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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:27pm On Apr 15, 2015
Patchesagain:


So now the specific jet is the point of the argument?

Lol, where did that come from?

Fact remains, SAAF has shot down jets.

NAF has never shot down any enemy plane in its history

No air force has dared to challenge NAF, we fought border wars with Chad and Cameroon, yet they refused to fly their jets against us, so do we have to beg their air forces to take off from their airbases? NAF MiG-21 jets have invaded the airspaces of both neighbors and the enemy refused to challenge us air to air.

SAAF used 1970s Mirage F1 to sh.oot down 1950s MiG-21 jet of Cuba, but once the Cuban 1970s MiG-23 jet showed face in the war, South African pilots ran away finally after Cuba sh.ot down several SAAF Mirage F1 jets.

Means SAAF will abandon the air and park it's air superiority jets on the ground once an equal enemy appears in the air gringrin

Born cowards, die cowards....South African air force gringrin
.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 3:40pm On Apr 15, 2015
agaugust:


No air force has dared to challenge NAF, we fought border wars with Chad and Cameroon, yet they refused to fly their jets against us, so do we have to beg their air forces to take off from their airbases? NAF MiG-21 jets have invaded the airspaces of both neighbors and the enemy refused to challenge us air to air.

SAAF used 1970s Mirage F1 to sh.oot down 1950s MiG-21 jet of Cuba, but once the Cuban 1970s MiG-23 jet showed face in the war, South African pilots ran away finally after Cuba sh.ot down several SAAF Mirage F1 jets.

Means SAAF will abandon the air and park it's air superiority jets on the ground once an equal enemy appears in the air gringrin

Born cowards, die cowards....South African air force gringrin
.


They don't challenge you because they see that your Air force is just a dead man walking. An AF that has never used BVR in its entire existence.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 3:49pm On Apr 15, 2015
NaijaPikinGidi:
All hail the spanking new British SuperSub with ultra-stealth capability. This will redefine sub-sea Naval warfare.

One of the world's most sophisticated and powerful nuclear submarines. Carries dozens of cruise missiles capable of hitting targets 1,200 miles away. Her sonar can detect vessels moving on the other side of the ocean. Powerful nuclear reactor allows her to cruise non-stop for 25 years. HMS Ambush is so hi-tech the giant submarine doesn't even need a periscope


The vessel is also one of the quietest sea-going vessels built, capable of sneaking along an enemy coastline to drop off special forces or tracking a boat for weeks. Foreign forces will find it almost impossible to sneak up undetected by her incredibly powerful sonar equipment that can hear halfway around the world. Her listening ability is quite awesome. She has a sonar system with the processing power of 2,000 laptop computers.

===============
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2203110/Deadly-Hunter-Killer-submarine-capable-hearing-ship-leaving-port-New-York--sat-underwater-English-channel.html
It is not a magic weapon.

With that said it can be hit. VERY HARD! Most of its characteristics can be found in other subs of its class.

Diesel submarines with AIP are deadliest boats lurking in the oceans.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by NaijaPikinGidi: 3:52pm On Apr 15, 2015
Msauza:



[s]Yet SA mercenaries have taught those gallant NA soldiers to carry guns, have groomed them and nurtured their bravery to fight. They have led and guide them to victory.

They deserve credit.[/s]

Kaj Larsen the VICE reporter on the ground in the frontlines has told a true story which I can validate as largely accurate based my realities on the ground! Fake Enugu man ... you are sitting on a very long thin' cool cool cool

When you finally manage to guide yourself to victory against a lowly SELEKA and Rhino Poachers ... then we can talk.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Asuokaa: 3:57pm On Apr 15, 2015
NaijaPikinGidi:


Kaj Larsen the VICE reporter on the ground in the frontlines has told a true story which I can validate as largely accurate based my realities on the ground! Fake Enugu man ... you are sitting a very long thin' cool cool cool

When you finally manage to guide yourself to victory against a lowly SELEKA and Rhino Poachers ... then we can talk.

leave am shebi they r attacking foreigners in SA just watch he would soon run back to his country...then ill see the noise he will be making

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by NaijaPikinGidi: 3:58pm On Apr 15, 2015
MikeCZAR:
It is not a magic weapon.

