cirmuell:
"God's purpose for mankind, his intention for creation & future of mankind"- you can never and will never find an answer to this question.



Now, Oluwa is involed in this one lol. You see the issues you raised are more of a spiritual phenomenon than physical, and at that, you may not find a proper explanation(in the physical) as to why those things happened the way they did.

Why other living organisms die? I think the moment those guys (broke the rule/recieved their curses) was the moment everything else took a new turn, more like a chain reaction. I think it's safe to say their actions changed the course of everything else around them.

And again, what if others weren't actually structured to live forever?

cirmuell:
"God's purpose for mankind, his intention for creation & future of mankind"- you can never and will never find an answer to this question.



Now, Oluwa is involed in this one lol. You see the issues you raised are more of a spiritual phenomenon than physical, and at that, you may not find a proper explanation(in the physical) as to why those things happened the way they did.

Why other living organisms die? I think the moment those guys (broke the rule/recieved their curses) was the moment everything else took a new turn, more like a chain reaction. I think it's safe to say their actions changed the course of everything else around them.

And again, what if others weren't actually structured to live forever?

macof:

I believe everything we need to know is there in the natural world around us, all we need to do is SEE IT
So I can know the creator's purpose for my life, I can know the creator's purpose for anything I set mind to

Good luck with that one.

What do u mean by spiritual phenomenon?
is Nature a spiritual phenomenon?

Both are inter-connected, that's if you choose to believe in that idea. When he started creation, it's not like he got down here and started modding stuffs with his hands. Abi how low should I come?

Before I address the bold, can u provide Bible passages that state this?

I'm sure you can see the words "I think" up there. Just like I don't have the facts, I'm very convinced you don't have facts either.

macof:
Today I had the pleasure of speaking with some Christian evangelists...the man among them was quite sharp as he always had some kind of rebuttal.
We discussed God's purpose for mankind, his intentions for creation and intentions for the future of mankind

Now how do one know the intentions of a God, who can't show himself but hides outside existence But this isn't even the point

The man said Humans were structured to live forever and not die but sin brought death.

Now if we are to believe this tale of Adam and Eve, taking the eating of the fruit as cause for death to humanity, tripping us of immortality...what do we say about animals? Did they sin too? Did they all eat an abominable food? Did the first Cow eat grass on a forbidden area?
Did the first star also sin? Like many of you should know...stars die too
Look at Nature, everything dies so others can live off it's materials

In secondary school, I learnt that the Earth and all those living gain a whole lot from the biomass of dead people, so if people didn't die but only kept procreating like rabbits and chicken, at a point there won't be enough energy to sustain us all and we would all die out eventually

But o boy all this wan no reach for a Christian to see the logic...the man still claimed all this I stated are philosophies of men made foolishness by his God(colossians 2:8, 1 Corinthians 1:19-21)

How do we get educated people to actually be EDUCATED?

malvisguy212:
man was created with the BREATH OF GOD, man has soul, the question you should ask is , do animal have soul? Animal don't have soul, they died and return to the dust,but when man died, the soul return to God for judgment and the flesh return to the dust.

PAGAN9JA:


Thats st.upid.

malvisguy212:
do animal have soul?

malvisguy212:
man was created with the BREATH OF GOD, man has soul, the question you should ask is , do animal have soul? Animal don't have soul, they died and return to the dust,but when man died, the soul return to God for judgment and the flesh return to the dust.

malvisguy212:
do animal have soul?

malvisguy212:
man was created with the BREATH OF GOD, man has soul, the question you should ask is , do animal have soul? Animal don't have soul, they died and return to the dust,but when man died, the soul return to God for judgment and the flesh return to the dust.

PAGAN9JA:


I believe they do. Everything has a driving force.

PAGAN9JA:


I believe they do. Everything has a driving force.

malvisguy212:
iamlord and pagan9ja
Human are unique comperd to animal, human can make moral choice,human were created in the image of God, yes,animal has soul, but there's is different from human.

The spirit is that part of humans that is
able to love and experience God
directly. It is found in no other animal
species, since no other species can
experience God or form a relationship
with Him.it means there soul is different from human.

The purpose of us living in this earth,is for us to love God or reject Him,and the purpose of heaven is for thoes who love God to spend eternity with Him, the question is HOW DO PET FEET IN?

