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| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Solo8(m): 1:41pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
omenka: Never heard your theory before and it makes zero sense. White people do not absorbs less sunlight, the skin is not a shirt. Questions like these have been answered decades ago. "Well, basically, this all boils down to a pigment called melanin. This is the dark pigment - if you're fair skinned, you can see it in your moles; if you're dark skinned, you have a lot of melanin all over your skin. And melanin is almost like the body's natural sunscreen, it helps to protect you against the damage that ultra-violet light can do. This means that people from countries that have dark skin, they're actually much less likely to get skin cancer. Us people with very fair, pale skin, when we're exposed to a lot of sun, a lot of ultra-violet radiation, our chances of getting skin cancer are actually much higher because the UV light from the sun can really penetrate into the skin. Whereas if you have dark skin, the melanin helps to protect you. There's also an interesting argument, some recent evidence, from Nina Jablonski; we heard her talking on the show recently about this, that very deep ultra-violet radiation can actually break down folic acid, folate, in your body. Obviously, you need to protect yourself against this happening because folate is really important for healthy metabolism and also for making healthy babies. So it's probably a natural defence mechanism that's evolved in people from countries where it's very hot to tend to have dark skin and lots of melanin to protect you." Sorry, not meaning to be rude but you did not just stomp science |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Solo8(m): 1:41pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Double post |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by adjoviomole(m): 1:44pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Solo8: _u are the one that knows nothing. Lord Kelvin (the 19th century physicist who introduced the Kelvin temperature scale) used this slowing rotation as a reason why the earth could not be very old. It is now known that the decline in the rotation rate is actually greater than previously thought by Kelvin (Thomas G. Barnes, "Physics: A Challenge to 'Geologic times'," Impact 16, July 1974). Consider this: If we were to extrapolate backward from our present earth spin rate, 5 million years ago, the planet would have been spinning so fast it would have changed the shape from a round globe to a flat pancake and would not have been able to support any type of life! MAYBE THE WORLD WAS FLAT AT ONE TIME! The fact is, the gradual reduction of the spin rate is proof positive that the earth is only several thousand years old! Magnetic Field Decay: As you probably know, the earth has a magnetic field. Without it, we could not use compasses to identify the direction of magnetic north which is close to the North Pole. Dr. Thomas G. Barnes, a physics teacher at the University of Texas, has authored a widely used college textbook on electricity and magnetism. Working with data collected over the past 135 years, he has pointed out that the earth's magnetic field is gradually decaying. In fact, he has shown that this magnetic field is decreasing exponentially, according to a decay law similar to the decay of radioactive substances. Since 1835 when German physicist K. F. Gauss made the first measurements of the earth's magnetic strength, global magnetism has decreased 14 percent! On the basis of facts obtained from 1835 to 1965, this magnetic field appears to have a half-life of just 1,400 years. On this basis, even 20,000 years ago there would have been enough "Joule" heat to liquefy the entire earth! One million years ago the earth would have had greater magnetism than all objects in the universe and it would have vaporized! From data gathered about the decreasing magnetism of planet earth it would appear that the earth could not be over 6,000 to 7,000 years old. What does that do the theory of evolutio |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by redvektor(m): 1:45pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
omenka:your own better me since the begining of dis year today na d second time i day go church. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by dustar: 1:45pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
We must understand dat we Christians are followers of Christ who was a born Jewish. Till today some Jewish laws are not practiced in Christianity. The bible is a collection of stories and therefore not all de details are written. Dat is y u have synoptic gospels saying desame tin in different ways. Adam lived close to a thousand years n dat is enough time for a Nigerian man to create a village wit his wife.so de Bible picking only cane n Abel Dos nt mean dey wey de only children. De might be odas whom have gone far n formed dia own place or country if u like n by den it was not written dat brodas shud nt marry sisters..dat law only came later. Am just saying tho. Cus by den it was just man n woman nt sister and broda... N hv u Eva imagined if God have destroyed dis world wit flood b4 as he destroyed it during Noah ?. Hv u imagined if maybe during de 1st destruction he destroyed only a group n left odas whom cud be dis oda countries u r saying. Imagine God also destroyed Noah..den de Bible will hv started from de great flood n no one will imagine a world b4 d flood..but de truth is dis stories are myths n it is with faith dat we Christians beliv n dis faith raised Jesus from de dead, makes de blind see n de lame walk. So y dought wat is working for u..till de day I die ama stay christian..be blessed n beliv. If u wanna liv Christianity just do it n stop digging reasons for ursef 1 Like |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Nobody: 1:48pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
