rka1:


Get lost you pretend Southie. You are half Nigerian whether you like it or not, so you are trolling yourself. You will never be fully accepted as a Southie and we don't want you as well.

You extol Chad because they saved South Africas bacon in CAR.

Chad was no where in CAR when we decimated child soldiers who were calling upon their mommies. Chad came later when we were already gone.


Yes, I also do have Nigerian blood me, that I don't deny, but I see myself as more South African than Nigerian.

Msauza:



[size=16]CHAD BEAT UP THE DOG WITH STICKS AND BRICKS AND THE DOG CRIED UNTIL THE OWNER CAME OUT TO PLEAD ON ITS BEHALF. THIS IS A CLEAR PROOF THAT JONATHAN'S GOVERNMENT IS FULLY BEHIND BOKO HARAM. IT IS USED AS A POLITICAL AGENDA AND A CASH COW TO EXTRACT MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. WHY DID THEY STOP CHAD FROM FLUSHING OUT TERRORISTS IN NIGERIA?

THERE ARE ELEMENTS WITHIN THE CABINET OF JONATHAN WHO ARE IN SUPPORT OF BOKO HARAM AND WHO KNOW WELL THAT NIGERIAN MILITARY IS JUST A LIMPING GIANT THAT CANT DEFEAT BOKO HARAM. NOW, THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW CHAD WAS SUCCEEDING IN DEMOLISHING THEIR ONLY HOPE TO GRAB ONTO POWER. SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE AND THAT WAS TO STOP CHAD. THOSE WHO MADE THAT DECISION MUST BE INVESTIGATED. THE REAL LEADER OF BOKO HARAM IS WITHIN THE CABINET AND MUST COME OUT, PRES IDRISS HAS ORDERED.[/size]

You are becoming more deranged as time goes by. Do you think if Nigeria stooped the engagements going on now and turn their full attention on Chad they will be anywhere near ? Fo*OK

Little do you know that a lot of the commanders and foot soldiers of book haram iin the border regions are Chadians as well as Nigeriens.

This Idriss that you love, wasn't he the one that tried or trick Nigeria into a seizefire by guaranteeing BH surrender?

They are only now interested because their economy is affected after Nigeria's clampdown and are trying to claim unwarranted glory for a 2 town success when we have cleared 34out of 36 communities.
Don't worry your low IQs, the truth is coming out.

MikeCZAR:
At this rate I'll end up calling you a m...........

Hurdles selling the aircraft have nothing to do with its capabilities, the Rafale is highly capable plane. Armscor and Denel problems selling the Rooivalk have nothing to do with the helicopter's capabilities.

Here's simple analogy: Nigeria is developing an anti-ship missile, to cut costs of research and development of the missile's active radar homing seeker. Nigeria decides to use an Egyptian developed seeker.

In this case if Nigeria insisted on using an indigenous, it would've met long R & D, tests, industrialisation, production etc

You piece of sh1t!!!!

How dare you compare that obsolete half-french helicopter your government doesn't want to the Rafale.

The Rafale is a high end 4++ fighter, it's capabilities were never in doubt, plus it had also carried out long range bombing/surveillance Operations in actual wars.

The Rooivalk was rejected everywhere it went because of it's capabilities. Even the british who have strong cultural ties with South-Africa rejected it.

The Rooivalk is a bad.....bad Helicopter. The incompetent SANDF proves this with only 10 units in active service.



Fool, your Analogy doesn't fit into the picture.

The Algerians want to build fauch APC's at home, the Algerians have to pay more.

The Algerians also want to build T-90's at home, they also have to pay more.

The Indians want to build Rafales at home, the Indians have to pay more.



No company has all the component it needs at home. Components purchase from outside sources are common place in the Defence industry.

The J.S.F programme isn't even 100% American.

Msauza:



Chad was no where in CAR when we decimated child soldiers who were calling upon their mommies. Chad came later when we were already gone.


Yes, I also do have Nigerian blood me, that I don't deny, but I see myself as more South African than Nigerian.

Exactly, you guys had fled and left the brave Chaans do what you guys couldn't. Hollywood excuse of a national defence force.

rka1:


You are becoming more deranged as time goes by. Do you think if Nigeria stooped the engagements going on now and turn their full attention on Chad they will be anywhere near ? Fo*OK

Little do you know that a lot of the commanders and foot soldiers of book haram iin the border regions are Chadians as well as Nigeriens.