With that said it can be hit. VERY HARD! Most of its characteristics can be found in other subs of its class.

Diesel submarines with AIP are deadliest boats lurking in the oceans.

You will be picked-up and demolished from miles away before you even think of leaving Simon's Town. This new beast is not in the class of those baked-beans tins you call submarines!

Park well! cool cool cool

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 4:07pm On Apr 15, 2015
NaijaPikinGidi:


Kaj Larsen the VICE reporter on the ground in the frontlines has told a true story which I can validate as largely accurate based my realities on the ground! Fake Enugu man ... you are sitting a very long thin' cool cool cool

When you finally manage to guide yourself to victory against a lowly SELEKA and Rhino Poachers ... then we can talk.



The mercenaries from SA guided NA to victory, as known all over the world.


The history as it will come to be known for centuries.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/14/south-africas-ageing-white-mercenaries-who-helped-turn-tide-on-boko-haram
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 4:07pm On Apr 15, 2015
NaijaPikinGidi:


You will be picked-up and demolished from miles away before you even think of leaving Simon's Town. This new beast is not in the class of those baked-beans tins you call submarines!

Park well! cool cool cool
Its capabilities are similar to new vessels of the same class.

Diesel submarines with AIP systems are the deadliest boats in the world's oceans.

Nuclear subs are faster, carry more weapons and can stay underwater longer only surface when they need to replenish their food stocks but aren't quiet as diesel subs.

Western nations get their ass..es beaten by these boats from Sweden to South Africa.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Asuokaa: 4:24pm On Apr 15, 2015
NaijaPikinGidi:


You will be picked-up and demolished from miles away before you even think of leaving Simon's Town. This new beast is not in the class of those baked-beans tins you call submarines!

Park well! cool cool cool

there is something abt that msauza guy...he knws SA history more than nigeria his country history pathetic...
am sure he doesnt knw major general emeka onwuamaegbu or many officers and soldiers that liberated liberia, sierra leone etc...go to liberia and ask of him they are grateful to him and his men for ever...then he was still a lieutenant colonel..he later grew to be a major general and commandant of the NIGERIAN DEFENCE ACADEMY..."ACTION SPEAKS LOUNDER THAN PICTURES"...Retired nw 36yrs crack veteran ....google abt him...we dont make noise but HISTORY HAS NIGERIA MILITARY WRITTEN ALL OVER IT...CHEERS

WARS NIGERIA MILITARY HAS FOUGHT IN

Angola
liberia
yugoslavia
sierra leone
sudan
mali
congo
iran-iraq border war
east timor
bakassi
somalia
rwanda
lebanon

and so more and so forth....am sure most of you folks didnt know nigeria military went to liberate this towns but we did...and never lost...#victory is from G

http://nigeriaworld.com/columnist/ihenacho/081103.html

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Asuokaa: 4:24pm On Apr 15, 2015
NaijaPikinGidi:


You will be picked-up and demolished from miles away before you even think of leaving Simon's Town. This new beast is not in the class of those baked-beans tins you call submarines!