omenka: Lol, I also asked myself this questions and I found some answers. Believe me u'll b shocked on how men have been decieved by tbe whites. #no racism. First we know that d people in ancient Egypt were blacks. Google it urself. Now when Moses was brought up by d daughter of d Pharoah, y is it that d Pharoah didn't know he was not his grandson. I mean if Moses was white he should have known. Also in d bible were people were cursed, some verses say their turned as white as snow. So what color must they have been b4? When Joseph's brothers sold him to Egypt, y is it that later on they didn't recongnice him. I mean if he was white they should have, especially among d black Egyptians. David said he was black nd beautiful. In Revelations God described himself. He has woolen hair. And if u still don't believe me read Deuteronomy 28. Then come bk and tell me which kinda continent does it sound like. Was it d so called jews in d middle east that were slaves in different country? Even during d Hitler's time they weren't slaves! Then y were important books of d bible removed, is it cos it pointed cleary out that they were blacks. Some even debated on removing Revolution. If u wanna know d truth then buy d OLD KJV, cos d new one is full of....Well, let's say many words have been changed D whites r d sons nd daughters of Esau. When Esau was born he was described as red haired etc. Nd that he'll be enemies to son nd daughtes of Jacob. I can't even type it all. For more information just follow this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX0DtMiYxEM It really helped me |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by herald9: 1:50pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:hmmmm I think that would've been a softer response to what you guys are doing to the world... no offeinse. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Rilwayne001: 1:53pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
herald9: We are not doing anything to the world. Forget the misguided fanatics. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Nobody: 2:00pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
It's a general fact that the Islam and Christianity agrees that all human beings came from the first man on earth call Adam and first woman on earth call Eve. The story of creation and multiplication is best known to God. The xtian point of view regards this topic can only be found in the various original books revealed during Moses,David and Injeel. The quran talked about this topic but summarily.It's the prophet pbhm, that talked in detail about creation and multiplication.Below is a quranic verse and hadith of the topic... Allah the Almighty says in the Holy Qur'an: "Tell them you the authentic story of the two sons of Adam, when an oblation was offered and he was accepted to one but the other is not." He said [the latter by envy his brother]: you shit. [His brother answering him] said: Allaah accepts only [the oblations] of the pious. While you lay your hand to kill me I not extend mine to do so, I am afraid to Allah Lord of the universe. I want to upload with the sin of killing myself over your other sins, and seas of the inhabitants of the fire. That is the punishment of the wicked. And his soul he instigated that he killed his brother and did, counting [with this] among the losers. Allah sent a Raven so it dig the earth and show him how to hide the corpse of his brother. He said: Woe to me! Is it that I am not able to be as this Raven and hide the body of my brother? "And [after burying] were among the repentant."(The served table; 5: 27-28-29-30-31) We will mention here what was narrated by the Sahabas (companions) and the Tabi'in (the first generation scholars). It is narrated by some of the companions that: Adam used to marry the son of a birth to the daughter of another birth. Abel (Habil) wanted to marry the sister of Cain (Cabil). Cain who was older than Abel and his twin sister was very beautiful. So Cain wanted to preserve his sister for it. Adam you order Cain who married his sister, with Abel, but he refused to do so. Then he ordered them both to offer a sacrifice and left for Mecca for the Hajj. Then that Adam is was, the brothers offered their sacrifices. Abel sacrificed a better offering (a robust lamb), he was pastor. While Cain offered a bale of the worst harvest which he had cultivated; a fire descended and ate the offering of Abel, and the sacrifice of Cain leaving untouched. He was infuriated and threatened to Abel: "I will kill you so you will not be able to marry my sister." Abel replied: "Allah only accepts from those who fear Him". In another version of Abdullah ibn Amr (radiallahu ´anhu) mentions the following: "by Allah" the victim (Abel) was stronger. "" But his obedience ¹ restricted it to lift his hands against his brother. According to Abu Ya´far, Adam was watching them to offer their sacrifices, and saw that it was accepted Abel's sacrifice. Cain said to Adam: "the offering of Abel was only accepted because you prayed for him and not for my". Then he threatened his brother