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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by NgeneUkwenu(f): 7:13pm On Jun 28, 2015
ObinnaIzuora:



Ngwakwe is a known devil. He gave out info/IP location of some peeps to some people here, FACT.

#FACT: He compromised a lot of people's privacy here. When he was a moderator, He actually gave one guy, a name that appeared in my email exchange with him to enable the guy track me grin grin grin I just laughed off their foolishness then. Ndi Ara!

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by LouisVanGaal(m): 7:20pm On Jun 28, 2015
MizMyColi:


If anything, I have learned that you can't be neck deep politics and maintain an optimal level of objectivity. To do that, you ought to play surface politics.

Secondly, except you choose to tow the path of hypocrisy here......seriously, do you want to compare the wanton attacks on Barcanista by APC folks on here?
Barcanista ought to speak for himself, but the fact that he opened that thread is a testament to the fact that despite our disagreeing with his MO, we still accorded him a level of respect.

You don't openly apologize to a people who treated you like a rag and tried to bring nothing but shame to your name.
Every attack on Barcanista alone is JUSTIFIED!!! How do you explain a person that prior to Feb17,2015 or there about spent his entire energy canvassing support even going extra-miles to defend 'Buharism' on NL...did you know the level of influence he had on some persons? Formerly, i used be on guest mode here, but he dragged me out due to the quality of his write ups and his doggedness...we thought he had an ideology or philosophy..we NEVER knew that he is a 'mercenary gladiator'...Mind you, before his conversion to APC last year,he was in the PDP camp...my dear, na how many times person de convert?
I recall vividly, july last year, a particular thread he openned..congratulating himself and ALL progressives for their resilience in silencing most of PDP monikers in these forum..i recall succintly how he aknowledged how our effort played a great role in the removal of Ngwakwe from his position then..how he claimed we gave monikers such as descartes, tomakint, firefire, phockphockman,mogidi and some other prominent monikers that i cant recollect their identities a forced annonymous leave and there about...
Please, any attack on Barca is justified...he's too self-seeking, except you too blind to notice...

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by realborn(m): 7:20pm On Jun 28, 2015
MizMyColi:


If anything, I have learned that you can't be neck deep politics and maintain an optimal level of objectivity. To do that, you ought to play surface politics.

Secondly, except you choose to tow the path of hypocrisy here......seriously, do you want to compare the wanton attacks on Barcanista by APC folks on here?
Barcanista ought to speak for himself, but the fact that he opened that thread is a testament to the fact that despite our disagreeing with his MO, we still accorded him a level of respect.

You don't openly apologize to a people who treated you like a rag and tried to bring nothing but shame to your name.

For NL to go beyond quantity (growing number of members) to quality (astute number of members) certain level of objectivity must be maintained amongst members. Nairaland will contribute more to governance in Nigeria if we had more objective posts than subjective posts. Growing a fan base of supposed "like minds" all in a bid to vehemently oppose the other, sometimes sacrificing truth like APC and PDP goons or Yorubas and Igbos do all the time is unnecessary and smirks of "attention disorder deficit" or an extreme case of inferiority complex.

If one represents a group of people or is a member of an organisation that misconstrue's ones opinion, the best approach will be to further elucidate on ones opinion as against acceptance of breach of trust and expression of overt regret soaked in an apology.

I condemn completely everyone who made efforts to blackmail or ridicule extensively or beyond limits, Barcanista's change of affiliation from APC to PDP. It is human to react, however it must be done reasonably, not vexatiously and with apposite civility.

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by IsraeliAIRFORCE: 7:30pm On Jun 28, 2015
MizMyColi:


Are you succinctly predicting a re-defection?

I was once in the process of getting a job offer from an APC stalwart.
The thought of changing my song and views to suit theirs tied knots in my belly.
I even had a dream in that regard, only this time, it was the national leader, I was visibly unsettled and rejected him. It felt like i would be under a bondage.

My point is, may God never allow me change my song in order to provide for my belly, Amen.

That said, I see nothing wrong in singing a song that ultimately pays off for my belly in the long run.


Most Politicians are not all that deeply mingled with the platform that gave them ticket for election having paid for their tickets rather their preoccupation lies with their personal goodwill before the people who will be willing to return them irrespective of political party.