Park well! cool cool cool

there is something abt that msauza guy...he knws SA history more than nigeria his country history pathetic...
am sure he doesnt knw major general emeka onwuamaegbu or many officers and soldiers that liberated liberia, sierra leone etc...go to liberia and ask of him they are grateful to him and his men for ever...then he was still a lieutenant colonel..he later grew to be a major general and commandant of the NIGERIAN DEFENCE ACADEMY..."ACTION SPEAKS LOUNDER THAN PICTURES"...Retired nw 36yrs crack veteran ....google abt him...we dont make noise but HISTORY HAS NIGERIA MILITARY WRITTEN ALL OVER IT...CHEERS

WARS NIGERIA MILITARY HAS FOUGHT IN

Angola
liberia
yugoslavia
sierra leone
sudan
mali
congo
iran-iraq border war
east timor
bakassi
somalia
rwanda
lebanon

and so more and so forth....am sure most of you folks didnt know nigeria military went to liberate this towns but we did...and never lost...#victory is from God alone

henry120
agaugust

http://nigeriaworld.com/columnist/ihenacho/081103.html

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 4:37pm On Apr 15, 2015
Asuokaa:


there is something abt that msauza guy...he knws SA history more than nigeria his country history pathetic...
am sure he doesnt knw major general emeka onwuamaegbu or many officers and soldiers that liberated liberia, sierra leone etc...go to liberia and ask of him they are grateful to him and his men for ever...then he was still a lieutenant colonel..he later grew to be a major general and commandant of the NIGERIAN DEFENCE ACADEMY..."ACTION SPEAKS LOUNDER THAN PICTURES"...Retired nw 36yrs crack veteran ....google abt him...we dont make noise but HISTORY HAS NIGERIA MILITARY WRITTEN ALL OVER IT...CHEERS

WARS NIGERIA MILITARY HAS FOUGHT IN

Angola
liberia
yugoslavia
sierra leone
sudan
mali
congo
iran-iraq border war
east timor
bakassi
somalia
rwanda
lebanon

and so more and so forth....am sure most of you folks didnt know nigeria military went to liberate this towns but we did...and never lost...#victory is from G

http://nigeriaworld.com/columnist/ihenacho/081103.html
Nigeria didn't fight in some of those conflicts.

Your armed forces performed awfully in Liberia.

You'd have been eaten in Angola.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:38pm On Apr 15, 2015
NaijaPikinGidi:
All hail the spanking new British SuperSub with ultra-stealth capability. This will redefine sub-sea Naval warfare.

One of the world's most sophisticated and powerful nuclear submarines. Carries dozens of cruise missiles capable of hitting targets 1,200 miles away. Her sonar can detect vessels moving on the other side of the ocean. Powerful nuclear reactor allows her to cruise non-stop for 25 years. HMS Ambush is so hi-tech the giant submarine doesn't even need a periscope


The vessel is also one of the quietest sea-going vessels built, capable of sneaking along an enemy coastline to drop off special forces or tracking a boat for weeks. Foreign forces will find it almost impossible to sneak up undetected by her incredibly powerful sonar equipment that can hear halfway around the world. Her listening ability is quite awesome. She has a sonar system with the processing power of 2,000 laptop computers.

===============
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2203110/Deadly-Hunter-Killer-submarine-capable-hearing-ship-leaving-port-New-York--sat-underwater-English-channel.html

This is the kiler of all killers !

Britain has always had a great navy as as former world power.

The Royal navy was the force that defeated Argentina in Falklands war 1982.

I also think the world of weapons manufacturing and technology is missing Japan due to their long absence from the arms race. Japan is a country that can build great weapons and equipment, but the terms of surrender in world war II and treaty signed with USA has ended Japan's ambition forever I think
.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Asuokaa: 4:41pm On Apr 15, 2015
MikeCZAR:
Nigeria didn't fight in some of those conflicts.

Your armed forces performed awfully in Liberia.

You'd have been eaten in Angola.

