stillchris:

are you contradicting yourself now?

i hope you realize you have just confirmed @agaugust to be right.

sometimes you need to do some research before coming to spread your lies and ignorance here.

it's disgusting.

Do you understand the meaning of the phrase "on occasion"

Artillery has, since the dawn of gunpowder, been deployed primarily in the rear of the front-line.

agaugust:


Citations abd data needed for the above lies
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Charlize Theron alone has a net worth of $110 million
http://www.bornrich.com/charlize-theron.html

agaugust:



Blame your ANC government of incompetent blacks and coloreds who cannot operate an effective grass root level tax collection system.

Blame South Africa for being a rotten third world country...have you bought enough candles for tonight? Eskom is about to make you blind again tonight, you will grope in the dark
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South Africa has one of the most efficient tax systems in the world

More Nigerians live in permanent darkness than there are actual South Africans.

We may be 3rd world.

But you are (literally) a failed state.

saengine:


Notice how they say Seeker 200 UAV is a South African Air Force aircraft. Also like how we have a long range, precision guided munition capability for the Hawks. Something other air forces can only dream of. I sometimes feel sorry for our Hawks, everyone talks about Gripen. But they still carry a massive punch, especially when they get A-Darter this year.

It's marketing gimmicks and a confused journalist who has no understanding of SANDF and DENEL marketing methods.

South African air force has NO SINGLE Seeker Drone in service.

Nigeria is the first and only country in Africa to ever use a guided missile armed drone in combat.

NAF is far superior to SAAF in that aspect, you guys have NO air to surface missile in service, you NEVER ordered one.

Hawk jet cannot operate where enemy interceptor jets exist, the Hawk has NO radar , it will be shot down from distance by air superiority jet.

SAAF is a lame duck under the command of an air force chief of staff that has ZERO war experience, we can compare him to Togo Republics chief of air staff
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Patchesagain:


[size=16pt]Cool opinion

But facts are facts - SANDF has allmost twice the budget than the Nigerian Military despite being half its size.

Henry120 posting fictitious e-mails changes nothing.

Deal with it - your military has no money!!! [/size]

Don't worry, it is not fictitious. This is why, I'm not bothered with debating this issue.

Henry120:


Don't worry, it is not fictitious. This is why, I'm not bothered with debating this issue.

Yes, I agree the Nigerian Military budget is not fictitious.

I also agree that it is allmost half of the SANDF's

Nigeira.... why you so poor?

Patchesagain:


Charlize Theron alone has a net worth of $110 million
http://www.bornrich.com/charlize-theron.html

Show us how much he made from movie acting wages and show us the same data for top Nigerian movie actors, that is the only way to prove your wild claims.....show us data comparisons
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agaugust:

It's marketing gimmicks and a confused journalist who has no understanding of SANDF and DENEL marketing methods.

South African air force has NO SINGLE Seeker Drone in service.

Nigeria is the first and only country in Africa to ever use a guided missile armed drone in combat.

NAF is far superior to SAAF in that aspect, you guys have NO air to surface missile in service, you NEVER ordered one.

Hawk jet cannot operate where enemy interceptor jets exist, the Hawk has NO radar , it will be shot down from distance by air superiority jet.

SAAF is a lame duck under the command of an air force chief of staff that has ZERO war experience, we can compare him to Togo Republics chief of air staff

1. I guess I need to repost images of the Mokopa's armed on an SANDF Rooivalk at an SANDF display
2. He is a military journalist, he knows what he is saying and what he is saying is clear - SAAF drones.
3. Hawk uses data-link for radar targeting
4. Hawk wont operate alone, it will have Gripen assisting it.

Nigerian airforce has no real war exerpeince - bombing rebels is about as challenging as bombing empty fields.

Reminder: The Nigerian airforce has never deployed in a contested airspace

I can taste your jealousy from here!!

Patchesagain:


Yes no doubt on occasion they will be used in forward echelons

But artillery spends the majority of its time in the rear or in the reserve sector of the front.

Indirect fire versus direct fire.

