praxisnetworks:
you are courting trouble....going through the thread its very clear you started throwing the insults ab initio...so why complain if the other person responds....he who beats a war drum must brace hiimself up ....to receive the dancers!

Kindly peruse the thread again. Who called the other delusional ignorant and a con? Who accused the other of leading people astray? Looking for co travelers in misery? Where I lost it is where he again refered to @Ikenna351 as a con. Now I have courted trouble and beat the war drums. Join the fray. The more the merrier.

Raymie:


This Ikenna that @Smartchoice and @Abatically take pleasure in deriding, despite his apparent inclinations does treat other brands and models on their merit.

I didn't insult anyone,and if there is anyone on this forum who is overly biased, emotional and ove r sentimental then it is that person u are defending. He treats other models on their merits? Ha ha, I laugh. U probably missed all his past posts where he calls everyone driving an automatic shift car dummies just because his beloved Peugeots normally come with manual shifts, or those his posts where he blasted anything Japanese especially Toyota. This same person will hide any posts that contradicts or sees things differently as him just because he is a moderator. Though recently he has kept his calm when he got lots of criticism.

no time kid...

Raymie:

Kindly peruse the thread again. Who called the other delusional ignorant and a con? Who accused the other of leading people astray? Looking for co travelers in misery? Where I lost it is where he again refered to @Ikenna351 as a con. Now I have courted trouble and beat the war drums. Join the fray. The more the merrier.

well said.

abatically:


I didn't insult anyone,and if there is anyone on this forum who is overly biased, emotional and ove r sentimental then it is that person u are defending. He treats other models on their merits? Ha ha, I laugh. U probably missed all his past posts where he calls everyone driving an automatic shift car dummies just because his beloved Peugeots normally come with manual shifts, or those his posts where he blasted anything Japanese especially Toyota. This same person will hide any posts that contradicts or sees things differently as him just because he is a moderator. Though recently he has kept his calm when he got lots of criticism.

abatically:


I didn't insult anyone,and if there is anyone on this forum who is overly biased, emotional and ove r sentimental then it is that person u are defending. He treats other models on their merits? Ha ha, I laugh. U probably missed all his past posts where he calls everyone driving an automatic shift car dummies just because his beloved Peugeots normally come with manual shifts, or those his posts where he blasted anything Japanese especially Toyota. This same person will hide any posts that contradicts or sees things differently as him just because he is a moderator. Though recently he has kept his calm when he got lots of criticism.

I didn't write that yhu insulted him, because yhu didn't. But yhu derided him by yhur statement. I haven't yet read him denigrating auto tranny users and while I know his bias for Peugeot is obsessive, Ikenna as long as I've been on Cartalk has never put off another car brand. At most he argues based on particular model issue. See the EOD vs 406 thread for instance.

nurey:


VW left a mark in my heart with their convertible golfs and the bora and jetta days.

I just like the aerodynamics of the passat cc looks like a state of the Art merc CLS. Why a diesel variant? Cause I want to enjoy luxury yet maintaining a good fuel economy above all I am a GREEN person

Diesel in Nigeria?... Had a 505 SRD that showed me pepper till I converted to petrol sad...

Ikenna351:


Like I pointed earlier in one of my post, when someone comes online to criticize or tell the world how passionately he hates a Peugeot, there is a history that holds the truth behind that antagonism.

Smartchoice/Smartchoices used to be a member of the WhatsApp Peugeot community I created. But just like you have seen him doing here, he was busy on the same mission in,the community. Of course, I created the community and know the aim of creating it. To bring lion owners together in the den, share joyful experiences, help each other out on issues with their lions and see each other as lions and lionesses that we are. I didn't create the community for anyone to to come and discourage anyone in the house from using Peugeot or turn the house to anti-Peugeot house. So, I removed him from the house, after a long patience with him, hoping that he would change.

