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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:52pm On Aug 28, 2015
dalaman:


You believe in the mythical and fictional stories of ancient Jews, Romans and Greeks that was brought to your ancestors by the colonial masters. If your ancestors were colonized by the Indians you would have been a Hindu today and you would have been propagating the Hindu religious mythology and fiction.

How does this prove am a myth believer ? I was expecting you to show me where in the bible and how believing in the reality of the existence of a supreme being/creator is some kind of mythology . This guy , Im a christian - stick to that and lets play . So is it my turn or should you try again ? You have one more life left though , use it wisely .
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by malvisguy212: 11:01pm On Aug 28, 2015
dalaman:


Every God lives inside the head of those that believe in that version of God. The Hindu Gods live inside the head of the Hindus, Allah lives inside the head of the muslims, Yahweh lives inside the heads of the Jews, the trinity God of the christians lives inside their heads and on and on.
the God in the bible is different from others God around the world,most religions described a 'god' who live within this universe ONLY Christianity talk about a God who is
transcendent to both space and time.

if men should invented the God in the bible, this invention will not contradicte their nature, but in the bible we see a 'God' who will punished His children for disobedient. The God of the Bible is
described as holy , without sin and
without the ability to commit sin. The
holiness of God is described as being
above anything that HUMAN CAN ATTAIN, such that no human can stand before Him as holy. Behaving more morally upright than most other people is not sufficient to escape the punishment of the God of the Bible.

In nearly all religions, salvation is attained through human effort. Only in Christianity does salvation come solely as a GIFT FROM GOD, IT CANNOT BE EARNED THROUGH HUMAN EFFORT . Clearly, in doctrines such as the nature of God and the way of salvation, there is very little common ground between Christianity and the religions of the world. So men will not invent a God that set daunting task of their nature.

Job 9:11
When He passes me I cannot see
Him. When He goes by, I cannot
perceive Him
Job 37:23
The Almighty is beyond our reach
Acts 17:29
"Being then the children of God, we
ought NOT TO THINK that the Divine
Nature is like gold or silver or stone,
an image formed by the art and
THOUGHT OF MAN ."

Paul explained it better, and were did he get this idea from? in Leviticus:

Leviticus 26:1
'You shall not make for yourselves
idols, nor shall you set up for
yourselves an IMAGE or a sacred
pillar, nor shall you place a figured
stone in your land to bow down to it;
for I am the LORD your God.
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by dalaman: 12:24am On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


How does this prove am a myth believer ? I was expecting you to show me where in the bible and how believing in the reality of the existence of a supreme being/creator is some kind of mythology . This guy , Im a christian - stick to that and lets play . So is it my turn or should you try again ? You have one more life left though , use it wisely .

Because the bible is nothing but the mythical and fictitious construct of the ancient Jews, Greeks and Romans. Can you point to this supreme being of yours? Where is it? Just point to it. You are a christian means you believe and accept the imaginations, mythologies and fiction of the ancient Jews, Greeks and Romans just the way a muslim also accepts the mythical stories, fiction and legends of the ancient Arabs. That is all there is to it.

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:37am On Aug 29, 2015
dalaman:


Because the bible is nothing but the mythical and fictitious construct of the ancient Jews, Greeks and Romans. Can you point to this supreme being of yours? Where is it? Just point to it. You are a christian means you believe and accept the imaginations, mythologies and fiction of the ancient Jews, Greeks and Romans just the way a muslim also accepts the mythical stories, fiction and legends of the ancient Arabs. That is all there is to it.

Do you understand English at all ?
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by dalaman: 12:47am On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


You asked for the evidence of God . Comparing God with the Hindu God Brahma is a digression which I noticed . You dont play me , I play you


And where is the evidence for your God that makes it different from the Hindu God? You God is just a man made construct like the Hindu God, both are man made ideas and non can be shown to exist on it's own independent of human input.

According to the atheist , life popped out for not just reason . And sorry I'm a christian . You can forward that argument to the muslims

Can you point to the atheist creed that says life popped out for no just reason? Christianity is not the only religion that human beings have invented and christianity is no no way better than other religions that men have invented.



Actually scientists - your mind/ intelligence controllers - have suggested/proposed that life on earth is being controlled by some sort of higher civilization . So you were saying ? ...

