INJESUSNAME:

see the long, evasive, irrelevant, and confusing post to a simple topic.

........... I'll be the last fool on earth to exchange words with you!! Long post? You have the option to quit this thread!.......... Evasive? You can as well keep quiet and allow the person who asked the question to talk. Do you get it....................... Confusing No, I don't agree! You must be a lazy man to read and comprehend. Irrelevant?? Pheeeeww, you must be a proponent of the "cram and pour" school of thought!.... Please keep your gob sealed and watch as they unfold

Demmzy15:

Masha'Allah bro, please ignore them. They're super-dumb, this issue as already been dealt with. They'll keep asking retarded questions, so I'll advice you just ignore them. Salam..

.............. Jazakallahu khaeran kethiran! Am grateful bro.

The OP is very correct the quoran is filled with errors and contradictions.

Teekrayne:
........ Sir, what is the stand of the holy bible as regards the number of GOD? Do we have only ONE God or we have God the father, the son and the holy spirit? Am I asking to much sir?

The scriptures made us to understand that there are many gods, a god is anything that you give might and veneration you can read psalms 86:8 and 1cor :5,6.

But it also tells us which god is the true god, our father the almighty and our creator. Psalms 96:5
His name is jehovah/ yaweh .

So despite the fact that there are many gods, we have only one true god who jesus Christ prayed to in john 17:3 . This true god is the one Christians worship , this true god is the one who sent jesus to use to be our messiah and savior. This same god is the one jesus referred to when he told Mary that he has not yet "ascended to my god and your god".

No where in the bible is jesus or the holy spirit called almighty gods or is equality to almighty god attached to them . There is no "god the father, god the son, god the holy spirit" statement in the bible.

No you have not asked too much .

dolphinheart:


The scriptures made us to understand that there are many gods, a god is anything that you give might and veneration you can read psalms 86:8 and 1cor :5,6.

But it also tells us which god is the true god, our father the almighty and our creator. Psalms 96:5
His name is jehovah/ yaweh .

So despite the fact that there are many gods, we have only one true god who jesus Christ prayed to in john 17:3 . This true god is the one Christians worship , this true god is the one who sent jesus to use to be our messiah and savior. This same god is the one jesus referred to when he told Mary that he has not yet "ascended to my god and your god".

No where in the bible is jesus or the holy spirit called almighty gods or is equality to almighty god attached to them . There is no "god the father, god the son, god the holy spirit" statement in the bible.

No you have not asked too much .

......... Am grateful. Also, why do some Christians refer to Jesus(Pbuh) as "our lord Jesus"? Is Jesus(Pbuh) a servant or a God or Son of God I anticipate your response

Teekrayne:
......... Am grateful. Also, why do some Christians refer to Jesus(Pbuh) as "our lord Jesus"? Is Jesus(Pbuh) a servant or a God or Son of God I anticipate your response

Jesus is a teacher and master, therefore his disciples and followers are right to call him lord. Jesus is also the king of Gods kingdom and subjects of that kingdom are right to call him lord.
So people who call jesus, "lord jesus" can do so because of the reasons stated above.

I dnt know what you mean by servant, but if you mean " doing the will of others" then ill say jesus always does his fathers will, even to the point of death.
I believe I've answered the question about jesus and god, but to add further, jesus is a god, the bible helps us to know that Satan is also a god.
On the issue of son of god, when angel Gabriel came to Mary and announced her pregnancy to her he stated thus: "you will give birth to a son , you will name him jesus........he will be called son of the most high god". So jesus is the son of the most high god. -Luke 1:30-32

How about my own questions na

@Dolphinheart sir. Jesus is not a god pls. Jesus is the direct image, expression, reflection, representation of God in the flesh. To make him a god is to make him an idol which will in turn mean u r an idol worshipper.

Anas09:
@Dolphinheart sir. Jesus is not a god pls. Jesus is the direct image, expression, reflection, representation of God in the flesh. To make him a god is to make him an idol which will in turn mean u r an idol worshipper.

I differ here with you sir!...in what sense of reverence do you define the term 'God' or 'god' or 'a god' ? remember there are no upper case or lower case in the original Hebrew language from which the word 'ELOHIM' was translated.

@ Anas09 , wanted to ask you same question that maamin asked, he just beat me to it . Waiting for ur explanation or reply to the question.
Pls add this to it : is Satan a god ?

dolphinheart:


Pls, do you have any other example in the quran which used "brother " or "sister" in a relationship between two people who are hundreds of years apart like Aaron and Mary in order to indicate extended kinship?

What is the historical or spiritual kinship/relationship between Aaron and Mary ?

