Emusan:



Na today

An educated person who couldn't differentiate between COME UPON and LIE WITH

Do you even read the context of that scripture at all .

Mary conceived by the holyspirit ! TRUE OR FALSE ?

SO, IF the holyspirit is a person , the one who got mary Pregnant , WHO IS THE FATHER OF JESUS ?

CAPTIVATOR:

Back to the context.

You said back to the context but you never address any of my points.

Mary conceived by the holyspirit ! TRUE OR FALSE ?

SO, IF the holyspirit is a person , the one who got mary Pregnant , WHO IS THE FATHER OF JESUS ?

This is not where we started from,

Do you agree Holy spirit as a person can appear in form of Dove or Fire just as Jehovah who is a person can also appear in form of Cloud and Fire?

Beside go and check your dictionary very well about the meaning of PERSON before make any statement about it.


MODIFY:
I can see you've modified your post to Do you even read the context of that scripture at all

The context is so cleared for a good scriptural student to understand; "The Holy spirit with WILL COME UPON you," the question is what is the meaning of this Idioms COME UPON? This is where you got it wrong since it says come upon and He's a person it means He must sex Mary...SMH

Emusan:



Do you agree Holy spirit as a person can appear in form of Dove or Fire just as Jehovah who is a person can also appear in form of Cloud and Fire?

1) A person Can Never Appear IN THE BODILY FORM of a Dove . LUKE 3:22

show Me Where Jehovah appear in a BODILY FORM of any animal ?

2) " tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were DISTRIBUTED" Act 2:3 ..... A PERSON can Never be DISTRIBUTED .

Show me where Jehovah is said to be distributed on people ?



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The funny thing about you is how you always beating around the bush when facts have been presented to your open eyes.

CAPTIVATOR:
1) A person Can Never Appear IN THE BODILY FORM of a Dove . LUKE 3:22

show Me Where Jehovah appear in a BODILY FORM of any animal?

Now it is BODILY FORM not just a Dove.

Awake 2013 page 6-7 talks about Satan as “The original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, . . . is misleading the entire inhabited earth.”—Revelation 12:9. In fact there is a picture of a Snake with an image of a woman depicting Eve on the page which shows that the Satan appeared to Eve in a BODILY FORM of an Animal yet you believe Satan is a person.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102013204

I think the reasonable question to ask here is, why will HOLY SPIRIT descend in a BODILY FORM of a DOVE? Which I will leave for another day to tutor you Bible.

I can see that you purposely boycott Jehovah being appeared in FORM of CLOUD, so how can a PERSON appear in form of CLOUD?

2) " tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were DISTRIBUTED" Act 2:3 ..... A PERSON can Never be DISTRIBUTED .

Show me where Jehovah is said to be distributed on people?

So DISTRIBUTED is your another headache now.

How Jehovah or Jesus won't distribute Themselves if They will make their abode with more than 10 people who loved Him?

Emusan:


Now it is BODILY FORM not just a Dove.

Awake 2013 page 6-7 talks about Satan as “The original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, . . . is misleading the entire inhabited earth.”—Revelation 12:9. In fact there is a picture of a Snake with an image of a woman depicting Eve on the page which shows that the Satan appeared to Eve in a BODILY FORM of an Animal yet you believe Satan is a person.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102013204

The book of Job makes it clear that Satan is an Angel NOT A SNAKE, Satan only cause a snake "of the field" Gen 3:1 to speak, the same way Jehovah cause Balaam She- Ass to speak as human ( Num 22:26-31, 2pet 2:15,16)

So DISTRIBUTED is your another headache now.

How Jehovah or Jesus won't distribute Themselves if They will make abode with more than 10 people that love him ?

See reasoning ! SHOW ME WHERE JEHOVAH is said to be distributed among people ?

This topic has been flogged over and over again on NL before. The trinity co-equality is hoax. The Father is not the Son the Son is not the Father the Holy Spirit is more like a force nature and attribute of God, the Holy Spirit can only be of God it proceeds from God who in his nature is a spirit...it was this very spirit that Christ was Anointed with. The bible also made it clear that "it pleases God for His spirit to dwell fully in bodily form of Christ"


Shalom Aleikhem le'makhbir

Before coming to earth, the only-begotten Son of God knew of the prophecy: The Spirit of the LORD will rest
on him-- the Spirit of wisdom
and of understanding, the
Spirit of counsel and of might,
the Spirit of the knowledge and
fear of the LORD--( Isa. 11:2) Jehovah’s words came true. The Gospel record states
what happened immediately
after Jesus’ baptism: “Now
Jesus, full of holy spirit, turned
away from the Jordan, and he
was led about by the spirit in the wilderness.” (Luke 4:1)

Key words : full of holy spirit (some translation use "filled with holy spirit"

It was after jesus was filled with holy spirit that he perfomed all the powerful works and wise counsels that he gave .