So what you see him doing here is "to get back to Ikenna351" for not letting him accomplish his mission to destroy the community. So let him continue with his insults because I honestly don't feel such things anymore, after I found the power in me. I wont sacrifice that happiness I have found to stoop low to that level anymore to anyone.

Funny enough, while he and his colleagues are busy with hatred on Ikenna351 and Peugeot, I am busy moving up. For instance, Peugeot Paris, the Peugeot headquarters, knows that I, Ikenna351, exist. They have called and we have spoken. PAN knows that I, Ikenna351, also exist. I have not only met and spoke with their Management, I also chat with their ogas on personal note. Smartchoices called me a mechanic, thinking that would sound derogatory to me. Fortunately, that's a big compliment to me, honestly speaking. You know why? Because Nigerians benefit from the knowledge I have acquired on Peugeot systems. Not just Nigerians, the world. Recently in North America, people that still drive 505 V6 are asked to seek Ikenna (me) who lives in Nigeria to give solutions to their 505 V6 issues. The North American 505 community have been benefiting from me by sending money to me to buy parts and ship to them in USA and Canada. My name is world Peugeot owners lips. So, do you think I will be bothered about whatever he anyone in Nairaland thinks of me anymore?

There is something you need to understand. Even if 1 million people hates your message, there are 5 million people out there waiting to hear and accept that message. That's what happened to Jesus Christ even when his people never bothered about his existence, yet the entire world did.

And finally, I don't need to prove myself to anybody anymore, since the day I found the power I possess within me. How do I mean? When Satan tried to tempt Jesus Christ to jump off a mountain, nothing stopped Jesus Christ from doing that to prove to Satan that indeed that he posses that power. But first, he knew that there is a Law of nature against it, which is the law of gravity. He didn't need to break a law to prove himself or a point to Satan. Also he didn't need to do that to prove to Satan that yes, He is the King of Kings. My point is, whatever any human thinks of me doesn't matter to me anymore, because I have discovered that no one deserve sacrificing my happiness and I now create my reality with power in me, move up higher and higher.

I am taking my time to tell you all these because I pleaded with you earlier to ignore them. Why? People, Nigerians, are still buying Peugeots on daily basis irrespective of what few Nairaland members think of the brand. Brand new Peugeots on Abuja road are increasing every day. So don't let few uninformed get you upset because they will only end up pulling you down to their level. Because you lose when you are in sad mood, while you gain abundance in life when there is joy and happiness filling your heart. Simply, wish them well and wish for them to change from antagonistic life .

The fear of a Lion, is the beginning of wisdom.

Ikenna

You still don't get it....

SmartChoices:


Diesel in Nigeria?... Had a 505 SRD that showed me pepper till I converted to petrol sad...

The diesel won't be my only car, I will first get a stand by petrol car to supplement the diesel but I believe diesel engines are just a few things different from their petrol counter part engine and component wise.

nurey:


The diesel won't be my only car, I will first get a stand by petrol car to supplement the diesel but I believe diesel engines are just a few things different from their petrol counter part engine and component wise.

You think so?

Diesel are a different ball game, different components, different mode of operation.

Good morning everyone.

Its a lovely day to sit in, drive a Peugeot 607 or see how good this lion truly is.

Enjoy the short videos clips on 607 below:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT-CHVqwNbU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4nY5DLU2Jw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOSovFjcsJ4



Good life!


Ikenna

Now here is 607 in action:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R51YkfKBvfk

Observe how Stable the 607 was at that crazy speed. Lions are not for the fainthearted.

**Please do not try this on Nigerian road.**




Now for the petrolheads, this 607 video below is for you. Pay attention to the speedometer, tachometer and the stick gear changing. That is, the vehicle speed against the engine speed and at what gears.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vobor0LnONo

Good life can only come to you, if you let it.