We are building our military capabilities enough to defeat islamic terrorism in all corners of the African continent.With the election of Buhari,we will soon have vastly upgraded F-16s and Apaches soaring high in our skies,along with other land assets and even warships.Not only that,we may also be able to snag a few squadrons of the french Rafale jets.
Moreover,our close ties with Russia and Pakistan would see us toasting our enemies with SU-30 and JF-17,along with mouth watering hauls of badass missiles from the US and Russia.
SA is in for more tears as your percieved military strength is violently torn apart by the indomitable NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES.

agaugust:


Show us how much he made from movie acting wages and show us the same data for top Nigerian movie actors, that is the only way to prove your wild claims.....show us data comparisons
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I think it is fair to say that her net worth is from acting, considering her profession is acting.

Nope, your job is now to defend your nigerian actors.

EVarn:
We are building our military capabilities enough to defeat islamic terrorism in all corners of the African continent.With the election of Buhari,we will soon have vastly upgraded F-16s and Apaches soaring high in our skies,along with other land assets and even warships.Not only that,we may also be able to snag a few squadrons of the french Rafale jets.
Moreover,our close ties with Russia and Pakistan would see us toasting our enemies with SU-30 and JF-17,along with mouth watering hauls of badass missiles from the US and Russia.
SA is in for more tears as your percieved military strength is violently torn apart by the indomitable NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES.

F-16's? Apache?

Bwa-ahahahahahahahahahahahahah omg my sides.

You realize that America's biggest ally in Africa (egypt) had to get on its knees and suck american co.ck for years to get either of those? You think they will sell to you?

You cant afford the Rafael or the Su-30 and the JF-17 is complete trash its comparable to the F-16 Block 40 from the 1980's.

The real question is how you are going to aquire that equipment, maintain your current equipment and fund COIN operations with allmost half the budget we have

Patchesagain:


Yes, I agree the Nigerian Military budget is not fictitious.

I also agree that it is allmost half of the SANDF's

Nigeira.... why you so poor?

Okay.

Henry120:


Okay.

Excellent

Patchesagain:


Yes no doubt on occasion they will be used in forward echelons

but artillery spends the majority of its time in the rear or in the reserve sector of the front.

Indirect fire versus direct fire.

Okay, you know admit that artillery sits on the front line.

You were trying to deceive this forum some days ago .

Anointed fraudster
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bidexiii:
Pathetic ... SA has only 1 black billionaire;"patrice motsepe, net worth-$2.1 billion" I can now see why they say black SA are lazy how come out of all your billionaires you claim there is only a first,only and the last black billionaire - www.africaranking.com/richest-people-in-africa/8/

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Patchesagain:

F-16's? Apache?
Bwa-ahahahahahahahahahahahahah omg my sides.
You cant afford the Rafael or the Su-30 and the JF-17 is complete trash its comparable to the F-16 Block 40 from the 1980's.

That is simply the reality on ground.Nigeria will be the first African country to fly F-16s into battle,its already on the drawing board.
Our Apaches will most likely come from Isreal,obviously with the full backing of the US.
S-400 ADMs will be procured in battalions,along with T80 MBTs.Hummer APCs will rave through our streets in hundreds.
We can more than afford the SU-30 and Rafale,we run on a $7-8 Billion defence budget,that is more than enough to procure 5 squadrons of the SU-30 with enough cash to spare.
The JF-17 was designed similar to the J-10,though it isnt battle tested,however,it is a potent 4th generation striker designed for air superiority and missile load.moreover,it is easy to upgrade.

agaugust:


Okay, you know admit that artillery sits on the front line.

You were trying to deceive this forum some days ago .

Anointed fraudster
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Nope.

Read what I said - it may end up on the front lines on occasion.

I dont know if you realize this, but war is fluid front lines may shift 50km in a couple of hours, guns can get caught out of position. Just like a Brigade Commanders HQ may end up coming under direct attack, or a feild hospital getting over-run.


Standard placement for guns is behind the front lines. Allways has been, allways will be.