The holy spirit is a powerful active force able to reside in a person , and not a person .

The Scriptures make clear
that the holy spirit is a force that God uses to accomplish his will.
When the angel Gabriel
announced to Mary that she
would have a son even though
she was a virgin, the angel told
her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son.” ( Luke1:35)
According to Gabriel’s
words, there is a link between
the holy spirit and the “power of the Most High.”
A similar idea appears
elsewhere in the Bible. The
prophet Micah said: “I myself
have become full of power, with the spirit of Jehovah.” ( Micah 3:
Jesus promised his disciples: “You will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you.” ( Acts 1:
And the apostle Paul spoke of
“the power of holy spirit.”—
Romans 15:13, 19.
So, what may we conclude
from the foregoing? There is a
close connection between the
holy spirit and the power of God.
The holy spirit is the means by
which Jehovah exerts his
power. Put simply, the holy spirit is God’s applied power, or his active force. And what a force that is! We cannot comprehend the power needed to create the entire universe. Through the prophet Isaiah, Jehovah suggested that we reflect on the following: “Raise your eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them
even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing.”—
Isaiah 40:26.
Thus the Bible indicates that
the universe in all its order and
harmony exists thanks to the
“dynamic energy,” or power, of
Almighty God. Clearly, God’s
active force is immense, and our own existence depends on it.
Holy spirit pours forth from
Jehovah in limitless supply. It is God’s power in action.
God’s holy spirit is endlessly versatile. Jehovah can use it to carry out any purpose that he has in mind. Aptly, then,
in the Bible, God’s spirit is
figuratively called his “finger,” his “strong hand,” or his
“outstretched arm.” (Luke 11:20; Deuteronomy 5:15; Psalm 8:3 ) Just as a man
might apply his hand to a wide
range of tasks requiring varying degrees of strength or finesse, so God can use his spirit to accomplish any purpose—such as creating the infinitesimal atom or parting the Red Sea or enabling first-century Christians to speak in foreign tongues.

The holy spirit is not a person , its an active force.

Nathan confroted David about his sins. To David’s credit, he did
not deny his guilt. He did not
lash out against the prophet
Nathan. He did not blame others
or offer excuses for what he had
done. Confronted with his sins,
David accepted responsibility,
saying: “I have sinned against
Jehovah.” ( 2 Samuel 12:13)
Psalm 51 shows the anguish of
his guilt and the depth of his repentance. He pleaded with
Jehovah: “Do not throw me
away from before your face; and
your holy spirit O do not take
away from me.” He believed that
Jehovah, in his mercy, would not
despise “a heart broken and
crushed” over sin. ( Psalm
51:11, 17) David continued to
rely on God’s spirit. While Jehovah did not shield David
from the bitter consequences of
his sin, he forgave him.

holy spirit belongs to God , it itself is not a God .

CAPTIVATOR:

The book of Job makes it clear that Satan is an Angel NOT A SNAKE,

Then who says Satan is a SNAKE?
Did the verse you quoted about Holy spirit says Holy spirit is a DOVE?

Satan only cause a snake "of the field" Gen 3:1 to speak, the same way Jehovah cause Balaam She- Ass to speak as human ( Num 22:26-31, 2pet 2:15,16)

Whereas the curse went straight to the serpent and not on the being who spoke through it. This is a pure lie in the face of the scripture after I quoted YOUR OWN BOOK who CALLED Satan [size=14pt]“The original serpent,[/size] the one called Devil and Satan, . . . is misleading the entire inhabited earth.”—Revelation 12:9.

Here JWs called Satan THE ORIGINAL SERPENT not THE ONE THAT SPEAKS THROUGH SERPENT.

In fact the way you've exposed yourself little knowledge about scriptures is enough for you to open your mind towards the truth.

See reasoning ! SHOW ME WHERE JEHOVAH is said to be distributed among people?

I wonder how you always put your reasoning into action,

Can Jehovah make His abode with more than two people? which Bible confirmed that He can, if yes! then what does that mean?

Another thing is you take the word DISTRIBUTED which is as a result of the translation you used but reading another translation you can get what the writer is saying.

Finally, I don't even need to argue with you much because I'm about to open a thread about JWs and Holy spirit but let me just show you a piece of it here how JWs lack scriptural knowledge.

[size=14pt]"Now Jehovah* is the Spirit,+[/size] and where the spirit of Jehovah* is, there is freedom.+ 18 And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah,* are transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another,* exactly as it is done by Jehovah* the Spirit.* 2 Corin 3:17-18 NWT (Bold and underline, mine)

So the Bible confirmed by NWT called THE SPIRIT Jehovah, is Jehovah a force?

Your rejection to this will not only ridiculous but expose you more.