What has the suggestion of some scientist got to do with anything?



Again ... actually scientists -your mind/ intelligence controllers - claim that obliteration of mankind could come from

1. AI Uprising leading to the destruction of human race
2. Global warming
3. Asteroid hitting the earth
4. Alien Invasion etc

The paint this delusion with science jargon just to give human's the impression of the non-existence of God . You could pick one tho cool

There is actually a lot of evidence to show that an asteroid can hit the earth and end all human life. Small asteroids do fall into the earth sometimes and cause havoc. A big one can impact the earth and end all human life, that is actually a fact. It is a complete mythology to believe that some man made fictitious idea called Jesus will come flying in the skies along with angles carrying swords and destroy the earth along with people that fail to believe and accept the stories written about the mythical characters by unknown authors that lived about 200 years ago. Human beings have developed nuclear weapons and super sonic fighter jets while your God is still living in the past claiming to come along with angels and swords, riding on horse back. If your mythical God comes humans will nuke him out along with his angles.

Sorry I thought you knew the purpose of life . What's the purpose of life ?

Life has no universal purpose, the purpose of life is what to chose to make of it, according to the Buddist the purpose of life is to achieve nirvana, according to the muslims the purpose of life is to submit to the will of Allah as loyal slave, according to the shirk, the purpose of life is to be at peace one ones inner self, according to the christian the purpose of life is to worship Yahweh, be in a loving relationship with him and achieve salvation, according to a hedonist the purpose of life is to just enjoy it and have as much sensual fun as possible and on and on. Life has no universal purpose, the purpose all depends on what you chose to make of it.

Oh .. He is speaking but you are just not paying attention

Nope, you are speaking and deluding your self to be speaking on behalf of an omni what ever being that lives inside your head.


Your life is one of the numerous evidences of His existence

My life is the evidence of Brahma's existence.



He is not relying on me and He could speak through anyone if He wishes

Why would a God that lives and wants to be in a relationship with people that involves him giving them his salvation chose to speak through others? Did any body woo your girl friend or wife for you? You guys keep relegating your God to the realm of the ridiculous with your sayings.

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by dalaman: 12:48am On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Do you understand English at all ?

You haven't demonstrated that you understand English better than I do.

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:36am On Aug 29, 2015
dalaman:


And where is the evidence for your God that makes it different from the Hindu God? You God is just a man made construct like the Hindu God, both are man made ideas and non can be shown to exist on it's own independent of human input.

What's with you and the Hindu god . You claim to be an atheist and you are comparing religions and gods . They dont exist and you are comparing them ? Isn't that madness ?

I told you am a Christian ... lets talk of Christianity and the Supreme Being . Or how life came from the non - living and evolved to become a highly intelligent being and how science has helped us explain and understand that . Or the Big Bang that denies the first cause but its seen as a plausible theory . Which one do you want us to discuss about ? 1 , 2 or 3 ?

Can you point to the atheist creed that says life popped out for no just reason?

Can you explain the purpose of the existence of the universe ?

Christianity is not the only religion that human beings have invented and christianity is no no way better than other religions that men have invented.

Religion is man made obviously . What's the whining about ?

You still cannot differentiate between religion and the concept of God

What has the suggestion of some scientist got to do with anything?

You believe in Science right ? I gave you a fine piece of that .



There is actually a lot of evidence to show that an asteroid can hit the earth and end all human life. Small asteroids do fall into the earth sometimes and cause havoc. A big one can impact the earth and end all human life, that is actually a fact.

Deep Impact ? That movie was crazzzyyyyy . But since when did you become a movie critic ?


It is a complete mythology to believe that some man made fictitious idea called Jesus will come flying in the skies along with angles carrying swords and destroy the earth along with people that fail to believe and accept the stories written about the mythical characters by unknown authors that lived about 200 years ago..

That should be in the Book of Dalaman 1 : 3 .

Human beings have developed nuclear weapons and super sonic fighter jets while your God is still living in the past claiming to come along with angels and swords, riding on horse back. If your mythical God comes humans will nuke him out along with his angles

How old are you ? You believe the non sense you read online though . A thinking Christian in my 300 Level has related the sound of the trumpet on the day of rapture to the sound produced by a kind of excessive rapid movement of plasma waves in Earth's radiation belts . This could make a really loud sound . I pity people who see things in the bible ordinarily or literally .