Ask Gov Tambuwal, Saraki, Dogara etal who wish to be in APC but still maintain their nPDP clique and fight for relevance in APC as a bloc.
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by MizMyColi(f): 7:37pm On Jun 28, 2015
realborn:


For NL to go beyond quantity (growing number of members) to quality (astute number of members) certain level of objectivity must be maintained amongst members. Nairaland will contribute more to governance in Nigeria if we had more objective posts than subjective posts. Growing a fan base of supposed "like minds" all in a bid to vehemently oppose the other, sometimes sacrificing truth like APC and PDP goons or Yorubas and Igbos do all the time is unnecessary and smirks of "attention disorder deficit" or an extreme case of inferiority complex.

If one represents a group of people or is a member of an organisation that misconstrue's ones opinion, the best approach will be to further elucidate on ones opinion as against acceptance of breach of trust and expression of overt regret soaked in an apology.

I condemn completely everyone who made efforts to blackmail or ridicule extensively or beyond limits, Barcanista's change of affiliation from APC to PDP. It is human to react, however it must be done reasonably, not vexatiously and with apposite civility.

Well said.
I personally want to be more objective than partisan, but with this new govt, that will take time and a level of foot hold.

It is sad that it is what we have reduced NL to.
One way or another, we all played a part.
I have reduced my activity on here in a bid to remedy that.
But then again, isn't that what politics in the mainstream is all about?
It's merely rubbing off on us.

Look at the emboldened above, if I had seen 3 or 4 posts like that, I prolly wouldn't have been where i am now.
I first adopted PDP out of sentiments, and then later realized, it's where I wanna be.

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by MizMyColi(f): 7:44pm On Jun 28, 2015
IsraeliAIRFORCE:


Most Politicians are not all that deeply mingled with the platform that gave them ticket for election having paid for their tickets rather their preoccupation lies with their personal goodwill before the people who will be willing to return them irrespective of political party.

Ask Gov Tambuwal, Saraki, Dogara etal who wish to be in APC but still maintain their nPDP clique and fight for relevance in APC as a bloc.

Well, what you said isn't far from KB's opinion.
Sad realistic truth.

Today i have come to terms with the fact that politics isn't about common interests, but personal interests.
It makes me wonder how well suited i am for this game, given my people oriented nature. If there is a literal heaven? Can politicians make it?
I'll keep on though.
If there's a will, then there is a way.

Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by LouisVanGaal(m): 8:01pm On Jun 28, 2015
@realborn; bros, barcanista when he first joined Nairaland was a PDP fanatic, then later joined APC, now back to PDP...do you expect such person to be taken serious?? In reality, the real notable politicians in Nigeria to me is Tinubu and David Mark..and thats how it should be...uphold the tenet of your party..if at all they dont have ideologies at all...in US or britain..Democrats have their own way of doing things, and its far parallel to that of republicans...they defend their stand on matters, good or bad...whether the party is progressing or not..they stick and try to build the party! Not what we have here in Nigeria...
That's not politics, but crass unseriousness..

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by kaboninc(m): 8:02pm On Jun 28, 2015
LouisVanGaal:
NL APC lost Barcanista, yeah!! But we won the election..thats all that matters....

No sir....wining in this kind of game is not all that matters but keeping what you won is.

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by Whynotthetruth(m): 8:04pm On Jun 28, 2015
LouisVanGaal:
Look @ the bunch of 'noise makers' that you associating with? I challenge you to go thru most of their statements/comments here, you would see that 90% of them are actually filled with hate, lies, propagandas and unprintable names...esp Severussnape,biafranqueen,temitem1,ecoterrors and etc..the ONLY sensible monikers in TANoid camp is datolee,barcanista,you and descartes
My grouse with you is these your over bloated persona of being 'objective'...You a partizan, a strong 1...if not, you would NOT tag a 'group' of persons...either from APC or PDP...better still you would combine representative monikers from both camp...
NL APC lost Barcanista, yeah!! But we won the election..thats all that matters...and we would prefer he remains with the PDP and keep losing; than for we having a 'snake'..a mercinery!!! Why should he be tendering 'Apology' for stating whats true And you happy to allign with or defend such persons? Go back to Romance section...the 'politics' played in these section is not suitable for you...

Braggarts and touts with identity crisis abi inferiority complex

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by xtervaganza(m): 8:08pm On Jun 28, 2015
oga oooo......making a star out of a political beggar like barcanista is disheartening
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by IsraeliAIRFORCE: 8:13pm On Jun 28, 2015
MizMyColi:


Well, what you said isn't far from KB's opinion.
Sad realistic truth.

Today i have come to terms with the fact that politics isn't about common interests, but personal interests.
It makes me wonder how well suited i am for this game, given my people oriented nature. If there is a literal heaven? Can politicians make it?
I'll keep on though.
If there's a will, then there is a way.


The best for you is to adopt my model.