Ikenna

praxisnetworks:
Peugeot 607
Worldwide Production Worldwide sales
2004 TBA 18,100[4]
2005 TBA 19,100[4]
2006 TBA 10,500[4]
2007 TBA 7,500[4]
2008 TBA 3,900[4]
2009 900 1,900[4]
2010 1,000 1,000[5]
2011 TBA 53[6]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_607

That is indeed a poor sale for a flagship car. See how sales flawed between 2006-2010 when consumers realized the car is a failure . Peugeot have made silme good Cara, but the 607 is one of their worst cars and even Mr Peugeot himself knows that.

Meanwhile Toyota are discontinuing the production of venza due to poor sales. They sold 54,000 units in their first year and sold about 30,000 units in 2014. Toyota sees the figures as unimpressive even though the venza is not a flagship car, it still sold better than lots of flagship cars. Camry sells more than 30,000 units in a month. That is a company with vision.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/03/toyota-venza-axed.html

lomomike:


You think so?

Diesel are a different ball game, different components, different mode of operation.

I know because I did AGE 4xx in school what am saying is (Hilux)the difference between diesel and petrol is known when you open the bonnet or badge of the truck. Tyres, body style, exhaust etc are all alike only the engine and engine components are different since diesel uses compression ignition and not spark ignition.

But on a serious note am I deluded to be in-love with diesel engines

nurey:


I know because I did AGE 4xx in school what am saying is (Hilux)the difference between diesel and petrol is known when you open the bonnet or badge of the truck. Tyres, body style, exhaust etc are all alike only the engine and engine components are different since diesel uses compression ignition and not spark ignition.

But on a serious note am I deluded to be in-love with diesel engines

Deluded? No!. You know what you want and not conning anyone into it.. I like that!

Good evening everyone.

Another 607 tip for tonight.

Most phase I 607 come with 2 batteries, but most people don't know or don't know their functions or failure symptoms of each of them.

The engine crank battery is in the engine bay, while the 2nd battery, Service battery, is inside the boot. The main work of the battery in engine bay is to crank and start the engine, while the service battery powers all the gadgets and some engine monitoring components. The engine crank battery symptom when it fails is well obvious, just like any other car. But the service battery has a different symptom when it fails. But because people don't read their owners manual (they assume they know all about their newly acquired cars), they suffer in ignorance when the service battery fails, because it could mess up the running of engine when failing (remember it powers some components that controls the powertrain). A simple tool like DMM that cost about N500 can tell you if the culprit is the service battery when you observe something is wrong. An understanding of tell signs (warning signs) on the MFD (for those that read their owners manual) would tell you when the service battery has failed, just like every other battery would, someday.

When you ask many people what they know about their cars, you would be surprised that all they know are what other people told them about their cars, what they found and read online about their cars. That's all. They don't know what the manufacturers said their cars are and how it should be used. They rely on information they gathered from others or read online, which most times are very wrong information. For example, some people are quoting figures they found in wikipedia as number of 607 sold since its production till it went out of production. Funny thing is, they rely on information that was not put there by Peugeot, the manufacturer /company. For the past 2-3 years, I have been receiving bulletins from PSA every quarter, clearly stating volumes of sales at every quarter and in every continent. Funny enough, information in wikipedia are put there by anything that can type, even if its not a human being. Anything can go in there and edit and type in whatever he feels he wants the world to think it is. But there is no point trying to prove one wrong , because its not worth it.

Its funny, no matter how many book you read on how to drive, you can't learn how to drive until you get into drivers seat and get to work. When you read only or rely on what you read, your knowledge is limited. You can read 100 books on how to troubleshoot a car, but until you get some tools and get to work under the bonnet, you can never know how to do it. You can read about a particular race, tribe or group of people, which you may find only how negative those people are in those books you read. But until you meet, live with, interact with one on one or spend some time with those group of people, you will not know what they truly are. You simply live in another mans opinion he formed about those people, making yourself not worthy or man enough and chose to live by other peoples approval.

My next tip on 607 will be on ES (V6) engine in 607, how to use it to last over 1 million kilometer mileage.

Thank you.


Ikenna.