LOL...I wont answer you...google is your friend grin grin grin
see en there is nothing bad just saying o ye they did and they try that's all... do you think we need your commendation...i discovered SA folks have jealousy in their blood which will eat them up..keep on mussing abt...

https://beegeagle./2010/12/12/nigerias-best-kept-military-secret-5000-troops-fought-in-angolas-first-civil-war/
http://www.rhodesia.nl/moss4.htm
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/an-angolan-soldier-crawls-beneath-barbed-wire-trenches-news-photo/3336214


grin grin grin cab google lie

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 4:43pm On Apr 15, 2015
Asuokaa:


LOL...I wont answer you...google is your friend grin grin grin
see en there is nothing bad just saying o ye they did and they try that's all... do you think we need your commendation...i discovered SA folks have jealousy in their blood which will eat them up..keep on mussing abt...

https://beegeagle./2010/12/12/nigerias-best-kept-military-secret-5000-troops-fought-in-angolas-first-civil-war/
Tell us in which battle did Nigerians fight in Angola or during the Iraq-Iran war.

You'd have been eaten in Angola.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Asuokaa: 4:45pm On Apr 15, 2015
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Asuokaa: 4:47pm On Apr 15, 2015
MikeCZAR:
Tell us in which battle did Nigerians fight in Angola or during the Iraq-Iran war.

You'd have been eaten in Angola.


The Nigerians are said to be heavily involved in Angola. Western intelligence sources report that Nigerian troops were present at battalion strength when the MPLA and the Cubans pushed south last year. According to UNITA sources in Paris, the Nigerian strength has since been reinforce

http://www.rhodesia.nl/moss4.htm

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 4:48pm On Apr 15, 2015
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Asuokaa: 4:49pm On Apr 15, 2015
Nigeria military in lebanon

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Asuokaa: 4:50pm On Apr 15, 2015
MikeCZAR:
No Nigerian troops fought in Angola.

You'd have been eaten there. That blogger was high on something.


grin grin grin grin grin..there is no reason to be jealous and angry...nigeria military have been involved in many secret wars....stop acting like a kid .... wink...cheers

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by NaijaPikinGidi: 5:27pm On Apr 15, 2015
Msauza:




[s]The mercenaries from SA guided NA to victory, as known all over the world.


The history as it will come to be known for centuries.

[/s]
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/14/south-africas-ageing-white-mercenaries-who-helped-turn-tide-on-boko-haram
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:42pm On Apr 15, 2015
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MikeCZAR:
No Nigerian troops fought in Angola.

You'd have been eaten there. That blogger was high on something.

@Asuokaa has another two sources contained in his own source which are NOT blogs.

Same way you Southies have been posting some sources claiming that Soviets fought in Angola. The guy has opened up a new issue and controversy on this topic and you cannot just dismiss his case, he has sources :




The fact that as many as 5,000 Nigerian troops fought in Angola around 1976-77 may be the most widely-unknown fact in the annals of Nigeria’s very long history of foreign military operations.

In the aftermath of January 1976 OAU summit where General Murtala Muhammed in his timeless “AFRICA HAS COME OF AGE” outing decisively swung the support of the OAU and Africa in favour of the MPLA regime, to the chagrin of their UNITA and FNLA competitors, the FMG backed up the new MPLA government with N13.5m(US$20m) and sent a squadron of MiG-17 jet fighters in support.

It has now emerged that as many as 5,000 Nigerian troops were deployed to Angola and that they saw action in various theatres across the then war-blighted country.

Writing in an article entitled “MOSCOW’S NEXT TARGET IN AFRICA;Paying the Price for Angola“, Robert Moss clearly indicates that ….

QUOTE:

“The Nigerians are said to be heavily involved in Angola. Western intelligence sources report that Nigerian troops were present at battalion strength when the MPLA and the Cubans pushed south last year. According to UNITA sources in Paris, the Nigerian strength has since been reinforced.

UNITA sources have tapes of radio intercepts showing that at least 5,000 Nigerian troops have been deployed in Angola. They are operating as far south as Mocamedes, and are also based in Lobito, Luanda and the eastern diamond mining town of Henrique de Carvalho.