Life has no universal purpose, the purpose of life is what to chose to make of it

@bold - Lemme rephrase my question . Why did the universe start to exist ? Why does anything have to exist ?

according to the Buddist the purpose of life is to achieve nirvana, according to the muslims the purpose of life is to submit to the will of Allah as loyal slave, according to the shirk, the purpose of life is to be at peace one ones inner self, according to the christian the purpose of life is to worship Yahweh, be in a loving relationship with him and achieve salvation, according to a hedonist the purpose of life is to just enjoy it and have as much sensual fun as possible and on and on.

You dont believe in Religion or their gods ... why do you care to know so much about them ? Is your heart troubled ? Awwww

Life has no universal purpose, the purpose all depends on what you chose to make of it.

A movie has no purpose it depends on what actors and actresses decide to make something out of meeting each other on screen - makes perfect sense to me !

Nope, you are speaking and deuding your self to be speaking on behalf of an omni what ever being that lives inside your head.

I'm confused which omni ? The spaghetti monster or the sky daddy ? You got me ! It has to be the spaghetti monster wink



My life is the evidence of Brahma's existence.

Wow ! ... Good for you


Why would a God that lives and wants to be in a relationship with people that involves him giving them his salvation chose to speak through others? Did ant body woo your girl friend or wife for you? You guys keep relegating your God to the realm of the ridiculous with your sayings.

Why would a teacher who wants a student to pass his exams not write the papers instead for him ?

Dude ... if you want to talk to God so badly why dont you just follow the right way and sort yourself . You will hear him yourself . There are christian books that help you understand these little things . Before you graduate from the university you must have completed the required number of sessions or ..... walking into the VC's office just like that -no appointment ... nothing - everything has a way its done . Follow due process cool

God speaks through many ways - dreams , prayer , miracles , healings , revelations . Its up to you ! kiss
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:04am On Aug 29, 2015
dalaman:


You haven't demonstrated that you understand English better than I do.

For the third time , can you prove or show me how God and the bible are myths ?
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:05am On Aug 29, 2015
dalaman:


You haven't demonstrated that you understand English better than I do.

For the third time , can you prove or show me how God and the bible are myths ?
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by Ishilove: 5:56am On Aug 29, 2015
Freemanan:

Ignorant? You write before you think or you just having a bad Evening?
.

Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by Nobody: 7:34am On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


For the third time , can you prove or show me how God and the bible are myths ?
Myth :a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

Stop being a retard. It aint cool.

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by McEwen(m): 8:10am On Aug 29, 2015
Ishilove:

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I have a msg for you grin grin
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by johnydon22(m): 8:13am On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:

Can you explain the purpose of the existence of the universe ?
Ebuka this is a logical fallacy known as begging the question because by saying "Purpose" you have implied that the universe in your own sense must have a purpose therefore ensuring a fixed answer for your question.... How would you know if anything, talk more of the universe has a purpose or not. . and who are you to determine purpose for anything..?

Have decided to stay clear of your discussion with dalaman but if you should argue, do so without unnecessary employment of logical fallacies...

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by dalaman: 8:39am On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


What's with you and the Hindu god . You claim to be an atheist and you are comparing religions and gods . They dont exist and you are comparing them ? Isn't that madness ?

I am comparing them because all of them are man made ideas. The God you believe in is not more real or better than the God another man believes in. They are all man made constructs. You can not point to your God on it's own independent of man made input. For example as a Christian you must point to books that men wrote about your God and claim that it is the word of your God, just the way a muslim or a Hindu will also point to books written by other men as the word of their own Gods. All the Gods that men worship were invented by men and that is my point.

I told you am a Christian ... lets talk of Christianity and the Supreme Being . Or how life came from the non - living and evolved to become a highly intelligent being and how science has helped us explain and understand that . Or the Big Bang that denies the first cause but its seen as a plausible theory . Which one do you want us to discuss about ? 1 , 2 or 3 ?

Why should we talk about christianity alone when it is just one out of the many religions that human beings have invented? I am not making any claim about how life came about. I don't know and as such I can never make any claim in that regard. You on the other hand claim to know, so provide the evidence already and stop yapping.