Maamin:
This topic has been flogged over and over again on NL before. The trinity co-equality is hoax. The Father is not the Son the Son is not the Father the Holy Spirit is more like a force nature and attribute of God, the Holy Spirit can only be of God it proceeds from God who in his nature is a spirit...it was this very spirit that Christ was Anointed with. The bible also made it clear that "it pleases God for His spirit to dwell fully in bodily form of Christ"


Shalom Aleikhem le'makhbir

And yet ISLAMIC Scholars take Holy spirit to be Angel Jibri, so you mean Jibri is of God, Jesus was anointed with Jibri and Jibri dwell inside Jesus?

Never leave your young maiden around the spirit. It will finish her for you. Just ask Joseph. He couldn't satisfy his chicka anymore.

Emusan:


And yet ISLAMIC Scholars take Holy spirit to be Angel Jibri, so you mean Jibri is of God, Jesus was anointed with Jibri and Jibri dwell inside Jesus?

So sad that you must have thought that I am a Muslim...in as much as this nature of God can be personified the holy spirit is not Angel Jibril


Shalom Aleikhem

The Holy Spirit is real, very real. He is a mysterious, powerful, dedicated entity who fills the world with love and light and spreads the Word of God everywhere He go. This is the little He permitted me to see and testified about Him.
Seeing is believing.

Emusan, there is no need to degenerate to veiled insults and name calling just to prove a spiritual point. It makes you come across as being arrogant or proud, and these are not christianly characters. Please take it easy, there is no need to go overboard here.

We could argue for a century on the semantics of the Trinity - is it one 'who', three 'whats' or one 'what', three 'whos', etc, etc. But most of our arguments stem from our limited perception of what a person is. A person DOES not have to have a body or fleshly covering. When we start wandering into such technicalities, we enter confusions such as the kind that asks if Mary was physically impregnated. A person has a mind that thinks, a heart (not the blood pumping muscle) that feels and a will that acts. God meets this qualification, though He is described as being spirit. Satan also meets this qualification, which is why he is held accountable for the evil he does, just the way you hold the person who stabbed guilty of murder and not the knife he held as the knife has no personality of its own.

One sure fire way to understand the demarcation between the Godhead is in the place of prayer - you have the Holy Spirit that teaches us what to pray, Christ whose name in which we submit our requests and the Father who hears and addresses our petitions.

Emusan:


Then who says Satan is a SNAKE?

Good! So dont ever again use him to defend something that could appear in a dove bodily form AND NEVER In Human appearance ! Luk 3:22

Did the verse you quoted about Holy spirit says Holy spirit is a DOVE?

EXACT dove Bodily form, Infact John bear witness saying " I VIEW the spirit coming down as a DOVE out of heaven, and it remained upon him" John 1:33.

Whereas the curse went straight to the serpent and not on the being who spoke through it. This is a pure lie in the face of the scripture after I quoted YOUR OWN BOOK who CALLED Satan [size=14pt]“The original serpent,[/size] the one called Devil and Satan, . . . is misleading the entire inhabited earth.”—Revelation 12:9.

Here JWs called Satan THE ORIGINAL SERPENT not THE ONE THAT SPEAKS THROUGH SERPENT.

Gen 3:14 shows that the creature that speak to Eve was one of the already created " wild beast of the field" " an animal" - (Gen 3:14)

WHILE

Satan is not a snake like u agreed above , REV 12:9 symbolically (( Revelation is presented in symbols/signs (1:1)) portray Satan as a dragon and serpent because he was the power behind the particular " animal ... wild beast of the field " that spoke to Eve ( Gen 3:14)

I wonder how you always

Can Jehovah make His abode with more than two people? which Bible confirmed that He can, if yes! then what does that mean?

" the eyes of Jehovah are everywhere, watching both the bad and THE GOOD " Prov 15:3

Another thing is you take the word DISTRIBUTED which is as a result of the translation you used but reading another translation you can get what the writer is saying.

VERY CLEAR " and were DISTRIBUTED, and ONE came to rest on EACH OF THEM" Act 2:3

Finally, I don't even need to argue with you much because I'm about to open a thread about JWs and Holy spirit but let me just show you a piece of it here h

[size=14pt]"Now Jehovah* is the Spirit,+[/size] and where the spirit of Jehovah* is, there is freedom.+ 18 And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah,* are transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another,* exactly as it is done by Jehovah* the Spirit.* 2 Corin 3:17-18 NWT (Bold and underline, mine)

So the Bible confirmed by NWT called THE SPIRIT Jehovah, is Jehovah a force?

Your rejection to this will not only ridiculous but expose you more.

- Father Jehovah God is the Spirit ! Is this refferin to Father Jehovah as same with holyspirit ? NO! Why ? The verse immediately separates the holyspirit when it said " the SPIRIT OF Jehovah"

NOTE: ANYTHING that is OF or FROM Somethin else Cannot BE that Same something .

