to what is presently happening under GEJ.

There are some times life per chance bestows strict, stingy and highly disciplined parents on some children, and more than 90% of the time those kids eventually grow up to be responsible and successful members of the society (am talking metaphorically here), even though those kids might hate their parents while growing up.

Corruption is a cancer than must be removed in anyway possible so that the whole body won't suffer. Whether by chemotheraphy or by surgical removal, both methods are pleasant but they are effective.

peckhamboi:
Seun, why are you bringing this irrelevant issue up at this time.

The coup happened over 30 years ago and I remember vividly there were wild jubiliation all over the country after the coup.

I personally was happy that there was a coup at that point in time because the level of looting was the same as Jonathan's administration.

Nigerians now know the enemies of democracy, APC and their supporters are one. we know, God will fish all of u out

berrystunn:


You answered only one question without no prove to back it up,

Beasts of No Nation: Beast of No Nation is the first song Fela wrote in 1986, for buhari after he was liberated from prison
Otherwise, what name can one give a world with: police brutality, army oppression, courts without justice, magistrates who

are supposed to uphold the law, obviously seen bending the law to please some special interest. As further proof of the

craze world, he sings about the judge who sent him to jail for five years on a trumped up charge, only for the same judge

to visit Fela in a prison hospital two years after. The judge apologized, claiming he was under pressure from the

government to convict. This could only happen in a Craze World, Fela reasons.

quid:

Intimidate Nigerians with boko haram and front buhari as solution.

When that fails then plot a coup

This year

US prediction will come to past

How can SW APC members be praising a treasonable offence called COUP

SE must unite with the SS to thwart any SW inspired coup

emiye:


Dont miscontrue me, what i meant is there is no guarantee that sustained democracy would have helped the Nigerian state.

I took a cursory study of african states, there are 53+ of them, and i discovered that most of the head of the democracies of those period became dictatorial as time progresses and with crude might tried to convert the country to One party state, using the other arms of government like the legislature and judiciary. The 1983 elections was worse off and a greater disaster than the 1979 elections, and UPN Ajasin was rigged off in 1983 for NPN Omoboriowo, Bola Ige of UPN was rigged off for NPN Olunloyo, ....., NPN was drowning UPN , and that Shagari government with majority in the house would most likely have manipulated the constitution to remove term limits before the 1987 elections, that was the trend of that era. Even OBJ tried to achieve term elongation.

I am sorry to mentioned only two cases in Africa, there are close to 20 something cases in Africa.

It takes patience to whip up the perfect democracy. When you ensure that the masses are the ultimate deciders of their fate and destiny, democratic institutions are reenforced over and over again. That's the secret behind the success of western style democracy. They didn't always have it rosy but the electorate remained the ultimate decider. Buhari stole that from us with with his coup in '83. He set us several steps backwards. He should apologise.

BlackTechnology:


Thank God you SW are revealing to the world you guys secret plan to seize power through a coup d'etat

We the people of SS SE and MB will crush that coup and wipe out the coup plotters their families and punish their ethnic groups.

Mark my words.

Any coup against GEJ will be violently resisted.

This country will cease to exist

Just made an Academic analysis Bruh! Nothing Personal!

MansaMoussa:


No Sir! Because the instability that would ensue from such coup would worsen the situation in the NE (the Mali situation)! Secondly, We lack enough Military Cohesion to sustain a violent Regime change today! Thirdly, with worsening Economic situation for the country, Western Sanctions would be disastrous for us! Fourthly, the Political Landscape appears Matured enough to effect a peaceful change(if PDP and APC pull this off, they'll go into history as setting the foundations of a Democratic Nigeria)!
So no Sir! I wouldn't support a Coup in Nigeria today, but would probably have supported one in the 1960s, 70s and 80s because I saw Egypt, Brazil, Argentina, Libya, etc move forward under military regimes then!

While I agree that it is possible to progress as a country under military rule, I disagree with the examples you gave - a better example would be South Korea under General Park Chung-Hee.

That said, the major issue with military regimes, like all non-democratic regimes, is that it depends on the magnanimity of whoever happens to be in charge of the country at the time. Yes a country can progress under military rule like South Korea did, but what do you do when the military ruler ends up like Mobutu? Any attempt to change such a leader, or indeed even to register a tinge of discontent, would be crushed with overwhelmingly brutal force. The unfortunate truth is that military regimes in Nigeria have given us more Mobutus than Parks.

To further illustrate the above point, ask yourself if Nigeria would have had the misfortune of being misgoverned by the likes of IBB and Abacha had the 1983 coup not taken place.

The Second Republic was extremely corrupt, yes I agree. But Buhari and the military should have left us the Nigerian people to sort out the mess ourselves. I repeat, the coup was a tragic mistake.

Oga Seun God bless you for this!

I'm very much sure some people are blinded by this man's innocent look.

The major questions I want to ask are:
How many Hausa or Fulani people were tried and jailed after the coup?
Why was the corrupt president placed under house arrest while his vice was placed behind Kiri kiri bars?
Why were there majorly Yoruba and Igbo placed behind bars? Does it mean the Hausa and Fulani people were not corrupt?
Why did Buhari jail Pa Adekunle Ajasin after multiple trial in which he wasn't found guilty? Does this make any sense?

And people say this man is not an extremist!

Mrbigman1:


Hope u ve an idea that buhari contested for 199 primaries under pdp which Obj eventually won.
Now ask ur self, what was he going to rescue den? D money him and is co-hunters abacha made away with abi d one dey allowed abdulsami to ship with impunity? He'll no, buhari is only so hungry for power like his the only one born to be dia.
In 1984, he detained underage children and kept dem in custody to be persecuted at 18, and that's d way to fight corruption?
It's a shame that we re just driven by sentiment and hatred without finding real course to hold on to. I dnt support any of them but buhari can't just be to trust in

@ first, when did Gen. Buhari contested under PDP or are from chad republic?