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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by ideylaff: 11:02am On Feb 13, 2015
theoctopus:


Because you say so on NL? TI data is in the public domain and it is authentic data. It is not generated by GEJ so you cannot fault it.

OBJ government is the most corrupt in Nigeria history

Can we stop looking at one side of the argument peeps.

People went to jail during OBJ's years which means he showed a serious attitude towards the corruption even close people to OBJ were taken to court.. ICPC, EFCC and things...

Please tell me what did Jonathan do... who has he taken to court..

I mean Alamasiagha was pardoned and made God father in Aso Rock

so the TO stats need to be balanced by looking at who challenged corruption.

Am I making sense now?
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by Chiaka(f): 11:03am On Feb 13, 2015
Dannyset:
Most of u people think we are daft.
The same way u came up with "Nigeria is the 3rd growing economy in the World", and its not translating in peoples live. Now with this again. U hav corrupted every institution in Nigeria, now ur paying International body to tell us lies.
Even a blind man can see the corruption in this govt.
$20Billion missing,
N30Trillion missing,
N10Billion for Jet,
Tompolo War ships,
$1Billion Ammunition loans,
$9.3Billion SA ammunition
N32Billion of Niger Delta ministy(PEJ).
All of una na big thief and God will judge u and those covering up for GEJ.
Tell us why we should vote for ur Thief master(by stating what he's done), and stop telling us why we shouldn't vote GMB.
Bunch of thieves. U rob people's destiny and the Devil will rob ur destinies same way.


Please did you read the post? It never said no corruption at all, Na the level we dey talk here. As we aint voting the fake saint, e dey pain you abi. Corruption started from day 1 when im comot for democratic election, Fake certificate. I beg no remind o! I dey vex.
The onlything I remember about his admistration is soldiers terrorising and flocking people about for common to queue up. Anyway he truncated a democratic government then with Uniform, now im wan come rule as a democratic government that's imposicant.

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by sammhi(m): 11:03am On Feb 13, 2015
solarview:


...Mr Man y reasoning with your intestine?... Only drug dealers INDEED! And the same man using drug dealer (BAT) as his cup bearer. What a shameful change. ...pls grow up man!

Shagari was not corrupt but his govt was corrupt..so also tafawa Balewa..he was not corrupt but his govt was ...GMb may not have enriched himself but that does not mean people like IBB etc ddint help themselves

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by emmatemmy(m): 11:03am On Feb 13, 2015
vislabraye:


It appears U have a closed mind. U refuse to listen to facts but rather choose propaganda.

What a shame. If TI said GEJ is the most corrupt, all of U will raise up your hands and say "yes". U guys are not objective because U are bent on discrediting GEJ.

I have nothing against Buhari as a person. But the people behind him are 10 times worse than those behind GEJ. Look at Tinubu's profile and you'll know. Are U aware he demanded 3 oil wells if GMB wins ?

you were thre when he requested for the oil well ? i wonder the way u people reason
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by Chigold101(m): 11:05am On Feb 13, 2015
OKDnigeria:
GEJ said it. those who shout about corruption today are the most corrupt. Imagine Tinubu...
did you say GEJ? NO now! What GEJ said is not important...


Bros Oba of Lagos SAID... He almost mentioned name... But for fear of being removed by Tinubu... Anyway...

Please who can remind me how many times PMS price was increased under OBJ...?

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by PAnaceA7(m): 11:06am On Feb 13, 2015
sanmibukunmi:

So you mean to tell me as big as transparency international is, they won't be able to gather records and information since 1960...the truth is if they had come out to say GEj's govt is the most corrupt since the inception of Nigeria, you would have believed abi....
If they can then they should update it on their website not some dumb link formulating figures for gullible Nigerians... Transparency International from 1979..i laff in swahili.
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by Popemax(m): 11:06am On Feb 13, 2015
1stCitizen:


Same here
lazy touts
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by gp6liveth(m): 11:06am On Feb 13, 2015
WisdomFlakes:
LOL. You GEJ boys are something else. No matter the amount of soap, be it Omo, Sunlight, or whatever wey Una try use wash GEJ administration from corruption, e no fit clean.

When Una cough out the missing $20billion, N30 trillion, among others, then we can sit down and talk.

Until then, GEJ administration remains the most corrupt in Nigeria history, that is a fact the TIs of this world cannot sugarcoat
What if TI rank Nigeria as most corrupt under Gej, u will open ur smelling mouth to support them.
TI is an NGO with no affiliations with govt. They use CPI-Corruption Perception Index to measure corruption around the world. Since 1996 they came onboard, their ranking has not been biased.