Can you explain the purpose of the existence of the universe ?

From the purpose of life to the purpose of he existence of the universe? Why are you all over the place? I don't know the purpose of the existence of the universe. Can you tell me the purpose of the existence of the universe and how I can verify that to be true?


Religion is man made obviously . What's the whining about ?

You still cannot differentiate between religion and the concept of God

Religion is the culture(way of life) created after a particular God idea has been established. That is why you can not separate the two.



You believe in Science right ? I gave you a fine piece of that .

I believe in science but I do not accept all scientific postulations, because some of them are suppositions and assumptions that have no real evidence to back them up.

Deep Impact ? That movie was crazzzyyyyy . But since when did you become a movie critic ?

Asteroids are real, Jesus coming down from the clouds flying on a horseback with angles and what have you is fictitious.

How old are you ? You believe the non sense you read online though . A thinking Christian in my 300 Level has related the sound of the trumpet on the day of rapture to the sound produced by a kind of excessive rapid movement of plasma waves in Earth's radiation belts . This could make a really loud sound . I pity people who see things in the bible ordinarily or literally .

Why should the bible not be taken literally? Was Jesus crucifixion an allegory or an event that took place? Is heaven an allegory? What about hell? Why should not take the bible based on what it says? If the bible wants people to take some of what it says as an allegory why doesn't it say so inside the book?

@bold - Lemme rephrase my question . Why did the universe start to exist ? Why does anything have to exist ?

I don't know why the universe started, how it started or why it started. Do you know? Tell me when the universe started, how it started, why it started and why it exist as it does with so many galaxies and what have you, and also provide means with which I can objectively verify your answers to know that they are true.

You dont believe in Religion or their gods ... why do you care to know so much about them ? Is your heart troubled ? Awwww

Please stop projecting your fears on me. Why should I be troubled, if I am troubled I will be religious. I care so much about religions and their Gods because of the impact I see them having on the societies around me.

A movie has no purpose it depends on what actors and actresses decide to make something out of meeting each other on screen - makes perfect sense to me !

Another lame attempt at trying to sound smart. Comparing a movie to life is asinine. A movie might have a purpose but life as I have shown you has no universal purpose, life's purpose depends on what you chose to make of it. The purpose of a muslim's life is different from that of a Hindu which is also different from yours as a christian. Even as a christian the purpose of your life is very different from that of a catholic monk.


I'm confused which omni ? The spaghetti monster or the sky daddy ? You got me ! It has to be the spaghetti monster wink

Doesn't the God you subscribe to have those omini attributes?



Why would a teacher who wants a student to pass his exams not write the papers instead for him ?

Dude ... if you want to talk to God so badly why dont you just follow the right way and sort yourself . You will hear him yourself . There are christian books that help you understand these little things . Before you graduate from the university you must have completed the required number of sessions or ..... walking into the VC's office just like that -no appointment ... nothing - everything has a way its done . Follow due process cool

God speaks through many ways - dreams , prayer , miracles , healings , revelations . Its up to you ! kiss


Why not muslim or Hindu books? Why only christian books? I repeat christianity is not the only religion that human beings have invented. So stop thinking it is the only religion or a special religion, it isn't. There is no evidence to show that prayers work, healing are well orchestrated scams, same goes for revelations. Do you believe in the Hindu dreams , prayer , miracles , healings , revelations? Why or why not?

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:54am On Aug 29, 2015
musKeeto:

Myth :a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

Stop being a retard. It aint cool.

Natural phenomena like evolution and the big bang ? Yeah right

There are also stories of alien invasion and engineering human dna as an explanation of man's intelligence and capabilities . So I should regard those as myths too. Right ?

Whether you like it or not ... the evidence of the supernatural - defying natural order - bringing forth life from the non living sounds plausible to me
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:25pm On Aug 29, 2015
[quote author=dalaman post=37450291]

I am comparing them because all of them are man made ideas. The God you believe in is not more real or better than the God another man believes in. They are all man made constructs. You can not point to your God on it's own independent of man made input. For example as a Christian you must point to books that men wrote about your God and claim that it is the word of your God, just the way a muslim or a Hindu will also point to books written by other men as the word of their own Gods. All the Gods that men worship were invented by men and that is my point.
[/quote ]

This is not the first time you are giving me stu,pid explanations and reasons why you think the GOd concept is man - made . Ive asked you the explain the genesis of life and why man have certain capabilities and it ended up prevarications and skillful maneuvers . You seemly have no point .