UNITA claims to have intercepted radio communications in English (the common language between the Nigerians, the Cubans and the MPLA), in the Ibo, Hausa and Yoruba dialects, and in a form of pidgin Creole…..An intriguing sidelight is that UNITA also claims that a British shipping line played a key role in ferrying Nigerian troops and military supplies to Angola.

Nigeria, rich in oil and boasting an army of some 210,000 men, can clearly afford to be more than rhetorical in its backing for the guerrilla movements of southern Africa.” END OF QUOTE

Corroborating this report, the world-renowned photo-agency GETTY IMAGES in an archival photo dated 1 January 1977 actually bears a caption which read as follows;

QUOTE:

“Caption: 1977: An Angolan soldier crawls beneath barbed wire trenches during training. Dr Jonas Savimbi and his UNITA movement is doing well in its fight against the ruling MPLA (Movement For The Liberation Of Angola), and its Cuban allies. UNITA claims to control at least half of Angola. In addition to the Cuban forces, Western intelligence sources report that at least 5000 Nigerian troops are also deployed in Angola, on the side of the MPLA. (Photo by Keystone/Getty Images). Date created: 01 Jan 1977 “. END OF QUOTE


http://www.rhodesia.nl/moss4.htm

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/3336214/Hulton-Archive
.


Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 5:49pm On Apr 15, 2015
SA Army Infantry beach assault drill today. With assistance from SA Navy vessels.

Pics by Doug

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 6:17pm On Apr 15, 2015
Asuokaa:


LOL...I wont answer you...google is your friend grin grin grin
see en there is nothing bad just saying o ye they did and they try that's all... do you think we need your commendation...i discovered SA folks have jealousy in their blood which will eat them up..keep on mussing abt...

https://beegeagle./2010/12/12/nigerias-best-kept-military-secret-5000-troops-fought-in-angolas-first-civil-war/
http://www.rhodesia.nl/moss4.htm
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/an-angolan-soldier-crawls-beneath-barbed-wire-trenches-news-photo/3336214


grin grin grin cab google lie

Let start with Angola first.

It appears to be lies which cannot be supported.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:25pm On Apr 15, 2015
saengine:
SA Army Infantry beach assault drill today. With assistance from SA Navy vessels.

Pics by Doug


@Saengine, you work with SANDF....true or false?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:31pm On Apr 15, 2015
Asuokaa:



grin grin grin grin grin..there is no reason to be jealous and angry...nigeria military have been involved in many secret wars....stop acting like a kid .... wink...cheers
Secret? With 5000 troops?

South Africa sent around 3800 troops in 87 within weeks FAPLA was reporting that they're now fighting saffers not UNITA.

Angola was not Liberia, Nigerians would've relied on their feet when casspirs, T-55s, Ratels etc charged.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:34pm On Apr 15, 2015
MikeCZAR:
It is not a magic weapon.

With that said it can be hit. VERY HARD! Most of its characteristics can be found in other subs of its class.

Diesel submarines with AIP are deadliest boats lurking in the oceans.

You dis man no kuku know anything, until Britico Submarine sink all ya navy, na dat time ya blind eyes go clear
.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:41pm On Apr 15, 2015
agaugust:
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@Asuokaa has another two sources contained in his own source which are NOT blogs.

Same way you Southies have been posting some sources claiming that Soviets fought in Angola. The guy has opened up a new issue and controversy on this topic and you cannot just dismiss his case, he has sources :




The fact that as many as 5,000 Nigerian troops fought in Angola around 1976-77 may be the most widely-unknown fact in the annals of Nigeria’s very long history of foreign military operations.

In the aftermath of January 1976 OAU summit where General Murtala Muhammed in his timeless “AFRICA HAS COME OF AGE” outing decisively swung the support of the OAU and Africa in favour of the MPLA regime, to the chagrin of their UNITA and FNLA competitors, the FMG backed up the new MPLA government with N13.5m(US$20m) and sent a squadron of MiG-17 jet fighters in support.