The problem is that Gej has been able to be transparent that's y u are seeing things. Again, u refused to read about history that's why u could not remember with ur light brains our corrupt our past leaders were.

Time will come u will say Gej was the best leader

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by kaboninc(m): 11:07am On Feb 13, 2015
dre11:


Download the PDF file that the OP provided

From this link
http://www.livenewsng.com/2015/02/shocking-buhari-and-obj-tenure-more.html and
check page 2 and you will have your information that TI was created in 1993 begbegan publishing in 1995.

Oga, I think you quoted the wrong guy.
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by Rainmaker69(m): 11:07am On Feb 13, 2015
Op why the lies? You're not helping your case by publishing lies that can be verified easily. It's people like you that give Nigerians a bad name.

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by Chiaka(f): 11:10am On Feb 13, 2015
ideylaff:


Can we stop looking at one side of the argument peeps.

People went to jail during OBJ's years which means he showed a serious attitude towards the corruption even close people to OBJ were taken to court.. ICPC, EFCC and things...

Please tell me what did Jonathan do... who has he taken to court..

I mean Alamasiagha was pardoned and made God father in Aso Rock

so the TO stats need to be balanced by looking at who challenged corruption.

Am I making sense now?


No break your head, will put corruption to book......na small small. Nigeria is too corrupt. What happened with the Obsanjo and co regime were selective judgement, ones you fall out with them, they bring out your own file to nail you. That's what was happening. They were all corrupt.
I prefer a general thing , punish A or B whether its your friend, don't wait until im wan grow pass you to bring am down.
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by Chiaka(f): 11:12am On Feb 13, 2015
PAnaceA7:

If they can then they should update it on their website not some dumb link formulating figures for gullible Nigerians... Transparency International from 1979..i laff in swahili.

Why you no laugh for click language?
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by philips70(m): 11:13am On Feb 13, 2015
But how do Seun allow his mods to aid in subversion of truth and misinform the public? This itself is the corruption we are talking about. There was nothing like TI in the 80's and TI started taking datas and releasing these indexes mid 90's. At the risk of being unpatriotic my take is Nigeria is the most corrupt country in the world today. Even TI hardly know the level of corruption that goes on in Nigeria including in and out of governance. This is because Nigeria has the highest number of pretenders in the world who kill in the night and preach the bible in the day.

Seun please this thread to the dustbin of Nairaland. There should be a limit to propaganda.

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by fujirice: 11:13am On Feb 13, 2015
Dannyset:
Most of u people think we are daft.
The same way u came up with "Nigeria is the 3rd growing economy in the World", and its not translating in peoples live. Now with this again. U hav corrupted every institution in Nigeria, now ur paying International body to tell us lies.
Even a blind man can see the corruption in this govt.
$20Billion missing,
N30Trillion missing,
N10Billion for Jet,
Tompolo War ships,
$1Billion Ammunition loans,
$9.3Billion SA ammunition
N32Billion of Niger Delta ministy(PEJ).
All of una na big thief and God will judge u and those covering up for GEJ.
Tell us why we should vote for ur Thief master(by stating what he's done), and stop telling us why we shouldn't vote GMB.
Bunch of thieves. U rob people's destiny and the Devil will rob ur destinies same way.
some of you have gotten to a point where you CAN'T be redeemed again. www.persecondnews.com/index.php/component/k2/item/2926-forensic-audit-report-no-money-is-missing-says-gmd-nnpc

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by Akainzo(m): 11:14am On Feb 13, 2015
theoctopus:
According to Transparency International data from 1979 till date, Both General Buhari and Former President Olusegun Obasanjo's tenure were more corrupt than President Goodluck Jonathan;s tenure.

The data also showed that GEJ period has the best corruption perception index since 1979. This is in complete contrast to what the opposition including Obasanjo, has been saying in the media about corruption during the last 5 years,

Shockingly, according to the TI data, Obasanjo's first tenure had the worst corruption during the 35 year period.

Here is a graph showing the corruption perception index for the 35 year period

The TI corruption perception index is a rating of countries from 1 to 100 showing their corruption scale. A rating of 1 is the worst and and rating of 100 means a country is completely free of corruption. 50 is the pass mark and any country below 50 is considered a corrupt country

http://www.livenewsng.com/2015/02/shocking-buhari-and-obj-tenure-more.html

This is PURE PROPAGANDA, Transparency International was formed in in 1993 and they started collating he CPI in 1993, how did the PDP people get the supposed data for 1985?