Why else would they bother giving guns huge ranges?

Pic related, Russian artillery deployment - are they on the frontline or behind it?

EVarn:
That is simply the reality on ground.Nigeria will be the first Sub-Saharan African country to fly F-16s into battle,its already on the drawing board.
Our Apaches will most likely come from Isreal,obviously with the full backing of the US.
S-400 ADMs will be procured in battalions,along with T80 MBTs.Hummer APCs will rave through our streets in hundreds.
We can more than afford the SU-30 and Rafale,we run on a $7-8 Billion defence budget,that is more than enough to procure 3 squadrons of the SU-30 with enough cash to spare.
The JF-17 was designed similar to the J-10,though it isnt battle tested,however,it is a potent 4th generation striker designed for air superiority and missile load.moreover,it is easy to upgrade.

Yes, and that drawing board is the delusions in your head.

US wont sell you arms now, why would they suddenly sell you their most precious arms?

actually... wait... i am not wasting my time responding to this gibberish.

Your defence budget is $2 billion.

You can barely afford to feild the army you have - let alone buy all this gear.

stillchris:

are you contradicting yourself now?

i hope you realize you have just confirmed @agaugust to be right.

sometimes you need to do some research before coming to spread your lies and ignorance here.

it's disgusting.

Patches lies so randomly he forgets what he said on page 5, then on page 10 he contradicts himself, his fraud anointing needs upgrade in that area, however, I admit that he is a gifted liar
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agaugust:


Patches lies so randomly he forgets what he said on page 5, then on page 10 he contradicts himself, his fraud anointing needs upgrade in that area, however, I admit that he is a gifted liar
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Augustus.

It is quite clear what is happening

You are sad that your artillery has a shorter range than ours.

And despite bragging about non-existant 40km range... you have no turned around and said that a 40km range is useless because artillery deploys on the frontline.

You dont understand how artillery works - you cant even wrap your head around the use of spotters.

I shall give you your last free lesson:

- artillery deploys to the rear
- spotters, drones, aircraft, satelights , communications intercepts, ground based radar all provide targets along and behind the frontlines
- artillery shoots those targets from a distance.

OUR artillery can shell YOUR frontline from ranges that prevent YOUR artillery engaging OUR artillery in counter-battery fire.

YOUR artillery has to come into range of OUR artillery in order to shell OUR frontline meaning we can engage YOUR artillery in counter-battery fire.

Patchesagain:


I think it is fair to say that her net worth is from acting, considering her profession is acting.

Nope, your job is now to defend your nigerian actors.

So you have ZERO proof of all your claims !

You just pulled those words out of your äss hole and posted them on Nairaland.....cool...real cool

@Patches, in a lying and deception competition, I will surrender to you without a fight
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agaugust:


So you have ZERO proof of all your claims !

You just pulled those words out of your äss hole and posted them on Nairaland.....cool...real cool

@Patches, in a lying and deception competition, I will surrender to you without a fight
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How else does an actor generate income if not through acting?

Do you think someone gave her $100 million from the charity of their own heart?

You want to talk lies? ok:

- Missile armed OPV's
- T80 Oplot
- Tucano
- FH-77 B05 L52
- 40km ranged RH-70's
- Su30
- BVRAM range on PLC-9 missiles
- Otomat Mk2
- "hundreds" of T72s in Nigeria


Your history of lies is well known and well documented

Patchesagain:


Nope.

Read what I said - it may end up on the front lines on occasion.

I dont know if you realize this, but war is fluid front lines may shift 50km in a couple of hours, guns can get caught out of position. Just like a Brigade Commanders HQ may end up coming under direct attack, or a feild hospital getting over-run.


Standard placement for guns is behind the front lines. Allways has been, allways will be.

Why else would they bother giving guns huge ranges?

Pic related, Russian artillery deployment - are they on the frontline or behind it?

They are on the frontline. A distance where you are able to fire and hit your enemy, and he can fire back and hït you, becomes a frontline in war.