Why should we talk about christianity alone when it is just one out of the many religions that human beings have invented? I am not making any claim about how life came about. I don't know and as such I can never make any claim in that regard. You on the other hand claim to know, so provide the evidence already and stop yapping.

Because I'm a christian . Another fatuous comment from you . You are really good at typing crap .



From the purpose of life to the purpose of he existence of the universe? Why are you all over the place? I don't know the purpose of the existence of the universe. Can you tell me the purpose of the existence of the universe and how I can verify that to be true?

That's why there is Religion . Man is attempting different ways to connect to this Almighty Creator . There are could be various concepts of God that may have been invented during this course but that doesn't change the fact that He exists


Religion is the culture(way of life) created after a particular God idea has been established. That is why you can not separate the two.

Your opinion ?





I believe in science but I do not accept all scientific postulations, because some of them are suppositions and assumptions that have no real evidence to back them up.

Good for you



Asteroids are real, Jesus coming down from the clouds flying on a horseback with angles and what have you is fictitious.

your opinion ... good for you



Why should the bible not be taken literally? Was Jesus crucifixion an allegory or an event that took place? Is heaven an allegory? What about hell? Why should not take the bible based on what it says? If the bible wants people to take some of what it says as an allegory why doesn't it say so inside the book?

Its not an ordinary book



I don't know why the universe started, how it started or why it started. Do you know? Tell me when the universe started, how it started, why it started and why it exist as it does with so many galaxies and what have you, and also provide means with which I can objectively verify your answers to know that they are true.


If you dont know then stop criticizing another's one concept . Ive told you many times that God created the universe . If you dont believe then its your business .

Please stop projecting your fears on me. Why should I be troubled, if I am troubled I will be religious. I care so much about religions and their Gods because of the impact I see them having on the societies around me.

No one is projecting any fears on you . Another fatuous comment .


Another lame attempt at trying to sound smart.

Apparently you are insecure about your intellectual abilities . Tired of running off to Google ? You are becoming frustrated

Comparing a movie to life is asinine. A movie might have a purpose but life as I have shown you has no universal purpose, life's purpose depends on what you chose to make of it. The purpose of a muslim's life is different from that of a Hindu which is also different from yours as a christian. Even as a christian the purpose of your life is very different from that of a catholic monk.

The purpose of the universe - To be inhabited by intelligent , free moral agents to whom God will reveal Himself to . That's why I know there are aliens out there . But I dont think its time for man to be discover them



Doesn't the God you subscribe to have those omini attributes?





Why not muslim or Hindu books? Why only christian books?

You must be re.tard to keep insisting on other religions when Ive told you that I'm a christian

I repeat christianity is not the only religion that human beings have invented.

ok

So stop thinking it is the only religion or a special religion, it isn't. There is no evidence to show that prayers work, healing are well orchestrated scams, same goes for revelations.

I guess scammed myself then .

Do you believe in the Hindu dreams , prayer , miracles , healings , revelations? Why or why not?

So you agree that Hindus witness miracles and prayers ?
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by plaetton: 12:27pm On Aug 29, 2015
dalaman:


You haven't demonstrated that you understand English better than I do.

C'mon man.
Why would you be wasting time on a COMPUTER with a supposed BLOGGER, who happens to be a science denier and mocker?

"Do not cast pearls before swine" is supposed to mean something.
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:31pm On Aug 29, 2015
plaetton:


C'mon man.
Why would you be wasting time on a COMPUTER with a supposed BLOGGER, who happens to be a science denier and mocker?

Lol ... Am a computer science student who just blogs and I love Science

"Do not cast pearls before swine" is supposed to mean something.

"Only a fool says there is no God " is supposed to mean something
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by plaetton: 12:37pm On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Lol ... Am a computer science student who just blogs and I love Science



"Only a fool says there is no God " is supposed to mean something

And a computer SCIENCE STUDENT who mocks SCIENCE is what? shocked

Lol.
Made Only in Nigeria.

No wonder they are saying that majority of Nigerian graduates are simply unemployable.