Can I ask you other questions , though not related to this topic ?

@ Teekrayne and dolphineheart.
I followed your discussion, very interesting. I suggest we arrange for a meeting because some of the questions and answers will be too long to post, so if we can meet please. Thank you.
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dolphinheart:


The scriptures made us to understand that there are many gods, a god is anything that you give might and veneration you can read psalms 86:8 and 1cor :5,6.

But it also tells us which god is the true god, our father the almighty and our creator. Psalms 96:5
His name is jehovah/ yaweh .

So despite the fact that there are many gods, we have only one true god who jesus Christ prayed to in john 17:3 . This true god is the one Christians worship , this true god is the one who sent jesus to use to be our messiah and savior. This same god is the one jesus referred to when he told Mary that he has not yet "ascended to my god and your god".

No where in the bible is jesus or the holy spirit called almighty gods or is equality to almighty god attached to them . There is no "god the father, god the son, god the holy spirit" statement in the bible.

No you have not asked too much .

are you a jehovah witness ?

Teekrayne:
................. Its not a mandate you accept!!! You asked me to defend the "error" according to you and I did! I am not trying to convince you here, I did exactly what you asked me to do.................................................... The words "sister", "brother", "son" and "daughter" in Arabic usage have very wide connotations. On this basis itself, modern day Western scholarship has rejected the claim of "confusion" between the two Marys, i.e., Mary, mother of Jesus, and Miriam, sister of Moses and Aaron........................................................................... For example, A. J. Wensinck writing in the Encyclopaedia Of Islam says:

"Maryam is called a sister of Hārūn (sūra XIX, 29), and the use of these three names ‘Imrān, Hārūn and Maryam, has lead to the supposition that the Kur'ān does not clearly distinguished between the two Maryams, of the Old and the New Testaments. The Kur'ān names two families as being especially chosen: those of Ibrāhim and of ‘Imrān (sūra III, 32). It is the family of ‘Imrān, important because of Moses and Aaron, to which Maryam belongs. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO ASSUME THAT THESE KINSHIP LINKS ARE TO INTERPRETED IN MODERN TERM. THE WORDS "SISTER" and "DAUGHTER", like their male counterparts, in Arabic usage can indicate extended kinship, descendance or spiritual affinity.................. This second ‘Imrān, together with Harun, can be taken as purely Kur'ānic...................... Muslim tradition is clear that there are eighteen centuries between the Biblical ‘Amram and the father of Maryam. ................................................................................................................................................................. The controversy surrounding the honorary epithet “Sister of Aaron” applied to Mary, mother of Jesus, in the Qur'an, has been a characteristic of Muslim-Christian dialogue from the very beginning of the Prophet’s mission. The Christians of Najran queried the use of this epithet, suggesting the Qur'an had confused Mary, mother of Jesus with Mary, sister of Aaron and Moses. This observation developed polemical overtones beginning in the 9th century in the form of Nicetas of Byzantium's trenchant criticisms and general Anti-Islam polemic.

Believing the Qur'an was simply a hodgepodge of Jewish and Christian texts, Western scholarship continued to transmit this alleged historical contradiction until recent times, where a balanced and fair look at the relevant texts shows no such anachronism exists. Though descriptions such as ‘Children of Adam’, ‘Children of Israel’, ‘mother of’ ‘brother of’, ‘sister of’, ‘son of’, etc., may presuppose direct physical consanguinity, they cannot in all instances be understood as such, without imposing a patently absurd, nonsensical understanding of the text...... May God help us all

the explanation you gave is far more different from the one muhammed gave to the arab christians who ask him the same question. Who are we to believe? You or muhammed ?

Teekrayne:
........ Sir, what is the stand of the holy bible as regards the number of GOD? Do we have only ONE God or we have God the father, the son and the holy spirit? Am I asking to much sir?

where in the bible, christian worship more than 1 God ? The bible only indicate this ONE God has more than ONE personalities.

dolphinheart:


Jesus is a teacher and master, therefore his disciples and followers are right to call him lord. Jesus is also the king of Gods kingdom and subjects of that kingdom are right to call him lord.
So people who call jesus, "lord jesus" can do so because of the reasons stated above.

I dnt know what you mean by servant, but if you mean " doing the will of others" then ill say jesus always does his fathers will, even to the point of death.
I believe I've answered the question about jesus and god, but to add further, jesus is a god, the bible helps us to know that Satan is also a god.
On the issue of son of god, when angel Gabriel came to Mary and announced her pregnancy to her he stated thus: "you will give birth to a son , you will name him jesus........he will be called son of the most high god". So jesus is the son of the most high god. -Luke 1:30-32

How about my own questions na

......... Let me pause here and allow you to ask your question...

malvisguy212:
the explanation you gave is far more different from the one muhammed gave to the arab christians who ask him the same question. Who are we to believe? You or muhammed ?

