Full of excitement , she walks to me saying " hello sister , its my pleasure to see you ( after i replied) , we are having a program at our church next week sunday , So am inviting you here is the invitation , (she showed me the invitation) " then the following conversation occurs :

ME: thanks , i know the program is gonna be fun

GIRL: yeah, i promise you

ME : by the way, I can see that you are a spirit - filled christian.

GIRL: *smiles* by his grace

ME: good , I will be happy if you can just explain some two bible verses for me .

GIRL : hmm, others ar waiting for me , but i wont mind , we just have to be fast

ME: okay, the 1st verse is psalm 90:2

GIRL: *she reads in her bible* , okay, whats your point ?

ME: am wondering if God actually giv birth to mountains like a woman since it said he " brought forth"

GIRL: *smiles* nooo , its just a figurative statement saying God creates mountains

ME: hmm , so if something is born its created ?

GIRL: yes nw

ME: really? thank you, lets see the second verse

Hmmmm...
Seems real...

GIRL: okay, pls whats the second verse

ME: okay, proverb 8:24

GIRL: *she reads in her bible* okay, and whats your point ?

ME: people say that proverb 8 talks about the God of christians , Jesus

GIRL : yes , he is the uncreated creator

ME: really? But the verse I gave you said he too was " brought forth"

GIRL: yeah, he was begotten

ME: created ?

GIRL: NO, begotten

ME: but you told me that anything born is created

GIRL: i dont seem to get you, are you saying Jesus is created ?

ME: *i smiled* but its your bible that said Jesus was brought forth , isnt it ?

GIRL: yes, but I explained to you that it means he was begotten

ME: You have contradict yourself my sister , according to the first verse which says mountains are brought forth , you said it means they are created .

GIRL : *sighs* , but what I know is that Jesus was not created , pls we shall see next time others are waiting for me

ME: so you will leave me , without solving this

GIRL: its not like dat *smiles and walk away* ,



, but why are christians not consistent and straight forward ?

Imagine! (I meant that in past tense, sorry)

"Stop the blasphemy against the Lord of host. This just shows you don't truly understand the Bible. To understand, reread the Bible like 50 times (cover to cover) in a year; and if symptoms persist, visit Bible teaching church(es) for explanations; and if symptoms still persist,..... How dare you doubt the Bible? Just watch what would happen to you." -- the mind of a typical christian.

1 Corinthians 2:14 ►
New International Version
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Verse 14. - The natural man. The Greek word is ψυχικὸς (psychical); literally, soulish, i.e. the man who lives the mere life of his lower understanding, the unspiritual, sensuous, and egoistic man. He may be superior to the fleshly, sensual, or carnal man, who lives only the life of the body (σωματικὸς); but is far below the spiritual man (πνευματικός). St. Paul (1 Thessalonians 5:23) recognizes the tripartite nature of man - body, soul, spirit. Receiveth not; i.e. "does not choose to accept." He judges them by the foregone conclusions of his own prejudice. Because they are spiritually judged. The organ for the recognition of such truths - namely, the spirit - has become paralyzed or fallen into atrophy, from neglect; therefore the egoist and the sensualist have lost the faculty whereby alone spiritual truth is discernible. It becomes to them what painting is to the blind, or music to the deaf. This elementary truth is again and again insisted on in Scripture, and ignored by sceptics (Romans 8:6, 7; John 3:3; John 6:44, 45; John 14:17; 2 Corinthians 4:3-6). This verse is sometimes used to depreciate knowledge, reason, and intellect.

MizJanet:
GIRL: okay, pls whats the second verse

ME: okay, proverb 8:24

GIRL: *she reads in her bible* okay, and whats your point ?

ME: people say that proverb 8 talks about the God of christians , Jesus

GIRL : yes , he is the uncreated creator

ME: really? But the verse I gave you said he too was " brought forth"

GIRL: yeah, he was begotten

ME: created ?

GIRL: NO, begotten

ME: but you told me that anything born is created

GIRL: i dont seem to get you, are you saying Jesus is created ?

ME: *i smiled* but its your bible that said Jesus was brought forth , isnt it ?

GIRL: yes, but I explained to you that it means he was begotten

ME: You have contradict yourself my sister , according to the first verse which says mountains are brought forth , you said it means they are created .

GIRL : *sighs* , but what I know is that Jesus was not created , pls we shall see next time others are waiting for me

ME: so you will leave me , without solving this

GIRL: its not like dat *smiles and walk away* ,



, but why are christians not consistent and straight forward ?

you are the confused one here. According to what you posted jesus was manifested as a mortal man, mortal need to be created by the immortal . In his immortal nature is un-created . Another loose soul searching whom to devour.