Father and the SON Cannot Be SAME Person.

...........

Jehovah is the Spirit, INFACT Jesus already said Jehovah God is a Spirit , Even the scripture said Christ Jesus is " a ... Spirit" 1 Cor 15:45.

This two whom are adressed with a PERSONAL NAME Which Showed they ar persons are called Spirit because they have a " Spiritual Body" or " heavenly body"1 Cor 15:40,45.

MEANWHLE, Eze 1:26 Jehovah is said have "the appearance of a man" NOT likeness of a Dove , it also state further that he sits on a THRONE .

MR. This beg the questions. And pls answer it for this thread

1) UNLIKE Father Jehovah, why does the holyspirit not have a throne if its a person ?

2) why is the holyspirit NEVER descrbed as having the appearance of a man, whereas it bears the likeness of a dove ?

3) as discussed above , according to Proverb
30:4, God has a personal name , His Son also have a personal name .... Why dont the holyspirit have a personal name if its a person ?

God is Spirit and yes God is powerful.
The Holy Spirit is God
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit...

It's the Spirit that is God, of course the Holy Spirit is powerful but the Holy Spirit is not a power, He is God.

Blasphemy against the Holt Spirit will never be forgiven,
yet some say He is not God.

If God is Spirit, and He is,
then the Holy Spirit is God, as my neice would say, duh.

We are fortunate, we who don't preach that the Holy spirit is not God,
and we who don't preach that Jesus is not God.
How can they think they are Christians when they believe that a mere man or a mere angel is the Saviour of the world.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Sectarian fellowships have this in common: they all believe what they are told to believe from men.

- Father Jehovah God is the Spirit ! Is this refferin to Father Jehovah as same with holyspirit ? NO! Why ? The verse immediately separates the holyspirit when it said " the SPIRIT OF Jehovah"

Is the Spirit of Jehovah not Holy
or is Jehovah the Holy Spirit
of whom blasphemy against is not forgiven

Jesus (while a man) said you can blaspheme me
but you cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit and be forgiven
surely the Holy Spirit is Jehovah, who is God, who is Spirit

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
It's the Holy Spirit that gives us liberty - freedom

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
It's the Holy spirit that changes us.

Father and the Word are God
Father and the Word are Spirit
The Holy Spirit is God

CAPTIVATOR:
Good! So dont ever again use him to defend something [size=14pt]that could appear in a dove bodily form[/size] AND NEVER In Human appearance ! Luk 3:22

This is the reason why it look as if I'm harsh in my comment when you leave the main POINT and addressed another thing.

I can still see where you're missing it, Satan is not a SNAKE BUT SATAN appeared in a BODILY FORM of a SNAKE yet Satan is a PERSON.

In your own statement @bolded you said "could APPEAR in a DOVE bodily form" which means The Holy Spirit is not a DOVE BUT ONLY APPEAR AS A DOVE which we can see Satan who is also a person does.

EXACT dove Bodily form, Infact John bear witness saying " I VIEW the spirit coming down as a DOVE out of heaven, and it remained upon him" John 1:33.

Is The Holy spirit a DOVE or only APPEAR in a BODILY FORM of a DOVE?

You're stressing this far because my main point here is to prove that Holy spirit being appeared in a BODILY FORM of a DOVE doesn't deny His PERSON, hope you can get my point now?

Gen 3:14 shows that the creature that speak to Eve was one of the already created " wild beast of the field" " an animal" - (Gen 3:14)

WHILE

Satan is not a snake like u agreed above , REV 12:9 symbolically (( Revelation is presented in symbols/signs (1:1)) portray Satan as a dragon and serpent because he was the power behind the particular " animal ... wild beast of the field " that spoke to Eve ( Gen 3:14)

So do you also agree that The Holy spirit is also the POWER behind the animal 'DOVE' not that The Holy spirit is a DOVE.

Now if Holy spirit can assume the form of DOVE or FIRE, do you mean He can't assume the form of MAN?

" the eyes of Jehovah are everywhere, watching both the bad and THE GOOD " Prov 15:3

Then this teaches us that's how Jehovah makes His abode with those who LOVED Him, right?

VERY CLEAR " and were DISTRIBUTED, and ONE came to rest on EACH OF THEM" Act 2:3

The funny thing is that you never even take into consideration of the PLURALITY and SINGULARITY of these verses

"And there appeared unto them tongues (PLURAL) parting asunder, like as of fire; and it sat upon each one of them. 4 And they were (PLURAL) all filled with the Holy Spirit (SINGULAR), and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:3-4 ASV (Bracket words mine)

After the TONGUES (plural) appeared and sat upon THEM (Plural) then they (plural) were all filled with Holy spirit (singular), and you couldn't know that this is what we called OMNIPRESENT.