This Idriss that you love, wasn't he the one that tried or trick Nigeria into a seizefire by guaranteeing BH surrender?

They are only now interested because their economy is affected after Nigeria's clampdown and are trying to claim unwarranted glory for a 2 town success when we have cleared 34out of 36 communities.
Don't worry your low IQs, the truth is coming out.

Chad made such an undeniable and unprecedented progress that Nigerian forces has never achieved in their war against terror.

rka1:


Exactly, you guys had fled and left the brave Chaans do what you guys couldn't. Hollywood excuse of a national defence force.

We never fled, we merely followed orders by the parliament of RSA to beg down following the massacre we committed.

Henry120:


You piece of sh1t!!!!

How dare you compare that obsolete half-french helicopter your government doesn't want to the Rafale.

The Rafale is a high end 4++ fighter, it's capabilities were never in doubt, plus it had also carried out long range bombing/surveillance Operations in actual wars.

The Rooivalk was rejected everywhere it went because of it's capabilities. Even the british who have strong cultural ties with South-Africa rejected it.

The Rooivalk is a bad.....bad Helicopter. The incompetent SANDF proves this with only 10 units in active service.



Fool, your Analogy doesn't fit into the picture.

The Algerians want to build fauch APC's at home, the Algerians have to pay more.

The Algerians also want to build T-90's at home, they also have to pay more.

The Indians want to build Rafales at home, the Indians have to pay more.



No company has all the component it needs at home. Components purchase from outside sources are common place in the Defence industry.

The J.S.F programme isn't 100% American.

Rooivalk was denied on the ground that it was never tested dummy, but after its outing in Congo many countries started showing interests.

http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Ex-SA-soldiers-playing-major-role-in-fight-against-Boko-Haram-20150305

Ex-SA soldiers 'playing major role in fight against Boko Haram


[b]Cape Town – Former South African Defence Force soldiers are reportedly playing a major role in the fight against Boko Haram extremists in Nigeria after they were hired by the west African country.

According to the Institute for Security Studies(ISS) several ex-South African Air Force (SAAF) pilots were also participating in the war against the Islamist insurgents.The report said the South African team together with other military experts from Britain, United States and France had contributed significantly to the recent successes of the Lake Chad Basin Commission forces against Boko Haram.

"The former SADF members are definitely playing a major role in this offensive. They have been in country for a significant time already, involved in training some specialised NDF [Nigerian Defence Forces] units," a former military intelligence was quoted as saying.

Beeld reported in January that the former SA soldiers were to form the core of a multinational team of private military experts to fight Boko Haram.The report, at the time, said that the 100-strong team had been tasked with training the Nigerian military in a massive campaign against the terrorist organisation.

This came after a Nigerian presidential security adviser stated that Nigeria's campaign against Boko Haram was being hampered by "cowards" within the armed forces, signalling dissatisfaction with how the military is handling the situation.  But Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakuladismissed the so called former SADF soldiers as mercenaries and said that they should be arrested when they return home.

"The police have a responsibility to ensure that, when they come back, those people are arrested and the [National Prosecutions Authority] has a responsibility to charge them. There are consequences for going out of the country and provide any form of military assistance as a mercenary, not as part of the deployment by government," Mapisa-Ngqakula was quoted as saying.

Abuja has reportedly insisted that the deal had been cleared with President Jacob Zuma – and the ex-SADF soldiers now in Nigeria have likewise also insisted that their involvement was cleared at the highest echelons of the South African government, even if the defence minister did not know about it.[/b]

I never got into this discussion before. Just find it interesting that more details seem to be coming out.

saengine:
http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Ex-SA-soldiers-playing-major-role-in-fight-against-Boko-Haram-20150305

Ex-SA soldiers 'playing major role in fight against Boko Haram


[b]Cape Town – Former South African Defence Force soldiers are reportedly playing a major role in the fight against Boko Haram extremists in Nigeria after they were hired by the west African country.

According to the Institute for Security Studies(ISS) several ex-South African Air Force (SAAF) pilots were also participating in the war against the Islamist insurgents.The report said the South African team together with other military experts from Britain, United States and France had contributed significantly to the recent successes of the Lake Chad Basin Commission forces against Boko Haram.

"The former SADF members are definitely playing a major role in this offensive. They have been in country for a significant time already, involved in training some specialised NDF [Nigerian Defence Forces] units," a former military intelligence was quoted as saying.