We cannot take away from ikenna351 the Peugeot expertise however we must also appreciate that not all car owners are that savvy with vehicle maintenance.... Hence making vehicle models which doesn't tolerate abuse pretty unreliable when a whole lot of people falls in the not too savvy clique! Deriding Ikenna ain't a concern of mine...because there's nothing I have said that he has disagreed with.... Only he's masked my central thesis with Peugeots don't tolerate "abuse"....


BTW I still marvel at the level of knowledge at ikenna's disposal especially his knowledge about vehicles in general.

Ikenna351:


And Last time I checked, a Cub Peugeot 308 contested and beat Benz 600 S-class, last year, 2014. That explains a lot.

Ikenna

Let it contest with the light weight cla amg then you would tell a different story..S class are meant for big time luxury not contest ,who soever that took the boxy luxury S class to contest must have nutted out brain..Didn't he see the GT AMG or the sls..i tire oh. If you want contest go to the c's .. even the least of the c's, the entry point CLA 45AMG will kick da ass of the damn Peugeot 308, not even to talk of the c400 that will kiss her bye bye

However, there's nothing wrong with the Peugeot 607. Its as good as any other car when well maintained and paid attention to. You dont need to earn a 7 digit salary to be able to own it. In my street one dude of a student owns it and he maintains it well.

All you need is to understand the technology behind her and keep in conformity to it that's all.

Rule number 1. Don't mess with the electricals, because each wire carries signals which terminate at the control unit , you musn't block nor bypass such signals flow and hope that all will be well..same thing in any other vehicle in that category.

Rule 2, you must keep the terminal ends of wires sockets and fuses clean, dont mess them with water or dirt else you dance the music.

Rule 3, do proper routine maintenance , use correct oil recommended for your gearbox and engines, then you will never have any headache. dont do short cut, its isnt a mazda 323 nor toyota muscle , kas kia

Cyberknight:


When I said "does seem to be the result of deliberate intention, not omission", I meant that to be construed in line with what the Top Gear people were driving at (if you will permit the pun), i.e. that if a company like Peugeot which has a reputation for manufacturing good cars suddenly starts bringing out strings of cars with quality issues this cannot perhaps be put down to the occasional mistake, mucked-up design or QA/QC factory errors that plague all companies in all sectors. That was the thrust of their argument.

And as you pointed out, I don't take the views of the Top Gear chaps as gospel, those views are no more and no less than their own personal opinions. What I am saying is that in this instance I agree with them.

Just like i never agreed with top gear when they said that that sporty ass of Benz cla is ugly..I nearly would have slapped someone in the air ..that is just their personal opinion, good to say.

Good afternoon everyone.

I came back from work yesterday and decided to talk about ES engine in 607. While on it, I slept off. Lol!

Anyway, before i talk about the ES engine, I want to first talk about something more important that determines how you enjoy lion or regret owing one. And that is Driving Position Converted 607.

From the experience and knowledge i have gathered over the years working on 607s, about 80 percent of them that have severe issues were the ones originally were Right Hand Drive (RHD), but poorly converted to Left Hand Drive (to match Nigerian driving position). This cut accross other Lions.

If you can, please avoid converted driving position lions, if you would listen. Unless you are ready to live with the consequences and dont complain. You dont mess up or abuse factory wiring of a Peugeot car and expect a trouble-free ownership. As simple as Peugeot cars electrical systems are to me, I know how complex and mean they can be when you abuse them.

Most Nigerians that convert these lions simply cut conners, and in the process introduce headaches ECUs can handle. Almost all 607 i have worked on that were RHD-LHD converted would have some connectors left disconnected on BSI units. Reasons for that, I do not know. Their A/C systems hardly work well, because of bending or forcing RHD AC components or pipes to work in LHD side. In the process, they keep leaking gas. In fact, in most of them, they will have to bypass the factory climate control system and configure a relay outside BSI unit to power the A/C compressor, which most times would damage the BSI unit.

I know a guy here in Abuja that drives converted 407 that have replaced burnt engine ECU & BSM 3 times, because of wrong connection done during the electrical conversion that keeps burning these 2 components.