1. No matter how irritating your critics may be, always be polite in your choice of words.

2. Avoid using unwarranted abusive/insulting words/acronyms on politicians.

3. Don't accuse anybody of a crime, the court never pronounced.

4. Avoid unprofitable threads that are less informative and unintelligent.

5. Try providing links to support your debates.

6. Give way and accept superior argument.

7. Elevate intellectual debates and be convincing till conclusive end.

8. Quit replying attention seekers.

9. Aim at deconstructing and settling aside prejudices conceived on false information and half truth.

10. Accept corrections if appropriate and learn from your mistakes.

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by LouisVanGaal(m): 8:15pm On Jun 28, 2015
kaboninc:


No sir....wining in this kind of game is not all that matters but keeping what you won is.
No Sir...a loyal donkey is far better than a disloyal elephant..in terms of possession..just think about it

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by MizMyColi(f): 8:22pm On Jun 28, 2015
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IsraeliAIRFORCE:


The best for you is to adopt my model.

1. No matter how irritating your critics may be, always be polite in your choice of words.

2. Avoid using unwarranted abusive/insulting words/acronyms on politicians.

3. Don't accuse anybody of a crime, the court never pronounced.

4. Avoid unprofitable threads that are less informative and unintelligent.

5. Try providing links to support your debates.

6. Give way and accept superior argument.

7. Elevate intellectual debates and be convincing till conclusive end.

8. Quit replying attention seekers.

9. Aim at deconstructing and settling aside prejudices conceived on false information and half truth.

10. Accept corrections if appropriate and learn from your mistakes.

This is more than I asked for.
Thank You.

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by chidekings(m): 8:48pm On Jun 28, 2015
NgeneUkwenu:
You whip him into line.... cheesy!


Anyway, this sounds more like a lamentation thread to me... But wetin concern me sef?

lalasticlala, Ishilove, abeg take this thread to Romance Section. Thank You angry



Even to a mere guest reading this page,he would readily know why APC is so much a party with faults.apart from their different personal ambitions ,they are very unclout with words.

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by Nobody: 8:55pm On Jun 28, 2015
Whynotthetruth:


I already did bro...Anytime such threads that pander to APC by way of advising them on how to put their house in order etc are opened by you; my gift will be a resounding silence to the thread because I am in opposition... Unless APC falters, I cannot gain...so why help them not to falter...this is politics not religion bro




the guy matter tire me.....making ur own job hard for urself...
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by francizy(m): 8:59pm On Jun 28, 2015
MizMyColi:
This thread won't be complete without Dearpreye's and Francizy's inputsad

Babe, I don't think there's a need trying to talk sense into these people. Are you trying to bring home a tiger to pass for a domestic pet? We can't change them, so the best thing is for us to let them live with their embittered and hate filled lives.

It's only in Nigeria that armed robbers, prostitutes, fraudstars, hoodlums, murderers, etc, will look at their president and say he's corrupt without looking back at the damages they've done to other people in the past.

Takia of you..

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by Nobody: 9:11pm On Jun 28, 2015
ECOTERRORS:
I remember I had my reservations for that thread but my comment was still an opinion I hold in high esteem which is *The enemy of my enemy is my friend*, I remember seeing a post where barcanista countered it but I kept my cool because Our opinions can't be the same on all matters



I liked that post of yours. ..
apt reply
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by hedonistic: 9:56pm On Jun 28, 2015
I was hoping that this addendum would address something else that is very important. I am not sure what the so-called comparison between Saraki and Tinubu hopes to achieve. If the aim is to demonstrate why Tinubu is somehow 'superior' to Saraki and ultimately why Saraki should answer 'yes sir' to Tinubu, then I would have to say that that is ridiculous and totally senseless.

Tinubu has zero contribution to Saraki's political career, and both men are Godfathers in their respective rights. It will be idiiiotic for anyone to expect Saraki to defer to Tinubu for any reason. For what?
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by Alphaoscar: 10:25pm On Jun 28, 2015
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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by idu1(m): 10:52pm On Jun 28, 2015
Mizmycoli na u dey buy internet datas for barcnister abi?


Is he your boyfriend now?

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by vicadex07(m): 3:20am On Jun 29, 2015
Whynotthetruth:


I already did bro...Anytime such threads that pander to APC by way of advising them on how to put their house in order etc are opened by you; my gift will be a resounding silence to the thread because I am in opposition... Unless APC falters, I cannot gain...so why help them not to falter...this is politics not religion bro

This hear is the bane of all politicians in Nigeria...selfish interest.