.......... Go through the content of my post again before you ask me that question.

Teekrayne:
.......... Go through the content of my post again before you ask me that question.

I read it and its was different from the one muhammed gave, muhammed say the reason the idiom "sister of Arron" was used is because people of old referred to the old saint's like that , your answer does not go with the one muhammed gave.

Teekrayne:
......... Am grateful. Also, why do some Christians refer to Jesus(Pbuh) as "our lord Jesus"? Is Jesus(Pbuh) a servant or a God or Son of God I anticipate your response

Jesus is God , He was from the beginning before the world was , men only began to see Him when the word become FLESH and dwell AMONG US.

Maamin:


I differ here with you sir!...in what sense of reverence do you define the term 'God' or 'god' or 'a god' ? remember there are no upper case or lower case in the original Hebrew language from which the word 'ELOHIM' was translated.

......... My view differs from the view of you both! I want to believe that just like other prophets who have come before and after Jesus are Messenger/servants of God, Jesus is also a Messenger/servant of God..... For elucidation purpose, read (Matt 12 vs 18)

malvisguy212:
Jesus is God , He was from the beginning before the world was , men only began to see Him when the word become FLESH and dwell AMONG US.

...... With utmost respect, it would be wrongly wrong for you to say that Jesus is God as the bible refutes this. Besides, we all know Jesus was/is a human. The book of (Numbers 23 vs 19) says.... "God is not a Man".... The book of (Hosea 11 vs 9) says.. "For I am God, and not a man. Read up (John 8 vs 40), (Acts 2 vs 22) and get it right..... If you claim that Jesus is God and the HOLY BIBLE says a different thing, then there are limpid contradictory verses in the bible( with due obeisance)..... I mean no harm. We are only trying to learn from one another

malvisguy212:
I read it and its was different from the one muhammed gave, muhammed say the reason the idiom "sister of Arron" was used is because people of old referred to the old saint's like that , your answer does not go with the one muhammed gave.

..... Now I am convinced that you have read the post.... It might be a typographical error. No one is above mistake!! I meant to post what Muhammad(SAW) said. I don't write, I type! Remember How come I didn't notice? And even the person I posted it to didn't bother to call my attention, to show that some do not really mean to objectively debate with you. They just do it to say trash and provoke the "animal" in someone. Anyways, thanks for calling my attention to it. Perhaps in the process of explaining, I might have derailed, posted before realising that there are errors. May God be with us all.

Teekrayne:
...... With utmost respect, it would be wrongly wrong for you to say that Jesus is God as the bible refutes this. Besides, we all know Jesus was/is a human. The book of (Numbers 23 vs 19) says.... "God is not a Man".... The book of (Hosea 11 vs 9) says.. "For I am God, and not a man. Read up (John 8 vs 40), (Acts 2 vs 22) and get it right..... If you claim that Jesus is God and the HOLY BIBLE says a different thing, then there are limpid contradictory verses in the bible( with due obeisance)..... I mean no harm. We are only trying to learn from one another

from the old testament we read how God send this prophet to prophesied and when ever this prophet want to start there message , they start like this
1.thus say the Lord
2.the word of God say to me
ONLY Jesus start his message like this
" VERILY, VERILY I SAY " indicate He was the one sending this prophet.

man only saw Jesus (“the Word”John 1:1) after “the Word became flesh and dwelt
among us” (John 1:14). He came in a
veiled form. No human has ever seen
Jesus in His TRUE IMAGE (i.e., as a spirit
Being John 4:24 in all His glory and
splendor). In his letter to the church at
Philippi, the apostle Paul mentioned that Christ, Who had existed in heaven “in the form of God”, “made Himself of no reputation,” and took on the “likeness of men” (Philippians 2:6-7). Men saw an EMBODIMENT OF GOD as Jesus dwelt here in a fleshly form. Men saw “the Word”that “became flesh.” But no one has ever seen God’s true, complete image (as a spirit Being).

malvisguy212:
where in the bible, christian worship more than 1 God ? The bible only indicate this ONE God has more than ONE personalities.

....... How can God(the unseen) have more than one personality It would be impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be regarded as God! The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, change, disintegrate or decompose; ...................................... See what the book of (Malachi 3 vs 6) says " For I the lord do not change"........