To properly convert a lion from RHD to LHD (Electrically), you will have to buy wires and patiently add/extend all wires, sockets and switches that need to move to Left side or you simply buy a complete wiring harness or 607 model been converted, considering the engine and transmission.

To cut the story short, you will have peace of mind and enjoy these Lions like I do when you go for Factory LHD. I understand that most people that own these lions dont know their original driving positions. They only rely on what dealers told them at the time of purchase. On many occassions, i had to prove to owners their original driving position of their lions which left them devastated for the deception and mistakes. I recalled the day someone brought a 607 to me. He said the lion was 2008 model. He couldnt believe me until i showed and proved to him it was 2002 model. He felt bad because the dealer that sold the lion to him lied it was 2008 model.

To make it easy for you, if you are interested in acquiring a 607 or any Lion and found one that interest you, get the VIN and send it to me to confirm from Peugeot database the true driving position and the rest for you. Its very important that you know these things before you purchase any lion. Don't rely on what a dealer told you, because he himself may not truly know or he intentionally deceiving you. Some lions can be difficult to tell it was factory LHD or RHD to a non -expert. 607 is one of them. Contact me or anyone Peugeot expert to help you know the original driving position, engine, transmission, production year, etc. Send me SMS, WhatsApp message, mail or even a call when you are in such need. I have never complained. People have been getting these informations free from me.

Peugeot cars hates abuse. If you cannot do without abusing a car, then look elsewhere, Peugeot 607 is not for you.

Will talk about the ES engine later. Thank you.

Ikenna

WhatsApp Peugeot Community

Good afternoon everyone.

One of our WhatsApp Peugeot community member produced a short video displaying few members Lions pictures.

Enjoy!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1wR23P10oY




Ikenna

Good afternoon everyone.

Since this thread is about a Peugeot car, making it an interesting Peugeot discussion, let me entertain you, or rather, feed your eyes on few Peugeot cars. Enjoy!



The Peugeot 508 full review


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCK6rD7kR1c




Peugeot 208 T16 2015 Etna volcano’s climb


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OgeggkIUR4




Peugeot 208 GTi 30th Bloggers Test Drive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcHwXMFPZYw




Peugeot Fan Days | Peugeot RCZ R Test Drive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByzGOuWOC9s



Ikenna

ES Engine (V6) in 607


The V6 engines (ES9J4S/ES9A) in 607 are PR engines (Peugeot - Renault), but also co-produced by Porsche. Imagine what an engine produced by these 3 companies would perform like. This is what enjoy in 2 of Lions with that animal under the bonnet.

I explain next how to enjoy ES9J4S and ES9A in 607 (XFX & XFV systems).

Ikenna

Coil Packs on 607 V6 engine.


The ES engine in 607 has 6 individual coil packs, works independent of each other.

The OEM coil is Sagem brand. It's easier to identify the OEM. It has black top. It's detachable. What many owners of lions with that engine don't know is that it can be refurbished,i.e., it was designed to last th lifespan of the lion. It has a diode inside, where the upper and lower parts of the coil meets when detached. The diode is very visible. Because of heat that generates on that cylinder head, the diode does fail, after some thousands of kilometers. So, all you need is to test resistance of the coil. If it fails below factory value, simply detach the coil and replace the diode which is available and cheap (about N200 or so). And that fixes the coil. Just like the Patented MacPherson shock absorber by Peugeot used in the 504 & 505 which is rebuildable. All you do when the strut fails is rekit with about N1,500 and you use it for years or thousands of km before the need to rebuild again. Only Peugeot produced rebuildable shock absorber.

But if one doesn't want to be bothered with refurbishing his ES coil, there is another option. The option is a different brand which is sealed one (not detachable). It lasts more than 100,000 km, which users have confirmed. The brand is Delphi. It has white top. Note what I said earlier about the OEM, Sagem, It has Black top, while Delphi has white top. That is, the Sagem is completely black, while Delphi top end is white in color, while the rest is in black color. Of course, the brand names is engraved on them. The Delphi will serve so long that you would forget that the engine has coils. Yes, they are that durable and reliable too. Only that, when they eventually fail, you will have to throw them away and put in another, unlike the Sagem.