MizJanet:
Full of excitement , she walks to me saying " hello sister , its my pleasure to see you ( after i replied) , we are having a program at our church next week sunday , So am inviting you here is the invitation , (she showed me the invitation) " then the following conversation occurs :

ME: thanks , i know the program is gonna be fun

GIRL: yeah, i promise you

ME : by the way, I can see that you are a spirit - filled christian.

GIRL: *smiles* by his grace

ME: good , I will be happy if you can just explain some two bible verses for me .

GIRL : hmm, others ar waiting for me , but i wont mind , we just have to be fast

ME: okay, the 1st verse is psalm 90:2

GIRL: *she reads in her bible* , okay, whats your point ?

ME: am wondering if God actually giv birth to mountains like a woman since it said he " brought forth"

GIRL: *smiles* nooo , its just a figurative statement saying God creates mountains

ME: hmm , so if something is born its created ?

GIRL: yes nw

ME: really? thank you, lets see the second verse

bring forth don't only mean born . Inside you the truth is there as a judge no matter how you try it will surely spring forth even at the point of death. Is a matter of time you will know . Am still surprise if an atheists are confused about existent of christ then am advising them to visit tb joshua or chris for deliverance maybe you will not bark like dog then come back and explain what really happened to you. Stop showing casing your frustrating life on here.

jcross19:
you are the confused one here. According to what you posted jesus was manifested as a mortal man , mortal need to be created by the immortal . In his immortal nature is un-created . Another loose soul searching whom to devour.

See interpretation o, So Jesus while speaking in prov 8:22-27 is a mortal man ?

jcross19:
bring forth don't only mean born . Inside you the truth is there as a judge no matter how you try it will surely spring forth even at the point of death. Is a matter of time you will know . Am still surprise if an atheists are confused about existent of christ then am advising them to visit tb joshua or chris for deliverance maybe you will not bark like dog then come back and explain what really happened to you. Stop showing casing your frustrating life on here.

@bold , the girl told me that bring forth dont mean born BUT CREATE , do you agree with her ?

MizJanet:


See interpretation o, So Jesus while speaking in prov 8:22-27 is a mortal man ?

' jcross19 , waitin for ur answers ...

MizJanet:


' jcross19 , waitin for ur answers ...

when you read bible don't read bible with a bias mind be open to truth then truth will visit you: answer to your question ma: after thorough research on my own , I discovered that God is more bigger than his creation and he has of creating things with the level of his power HE may end up create power like HIM but HE has to reduced HIMSELF to SON so that HE can accomplish HIS mission of creation. So in son, HE made all things. Now son is in father but started active when the creation came to existent, still God want to be with his image has to reduced the son to Holy spirit so that HE can reach out to us. Father=son=holy spirit. Then mathematical all are thesame

jcross19:
when you read bible don't read bible with a bias mind be open to truth then truth will visit you: answer to your question ma: after thorough research on my own , I discovered that God is more bigger than his creation and he has of creating things with the level of his power HE may end up create power like HIM but HE has to reduced HIMSELF to SON so that HE can accomplish HIS mission of creation. So in son, HE made all things. Now son is in father but started active when the creation came to existent, still God want to be with his image has to reduced the son to Holy spirit so that HE can reach out to us. Father=son=holy spirit. Then mathematical all are thesame

Christians are the most confuse people in the world , see the underlined statement ooooo . Their Jesus HAS BEEN REDUCED to Holyspirit .




*pls address the first 2 questions which you ignore*

jcross19:
when you read bible don't read bible with a bias mind be open to truth then truth will visit you: answer to your question ma: after thorough research on my own , I discovered that God is more bigger than his creation and he has of creating things with the level of his power HE may end up create power like HIM but HE has to reduced HIMSELF to SON so that HE can accomplish HIS mission of creation. So in son, HE made all things. Now son is in father but started active when the creation came to existent, still God want to be with his image has to reduced the son to Holy spirit so that HE can reach out to us. Father=son=holy spirit. Then mathematical all are thesame

. Rubbish!!!

MizJanet:


Christians are the most confuse people in the world , see the underlined statement ooooo . Their Jesus HAS BEEN REDUCED to Holyspirit .




*pls address the first 2 questions which you ignore*

you are the confused one here ma because I find joy in christ and never complain . So you are the one crying foul here and complain of what you know thing about. Please sleep in your ignorance and pretend like you are wise.