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:43pm On Aug 29, 2015
plaetton:


And a computer SCIENCE STUDENT who mocks SCIENCE is what? shocked

I dont mock science . I just mock some absurdities like the Big Fraud Theory , abiogenesis and the SCAMvolution theory . Dalaman believes in Science but does not agree with these theories . So why is mine different ?

Lol.
Made Only in Nigeria.

Ode grin

Bill Gate is supposedly a catholic and Ben Carson is a creationist .
Made Only in the US .

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:53pm On Aug 29, 2015
plaetton:


No wonder they are saying that majority of Nigerian graduates are simply unemployable.

Im a computer science student - programming , software development , database management etc - the way you reason tho .

But I have my reservations on AI Uprising tho
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by plaetton: 12:57pm On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Im a computer science student - programming , software development , database management etc - the way you reason tho .

But I have my reservations on AI Uprising tho

You are a youth with potential, but held prisoner by stone-age beliefs spoonfed to you long before you could articulate your own thoughts.

Someday, you will gain your mental soveriegnty.
I hope sooner than later.

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:29pm On Aug 29, 2015
plaetton:


You are a youth with potential, but held prisoner by stone-age beliefs spoonfed to you long before you could articulate your own thoughts.

Someday, you will gain your mental soveriegnty.
I hope sooner than later.

There is just one thing I want to know about you plaetton . Were you ever a christian at some point in your life ?
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by dalaman: 1:40pm On Aug 29, 2015
malvisguy212:
the God in the bible is different from others God around the world,most religions described a 'god' who live within this universe ONLY Christianity talk about a God who is
transcendent to both space and time.

if men should invented the God in the bible, this invention will not contradicte their nature, but in the bible we see a 'God' who will punished His children for disobedient. The God of the Bible is
described as holy , without sin and
without the ability to commit sin. The
holiness of God is described as being
above anything that HUMAN CAN ATTAIN, such that no human can stand before Him as holy. Behaving more morally upright than most other people is not sufficient to escape the punishment of the God of the Bible.

In nearly all religions, salvation is attained through human effort. Only in Christianity does salvation come solely as a GIFT FROM GOD, IT CANNOT BE EARNED THROUGH HUMAN EFFORT . Clearly, in doctrines such as the nature of God and the way of salvation, there is very little common ground between Christianity and the religions of the world. So men will not invent a God that set daunting task of their nature.

Job 9:11
When He passes me I cannot see
Him. When He goes by, I cannot
perceive Him
Job 37:23
The Almighty is beyond our reach
Acts 17:29
"Being then the children of God, we
ought NOT TO THINK that the Divine
Nature is like gold or silver or stone,
an image formed by the art and
THOUGHT OF MAN ."

Paul explained it better, and were did he get this idea from? in Leviticus:

Leviticus 26:1
'You shall not make for yourselves
idols, nor shall you set up for
yourselves an IMAGE or a sacred
pillar, nor shall you place a figured
stone in your land to bow down to it;
for I am the LORD your God.

Again you are telling me about christianity, and making it look special because Christianity happens to be the religion you subscribe to. Every religion tells it's followers that it is the only special religion and offers them ways through which it stands out from other religions. Even sects within the same religion make also that claim. Catholics for example claim to be the only true christians, shites claim to be the only true muslims and on and on. Christianity through systematic indoctrination has come to be a part of your identity, your place in the world, your family, your community, your meaning, direction and security in life. Rational reasons have nothing to do with why you are a christian. over 95 percent of christians, Hindus, Shinto, Buddisht, muslims etc were born into those families. So the main determining factor of what religion you believe in is birth and place in human history, not because of a well thought out rational process. If you were born 3 thousand years ago in Mexico you would have been worshiping the Mayan Gods. If it was 5 thousand years ago in Egypt your would have worshiped the Sun God, if it were a thousand years ago in Nigeria you would have worshiped the Gods of your ancestors.