Now, the Sagem coil is what owners must not discard, even when the diodes inside them fail, because if Delphi stops producing coils for ES engines in future, the Sagem can be brought back to life over and over again, so long as you still want to run the car.

Thats for the coil.


Next is ES engine timing belt.


Ikenna

What ever you do....do not I repeat do not buy a peugeot....except you have excess dough and ready 4 long hours at the mechanic shop!

praxisnetworks:
What ever you do....do not I repeat do not buy a peugeot....except you have excess dough and ready 4 long hours at the mechanic shop!

Correct guy.

praxisnetworks:
What ever you do....do not I repeat do not buy a peugeot....except you have excess dough and ready 4 long hours at the mechanic shop!

Lolest

if you disregard my advice you'd wish you'd listened n if you adhere you will always pray 4 me!

LegatusGlaber:


Lolest

ES (V6) Engine Timing Belt in 607.


Like I earlier pointed out, we have Z8 & Z9, that phase I and phase II 607 V6. Just like we have T6 & T7 in 307, D8 & D9 in 406, etc.

The Z8 V6 timing belt (ES9J4S) is to be replaced every 120,000 km or 6 years, whichever comes first. While the Z9 V6 timing belt (ES9A) are to be replaced every 180,000 km or every 9 years, whichever comes first.

Now, the interesting thing here is why do we have different timing belt replacement intervals for the 2 ES engines, when in actual fact, they are basically the same engine. One might wonder, why then did Peugeot extended the change interval in 9A? One could wonder, could it be because they realized that timing belt on this ES engines could last longer than the previous 120,000 km recommended on J4 & J4S, and then decided to extend it? The truth, the ES engine works effortlessly. The most quietest engine you could ever owned, no matter how hard you push her. Yes, its that good!. So, timing belt on this engine don't go through stress like other engines go through, hence, longer change interval.

One good thing about this V6 engine in 607 is, the only major service you can ever do on the engine is replacing the timing belt when it's due. Nothing more. Once you keep to recommended timing belt change, you will have no business with what inside the engine for number of long years of ownership. The least that could help is the attached sensors or components on the engine will overtime, gradually wear out, as mileage increases. Good thing is, these attached monitoring sensors/components are very much available in Nigeria and sell at good prices. It's normal for these engine attached sensors/components to wear out, like the oxygen sensors, spark plugs, etc.


Next to talk about is Cooling system of Peugeot 607.


Ikenna

praxisnetworks:
if you disregard my advice you'd wish you'd listened n if you adhere you will always pray 4 me!

I rock a Peugeot 406 bro and the phobia is just what it is; phobia.

Ruggedity, fuel economy, reliability, to mention but a few are the things you are missing.

Why not give it a trial bro

LegatusGlaber:


I rock a Peugeot 406 bro and the phobia is just what it is; phobia.

Ruggedity, fuel economy, reliability, to mention but a few are the things you are missing.

Why not give it a trial bro

Enjoy it while it lasts!

praxisnetworks:
What ever you do....do not I repeat do not buy a peugeot....except you have excess dough and ready 4 long hours at the mechanic shop!

While I'm not really a Peugeot fan (save for the 406), this generalisation is completely false.

Funny thing is, there is a guy in my street that has been using the 607 since I knew him (like 4 years ago), as the only car, and generally, he has what I will term 'normal car issues'. Even that one is periodical. Admittedly, he maintains well, and he reads up on his car. I know you probably have seen peugeots giving their owners lots of issues, but did those owners ever found out the reason why?

I think truth is, most of us are too lazy to find out what we need to, to keep our vehicles running. Each car is peculiar, but with right handling, most cars will run as long as you wish them to.