Medicis:
. Rubbish!!!

yes to the fools who refuse to understand things of the spirit.

jcross19:
you are the confused one here ma because I find joy in christ and never complain . So you are the one crying foul here and complain of what you know thing about. Please sleep in your ignorance and pretend like you are wise.

Confuse and clueless man, pls point where your bible say jesus has been REDUCE to Holyspirit for us ?

seems no one could bail that christian girl out , you mean all of you dont understand psalm 90:2 and proverb 8:24 ?

MizJanet:
seems no one could bail that christian girl out , you mean all of you dont understand psalm 90:2 and proverb 8:24 ?

Those scriptures and the bible in general helps us to know that jesus was created by God. He was his first creation, the begining of his creation.

God created numerous living creatures and called them his sons. But the first is jesus , and he used jesus as a master worker in creating every other thing. That's why jesus is the only begotten son.

This son is a verry powerful spirit , but his love and loyalty to his creator enabled him to be humble enough to shed his natural nature to be a man(flesh ).
Jesus has always been loyal and has at all times been doing what his creator tells him to do . He delights in it .
That is why after showing such loyalty till death, his creator exalted him above everything else except his creator himself.

Most people who believe in the false doctrine of trinity cannot even explain it.

If you put three people who believe in the doctrine in the same room and ask them to explain there believe, two will tell you different things while the other will tell you its beyond human understanding.

MizJanet:


Confuse and clueless man, pls point where your bible say jesus has been REDUCE to Holyspirit for us ?

you are just another demon send to devour the children of God and you have failed , you will still again, again and again. God came in flesh to become son and the spirt of the son is the holy spirit. I will not help your ignorance.

i said earlier,she dint come to learn but to mock

jcross19:
you are just another demon send to devour the children of God and you have failed , you will still again, again and again. God came in flesh to become son and the spirt of the son is the holy spirit. I will not help your ignorance.

Silly , i thought you will give me the verse that said "the son was Reduced to holyspirit"

sportsmaster:
i said earlier,she dint come to learn but to mock

Seriously, do u agree with jcross19 that "Jesus is REDUCED to Holyspirit ? "

watching in HD as some azz is getting kicked,who will separate confussion from Christianity?

Pro 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
Pro 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

MizJanet:


Silly , i thought you will give me the verse that said "the son was Reduced to holyspirit"

like I have said I will not help your ignorance because your mind is blocked by vanity keep thinking about your lawlessness when death catch up , you will know that there God , jesus and holy spirit. Even if I tell you still you won't accept and don't be fooled by the word "reduced"it mean something you can never understand.

johnw74:

Pro 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
Pro 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Why are u so dull ? , if you aint blind you will know that we are discussing prov 8:24 and psalm 90:2 and not the verse u ignorantly quote.

*in other words, you dont know the answer *

Brainwashed .

jcross19:
like I have said I will not help your ignorance because your mind is blocked by vanity keep thinking about your lawlessness when death catch up , you will know that there God , jesus and holy spirit. Even if I tell you still you won't accept and don't be fooled by the word "reduced"it mean something you can never understand.

' jcross19 , a man full of errors and deceit , " Jesus while speaking in prov 8:24 is a mortal man "

@mizjanet i realise i need to answer ur question abt d 2 verses u referred to nd i bliv d Holy Spirit will speak thru me nd dat He will illuminate His word.
Psalm 90:2 says brought forth wich can also be cald creatn. But let ne point out sumtn ur fone was created by sumbody did he gave birth to it? Dere4 creatn does nt necasarily means givin birth to.

MizJanet:


' jcross19 , a man full of errors and deceit , " Jesus while speaking in prov 8:24 is a mortal man "

the word was inside God and he became manifested or active when the creation started because through him the creation was made according to john 1 vs 1-3,as far God exist without beginning so the word inside HIM as well. Before you speak out , the word must surely be in you first , then you speak it out it become active but before the word was inside you until is out. And example two,a door is shorter than you if you want to enter what will you do? Does it change who you are?.

ashatoda:
@mizjanet i realise i need to answer ur question abt d 2 verses u referred to nd i bliv d Holy Spirit will speak thru me nd dat He will illuminate His word.
Psalm 90:2 says brought forth wich can also be cald creatn. But let ne point out sumtn ur fone was created by sumbody did he gave birth to it? Dere4 creatn does nt necasarily means givin birth to.

Of course , if that verse means CREATE , do u agree then that according to prov 8:24 the Christian Jesus was CREATED ?

1Co 16:22 If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him (her) be accursed. The Lord comes!