It has now emerged that as many as 5,000 Nigerian troops were deployed to Angola and that they saw action in various theatres across the then war-blighted country.

Writing in an article entitled “MOSCOW’S NEXT TARGET IN AFRICA;Paying the Price for Angola“, Robert Moss clearly indicates that ….

QUOTE:

“The Nigerians are said to be heavily involved in Angola. Western intelligence sources report that Nigerian troops were present at battalion strength when the MPLA and the Cubans pushed south last year. According to UNITA sources in Paris, the Nigerian strength has since been reinforced.

UNITA sources have tapes of radio intercepts showing that at least 5,000 Nigerian troops have been deployed in Angola. They are operating as far south as Mocamedes, and are also based in Lobito, Luanda and the eastern diamond mining town of Henrique de Carvalho.

UNITA claims to have intercepted radio communications in English (the common language between the Nigerians, the Cubans and the MPLA), in the Ibo, Hausa and Yoruba dialects, and in a form of pidgin Creole…..An intriguing sidelight is that UNITA also claims that a British shipping line played a key role in ferrying Nigerian troops and military supplies to Angola.

Nigeria, rich in oil and boasting an army of some 210,000 men, can clearly afford to be more than rhetorical in its backing for the guerrilla movements of southern Africa.” END OF QUOTE

Corroborating this report, the world-renowned photo-agency GETTY IMAGES in an archival photo dated 1 January 1977 actually bears a caption which read as follows;

QUOTE:

“Caption: 1977: An Angolan soldier crawls beneath barbed wire trenches during training. Dr Jonas Savimbi and his UNITA movement is doing well in its fight against the ruling MPLA (Movement For The Liberation Of Angola), and its Cuban allies. UNITA claims to control at least half of Angola. In addition to the Cuban forces, Western intelligence sources report that at least 5000 Nigerian troops are also deployed in Angola, on the side of the MPLA. (Photo by Keystone/Getty Images). Date created: 01 Jan 1977 “. END OF QUOTE


http://www.rhodesia.nl/moss4.htm

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/3336214/Hulton-Archive
.



Nigerians didn't fight in Angola.

So "UNITA" was doing well in fight with your imaginary 5000 troops on the ground?

Nigerians wouldn't have dared to challenge SA at that time.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 6:44pm On Apr 15, 2015
MikeCZAR:
SA deployed troops(The training team) to CAR on a Bi-national agreement between both governments.

This mission was not under AU or UN. As you could've seen they didn't wear blue or green helmet covers.

When things turned sour a protection force was sent to CAR.

Yes they were not under the U.N but they still had to follow the basic rules, you can not deploy soldiers into another country without U.N approval these days. The media didn't include the part about the UN because they ddnt know about it. The only way to know about such things is to talk directly to the people who were there.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:47pm On Apr 15, 2015
Centrifude:


Yes they were not under the U.N but they still had to follow the basic rules, you can not deploy soldiers into another country without U.N approval these days. The media didn't include the part about the UN because they ddnt know about it. The only way to know about such things is to talk directly to the people who were there.
I won't reveal any info not made publicly
.

But you can deploy troops anywhere you want.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:51pm On Apr 15, 2015
agaugust:


You dis man no kuku know anything, until Britico Submarine sink all ya navy, na dat time ya blind eyes go clear
.
The troublesome new British submarine isn't a magic weapon.

Newer diesel submarines with AIP systems can send her to the bottom.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 6:56pm On Apr 15, 2015
MikeCZAR:
I won't reveal any info not made publicly
.

But you can deploy troops anywhere you want.

Well that's not what those Soldiers told me, but I don't know everything so I can't really argue with what you're saying.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 7:16pm On Apr 15, 2015
Centrifude:


Well that's not what those Soldiers told me, but I don't know everything so I can't really argue with what you're saying.
The lads who were there won't tell just anyone what really happened.

Most of guys who speak are in the regiment but weren't there.

Classified things.

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