Beeld reported in January that the former SA soldiers were to form the core of a multinational team of private military experts to fight Boko Haram.The report, at the time, said that the 100-strong team had been tasked with training the Nigerian military in a massive campaign against the terrorist organisation.

This came after a Nigerian presidential security adviser stated that Nigeria's campaign against Boko Haram was being hampered by "cowards" within the armed forces, signalling dissatisfaction with how the military is handling the situation.  But Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakuladismissed the so called former SADF soldiers as mercenaries and said that they should be arrested when they return home.

"The police have a responsibility to ensure that, when they come back, those people are arrested and the [National Prosecutions Authority] has a responsibility to charge them. There are consequences for going out of the country and provide any form of military assistance as a mercenary, not as part of the deployment by government," Mapisa-Ngqakula was quoted as saying.

Abuja has reportedly insisted that the deal had been cleared with President Jacob Zuma – and the ex-SADF soldiers now in Nigeria have likewise also insisted that their involvement was cleared at the highest echelons of the South African government, even if the defence minister did not know about it.[/b]

I never got into this discussion before. Just find it interesting that more details seem to be coming out.

Another make believe report.

Mods, transfer this to the garbage section.

Henry120:


Another make believe report.

Mods, transfer this to the garbage section.

I find such comments interesting. Why not just ignore it? Where there's smoke, there's fire. The ISS knows far more than you about the security/defence situation in Africa, and have thousands of more sources.

This report is rubbish because Henry120 says so. Okay :-)

saengine:
http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Ex-SA-soldiers-playing-major-role-in-fight-against-Boko-Haram-20150305

Ex-SA soldiers 'playing major role in fight against Boko Haram


[b]Cape Town – Former South African Defence Force soldiers are reportedly playing a major role in the fight against Boko Haram extremists in Nigeria after they were hired by the west African country.

According to the Institute for Security Studies(ISS) several ex-South African Air Force (SAAF) pilots were also participating in the war against the Islamist insurgents.The report said the South African team together with other military experts from Britain, United States and France had contributed significantly to the recent successes of the Lake Chad Basin Commission forces against Boko Haram.

"The former SADF members are definitely playing a major role in this offensive. They have been in country for a significant time already, involved in training some specialised NDF [Nigerian Defence Forces] units," a former military intelligence was quoted as saying.

Beeld reported in January that the former SA soldiers were to form the core of a multinational team of private military experts to fight Boko Haram.The report, at the time, said that the 100-strong team had been tasked with training the Nigerian military in a massive campaign against the terrorist organisation.

This came after a Nigerian presidential security adviser stated that Nigeria's campaign against Boko Haram was being hampered by "cowards" within the armed forces, signalling dissatisfaction with how the military is handling the situation.  But Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakuladismissed the so called former SADF soldiers as mercenaries and said that they should be arrested when they return home.

"The police have a responsibility to ensure that, when they come back, those people are arrested and the [National Prosecutions Authority] has a responsibility to charge them. There are consequences for going out of the country and provide any form of military assistance as a mercenary, not as part of the deployment by government," Mapisa-Ngqakula was quoted as saying.

Abuja has reportedly insisted that the deal had been cleared with President Jacob Zuma – and the ex-SADF soldiers now in Nigeria have likewise also insisted that their involvement was cleared at the highest echelons of the South African government, even if the defence minister did not know about it.[/b]

I never got into this discussion before. Just find it interesting that more details seem to be coming out.

Nothing but the truth. Nigeria's sorties are flown by mercenaries just like during yesteryears in Biafra.

There are many reports that Nigerian air force has now been outsourced to SA mercenaries. They are the ones who do the bombings not Nigerian pilots.

saengine:


I find such comments interesting. Why not just ignore it? Where there's smoke, there's fire. The ISS knows far more than you about the security/defence situation in Africa, and have thousands of more sources.

This report is rubbish because Henry120 says so. Okay :-)

Actually when it concerns Nigeria and the COIN campaign, I can categorically state that they don't.

Why don't I ignore it........... it's Nigeria they are talking about dummy, and that's very much my business.


The report is Rubbish, yes.

Henry120:


Actually when it concerns Nigeria and the COIN campaign, I can categorically state that they don't.

Why don't I ignore it........... it's Nigeria they are talking about dummy, and that's very much my business.


The report is Rubbish, yes.