I am still putting it to you that if your ancestors were colonized by the Indians you would have been propagating Hinduism, if they were conquered by the Arabs you would have been telling us that there is no God but Allah the way most of the muslims on this forum are doing. You are just emotionally attached to your religion and try to protect it from cold hard critical examination and that is all there is to it. Your emotional attachment to your religion makes you selective and biased about what yo see, that is why you are constantly showing the muslim faults in their Koran, but when they show you the same in your bible, your emotional attachments block it and you fail to see it. You keep criticizing their prophet as a war monger and a bad man, but Moses in your bible whom your God says is his best prophet is no different than Mohammed. You favor information that confirms your preconceptions and discard information that runs contrary to it. You keep promoting the christian concept of God and theology which is quite different from that of other religions as the best forgetting that other religions have their own concept and theology which they also believe is the best and they utterly believe they are right, you can say anything to them but they will duck , dive and dismiss everything you say, just they way you do to them as well. I have been following your debates with the muslims here.

You are all deluded. Both you and the muslims. You know nothing apart from what you have been indoctrinated with. The muslims don't think they are lying to you, do they? They actually believe they are telling you the perfect truth and you are the one that is being irrational, unreasonable and hostile. That is why most of these debates are pointless in my opinion because as a christian your starting point is your faith which is your everything. To you, your religion is true and every discussion should be about defending it, just as you have done here. Those of us that criticize your religion are evil and agents of satan according to the buffer you have been indoctrinated with. Faith to you is the starting point, but it is not supposed to be so, doubt is supposed to be the starting point. Doubt and not faith ought to be the starting point of any rational analysis. I don't care about the christian theology because it is man made. I just care about reality as I see it. And the reality is that all religions and Gods are man made.

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by plaetton: 2:01pm On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


There is just one thing I want to know about you plaetton . Were you ever a christian at some point in your life ?
Yes of course.
By birth.
I was spoonfed, forcedfed with the usual sundayschool stuff.
But right from an early age, they never ever made sense.
So religion never really penetrated by cells and bones.
I really really wanted see and feel what everyone else around saw and felt, but my thinking brain, my inquiring mind, my natural curiousity wouldn't allow it.

I couldn't, for example, understand Why a god that created all of humankind would ask the ancient israelites to wage genocidal Wars against the phillistines and other tribes.
It made no sense.
In fact, I began to root for the underdogs, the phillistines, in yahweh's genocidal Wars.
Lol.

As young as I was, I knew that there was something terribly wrong with yahweh and the yahweh story.

So I thought that either religious people were faking it or that something was wrong with me.

Over time, my personal anxiety was tempered when, through reading, it dawned on me that I was just more intelligent than the average folks.

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by kolajamesjnr(m): 2:03pm On Aug 29, 2015
dalaman:


Again you are telling me about christianity, and making it look special because Christianity happen to be the religion you subscribe to. Every religion tells it's followers that it is the only special religion and offers them ways through which it stands out from other religions. Even sects within the same religion make also that claim. Catholics for example claim to be the only true christians, shites claim to be the only true muslims and on and on. Christianity through systematic indoctrination has come to be a part of your identity, your place in the world, your family, your community, your meaning, direction and security in life. Rational reasons have nothing to do with why you are a christian. over 95 percent of christians, Hindus, Shinto, Buddisht, muslims etc were born into those families. So the main determining factor of what religion you believe in is birth and place in human history, not because of a well thought out rational process. If you were born 3 thousand years ago in Mexico you would have been worshiping the Mayan Gods. If it was 5 thousand years ago in Egypt your would have worshiped the Sun God, if it were a thousand years ago in Nigeria you would have worshiped the Gods of your ancestors.

I am still putting it to you that if your ancestors were colonized by the Indians you would have been propagating Hinduism, if they were conquered by the Arabs you would have been telling us that there is no God but Allah the way most of the muslims on this forum are doing. You are just emotionally attached to your religion and try to protect it from cold hard critical examination and that is all there is to it. Your emotional attachment to your religion makes you selective and biased about what yo see, that is why you are constantly showing the muslim faults in their Koran, but when they show you the same in your bible, your emotional attachments block it and you fail to see it. You keep criticizing their prophet as a war monger and a bad man, but Moses in your bible whom your God says is his best prophet is no different than Mohammed. You favor information that confirms your preconceptions and discard information that runs contrary to it. You keep promoting the christian concept of God and theology which is quite different from that of other religions as the best forgetting that other religions have their own concept and theology which they also believe is the best and they utterly believe they are right, you can say anything to them but they will duck , dive and dismiss everything you say, just they way you do to them as well. I have been following your debates with the muslims here.

