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Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Nobody: 11:29am On Jul 19, 2015 |
ShayGirl:He said that to fulfil the Scripture that says in the book of Psalms "My God why hast thou forsaken me" this is just a fulfilment of the Scripture. |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212: 12:39pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
sportsmaster:God bless you my Good friend, that is the points. |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212: 12:57pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
ShayGirl:This does not show a contradiction any more than two witnesses to an accident at an intersection will come up with two different scenarios of that accident, depending on where they stood. Neither witness would be incorrect, as they describe the event from a different perspective. Luke was not a witness to the event, and so is dependent on those who were there. John was a witness. What they are both relating, however, is that at the end Jesus gave himself up to death. It could be said that Luke used the last words that he felt were necessary for his gospel account, which concentrated on the humanity of Christ (noted in the earlier question), while John, as well as quoting the last words of Jesus, was interested in the fulfilment of the salvific message, and so quoted the last phrase “it is finished”. John 17:4 records Jesus’ prayer to the Father in the light of Christ’s forthcoming crucifixion, stating that He had completed the work of revelation (John 1:18), and since revelation is a particular stress of the Gospel of John, and the cross is the consummation of that commission (John 3:16), it is natural that this Gospel should centre on tetelestai. At any rate, if Jesus said ‘It is finished; Father into your hands I commit my spirit’ or vice versa, it would be quite in order to record either clause of this sentence, his last words. Luke-Acts reaches its conclusion without any climax, because the continuing ministry of the exalted Christ through the Holy Spirit and the Church has no ending prior to the Parousia, and to record tetelestai might have undermined this emphasis, or it could have been taken the wrong way. At any rate, no contradiction is involved; purely a distinction of emphasis. |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Presbulg(m): 1:13pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Can you pls elaborate ? Thanks |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by ShayGirl(f): 1:19pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
sportsmaster: Thanx.... I think u're right |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by zeetyzin(m): 1:20pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
call a spade a spade....d bible is filled with scientific, historical , and simple errors and contradictions...elaborating will juz be a waste of tym...u guys still wouldn't bulge.. |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by ShayGirl(f): 1:22pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: I understand u perfectly well,but what I meant was why are the accounts different from each other with Jesus's last word on the cross...Thanx. |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Presbulg(m): 1:23pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Opinions opinions opinions,NO GENUINE or VALID answer Ifs buts and maybes But why would a book written by men you people claim were inspired by God say contradictory things 1 Like |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by ShayGirl(f): 1:24pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
malvisguy212: . Much more explanatory.... Thanx |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by zeetyzin(m): 1:29pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
sportsmaster:if d bible is really a book of God, why den are such reports contradictory? its juz common sense ....for example, u wanna get a book which explains a particular topic.... in dat same book, four different ppl report four contradictory incidents regarding d topic u wanna research on...wouldn't u dismiss such book as inconclusive??...if d bible is really a book inspired by God, none of its reports should av any iota of error in it as God is all supreme and very perfect! PEACE! 1 Like |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Presbulg(m): 1:33pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Lol... Source? Seems to me you just picked the one that that suits you Or Do I need need devine intervention to understand ? |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Presbulg(m): 1:35pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
zeetyzin: Lol... Explanations formed on opinions and no valid evidence. |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by zeetyzin(m): 1:57pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
Presbulg:lol....evidence u say...wat more dyu need? |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Presbulg(m): 2:11pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
zeetyzin: Salam We're on the same school of thought my bro in Islam. I actually supported you up there |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212: 2:54pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
Presbulg:after I provide bible verse you are still asking for source? 2 Samuel 21:18 But the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Aiah's daughter Rizpah, whom she had borne to Saul, together with the five sons of Saul's daughter Merab, whom she had borne to Adriel son of Barzillai the Meholathite. |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212: 3:06pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
ShayGirl:First, John was nearer to the cross and probably heard things the others didn't. John is referred to in scripture as the disciple that Jesus loved (John 13:23). Notice he is mentioned as being near the cross of Jesus. John 19:25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son," and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home." Notice, in the verse above, Jesus is speaking only to Mary and John who are directly below the cross. When John recounts the events at the cross, he's focusing on what was said privately to him at the foot of the cross and what's said to those standing close by - the plea of thirst, the statement of completion, and the turning over of responsibility for Jesus' mother to John. Matthew focused on the words Jesus said "in a loud voice" to all that were there (the crowd). The Last thing Matthew heard was "My god, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Then a loud cry before giving up the ghost. Luke hears the same loud cry that Matthew mentions, but also hears after that, probably because he's closer, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit". It makes sense that he would say "My God, My God..." in a louder voice than he would say his last words commending his spirit into the father's hands. When Jesus asked for something to drink, he was speaking to those below the cross where John was standing. John heard what the others farther back heard, but also heard the dialogue about asking the people near the cross for water and his quieter statement, "It is finished". Here are the three accounts put together: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?' that is to say, 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'....Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice said , 'Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:' (notice the cry with a loud voice is separated from Jesus commending His spirit, probably quieter), then he said softly, 'It is finished:' and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Nobody: 3:23pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