Yet, without facts. Henry you will never know the secret that your country is involved in until you become the President of federal republic of Nigeria.

Henry120:


Actually when it concerns Nigeria and the COIN campaign, I can categorically state that they don't.

Why don't I ignore it........... it's Nigeria they are talking about dummy, and that's very much my business.


The report is Rubbish, yes.

You know more? Okay cool

saengine:


You know more? Okay cool

Now post that garbage make believe in it's rightful section.

A report that contradicts itself should be taken seriously

Abuja has reportedly insisted that the deal had been cleared with President Jacob Zuma – and the ex-SADF soldiers now in Nigeria have likewise also insisted that their involvement was cleared at the highest echelons of the South African government, even if the defence minister did not know about it.

Henry120:


Now post that garbage make believe in it's rightful section.

Henry you will never stop those mercenaries from operating in your own country.

Henry120:


Now post that garbage make believe in it's rightful section.

A report that contradicts itself should be taken seriously

Abuja has reportedly insisted that the deal had been cleared with President Jacob Zuma – and the ex-SADF soldiers now in Nigeria have likewise also insisted that their involvement was cleared at the highest echelons of the South African government, even if the defence minister did not know about it.

So, what is wrong with that statement? Please, kindly brief us with facts.

Henry120:


Now post that garbage make believe in it's rightful section.

A report that contradicts itself should be taken seriously

Abuja has reportedly insisted that the deal had been cleared with President Jacob Zuma – and the ex-SADF soldiers now in Nigeria have likewise also insisted that their involvement was cleared at the highest echelons of the South African government, even if the defence minister did not know about it.

How is this a contradiction?

Msauza:



Chad made such an undeniable and unprecedented progress that Nigerian forces has never achieved in their war against terror.

It was never reported because it was against the grain. The difference now is, more sophisticated equipment with night fighting capability were delivered by our friends in the East,hence the difference. Plus, it took months to plan this current offensive and you think Chad has the know how to take on thousands of BH fighters in multiple locations over a wide area?

saengine:
http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Ex-SA-soldiers-playing-major-role-in-fight-against-Boko-Haram-20150305

Ex-SA soldiers 'playing major role in fight against Boko Haram


[b]Cape Town – Former South African Defence Force soldiers are reportedly playing a major role in the fight against Boko Haram extremists in Nigeria after they were hired by the west African country.

According to the Institute for Security Studies(ISS) several ex-South African Air Force (SAAF) pilots were also participating in the war against the Islamist insurgents.The report said the South African team together with other military experts from Britain, United States and France had contributed significantly to the recent successes of the Lake Chad Basin Commission forces against Boko Haram.

"The former SADF members are definitely playing a major role in this offensive. They have been in country for a significant time already, involved in training some specialised NDF [Nigerian Defence Forces] units," a former military intelligence was quoted as saying.

Beeld reported in January that the former SA soldiers were to form the core of a multinational team of private military experts to fight Boko Haram.The report, at the time, said that the 100-strong team had been tasked with training the Nigerian military in a massive campaign against the terrorist organisation.

This came after a Nigerian presidential security adviser stated that Nigeria's campaign against Boko Haram was being hampered by "cowards" within the armed forces, signalling dissatisfaction with how the military is handling the situation.  But Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakuladismissed the so called former SADF soldiers as mercenaries and said that they should be arrested when they return home.

"The police have a responsibility to ensure that, when they come back, those people are arrested and the [National Prosecutions Authority] has a responsibility to charge them. There are consequences for going out of the country and provide any form of military assistance as a mercenary, not as part of the deployment by government," Mapisa-Ngqakula was quoted as saying.

Abuja has reportedly insisted that the deal had been cleared with President Jacob Zuma – and the ex-SADF soldiers now in Nigeria have likewise also insisted that their involvement was cleared at the highest echelons of the South African government, even if the defence minister did not know about it.[/b]

I never got into this discussion before. Just find it interesting that more details seem to be coming out.

You guys should make up your minds. First it is thecChadians doing all the fighting, now it is ex SADF mercs. So are they doing it with the Chadians?

Nigerian sent nearly 2,000 SFs to Russia for training and a significant number of them are involved in SF operations against BH.

We knew it was only a matter of time before everybody starts to claim credit for what the NA is doing after they all abandoned her and refused her equipment. Very shameful glory seekers.

rka1:


You guys should make up your minds. First it is thecChadians doing all the fighting, now it is ex SADF mercs. So are they doing it with the Chadians?

