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Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Here2BustnScrew: 8:16pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
Obiagelli:no need waiting, its already been tested and proven.. |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by OLADD: 8:17pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
Obiagelli: Maybe you don't even have a full grasp of the topic you created by yourself. Buhari premised his reason for staging a coup in 1983 on corruption and 31 years later, he is still hyping on corruption as his reason for wanting to become civilian president. Can't you get the gist? |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by deeptechcool(m): 8:18pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
Obiagelli:Very apt. I know Barcanista can do better. |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Nobody: 8:21pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
Obiagelli:na wa you o |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Nobody: 8:29pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
barcanista: |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Nobody: 8:31pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
Obiagelli:e be like yu no understand wetin you read o |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by VolvoS60(m): 8:50pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
barcanista: barcanista: barcanista: barcanista: ^^^^ I think you need to clarify a few things about your understanding of what the Conference Report is all about. Are its 'resolutions' binding on Nigerian lawmakers? Does the Report have any weight or force in law? Is the Report equivalent to a parliamentary bill or superior/inferior to it? Or there is no relationship whatsoever? Is there any relationship between legislators attendance/participation at the Conference and the prospects of implementation of the Report created? The OP and one other poster clearly have their misgivings about GEJ's ability to make good on his 'promise' about the conference Report. Answering my questions above may clear things up for all of us. |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by ndcide(m): 8:55pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
Having gone through this thread, I'm convinced that the original question by obiagelli have been answered especially by barcanister. other questions she raised have also been answered. she is intelligent enough to give it all up at this juncture. it is absolutely pointless stressing this, irrespective of how much she's being paid by APC gracias. 1 Like |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by agabaI23(m): 9:01pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
Obiagelli:We all know that the house was not controlled by PDP otherwise Tambuwal would not have been the speaker. We had lawmakers who were pdp by name but opposition by action. 1 Like |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Zionope: 9:07pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
barcanista:He can bribe people to endorse him for second term, he can lobby the force to make his party win elections, he can talk d security operatives into postponing elections for his selfish interest,but he can't lobby his party lawmakers to get a bill passed. NAIJA I HAIL THEE. 2 Likes |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by blackfase(m): 9:18pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
That report is a DOA. There's no legislation backing it. Even the PIB has more leverage and impetus than the already jaundiced Confab bs report. Thats what its antagonists are holding on to abnitio.... The clueless drunk is just tryna pull another fast one on the gullible twerps. Clerverly: |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by agabaI23(m): 9:20pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
barcanista:Oops! I meant to quote Obiagelli lol |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Nobody: 9:30pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
Zionope:God bless you 4 Likes |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Nobody: 9:39pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
VolvoS60:Idealy, the resolution by the Confab should have gone through a referandum and not further subject to a parliamentary process. Because the confab is the "voice" of the People, its resolutions naturally should supercede parliamentary brohaha. But again the President should have got the endorsement of the Parliament in form of a bill to make the Confab binding and to undergo referandum so as to be endorsed by at least 2/3 Nigeria population of voting age. Well, the NASS, and virtually every section of our political class were part of the Confab Process. Jonathan sending the report to NASS is like doing what he should have done in the first instance. But the good news is that the NASS will look at the report and passing it ideally should be a mere academic exercise. The Confab is like "our" resolution |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Nobody: 9:42pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
Zionope:bros, the issue of PIB bill is beyond all these you mentioned |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Nobody: 9:44pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
agabaI23:Obiagelli just de find fault |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by modhream: 10:28pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