Why not put first the interest of Nigerians at heart and pray that whoever is in power succeeds instead of actively sabotaging their efforts?

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by vicadex07(m): 3:29am On Jun 29, 2015
MizMyColi:


My Political Naivety or Not does not exclude the fact that prior to that thread being created, and Saraki's ultimate emergence, most PDP supporters felt a sense of all round loss in the grand scheme of things.

Also, who could have thought at the time, that Saraki could/would beat Tinubu at his game?
I didn't.
No APC supporter saw it coming nor even gave it a second thought.
It was either Tinubu's way or the highway.

That should suffice for something for Barca.
He led the thought process on Saraki's possible emergence.
It paid off, big timegrin

Lol...you have meta-morphosized into such a big hypocrite...as if PDP ever saw their humongous defeat coming grin

So barca led the thought process on sarakis emergence (and suddenly becomes your hero) but couldn't predict PDP's woeful performance at the presidential, gubernatorial, senatorial and house of rep elections.... grin

You're such a joke grin

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by vicadex07(m): 3:33am On Jun 29, 2015
barcanista:
You mistake "GEJ is a democratic hero" for "GEJ is not corrupt"

Lol...you mean GEJ is democratic with corruption...cool

Corruption of the people, by the people and for the people grin
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by vicadex07(m): 3:42am On Jun 29, 2015
Whynotthetruth:


@bolded...I challenge you this day to do your own analysis which would sound coherent, logical and realistic...I need to confirm your ingenuity, smartness, prowess and sagacity in political analysis... otherwise you will be termed as a sadist and myopic bingo who's jealous of another's superior gift and prowess...because I am intimidated by barcanista apt analysis of political issues and events as much as Mizmycoli is...

Remember to copy us or me in your threads plzzzz...

the fact that she has a subtle way with words doesn't necessarily equate to political sagacity

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Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by Freelancer00(m): 5:23am On Jun 29, 2015
Keep massaging egos. Its soothing.
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by Caseless: 11:04am On Jun 29, 2015
MizMyColi:
This is an addendum and equally a response emanating from this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2409187/saraki-vs-tinubu-comparism-why

DISCLAIMER

It is usually not in my everyday nature to appear dissident to my easy going and agreeable persona.
I have decided to do the opposite of my ordinary personality pattern, to check in with myself to find my own truth and to find the courage to express my opinion even if it means disagreeing with almost everyone.
.
.
.

It is a sad pity that whenever Barcanista says stuff that sounds good to the ears of APC folks on here, he is "objective" and "should stop playing partisan politics, so he can have a wider reach"
But when he does the complete opposite, even when it is apparent he speaks the truth and fact, he is met with open condemnation, and more or less, incorrigible counter attacks
You lost an asset in Barcanista.
#Fact

I remember clearly that it was a seemingly objective thread like this that he opened and you all came calling for his head.
Even when he clearly didn't mean to defect, your accusations, counter accusations and vituperations led the young man, unwittingly to adopt PDP.
And thankfully, the PDP e-constituency on Nairaland is better for it.

Take a look at that thread, 7 pages and counting, how many of our people do you see lampooning him like the APC did?
It is called tolerance and giving your own the benefit of a doubt! even though it looked as if he was gradually warming his way back into the APC.

What some of us did was to contact him privately to know exactly what he is up to.

For Your Information, this is Barcanista's stand as of today 28th June, 2015.
@Barcanista, if I have forged any of what I am about to write below, please feel free to refute it.
Thank You.

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undecided undecided undecided
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by MizMyColi(f): 11:06am On Jun 29, 2015
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by Caseless: 11:07am On Jun 29, 2015
MizMyColi:
cheesy
*downcasts my head and walks out*
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by MizMyColi(f): 11:08am On Jun 29, 2015
embarassed
Caseless:
*downcasts my head and walks out*
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by Caseless: 11:21am On Jun 29, 2015
MizMyColi:
embarassed
you are supporting his rebellion against us, right? God diaris undecided
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by MizMyColi(f): 11:38am On Jun 29, 2015
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Caseless:
you are supporting his rebellion against us, right? God diaris undecided
You know that's not true...
Re: On The Saraki-Tinubu Comparison; An Addendum And A Response To Barcanista by Whynotthetruth(m): 11:58am On Jun 29, 2015
vicadex07:


This hear is the bane of all politicians in Nigeria...selfish interest.

Why not put first the interest of Nigerians at heart and pray that whoever is in power succeeds instead of actively sabotaging their efforts?

Did you learn that word newly?...otherwise how did I sabotage the president or my country?...

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