Throughout the Bible, there is no
mention of pets running around in
heaven. The only creatures described in
heaven are angels and humans. The
Bible indicates that God is a spirit.
Angels are also spiritual beings. This is
why humans take on a spiritual body so
that we can be with God and the angels.
However, animals are non-spiritual
beings.

" Who knows the spirit of the sons of
men, which goes upward, and the
spirit of the beast, which goes down
to the earth? (Ecclesiastes 3:21)"

This verse do not say animal don't have soul but there soul is different from human.

PAGAN9JA:


I believe they do. Everything has a driving force.

iamord:
animals have soul..

cirmuell:

Both are inter-connected, that's if you
choose to believe in that idea. When he
started creation, it's not like he got down
here and started modding stuffs with his
hands. Abi how low should I come?

Goodluck in your quest in finding why you were created.

malvisguy212:
man was created with the BREATH OF GOD, man has soul, the question you should ask is , do animal have soul? Animal don't have soul, they died and return to the dust,but when man died, the soul return to God for judgment and the flesh return to the dust.

cirmuell:
No one knows.

cirmuell:
Can you guys proof that they have soul? or tell how you know that they have soul?

malvisguy212:
iamlord and pagan9ja
Human are unique comperd to animal, human can make moral choice,human were created in the image of God, yes,animal has soul, but there's is different from human.

The spirit is that part of humans that is
able to love and experience God
directly. It is found in no other animal
species, since no other species can
experience God or form a relationship
with Him.it means there soul is different from human.

The purpose of us living in this earth,is for us to love God or reject Him,and the purpose of heaven is for thoes who love God to spend eternity with Him, the question is HOW DO PET FEET IN?

Throughout the Bible, there is no
mention of pets running around in
heaven. The only creatures described in
heaven are angels and humans. The
Bible indicates that God is a spirit.
Angels are also spiritual beings. This is
Why humans take on a spiritual body so
that we can be with God and the angels.
However, animals are non-spiritual
beings.

" Who knows the spirit of the sons of
men, which goes upward, and the
spirit of the beast, which goes down
to the earth? (Ecclesiastes 3:21)"

This verse do not say animal don't have soul but there soul is different from human.

macof:

Coming from a Christian this is just funny

Can you prove Jesus was born of a Virgin?
Can you prove Jehovah exists and is the creator of everything?
But very importantly...Can you prove Man has a soul?

macof:


And how do you know humans do? Have u seen a soul? I mean if you don't even know the purpose of a soul how can u know what it possesses and what it doesn't?

macof:


And what is the purpose of this Breath of God?
Is it not to animate? the Bible said in Genesis 2:7 that the breath of God made man a living being. Ask urself, are animals living beings? If Yes then that breath of God that makes man alive makes them alive too.
If the Hebrews were too illiterate to figure that simple thing out then must u follow?

Genesis 3:19 Man shall return to dust just like all animals, because we were all created from dust ...so where's ur logic coming from?
Animals have everything man has...especially a soul

macof:


You didn't answer my questions brother

cirmuell:
No dude, you're the funny one. That I'm a christian doesn't mean I shouldn't think, ask questions or express myself.
* I can't prove them 'cause they're divine phenomenon/being(beyond human grasp) & I chose to believe in them. Your problem is, anything beyond what you can see doesn't exist. Well I respect that, you should respect my opinion too.

* You asking me to prove those things is like asking me to prove that wind exist. It's not like it doesn't exist, but can you see it?

Now, I asked a question from the people I quoted...you wanna answer for them?

macof:

Lmao now you say animals have souls...dude Watsup with you? Stick to something

Ur Bible is poo, look at the world around u and tell me what silly spirit u have that animals don't have?
Do u even know the meaning of spirit?

edogho:
well, from the way its written in the bible, I don't think man was designed to live forever.

His living forever is dependent on how long he drinks and eats from the garden hence the "tree of life and river that heals" ish. it's also dependent on his obedient to the one who owns the garden. Simple.....

and malvis, pls stop this ur man has a soul talk, the bible made it clear that the first man became a living soul because of d breath that was given him by "HE" not that he was given a soul. MAN IS THE SOUL..

and remember animals and man shares one breath as d bible puts it, some translations use spirit in place of breath...

My 2kobo

malvisguy212:
can animals make moral choice? I don't think so.

they lack a spirit, which we humans. have, so that their fate Is different from ours:
Who knows the spirit of the sons of
men, which goes upward, and the
spirit of the beast, which goes down
to the earth? (Ecclesiastes 3:21)1