[size=14pt]-Father Jehovah God is the Spirit ! Is this refferin to Father Jehovah as same with holy spirit? NO![/size] Why? The verse immediately separates the holyspirit when it said " the SPIRIT OF Jehovah"

The bolded above is so sad that's why I said earlier that "Your rejection to this will not only ridiculous but expose you more."

THE SPIRIT in that verse is what? Remember you agree that Father Jehovah IS THE SPIRIT.

Can you see what I'm saying? So THE SPIRIT is not the same as HOLY SPIRIT, I can't stop laughing.

NOTE: ANYTHING that is OF or FROM Somethin else Cannot BE that Same something .

Father and the SON Cannot Be SAME Person.

The Spirit of Jehovah can be written as Jehovah's Spirit or His Spirit (which means POSSESSION), so what that verse is saying is The Holy Spirit is Jehovah or Jehovah is THE SPIRIT.

Jehovah is the Spirit, INFACT Jesus already said Jehovah God is a Spirit , Even the scripture said Christ Jesus is " a ... Spirit" 1 Cor 15:45.

Please you need more understanding on English language, DEFINITE Article (THE) is different and used in different way from INDEFINITE article (a, an)

God is A spirit different from God is THE spirit, OK!

This two whom are adressed with a PERSONAL NAME Which Showed they are persons are called Spirit because they have a " Spiritual Body" or " heavenly body"1 Cor 15:40,45.

They were called a Spirit (which means they don't have HUMAN BODY) according to the your quote but not THE SPIRIT.

MEANWHLE, Eze 1:26 Jehovah is said have "the appearance of a man" NOT likeness of a Dove , it also state further that he sits on a THRONE .

MR. This beg the questions. And pls answer it for this thread

1) UNLIKE Father Jehovah, why does the holyspirit not have a throne if its a person ?

2) why is the holyspirit NEVER descrbed as having the appearance of a man, whereas it bears the likeness of a dove ?

3) as discussed above , according to Proverb
30:4, God has a personal name , His Son also have a personal name .... Why dont the holyspirit have a personal name if its a person?

I don't want to prolong the issue I only want this answer from you.

Jehovah is THE SPIRIT, is Jehovah a force?

johnw74:



Is the Spirit of Jehovah not Holy
or is Jehovah the Holy Spirit
of whom blasphemy against is not forgiven


2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
It's the Holy Spirit that gives us liberty - freedom

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
It's the Holy spirit that changes us.

Father and the Word are God
Father and the Word are Spirit
The Holy Spirit is God

Blind argument that shoot you in the leg
Scripture says the Father alone is NAMED Jehovah (Psalm 83:18) And We Are Told That Is Nature is spiritual " God IS Spirit" Joh 4:24

So u deduce from 2cor 3:17 that the Father is the holyspirit , then the TRINITY collapse on this platform since this proves they ar not distinct from each other as the trinity agree.

Next ..

CANTICLES:

Blind argument that shoot you in the leg
Scripture says the Father alone is NAMED Jehovah (Psalm 83:18) And We Are Told That Is Nature is spiritual " God IS Spirit" Joh 4:24

[size=14pt]So u deduce from 2cor 3:17 that the Father is the holyspirit,[/size] then the TRINITY collapse on this platform since this proves they ar not distinct from each other as the trinity agree.

Next ..

No we don't deduce from 2 Corin 3:17 but what the verse says.

Now that Jehovah said to be THE SPIRIT, is The Spirit a force?

OR you agree with your brother that THE SPIRIT is different from HOLY SPIRIT.

Emusan

You're stressing this far because my main point here
is to prove that
BODILY FORM of a DOVE doesn't deny His
PERSON, hope you can get my point now?

If thats the case , U missed it for the following reasons



- if the “spirit of truth” in John 14:17 is a person, then
“the spirit of error” in 1 John 4:6 must also be a
person, since the two are directly contrasted. The fact is
that each “spirit” represents an influence or a power
under which a person acts, but neither is a person in
Itself.


- 1 Corinthians 2:12 directly opposes the “spirit of the
world” with “the spirit which is of God.” As the “spirit of
the world” is not a person separate from “the world,”
neither is the “spirit of God” a person separate from
God. Each is an influence emanating from a source that
produces certain attitudes, behaviors or “fruit.”

I don't want to prolong the issue I only want this
answer from you.
Jehovah is THE SPIRIT, is Jehovah a force?

" our Father in heaven, let your name be sanctified" Matt 6:9 ,

This words prove that Father Jehovah lives in " heaven, his established place of dwelling" 1 king 8:43 ,

Jesus went to heaven and appear before Jehovah God on his throne ( Heb 9:24, Eze 1:26) . THIS SHOWS HE IS A PERSON . Even You Urself Knows That .