barcanista:Get your facts right,buster.A bill for an Act need only a simple majority of members present and voting,not 2/3.2/3rd only applies to constitutional amendment bills.Last time I checked,the PDP still holds a simple majority of the NASS.Look for another excuse,this one won't wash. "Never ascribe to malice that which is best explained by incompetence" - Napoleon Bonaparte 1 Like |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Change2015(m): 10:51pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
barcanista: I trust this will better inform you about the constitution. The parts in bold in particular, the rest of the article provides useful context. http://www.elombah.com/index.php/articles-mainmenu/14609-the-veto-power-of-the-president-under-the-1999-constitution The Veto Power Of The President Under The 1999 Constitution Category: ARTICLES Published on Monday, 18 February 2013 16:27 Written by Okoi Obono-Obla Share goodluck JonathanThe 2013 Appropriation Bill was passed into Law by the National Assembly several weeks ago and presented to President Goodluck Jonathan for assent. It was expected that President Jonathan would promptly assent the Bill into Law so that the executive branch of the Federal Government will start the implementation of the budget for the year in good time especially where previous Appropriations Act (Budgets) over the years have been dogged by poor implementation. Section 81 (1) of the Constitution, 1999 vests on the President the responsibility to cause to be prepared and laid before each House of the National Assembly at any time in each financial year estimates of the revenues and expenditure of the Federation for the next following financial year. Where a Bill has been passed into Law in the House in which it originated, it shall be sent to the other House, and it shall be presented to the President for assent when it has been passed by that other House and agreement has been reached between the two Houses on any amendment made on it. See Section 58 (3) of the Constitution. It is instructive that the National Assembly is made up of two Houses namely the Senate and the House of Representatives. However this expectation of expeditious assenting and implementation of the Appropriations Act has come into naught. President Jonathan has bluntly refused to assent the Bill into Law by appending his signature as enjoined by Section 58 (4) of the Constitution which provides that where a bill is presented to the President for assent, he shall within thirty days thereof signify that he assents or that he withholds assent. It is more than 30 days since the 2013 Appropriations Bill has been presented to President Jonathan but he has refused to assent into Law or Act. There is a deadlock. The fate of the 2013 budget hangs in the balance. There is a threat by the National Assembly the power conferred on it by Section 58 (5) of the Constitution to pass into Law any Bill that the President refuse or fail to assent into. In other words, the National Assembly is threatening to veto the Bill. Section 58 (5) of the Constitution provides that where the President withholds his assent and the bill is again passed by each House by two-thirds majority, the bill shall become law and the assent of the President shall not be required. The Chief Economic Adviser to the President, Dr. Nwanze Okeidegbe has revealed that there is a disagreement between the executive branch of government and the National Assembly on some key issues concerning the budget. The key areas where the executive and the National Assembly appear to disagree are the vexatious issue of constituency projects and the overheads that is higher than what the executive actually laid before the National Assembly. The Chief Economic Adviser revealed that the executive branch of the Federal Government has sought legal advice on the constitutionality of the Veto and its application. This current impasse is not the first we have seen in recent times between the executive branch of the Federal Government and the National Assembly. The would be recalled the row between the President and the National Assembly over refusal or failure of the President to assent into Law several Bills passed by the National Assembly that has been kept from Nigerians came into the open. Recall when Speaker of the House of Representatives, Honourable Aminu Tawbuwal, pointedly accused President Jonathan of shirking his constitutional responsibilities by withholding or refusing his assent to several bills passed by the National Assembly at a Public lecture on the 27th May, 2012 to marked the 13th Anniversary of the return to democratic civil rule in the country. Responding to the dart thrown at the presidency by Speaker Tambuwal, President Jonathan said he refused to sign or assent to these bills because that the National Assembly, that is made up of majority of members of the Peoples Democratic Party has disregarded or refused to follow the manifestos of the Peoples Democratic Party in enacting the legislations . The brawls and bickering between the presidency and the National Assembly (especially the House of Representatives) stems from the fall out of the election to elect a Speaker of the House of Representatives in 2011 when the person preferred by the President and the top hierarchy of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) was roundly defeated by Honourable Tambuwal to the chagrin and consternation of President Jonathan and the PDP. The PDP had zoned the Speakership of the House of Representatives zoned to the position to the South West Geo-Political Zone but Honourable Tambuwal who is from the North West rather emerged Speaker of the House. Thereafter the Chairman of the House Committee on Rules and Business, Representatives Albert Tsokwa (PDP Taraba) disclosed to bewildered Nigerians that there are more than ten (10) bills passed by the last National Assembly which were not assented to by President Jonathan. The bills include the Public