zeetyzin: Time to start tutorials again.. Firstly,BIBLE is not the Word of God. Jesus is the Word of God,see heb4:12-13,notice the word "HE",Rev19:22,John 1:1-14.. The bible is referred to as the written word.the bible is honoured because it speaks of the person of Christ. It is not everything that the people spoke about God is true.especially the Old testament folks. Lemme explain in detail. Please follow this analogy through. In a Board of meeting,we have the chairman,secretary,CEO,MD,AMD, and other officials. The role of the secretary is to take the "minutes" of the meeting. The chairman says :All fishes can fly. The M.D says:Babies dont cry. The secretary then records all of these statements. The above statements are not true. The statements are rightly recorded but they are not true. Same thing applies to the bible,the believer has to rightly divide. The bible has to be rightly divided. The bible is a Christo-centric book. It is Christ-centered. If any book was excluded from the bible,it is because it never spoke of the Person Of Christ Jesus. Christ is the message of the scriptures. From Genesis- Revelation it had one message "CHRIST". I explained this in one of my threads. www.nairaland.com/2407672/rhema-logos Like i said earlier Mattew,Mark,Luke,John are Eye-witnesses accounts,they wrote must what they must have seen or heard. John iterates this in John 20:30. It is when you put them together that you will get a clear picture of all that happened. Waiting for contributions,oppostions etc. Cc vooks,WinsomeX,Joagbaje,Gombs,olaadegbu,jagoon,gabazin080,bingbagbo,An2elect,scholar8200,Great0,winner01,KingEbukasBlog,nynbrada,NumberOne3,NumberOne2,annyplenty,malvisguy212,italo,soye3,starlingslimnet,Ebi4life,jcross19,effie03,ProphetUdeme,angieberry,Muttleylaff,Barnabaseloka,Lateralmaths,vfactor,tallesty1,obillyj,undabridge,marvelito,Tjayjosh, 3 Likes |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212: 3:23pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
Presbulg:come in this thread and take the challenge for the quran https://www.nairaland.com/2381817/contradictions-analyzed-bible-quran |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Presbulg(m): 3:25pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Why is this particular verse correct and the other is not correct according to you? 1 Like |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Nobody: 3:31pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
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Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Nobody: 3:33pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
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Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Nobody: 3:41pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
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Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by NumberOne2(m): 4:14pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: ...and your questions came from your head? sportsmaster: Bro, here is my answer to this thread. Misconceptions happen when context is poorly understood. I have seen many threads on NL started cos someone did not understand context. I will not explain English context anyone except a believer. This is not the case here. Those asking questions DONT seek to learn EVEN when VALID answers are given, so whats the point? 1 Like |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Nobody: 4:27pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
NumberOne2: Give this Guy a bottle of COKE. 1 Like |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by mustymatic(m): 4:34pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Malvis these aren't the kinds of contradictions you can manipulate, when something says one it should be one throughout, are you following? The thing is many authors can't come to a conclusion when they're writing the same storybook |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by mustymatic(m): 4:38pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:malvisguy212, how do you defend this for example? 36 or 26th |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by mustymatic(m): 4:45pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
sportsmaster:O boy! You're contradicting yourself here o, I thought Christians think it was inspired by god, mek una edit am, nothing like they didn't capture all events una god no tel dem 1 Like |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Nobody: 5:10pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
mustymatic:the last thing i would do in this forum is to argue or try to explain bible subjects to an athiest |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Nobody: 5:30pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
ShayGirl: |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Nobody: 5:32pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
ShayGirl:quote the Scriptures here dear and lets take a look at it |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by Nobody: 5:44pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
Presbulg:Christ came to fulfil the Scriptures both in words and deeds...like he said "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me" ...you will realize this a verse from the book of the prophets and so Christ fulfil that verse by saying it out....and there is another part where the Scripture says in the book of prophets that "He laid upon him our sins" now this cannot be fulfilled in words but in Deeds and that is why Christ was nailed to the cross to fulfil that. So What's the point of what we are saying? We are saying Scripture are fulfilled in words and in deeds.So the "My God My God why hast thou forsaken me" was a Scripture that needs to be fulfilled in words and Christ fulfilled that by saying the words. |
Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by mustymatic(m): 5:49pm On Jul 19, 2015 |
sportsmaster:Well... iam not |
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