In 2 Cor 3:17 we read that " Jehovah IS THE SPIRIT" , and yet we also read the " SPIRIT OF Jehovah " .

If u think this verse says Jehovah is the holyspirit, then spirit of Jehovah means " spirit of holyspirit" . And luke 11:13 will say " the holyspirt will give you his holyspirit" DO U JUST SEE That absurdity of such interpretation? It doesnt make any sense .

The truth is that the word "Spirit" is used in the scriptures to mean diferent things

1) Wind

2) The active Breath of life in all livin things

3) the force that influence a persons behaviour e.g spirit of the world

4) inspired expression originatin from an invisible source e.g spirit of error

5) SPIRIT PERSONS ( God, Christ and the Angels , John 4:24, 2 Cor 3:17)

6) God own free gift of holy spirit ( luke 11:13, Act 2:38)

In the light of this, let us reason about this 3 questions

1) UNLIKE Father Jehovah, why does the holyspirit
not have a throne if its a person ?

2) why is the holyspirit NEVER descrbed as having
the appearance of a man, whereas it bears the
likeness of a dove ?

3) as discussed above , according to Proverb
30:4, God has a personal name , His Son also have
a personal name .... Why dont the holyspirit have a
personal name if its a person ?

Weah96:
Never leave your young maiden around the spirit. It will finish her for you. Just ask Joseph. He couldn't satisfy his chicka anymore.

Weah , Chai ! well, the Angels that did such a thing and impregnate ladies are actually spirit persons, ... But the holyspirit is not a person na, so hw can that ur above "finish her for you" statement be possible ?

CANTICLES:

Blind argument that shoot you in the leg
Scripture says the Father alone is NAMED Jehovah (Psalm 83:18) And We Are Told That Is Nature is spiritual " God IS Spirit" Joh 4:24

So u deduce from 2cor 3:17 that the Father is the holyspirit , [size=25] then the TRINITY collapse on this platform since this proves they ar not distinct from each other as the trinity agree.
[/size]

Next ..

You are right, It really collapse .


And what happened to your phone , cos u are rarely seen online on whatsapp dis days ?

One problem you have is how you ALWAYS boycott points when FACTS are being presented to you, you will just quote the one you can still fool yourself with.

If you look back to where I first quote you it's so obvious that you've left the main point.

1) You claimed Holy spirit is not a person because He appeared as DOVE and FIRE, I countered you that then The Father is not a person since He also appeared as FIRE and CLOUD

2) You claimed Holy spirit is PERSONIFIED with a reference to some verses where trees or stone are to be TALKING, I countered this by telling you that The Holy spirit has MIND and EMOTIONS.

3) You went ahead to hold on to the idioms 'COME UPON' without even know the meaning of the idioms.

and many claims you've claimed and I've debunked here.

But you buried all these as if you're not the one who started it all NOW if all these points are true about The Holy spirit then WHY IS HOLY SPIRIT NOT A PERSON?

CAPTIVATOR:


If thats the case , U missed it for the following reasons

- if the “spirit of truth” in John 14:17 is a person, then
“the spirit of error” in 1 John 4:6 must also be a
person, since the two are directly contrasted. The fact is
that each “spirit” represents an influence or a power
under which a person acts, but neither is a person in
Itself.


- 1 Corinthians 2:12 directly opposes the “spirit of the
world” with “the spirit which is of God.” As the “spirit of
the world” is not a person separate from “the world,”
neither is the “spirit of God” a person separate from
God. Each is an influence emanating from a source that
produces certain attitudes, behaviors or “fruit.”

This is what I usually say you always miss the point which is just a desperate not to accept the truth.

This is my post that you quoted "You're stressing this far because my main point here is to prove that BODILY FORM of a DOVE doesn't deny His PERSON, hope you can get my point now?

Here I'm talking about how your point about Holy spirit being descended in a BODILY FORM of a DOVE doesn't disprove His person but just check your reply to this whether there's any correlation.

You shifted the point from BODILY FORM to SPIRIT OF TRUTH.

"our Father in heaven, let your name be sanctified" Matt 6:9 ,

This words prove that Father Jehovah lives in " heaven, his established place of dwelling" 1 king 8:43 ,

Jesus went to heaven and appear before Jehovah God on his throne ( Heb 9:24, Eze 1:26) . THIS SHOWS HE IS A PERSON . Even You Urself Knows That.

So where does Holy spirit come from earth or heaven?

"And John bare witness, saying, [size=14pt]I have beheld the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven;[/size] and it abode upon him. John 1:31 ASV

In 2 Cor 3:17 we read that " Jehovah IS THE SPIRIT" , and yet we also read the " SPIRIT OF Jehovah " .