Procurement Amendment Bill; Legal Aid Council Bill; National Health Bill; People with Disability Bill; National Assembly Budget and Research Office Establishment Bill, Tobacco Bill; State of the Nation Address Bill; Federal Capital Territory Area Courts Bill; National Assembly Budget and Research Establishment Bill and National Assembly Commission Repeal Bill. There are also National Bio-Safety Management Bill; River Basin Development Authority Bill; Nigerian Hydrological Services Agency Bill; Federal Capital Territory Board of Internal Revenue Bill; Harmonised Retirement Age of Tertiary Institutions Workers Bill and Police Act amendment Act. Representatives Tsokwa said that the President has only assented to two bills namely the Transfer of Prisoners Amendment Bill and the 2011 Appropriation Bill but has not assented to all other Bills passed by the National Assembly since its inception on the 6th June, 2011. Some few days after the blistering attack on President Jonathan by Speaker Tambuwal, the President of the Senate, Senator David Mark at the opening of the public hearing by the Senate on Environment and Ecology on a bill to set up Erosion Control Commission joined the fray. He expressed displeasure over the refusal of the President to assent to bills sent to him for his assent. The germane questions are: (i) Does the President has power to refuse to assent to Bill presented to him after passage by the National Assembly; and (ii) What is the Veto power of the President? Every Law or Legislation passed by the National Assembly requires the assent of the President to come into force. Veto power of the President is therefore the power of the President to send back the legislation or the enactment passed in the National Assembly back to the National Assembly by the President. One sent back such legislation or enactment requires to be passed by each House of the National Assembly (Senate and House of Representatives) with a majority (2/3) of members to become Law. Section 58 subsections 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 of the Constitution provides thus:- “(1) The power of the National Assembly to make laws shall be exercised by bills passed by both the Senate and the House of Representatives and, except as otherwise provided by subsection (5) of this section, assented to by the President. (2) A bill may originate in either the Senate or the House of Representatives and shall not become law unless it has been passed and, except as otherwise provided by section 59 of this Constitution, assented to in accordance with the provisions of this section. (3) Where a bill has been passed by the House in which it originated, it shall be sent to the other House, and it shall be presented to the President for assent when it has been passed by that House and agreement has been reached between the two Houses on any amendment made on it. (4) Where a bill is presented to the President for assent, he shall within thirty days thereof signify that he assents or that he withholds assent. (5) Where the President withholds his assent and the bill is again passed by each House by two-third majority, the bill shall become law and the assent of the President shall not be required”. #change #GMB #APC 1 Like |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Change2015(m): 11:02pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
I am just amazed at the obtuse nature of some of these arguments. In a parliamentary democracy like the U.K. if the prime minister fails to muster the majority votes to pass major legislation that he campaigned on, he will face a vote of confidence in which it will be decided if he still commands a majority in parliament that supports his leadership. So we have a presidential democracy, but it is still extremely stupid, for a leader and president to proclaim he will push a bill that does not have the support of his party in the national legislature,especially when his party commands a majority in both houses. Silly excuses, I've heard enough of already. #change #GMB #APC 1 Like |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Change2015(m): 11:12pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
From the Nigerian constitution 56. (1) Except as otherwise provided by this Constitution any question proposed for decision in the Senate or the House of Representatives shall be determined by the required majority or the members present and voting; and the person presiding shall cast a vote whenever necessary to avoid an equality of votes but shall not vote in any other case. (2) Except as otherwise provided by this Constitution, the required majority for the purpose of determining any question shall be a simple majority. ==== 9. (1) The National Assembly may, subject to the provision of this section, alter any of the provisions of this Constitution. (2) An Act of the National Assembly for the altertion of this Constitution, not being an Act to which section 8 of this Constitution applies, shall not be passed in either House of the National Assembly unless the proposal is supported by the votes of not less than two-thirds majority of all the members of that House and approved by resolution of the Houses of Assembly of not less than two-thirds of all the States. (3) An Act of the National Assembly for the purpose of altering the provisions of this section, section 8 or Chapter IV of this Constitution shall not be passed by either House of the National Assembly unless the proposal is approved by the votes of not less than four-fifths majority of all the members of each House, and also approved by resolution of the House of Assembly of not less than two-third of all States. (4) For the purposes of section 8 of this Constitution and of subsections (2) and (3) of this section, the number of members of each House of the National Assembly shall, notwithstanding any vacancy, be deemed to be the number of members specified in sections 48 and 49 of this Constitution. 10. The Government of the Federation or of a State shall not adopt any religion as State Religion. #change #GMB #APC |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Change2015(m): 11:22pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