Teekrayne:
..... Now I am convinced that you have read the post.... It might be a typographical error. No one is above mistake!! I meant to post what Muhammad(SAW) said. I don't write, I type! Remember How come I didn't notice? And even the person I posted it to didn't bother to call my attention, to show that some do not really mean to objectively debate with you. They just do it to say trash and provoke the "animal" in someone. Anyways, thanks for calling my attention to it. Perhaps in the process of explaining, I might have derailed, posted before realising that there are errors. May God be with us all.

okay, Good. And you to.

malvisguy212:
from the old testament we read how God send this prophet to prophesied and when ever this prophet want to start there message , they start like this
1.thus say the Lord
2.the word of God say to me
ONLY Jesus start his message like this
" VERILY, VERILY I SAY " indicate He was the one sending this prophet.

man only saw Jesus (“the Word”John 1:1) after “the Word became flesh and dwelt
among us” (John 1:14). He came in a
veiled form. No human has ever seen
Jesus in His TRUE IMAGE (i.e., as a spirit
Being John 4:24 in all His glory and
splendor). In his letter to the church at
Philippi, the apostle Paul mentioned that Christ, Who had existed in heaven “in the form of God”, “made Himself of no reputation,” and took on the “likeness of men” (Philippians 2:6-7). Men saw an EMBODIMENT OF GOD as Jesus dwelt here in a fleshly form. Men saw “the Word”that “became flesh.” But no one has ever seen God’s true, complete image (as a spirit Being).

......... But you agree that he is/was a mere Messenger/servant and not God sir?

Teekrayne:
....... How can God(the unseen) have more than one personality It would be impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be regarded as God! The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, change, disintegrate or decompose; ...................................... See what the book of (Malachi 3 vs 6) says " For I the lord do not change"........

Genesis 1:26 say" let US created man in OUR IMAGE"

The word "our" and "us" indicate more than one person is talking and the word IMAGE indicate one GOD. The context of malachi3:6 was talking about REVELATION and Not the nature of God.

dolphinheart:
@ Anas09 , wanted to ask you same question that maamin asked, he just beat me to it . Waiting for ur explanation or reply to the question.
Pls add this to it : is Satan a god ?

.... Sir, satan(Iblis) was an angel before he disobeyed God when God asked him to prostrate to Adam. He wasnt/isnt God!

malvisguy212:
Genesis 1:26 say" let US created man in OUR IMAGE"

The word "our" and "us" indicate more than one person is talking and the word IMAGE indicate one GOD. The context of malachi3:6 was talking about REVELATION and Not the nature of God.

...... "Our" and "us"....... I vehemently disagree! The usage of "us" and "our" does not justify the fact that God is not one!

Teekrayne:
......... But you agree that he is/was a mere Messenger/servant and not God sir?

Jesus has two nature, he is fully God and Fully man. Its was God himself who possessed the body of Jesus, God did not override his freewill. Christ is a man, but this man was born without the consort of a woman, even the quran aknowleged satan touch ALL human from birth with the EXCEPTION of Jesus. So the points is, since christ the man is sinless, God dwell in his flesh.

Teekrayne:
...... "Our" and "us"....... I vehemently disagree! The usage of "us" and "our" does not justify the fact that God is not one!

did I say God is more than one ? The our and us indicate his personalities and the image indicate ONE essence. If God is 3 the verse should have say" images" the quran used plurality to adress Allah but never give reason.

Teekrayne:
.... Sir, satan(Iblis) was an angel before he disobeyed God when God asked him to prostrate to Adam. He wasnt/isnt God!

And the bible also called this Angels sons of God (benei elohim). And even called satan the god of this age.

Is now left for you to ask yourself what type or class or rank of a God is Satan..there are many Gods/gods whichever you chose, but there is one creator of all..it is him who we must worship and serve.

And it doesnt matter whether you use small 'g' or capital letter 'G' the point is that all Gods have a specific name and the one true GOD as well, we call him "Yahweh"...what is the name of your own GOD?

Maamin:


And the bible also called this Angels sons of God (benei elohim). And even called satan the god of this age.

Is now left for you to ask yourself what type or class or rank of a God is Satan..there are many Gods/gods whichever you chose, but there is one creator of all..it is him who we must worship and serve.

And it doesnt matter whether you use small 'g' or capital letter 'G' the point is that all Gods have a specific name and the one true GOD as well, we call him "Yahweh"...what is the name of your own GOD?

....... Allah! ....... That's not what my scripture teaches.... I can't force you to accept, neither can you. So, its better we just leave it as it were. Thanks alot

malvisguy212:
did I say God is more than one ? The our and us indicate his personalities and the image indicate ONE essence. If God is 3 the verse should have say" images" the quran used plurality to adress Allah but never give reason.

..... What verse of the Qur'an used plurality for Allah