[size=14pt]If u think this verse says Jehovah is the holyspirit,[/size] then spirit of Jehovah means " spirit of holyspirit" . And luke 11:13 will say " the holyspirt will give you his holyspirit" DO U JUST SEE That absurdity of such interpretation? It doesnt make any sense.

Is THE SPIRIT and HOLY SPIRIT the same, Yes or No?
You never answer this question which I can see you're dodging Jehovah is THE SPIRIT, please which SPIRIT?
The only absurdity here is the interpretation you can come with which an ordinary English student should know that such phrase can never be constructed in such way.

The truth is that the word "Spirit" is used in the scriptures to mean diferent things

1) Wind

2) The active Breath of life in all livin things

3) the force that influence a persons behaviour e.g spirit of the world

4) inspired expression originatin from an invisible source e.g spirit of error

5) SPIRIT PERSONS ( God, Christ and the Angels , John 4:24, 2 Cor 3:17)

[size=14pt]6) God own free gift of holy spirit ( luke 11:13, Act 2:38)[/size]

Imaging you've grouped 2 Corin 3:17 to mean SPIRIT PERSON, just shaking my head seriously for you

NOTE: The definite article must be put into consideration.

The verse says Jehovah is THE SPIRIT

In the light of this, let us reason about this 3 questions

1) UNLIKE Father Jehovah, why does the holyspirit
not have a throne if its a person?

2) why is the holyspirit NEVER described as having
the appearance of a man, whereas it bears the
likeness of a dove ?

3) as discussed above , according to Proverb
30:4, God has a personal name , His Son also have
a personal name .... Why dont the holyspirit have a
personal name if its a person?

All these your questions can never be looking into without solving those questions above.



Let me show you another reason why JWs are wrong about the PERSON of THE Holy spirit.

In link I provided yesterday about Satan from Jws.org the following statement was said;

WHAT PEOPLE SAY
Some believe that Satan the Devil is not a person but, rather, the abstract quality of evil that exists inside each person

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
Satan is a real person. He is a rebel angel, a spirit creature who opposes God. The Bible calls Satan “the ruler of this world.” (John 12:31) He uses “lying signs” and “deception” to accomplish his aims.—2 Thessalonians 2:9, 10.

Now after this they went ahead to make this conclusion; The Bible records a conversation in heaven between Satan and God. If Satan were a mere symbol of the evil that exists inside each person, [size=14pt]how could God, who is perfect and morally unblemished, have been talking to an evil part of himself?[/size] (Deuteronomy 32:4; Job 2:1-6) Clearly, Satan is a real person and not merely a personification of evil.(Bold mine)

Now this is very interesting because if God couldn't have been talking to an evil part of himself (NOTE: I'm not saying Satan is not a person BUT I'm only taking the point that GOD can't be talking to himself) will it deem it fit for God to be talking to Himself as of the Holy spirit when we read in the Bible that "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; [size=14pt]but what things soever he shall hear, [these] shall he speak:[/size] and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come." John 16:13 ASV (Bold and underline mine)

Or is this one PERSONIFICATION too?

So if Holy spirit is a force that comes from God, how can God be talking to the force inside Him?

You can see that JWs never study the PERSON of Holy spirit very well before they make their conclusion, is not even new since they deny most fact in the Bible.

Emusan

I countered you that
1) You claimed Holy spirit is not a person because
He appeared as DOVE and FIRE,
then The Father is not a person since He also
appeared as FIRE and CLOUD

His Majesty explained In Psalm 97:2 that though he is surrounded by Cloud and Fire , His throne is firmly established !

WHY is the holyspirit never said to have a throne, if its a person ? ANSWER

2) You claimed Holy spirit is PERSONIFIED with a
reference to some verses where trees or stone are to
be TALKING,
I countered this by telling you that The
Holy spirit has MIND and EMOTIONS.

Such Personification is common in the scriptures
' the waters are AFRAID' Psalm 77:16

The shining sun is " Ashamed" Isa 24:23

"Howbeit
When he, the Spirit of truth , is come, he shall guide
you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from
himself;but what things soever he shall
hear, [these] shall he speak:and he shall
Declare unto you the things that are to come." John
16:13 ASV (Bold and underline mine)
Or is this one PERSONIFICATION too?

Exactly, [size=24]thats why it was contrasted with the spirit of error in 1 john 4:6[/size], unless you are ready to tell me the spirit of error is a person ?

CAPTIVATOR:


His Majesty explained In Psalm 97:2 that though he is surrounded by Cloud and Fire , His throne is firmly established !