and said what we previously explained. One night, Abel does not return his flock grazing. Adam then sent to Cain to see what had happened. When Cain was looking for him, he found him and he complained again: "your offering was accepted but mine was not" Abel replied: "only Allah accepts from those who fear Him". Cain was angry to hear this, and hit his brother with an iron that was in his hand and then killed him. It was also said that it killed by tapping it in the head with a rock while he slept. It was also said that he strangled it to kill him and hit him as if it were a beast. But Allah knows best. The attitude of Abel against the threat of his brother is a sign of his noble character and piety. He controlled himself from having with his brother have the same treatment in which his brother addressed him, as it clarifies the following verse: "Although you lay your hand to kill me I do not extend mine to do so, I fear Allah Lord of the universe". (5: 28) 1 Like |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by herald9: 2:03pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:So I should blame the branch and not the tree? That's funny. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by koreskbv(m): 2:13pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Mr man, these questions u are asking has already been answered in various ways, just do ur research very well. coming to Adam and eve being the first humans can not be disputed. go look for the documentary titled [the original eve] by national geographic channel. the scientists who did the documentary concluded that life started from two people in Africa, we are all genetically connected. about Cain and Abel, i believe Cain married his own stock. there is lots of time laps in the early days, people lived hundreds of years as such there's possibility of more procreation from same parents even when you have long left them. About the big bang, though don't believe in it anyway, let me ask u one question, what led to the big bang? definitely its a force that started it. so who is behind the force.............GOD. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by telad(m): 2:14pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
my question to Op is this; look at your clock or watch. 60secs makes 1min, 60mins makes an hour and so on. Now did your clock/watch occur naturally or someone design/created it? your answer to the above should also apply to the planetary system that rotate n evolve in an organized fashion like clock, day n night, plants n animal n human beings. now to the your question. Plants n animals that has male n female was not created in the image of God, God has no male or female. hence man needs to first be created from which the female version (Eve) was also created. So it was all planned by God. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Solo8(m): 2:16pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
adjoviomole: Next time edit your copy and paste to make sense. You have no idea or understand what you are googling. Theoretical physics does not disprove darwins theory of evolution, if so cite the peer reviewed paper and explain yourself. Dr Barnes is a creationist have been knocked down over and over again for not scientifically proving or backing his theory. He just took some falsified data and basically jumped to conclusions. There is no evidence for a 7000 yr old earth. Science doesn't work like that, that's why we are able to invent the device you are typing your bullcrap from. Go read http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/magfields.html |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by lasiz(m): 2:23pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
I'm sorry, I'm not a Christian, but I will like to say this Adam was the first human created. Allah created Adam from mud, that is the reason why we have people with different race and body colour. Allah mudded him and left him for 40 years before he was finally given life through Allah's breath. Allah later created Eve from Adam's rid. That is why Adam is the only person having no father and mother, but people may ask that 'what of Eve'. Adam is regarded as Eve's father because she was created from Adam. Adam and Eve gave birth to twin twenty times(making 40 children) through the command, favour and mercy of Allah. It was their offspring (Adam's and Eve's)that later married one another and that was how they kept increasing. Allah(SWT) knows best |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Kanocity(m): 2:25pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Permit me, my brothers n sisters to ISLAMICALLY explain 'this' questions. Although, d christianity's version differ in some ways to islamic one. In islam, Adam was d 1st human being created by God's own hand from clay and out of or from his(adam's) rib's bone Eve was created. God created all the connections btwn male and female and He paired them up(Adam and Eve) as husand and wife respectively. Upon d creation of Adam, God had given him the knowledge of everything-in such a way dt Adam would knw d names of all things, their meanings and how to make use of them etc! Both Adam and Eve as a spouse were living or had lived comfortably in the heaven untill the time they were deceived by satan to eating from a certain tree they were ordered not to by the God !! They were punished by God in that they were expelled from the heaven into the earth! This is hw human race got to become the dwellers of d earth. So, Adam and Eve started giving birth of twins and they married each other among themselves and it continued like that till date. ON WHY THERE ARE DIFFERENT RACE, REMEMBER ADAM WAS CREATED WITH CLAY-so d clay with which he was created was d mixture of all types, hence, different colors in his children to reflect d origin of his creation. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Nobody: 2:37pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