barcanista: I'm sorry but this is rubbish. The legislature cannot make laws in violation of the constitution, and thus they cannot transfer the power to amend the constitution to another body, in contradiction to the means of altering the constitution specified in the constitution! So the confab for all the money spent was just a useless talking shop that has no authority and little foundation. It certainly was not representing me, especially with a significant number of government appointees. I had no choice in who represented me, and on that ground it fails for me. The nation has an Attorney - General who should ideally provide clear legal advice on what is legal for the government to do, and obviously he has been derelict in his duties. #change #GMB #APC |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Nobody: 11:27pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
agabaI23:How? I thought someone on this thread rightly said ethnic sentiments is stalling the passage of the bill. How does it concern APC? You e-rats should stop blaming APC for the failure of the passage of the bill. Jonathan can use the sudden alleged defeat of boko haram as his campaign strategy, that I will understand. |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by modhream: 11:27pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
Change2015:As in,that guy can say rubbish a lot.Always believing what he feels or thinks is the position of the law.He doesn't even bother looking up relevant portions of the law before making his asinine positions known. 1 Like |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Change2015(m): 11:33pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
VolvoS60: With regards to your comments on the FOI law, I would appreciate it if you could let us know which states in the federation including the fct have domesticated the law. As far as I have researched, it appears only Ekiti state under Fayemi has done so. I stand to be corrected. #change #GMB #APC |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by genearts(m): 11:43pm On Feb 27, 2015 |
barcanista: |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Demdem(m): 8:27am On Feb 28, 2015 |
The truth is Jonah-daft is a useless leader. Just to rally round his members in the NASS to actualize his policy is a problem. The fool is a lame duck. He must go. |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Demdem(m): 8:33am On Feb 28, 2015 |
barcanista: What useless people? How was the confab constituted? Who nominated the members? We're all nationalities represented? Why give restrictions to what could be discussed and what shouldn't be? A conference that comprises more delegates from the FG than any other is a useless conference. We demanded for an SNC, the fool gave us a useless assemblage of time wasters. By the way, the NASS wasn't part of it. It's on record that some members expressed their reservation as to its existence. To me, there is no difference Btw this conference and obj conference. That useless report must be junked. It's a waste. |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Mentcee(m): 8:11pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
Demdem:Ignorant rabid canine speaking. You see your life? Off point finisher. Inanity at it peak. |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by VolvoS60(m): 9:38pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
Change2015: ^^^ Delta, Lagos and Ekiti. |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by Change2015(m): 10:24pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
VolvoS60: Your source for this info appreciated. I know lagos had sent a bill to the house but I did not hear it was passed. On delta state, seeing is believing. #change #GMB #APC |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by VolvoS60(m): 10:25pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
barcanista: ^^^ I wonder where your optimism is coming from. By your own admission up here, the resolutions of the Conference are NOT binding. So what do we have to hold on to? GEJ's word? Your post up here talks about what should have been done but wasn't. Hence your liberal use of qualifiers such as 'ideally', 'should have', 'naturally', etc. That Report is nothing more than a bargaining tool in the hands of the powers that be. When it has served its purpose it will be discarded. 1 Like |
Re: Gej Campaigned With PIB In 2011, Today He Is Campaigning On The Confab Report by pheliciti: 10:48pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
barcanista: Hi, it's always amusing reading you spew ignorance on this forum. You should please study more before seeking to educate others. First, the National Assembly is not a Parliament. Nigeria dispensed with the Parliamentary system in the 1979 Const. Second, 2/3 majority in the National Assembly is only required to over ride a Presidential veto to a Bill, save where there is a Constitutional amendment which also requires passage at State Assemblies. Finally, the confab report is not the voice of the people. If it is passed, it would be similar to constitutions midwifed by the military. To know a constitution that is the voice of the people, please read up on autochthonous constitutions. |
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