Here is Transparency International About Page

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by dallyemmy: 11:16am On Feb 13, 2015
we read graph upward not downward, OP take note, please!
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by VIPERVENOM(m): 11:18am On Feb 13, 2015
clevvermind:
that is why Jonathan is around to sanitize the system.
so who under his administration has been punish for corrupt practices so far? Why are d likes of lawan, moro, ffk, etc still walking freely?

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by Chiaka(f): 11:18am On Feb 13, 2015
Chigold101:
did you say GEJ? NO now! What GEJ said is not important...


Bros Oba of Lagos SAID... He almost mentioned name... But for fear of being removed by Tinubu... Anyway...

Please who can remind me how many times PMS price was increased under OBJ...?

Yes O! Mo ran ti. He Increase plenty times, one of the times I rioted and got the beating of a life time. With Jonathan, Nigerians are expressing great level of freedom of speech and expression. Long live GEJ, Forward Ever O jare!, Backward Never
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by Chiaka(f): 11:22am On Feb 13, 2015
VIPERVENOM:
so who under his administration has been punish for corrupt practices so far? Why are d likes of lawan, moro, ffk, etc still walking freely?

Im no one do selective punishment. Only punishing those who no longer smile to you. No if they have to punish have to include every one. And Nigerian are well so deep into corruption. Even see Buhari with fake result. I tire!
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by nortcentrallord(m): 11:23am On Feb 13, 2015
menesheh:
All these corruption saga is deluded strategy to discredit this administration.

Am not of the opinion that GEJ's administration is devoid of corruption but the way they the opposition are painting the whole scenario seems as if there is no existence of corruption b4 the inception of the present administration and also as if BUHARI emerge as a President today, corruption will magically seize to exist.

It is impossible for corruption to instantly seize as far as it had already been ingrained in us and also we have more than one Institution to fight the menace (the arms of govt).

It takes time to strengthen the Institutions and block the loopholes to stealing
Thanks for that brief but enlightened explanation especially with that statistics. Many Nigerians just talk out of sentiments. We never listen to the voice of reason. Any policy that doesn't favor us must be criticized devoid of the greater good. Am surprised a man like Soludo with his wealth of experience and knowledge will make such statement. What a shame.
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by kaboninc(m): 11:25am On Feb 13, 2015
philips70:
But how do Seun allow his mods to aid in subversion of truth and misinform the public? This itself is the corruption we are talking about. There was nothing like TI in the 80's and TI started taking datas and releasing these indexes mid 90's. At the risk of being unpatriotic my take is Nigeria is the most corrupt country in the world today. Even TI hardly know the level of corruption that goes on in Nigeria including in and out of governance. This is because Nigeria has the highest number of pretenders in the world who kill in the night and preach the bible in the day.

Seun please this thread to the dustbin of Nairaland. There should be a limit to propaganda.

It is 'data' bro even in plural context.

That said, can you furnish us with real facts (not rumors) of actual corrupt practices?
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by clevvermind(m): 11:26am On Feb 13, 2015
VIPERVENOM:
so who under his administration has been punish for corrupt practices so far? Why are d likes of lawan, moro, ffk, etc still walking freely?
they have not been found guilty. abi you catch dem when dem dey steal?
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by kaboninc(m): 11:27am On Feb 13, 2015
nortcentrallord:

Thanks for that brief but enlightened explanation especially with that statistics. Many Nigerians just talk out of sentiments. We never listen to the voice of reason. Any policy that doesn't favor us must be criticized devoid of the greater good. Am surprised a man like Soludo with his wealth of experience and knowledge will make such statement. What a shame.

If you are surprised at Soludo, how about OBJ. This was GEJ's reply to him:

I am really shocked that with all avenues open to you as a former Head of State for the verification of any information you have received about state affairs, you chose to go public with allegations of “high corruption” without offering a shred of supporting evidence. One of your political “sons” similarly alleged recently that he told me of a minister who received a bribe of $250 Million from an oil company and I did nothing about it. He may have been playing from a shared script, but we have not heard from him again since he was challenged to name the minister involved and provide the evidence to back his claim. I urge you, in the same vein, to furnish me with the names, facts and figures of a single verifiable case of the “high corruption” which you say stinks all around my administration and see whether the corrective action you advocate does not follow promptly. And while you are at it, you may also wish to tell Nigerians the true story of questionable waivers of signature bonuses between 2000 and 2007.

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by ahaika23: 11:29am On Feb 13, 2015
Even with all of Lagos corrupt profile trying to dent the Jonathan's administration, Buharis's and OBJ's still outshine in corruption. Eko koni baje
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by kenex4ever(m): 11:30am On Feb 13, 2015
alguenyaMIST:


The issue is that the graph drawn up/plotted by the OP is NOT CREDIBLE. Where was the data for the pre-2001 years drawn up. TI site started concise and well reported analysis from 2001. You cannot draw up a silly graph with the current/2014 TI figures for Nigeria and extrapolate FALSELY down the years to make the other administrations look worse and make GEJ look like some Robin Hood!