Nigerian sent nearly 2,000 SFs to Russia for training and a significant number of them are involved in SF operations against BH.

We knew it was only a matter of time before everybody starts to claim credit for what the NA is doing after they sell abandoned her sand refused her equipment. Very shameful glory seekers.

its an article by news24, you should have ignored it.

Msauza:



Nothing but the truth. Nigeria's sorties are flown by mercenaries just like during yesteryears in Biafra.

There are many reports that Nigerian air force has now been outsourced to SA mercenaries. They are the ones who do the bombings not Nigerian pilots.

What rubbish. Mercs were used in Biafra because new platforms were delivered in months without the time to train pilots. NAF have plenty of pilots that have been training in Eastern Europe for a long time and we are a already familiar with the platforms.

Let's run with your merc scenario. If they exist, they would be advisers and also flying their own helics with pintle mounted guns.

iterator24:
its an article by news24, you should have ignored it.

Its all part of the fun. I like them to humour me.

rka1:


You guys should make up your minds. First it is thecChadians doing all the fighting, now it is ex SADF mercs. So are they doing it with the Chadians?

Nigerian sent nearly 2,000 SFs to Russia for training and a significant number of them are involved in SF operations against BH.

We knew it was only a matter of time before everybody starts to claim credit for what the NA is doing after they sell abandoned her sand refused her equipment. Very shameful glory seekers.

What Nigeria is the size of a city block or what? It's impossible for Chad troops to fight in one part of your country, while Nigerian troops getting specialist training in another part?

A body like the Institute of Security Studies is a well respected research body. Members whose day to day job it is to get detailed security and defence reports/situations from around the continent. With numerous high level sources. They just woke up today and decided to make a rubbish statement just for the fun of it? Okay

Msauza:


So, what is wrong with that statement? Please, kindly brief us with facts.

which country makes a deal with the president and not the 'Presidency'? especially when it's defence related?
You guys are terrible at concocting propaganda.. that's why likes of reuters, afp, ap and what not never quotes you.
Just so you know, Uganda media claimed they have soldiers on ground as well, approved by the AU..

iterator24:
its an article by news24, you should have ignored it.

A nigerian website wrote a similar article aswell. You ignored that too. So the problem isnt the articles.

saengine:


What Nigeria is the size of a city block or what? It's impossible for Chad troops to fight in one part of your country, while Nigerian troops getting specialist training in another part?

A body like the Institute of Security Studies is a well respected research body. Members whose day to day job it is to get detailed security and defence reports/situations from around the continent. With numerous high level sources. They just woke up today and decided to make a rubbish statement just for the fun of it? Okay

100 soldiers playing a major role in a state the size of scotland...hahahaha..

rka1:


What rubbish. Mercs were used in Biafra because new platforms were delivered in months without the time to train pilots. NAF have plenty of pilots that have been training in Eastern Europe for a long time and we are a already familiar with the platforms.

Let's run with your merc scenario. If they exist, they would be advisers and also flying their own helics with pintle mounted guns.

The fact that your pilots are not trained up to standard mercenaries were needed dummy.

saengine:


A nigerian website wrote a similar article aswell. You ignored that too. So the problem isnt the articles.

all those Nigerian media referenced SA media.. quoting your defense minister specifically.

iterator24:
100 soldiers playing a major role in a state the size of scotland...hahahaha..

Yes they control the whole of your air force.

saengine:


What Nigeria is the size of a city block or what? It's impossible for Chad troops to fight in one part of your country, while Nigerian troops getting specialist training in another part?

A body like the Institute of Security Studies is a well respected research body. Members whose day to day job it is to get detailed security and defence reports/situations from around the continent. With numerous high level sources. They just woke up today and decided to make a rubbish statement just for the fun of it? Okay

Do you knows how reports on theNigerian insurgency we have seen and laughed at because of their inaccuracies? No they wouldn't have the resources if BH had focused on Chad , they would have crumbled a long time ago. They are only making progress because BH are being engaged by the NA on multiple fronts and have been degraded by months of bombardment and SF attacks that go unreported.

Unless you understand the concerted effort to discredit Nigeria from various sources and interested parties, you will continue to be misled. But we know.

Msauza:


Yes they control the whole of your air force.

they even fly our president..hahahahaha