WHY is the holyspirit never said to have a throne, if its a person ? ANSWER




Such Personification is common in the scriptures
' the waters are AFRAID' Psalm 77:16

The shining sun is " Ashamed" Isa 24:23



Exactly, [size=24]thats why it was contrasted with the spirit of error in 1 john 4:6[/size], [color=#000099]unless you are ready to tell me the spirit of error is a person ?[/color]

Nice qweshun @ blue letters

JahzaraAde:


YESSSSSSS!!! Someone who understands that the practice of screaming random words whilst having an epileptic-like seizure on the floor is NOT a work of the Spirit. It's heretical to brand such behaviour as a working of the spirit. Tongues refer to actual LANGUAGES, and in Acts 2, it was a means to spread the gospel, and it edified the church too.

Now, I'm not a cessationalist (one who believes the gift of the tongues ceases to exist due to the closing of the canon), however I do believe that this gift is HORRIBLY ABUSED in many modern day churches, especially in and within Pentecostal gatherings.

Pls let us take the workings and authenticity of the Holy Spirit without levity and with the upmost reverence. The Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity and so therefore is God.

Deaconess

CANTICLES:

Scripture says the Father alone is NAMED Jehovah (Psalm 83:18)

That scripture say's that the most high God is Jehovah
that is God and the Word
Psa 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
is not talking about one person of the Godhead but about the one God.

And We Are Told That Is Nature is spiritual

??

God IS Spirit" Joh 4:24

Yes God is the Holy Spirit
perhaps you must think His Spirit is not Holy
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
God said He is Holy
God is Spirit
God is the Holy Spirit

So u deduce from 2cor 3:17 that the Father is the holyspirit , then the TRINITY collapse on this platform since this proves they ar not distinct from each other as the trinity agree.

It would be helpful if you quoted others accurately
Jehovah is a name of God
I deduced that God who is spirit is the Holy Spirit

Blind argument that shoot you in the leg

Stay away from guns.

You've boycott that 2 Corin 3:17 again

Jehovah is THE SPIRIT

Because Holy spirit is THE SPIRIT according to the scripture.

CAPTIVATOR:
His Majesty explained In Psalm 97:2 that though he is surrounded by Cloud and Fire , His throne is firmly established!

WHY is the holyspirit never said to have a throne, if its a person? ANSWER

You're always making off point.

Jehovah appeared as CLOUD and FIRE does that mean Jehovah is not a PERSON? You must first agree before I will further here.

Does being appear in a form disprove something to be a person? THIS IS YOUR FIRST ERROR now you've shifted it to HAVING A THRONE which you never agree that you're wrong in the first place.

Such Personification is common in the scriptures
' the waters are AFRAID' Psalm 77:16
The shining sun is " Ashamed" Isa 24:23

Does anything that has MIND not a person? that's the point.

And I'll show you the meaning of PERSON from different dictionary.

Exactly, [size=24]thats why it was contrasted with the spirit of error in 1 john 4:6[/size], unless you are ready to tell me the spirit of error is a person?

You didn't address my point here rather you attach straw man, [size=14pt]DO YOU MEAN Jehovah is talking to Himself when He speaks to the Holy spirit?[/size] according to John 16:13

It's only a perverted mind like you will read 1 John 4 and said it's not talking about person.

Now let's read it from the beginning, you know you always cry about context.

1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: [size=14pt]3 and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is the [spirit] of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already.[/size] 4 ¶ Ye are of God, [my] little children, and have overcome them: [size=14pt]because greater is he (The Holy spirit) that is in you than he (The Antichrist/False prophet) that is in the world. 5 They (The Antichrist/false prophets) are of the world: therefore speak they (The Antichrist/false prophets) [as] of the world, and the world heareth them.[/size] 6 We (The true prophets) are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he who is not of God heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth (The Holy spirit), and the spirit of error (The spirit of Antichrist/Satan). 1 John 4:1-6 ASV (Bold and insertions mine)

Who is causing ERROR? It's Satan!

The point Apostle John was making here is since we have the SPIRIT of God which is Holy spirit then will can differentiate between the FALSE PROPHETS and the TRUE PROPHETS


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let me add to your confusion even though I know you'll dodge it again.

"14 That one will glorify me,+ because he will receive from what is mine (Jesus) and will declare it to you."+ John 16:14 NWT
"He will bring me glory by telling you whatever he receives from me (Jesus)." (NLT)
"He will honor and glorify Me, because He will take of (receive, draw upon) what is Mine and will reveal (declare, disclose, transmit) it to you." AMP (Bold, underline & insertion mine)

The Spirit will RECEIVE from JESUS, how come?

Let me repeat those 2 questions he asked again

1) why is the holyspirit NEVER said to have a throne if its a person ? Psalm 97:2



2) the spirit of truth was directly compared with spirit of error in 1JOH 4:6, is the SPIRIT OF ERROR a person ?

Emusan

Who is causing ERROR? Its Satan!

The question is not who cause ? , it goes thus " is the spirit OF Error itself a person ? "