khachee:....what i was trying to say is...if u peradventure u marry your sister back then....you dont call her your sister or blood again....it was situation that forced abraham to say such instead...he wul av referred to her as his wife.... |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Nobody: 2:39pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
omenka: Good afternoon. Not an expert....but this might be useful Modern astronomy, the Bible and Creation.: http://incolor.inetnebr.com/gaskell/Martin_Gaskell_Bible_Astronomy.html |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Nobody: 2:45pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
tjkadzyanju:you digressing from the main issue. I rest my case...btw, were you angry when you were registering on nairaland because your username looks like something that is being written in pandemonium |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by DeacJO: 2:49pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
WELL ADAM HAD SONS N DAUGHTER AFTER CAIN N ABEL ADAM LIVED T BE 930YRS HE HAD A LOT OF DAUGHTERS INCEST WAS PERMITTED THOSE DAYS AFTER D FLOOD D SONS SON OF NOAH R RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL RACE WHEN I GET HOME I SEND D GENEALOGY OF HUMAN RACE TO U, 1 Like |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by daimlerbenz: 2:52pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
My response to this thread is complicated and full of questions for those concerned. Why and why and why again do you seek to disprove my belief? Why, if you say we are intolerant do you seek to become intolerant of us - people of faith? We don't persecute you and force you to become people of faith, why do you want to convince us otherwise? You - people of no faith - always say our belief is an infringement of human rights. Don't you think in your wisdom you will be infringing on my human right of choice to belief? Does my belief drill a hole in your head? I guess no is the answer. Why do you want to drill a hole in my heart by wanting to impose your belief of no God on me? Think, are you being fair? Come to think of it, if Man had a solution and knowledge to all things, won't man be gods? What makes God God can't, won't and will never be understood by Man no matter how much man seeks, no matter the amount of research. For the big bang and evolution theorists I ask you, when will man evolve to another species? and please don't tell me it will be achieved by technology cause if this is true, then why did we evolve from monkeys and chimps? They would have simply also evolved to better technologies and not Homo Sapiens. I stop for now. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Donald80(m): 3:27pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Read d bible very well.....after Cain n Abel,Adam n Eve had other children includn male n female......before Cain killed Abel....dey were full grown men so other offspring of Adam n Eve were grown too n given birth D story abt d Morite n Amorites.....d two women slept wit dere father for dem to take in...dat generation continued....God is nt a man dat we shld question Science is way backward in d tns abt God.....science shld explained wen bones form in d womb....science can nt produce d same blood dat runs in man Pls lets read d book of Job 38 n 39 very well....answer any of d questions or let science answer any of d question.... wen men were buildn a tower to near heaven n hear God....God placed confusion,changed dere language n ethnicity Go to london n stay for good 5yrs n see if ur skin colour wont change because of d weather...... Isaac n ishmael who came first?....find out.....is God partial?....God is beyond human comprehension....God bless u all |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Nobody: 3:31pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
The Bible tells us that Cain went to the land of Nod with his wife (Genesis 4:16,17). So, where did his wife come from? This is the question that Bible critics like to use to try to stump Christians. Many Christians are confused by this question but the answer is really very simple. Although only Cain, Abel and Seth are mentioned by name, in Genesis 5:4 it says that Eve had sons and daughters. Cain must have married his sister or perhaps his niece or grandniece. But that’s incest! Actually, God did not forbid marrying close relations until Leviticus 18 with the Mosaic Law. After all, intermarriage was necessary to propagate humankind. God must have ordained it in the beginning or else He would have created more than one couple. You may still argue that marrying close relations causes deformities. That is true today, but it was not true then. To understand this we must discuss a little genetics. The problems that occur with marrying close relations are the result of similarities in the gene pool of the pair. That is, if a copying mistake (a mutation) has occurred somewhere along the line, it is more likely to be passed along when a couple is more closely related because their gene pool is similar. After creating Adam and Eve on day