TI currently says that 72%... A whooping 72% of Nigerians believe this administration is very corrupt! There is NO DATA for the other 70s 80s and 90s... While TI is big enough to source data from those years, there is no published stuff on their website backing up the hogwash graph!!!

This is 2015. if the OP must lie, Please lie with some intelligence...if he/she must lie that is


http://www.transparency.org/gcb2013/country//?country=nigeria
do dey need to put up all d data dey used in their research for u to see on their website? Mind u, TI is a neutral body, not dat dey r taking sides with GEJ. Assuming dey said GEJ admin is d most corrupt, I no u would welcome d news and won't question their credibility. These people are professionals and u know it, the info they put up in their website is nt based on hearsay but based on research carried out over the years bearing in mind dat other professional bodies would verify them.
.
So, I will advise u nt to discredit their professional research with ur hasty-hearsay.
In other words, tnx 4 ur more educated reply dan d other guy dat keeps insulting.
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by Dannyset(m): 11:31am On Feb 13, 2015
U expect me to reply ur mention, u hav failed same way Jonathan has failed. Keep bringing out ur darkness for all to see and keep saying some pple are not redeemable. God will judge u all. If u say Jonathan govt is not corrupt, let God run ur life the way he's running dis country.
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by kenex4ever(m): 11:34am On Feb 13, 2015
genearts:


I have been there and I didn't see sh*t, mayb I dnt knw how to surf the internet, can u pls help me with a link?? Is that so difficult to ask?? I dare you to... Fool!
bro do ur research since ur r d one trying to counter a well documented/graphed report. *Half.
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by negroG(m): 11:40am On Feb 13, 2015
geedeex2:
Transparency international ,you can't tell us what we know .GEJ Government is more corrupt than all the other administrations we have had in Nigeria put together
M*um*u in highest level
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by OKKO(m): 11:41am On Feb 13, 2015
There is something the APC are fighting and that is to protect themselves and investments, not for the good of common man nor to implement great economic reforms. They are afraid of what GEJ will do to them and their cronies with second tenure.
They understood what Lamido said "that GEJ is like a mad man in a petrol station and a lighter in his hand". They are yet to recover from the unbundling of NEPA, Fertilizer distribution, IPISS salary scheme, aviation reform, introduction of trains to brake the transport cartel etc. The are afraid of imminent reform in oil and gas.
To be modest, I respect GEJ for his courage to probe the fuel subsidy and stab his friends in that sector, I admire his stand in FOI, I most especial respect his selfless effort towards Petroleum Industry Bill - at which he wish to sacrifice his presidential fiats and sole right to allocate oil well in the alter of transparency and due process.

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Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by VIPERVENOM(m): 11:41am On Feb 13, 2015
clevvermind:
they have not been found guilty. abi you catch dem when dem dey steal?
lawan was caught red handed stuffin cash in his cap. Or did you suddenly black out wen d video evidence was leaked out then?
Re: Buhari And Obasanjo's Tenure More Corrupt Than GEJ Tenure - TI by nortcentrallord(m): 11:44am On Feb 13, 2015
Dannyset:
Most of u people think we are daft.
The same way u came up with "Nigeria is the 3rd growing economy in the World", and its not translating in peoples live. Now with this again. U hav corrupted every institution in Nigeria, now ur paying International body to tell us lies.
Even a blind man can see the corruption in this govt.
$20Billion missing,
N30Trillion missing,
N10Billion for Jet,
Tompolo War ships,
$1Billion Ammunition loans,
$9.3Billion SA ammunition
N32Billion of Niger Delta ministy(PEJ).
All of una na big thief and God will judge u and those covering up for GEJ.
Tell us why we should vote for ur Thief master(by stating what he's done), and stop telling us why we shouldn't vote GMB.
Bunch of thieves. U rob people's destiny and the Devil will rob ur destinies same way.

Listing to the figures you just called above. Do some summation of those figures and apply them in reality. Does it add up? Nobody is saying GEJ's administration is corrupt free but it has been better than the past. Am sure you saw the statistics given above by Soludo's explanation. We can leave above share hypocrisy. Well you are entitled to your vote so as others but I have come to realize that every agency or body, be it local or international that supports one good thing in GEJ's administration is paid to do so. Even if God steps out of heaven to say a single good thing about GEJ, some folks will say he is paid to do so. God help us all.

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