Mörön
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Patchesagain:


Yes, and that drawing board is the delusions in your head.

US wont sell you arms now, why would they suddenly sell you their most precious arms?

actually... wait... i am not wasting my time responding to this gibberish.

Your defence budget is $2 billion.

You can barely afford to feild the army you have - let alone buy all this gear.

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/nigeria/military-expenditure
Nigeria splashed $369 Billion on military expenditure in 24 years!.
In 2014,our defence budget increased by 100% to over $7 Billion.

EVarn:

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/nigeria/military-expenditure
Nigeria splashed $369 Billion on military expenditure in 24 years!.
In 2014,our defence budget increased by 100% to over $7 Billion.

I dont know where you get your "$7 billion" from since your "citation" only goes to 2011 and a peak of $3,6 Billion is recorded.

And, FYI, your source quotes SIPRI - and most recent info from Sipri is that your budget is just over $2 billion and that it has fallen for a third year in a row.

While, again, by your own source South Africa has spent $416 Billion over the same period of time and while you only spent $3,6 billion in 2011 we were spending $3,7... and our military is half the size of yours.

Good one there, dingus.

agaugust:


They are on the frontline. A distance where you are able to fire and hit your enemy, and he can fire back and hït you, becomes a frontline in war.

Mörön
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So now you are back-tracking to re-define what the frontline is?

Straight from a google search:

A front line is the closest position(s) of an armed force's personnel and equipment - generally in respect of maritime or land forces. Forward Line of Own Troops (FLOT), or Forward Edge of Battle Area (FEBA) are technical terms used by all branches of the U.S. armed services.

What you are talking about would colloquially be known as "the front", where-as "the front line" is specifically where your forces are directly facing enemy forces.

Mr Researcher - why dont you know what a frontline is?

agaugust:


Blame your Southie government for the poor immigration controls that failed to control illegal immigration.

Blame your South Africa for allowing more legal immigrants than your economy can absorb, all because your government wants to make money from all visa applicant, you just issue visas to anybody any how even if he is potentially a drug pusher.

Blame your ANC government of incompetent blacks and coloreds who cannot operate an effective grass root level tax collection system.

Blame South Africa for being a rotten third world country...have you bought enough candles for tonight? Eskom is about to make you blind again tonight, you will grope in the dark
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The load shedding in Nigeria is permanent. In South Africa is only 3 hours twice or once a week.

EVarn:

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/nigeria/military-expenditure
Nigeria splashed $369 Billion on military expenditure in 24 years!.
In 2014,our defence budget increased by 100% to over $7 Billion.

Shame!!! your $7 billion defence budget was only temporary and was not meant to remain like that forever. It was only to be used to fight terrorism. Nigeria cannot sustain their military with that budget or else they will risk bankruptcy.

agaugust:


Show us how much he made from movie acting wages and show us the same data for top Nigerian movie actors, that is the only way to prove your wild claims.....show us data comparisons
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WTF!!!!!REALLY WTF!!

SO you have never heard of Charlize Theron(Female BTW)?......She is one of the biggest actresses in hollywood, a oscar winning actress to be exact!!

If you dont know Charlize Theron then you dont know: Brad Pitt, Will smith, Angelina Jolie ect ect

What? have you been living in a cave all your life?.....OH! Wait... you live in Nigeria!...guessing its almost the same as living in a cave!

jln115:

WTF!!!!!REALLY WTF!!

SO you have never heard of Charlize Theron(Female BTW)?......She is one of the biggest actresses in hollywood, a oscar winning actress to be exact!!

If you dont know Charlize Theron then you dont know: Brad Pitt, Will smith, Angelina Jolie ect ect

What? have you been living in a cave all your life?.....OH! Wait... you live in Nigeria!...guessing its almost the same as living in a cave!

iterator24:

What? Have you also never heard of Charlize Theron?

jln115:

What? Have you also never heard of Charlize Theron?

heard of her, just didn't know she's a goddess in South africa lol... you finally have someone in hollywood to cling onto lol... while we have many