six, God said, “It is very good.” Thus, Adam’s genetic make-up was “very good.” That is, he did not have any mistakes in his genes. Adam’s sin brought God’s curse and the corruption and decay that we see in the world today (Romans 1:22). Starting with a pure gene pool it would have taken a while for problems to occur. Hence, there would be no mutant genes in Adam’s children. That means it would be impossible for a genetic problem to occur by Cain marrying his sister. Knowing this, we have great proof for creation. The reason there are problems is because of these mistakes, mutations. Thus, it is simply illogical to think that mutations cause evolution. In fact, the more time, the more likely mutations will cause more harmful, crippling problems. Some say there was a “pre-Adamic” race in the neighborhood and Cain married one of them. That is not possible because the Bible is clear that Adam was the first man (1 Corinthians 15:45) and Eve was “the mother of all living” (Genesis 3:20). Another argument some have is about Genesis 4:14. Here we are told Cain was fearful of vengeance from others. The problem, they say, is where did all the people come from for Cain to be fearful of? Again, the answer is simple. Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters who undoubtedly had other sons and daughters. Adam lived to be 930 years old (Genesis 5:5); before the Flood life spans were much longer. Therefore, the environment could have been much healthier and they could have had many, many children. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by davien(m): 3:32pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:what's really funny is that to make your belief less crazy you'd resort to lying....this is what usually happens when you push a theist to the wall.... How does my atheism imply any belief? Or conclusion....does not believing in santa claus means I accept thor?  This is the cowardice of some theists, in which to make their beliefs less absurd they'd have to lie or make funny accusations to do it... |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Emyogalanya: 3:39pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Let me try 1 it seems there are two accounts of creation in genesis 2 the writer moses was not really interested in details as we are now cain said anyone who finds him will kill him anybody could stil be adam and eve well ppl dont marry on time so adam will have given birth to women whom he met and married no incest was no crime at that time |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by ugoezeik(m): 3:51pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
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| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Truflame: 3:54pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Everything which ensue from God can be reasonably explained. We failed to explain the history of creation because of our inability to contemplate the scheme of things spiritually. Instead we overwhelmingly rely on the physical meanings of everything we see and read. -Garden of Eden is the spiritual home of man, not a country located on earth! -Adam and Eve stands for the human family. Ofcourse, Adam and Eve represent the first time humanity set foot on earth! |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by SonOfTheMostHigh(m): 3:57pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Don't expect everything that happened to be written in the bible. We have book of Moses which wasn't included and I also have a bible containing some other parts of the bible which wasn't including in the general bible. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by FarmTech(m): 4:03pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
Cain married one of his sisters. Apart from Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve gave birth to other numerous childrens, but the focus was on Cain and Abel. Remember that God told them to multiply and fill the earth. So they don't have to live together. Cain and Abel as the first sons may have decided to live close to their parents but other children may have decided to live very far off. I don't see anything confusing there. For those criticizing the bible, you'll discover how foolish u are whenever u sit down and STUDY the bible. You can't just glance thru the bible once in a while and expect to understand the deeper meaning. .. Finally, if you find the bible contradictory, it's bc u don't study it. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by holaoluwai: 4:19pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
I believe that after Adam and eve, God created other humans because the bible said somewhere in Gensis "He created them both male and female" so my belief is that Adam and eve were d first humans but not d only ones. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by Bome01(m): 4:36pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
adjoviomole:Hmm. . . How does this disprove evolution or how does this relate to the argument? Enlighten me please. |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by chukzzy1(m): 4:47pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
princedegreat:I If Cain married his sister,that is inces***t right? Leviticus 18:6... |
| Re: The Creation- How Compelling Is The Christian Narative? by chukzzy1(m): 4:53pm On Jun 28, 2015 |
holybizzy:you curse somebody for airing his views  ?? Since when did human beings start fighting for God? |
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