You are all deluded. Both you and the muslims. You know nothing apart from what you have been indoctrinated with. The muslims don't think they are lying to you do they? They actually believe they are telling you the perfect truth and you are the one that is being irrational, unreasonable and hostile. That is why most of these debates are pointless in my opinion because as a christian your starting point is your faith which is your everything. To you, your religion is true and every discussion should be about defending it, just as you have done here. Those of us that criticize your religion are evil and agents of satan according to the buffer you have been indoctrinated with. Faith to you is the starting point, but it is not supposed to be so, doubt is supposed to be the starting point. Doubt and not faith ought to be the starting point of any rational analysis. I don't care about the christian theology because it is man made. I just care about reality as I see it. And the reality is that all religions and Gods are man made.
Gbam cheesy

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by Nobody: 2:09pm On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Natural phenomena like evolution and the big bang ? Yeah right

There are also stories of alien invasion and engineering human dna as an explanation of man's intelligence and capabilities . So I should regard those as myths too. Right ?

Whether you like it or not ... the evidence of the supernatural - defying natural order - bringing forth life from the non living sounds plausible to me

Have fun.
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by Nobody: 2:10pm On Aug 29, 2015
KingEbukasBlog:


Lol ... Am a computer science student who just blogs and I love Science



"Only a fool says there is no God " is supposed to mean something
What is Science to you?
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by am0sn0nyu: 4:42pm On Aug 29, 2015
macof:


Orunmila, Buddha, Mithra, Krishna taught all these before jesus
That is if even Bros J was ever real. BTW I've been reading the last 3 pages of your posts, I liked your responses. Keep it up bro.

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:51pm On Aug 29, 2015
plaetton:

Yes of course.
By birth.
I was spoonfed, forcedfed with the usual sundayschool stuff.
But right from an early age, they never ever made sense.
So religion never really penetrated by cells and bones.
I really really wanted see and feel what everyone else around saw and felt, but my thinking brain, my inquiring mind, my natural curiousity wouldn't allow it.

I couldn't, for example, understand Why a god that created all of humankind would ask the ancient israelites to wage genocidal Wars against the phillistines and other tribes.
It made no sense.
In fact, I began to root for the underdogs, the phillistines, in yahweh's genocidal Wars.
Lol.

As young as I was, I knew that there was something terribly wrong with yahweh and the yahweh story.

So I thought that either religious people were faking it or that something was wrong with me.

Over time, my personal anxiety was tempered when, through reading, it dawned on me that I was just more intelligent than the average folks.

Lol ... actually the phillistines were the oppressors of the Israelites and everytime they forgot God and worshiped baal /idols/gods they had to be redeemed by a judge . I loved those stories in Joshua , Judges etc as a kid though . Its just about God taking the glory ... yes ... from the battles of men - because He was their deliverer

I had questions like you did but I didnt see them as "wrongs" or "flaws" which serve as evidences of the stories being myths . But I saw them as misconceptions or wrong perception on my side and I sought for good christian books , opinions on the internet - youtube videos etc to learn the truth as far back (exposed to the internet at 13 ) .

The Bible tells me to study to show myself approved . It tells me to seek for wisdom , knowledge and understanding and I will get them . I adhered to that command and here I am defending my belief in God with ease ( I must say) .

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Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:55pm On Aug 29, 2015
musKeeto:

What is Science to you?


To me , Science provides explanations of how nature and her elements (contents) work .
Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:58pm On Aug 29, 2015
dalaman:


Again you are telling me about christianity, and making it look special because Christianity happens to be the religion you subscribe to. Every religion tells it's followers that it is the only special religion and offers them ways through which it stands out from other religions. Even sects within the same religion make also that claim. Catholics for example claim to be the only true christians, shites claim to be the only true muslims and on and on. Christianity through systematic indoctrination has come to be a part of your identity, your place in the world, your family, your community, your meaning, direction and security in life. Rational reasons have nothing to do with why you are a christian. over 95 percent of christians, Hindus, Shinto, Buddisht, muslims etc were born into those families. So the main determining factor of what religion you believe in is birth and place in human history, not because of a well thought out rational process. If you were born 3 thousand years ago in Mexico you would have been worshiping the Mayan Gods. If it was 5 thousand years ago in Egypt your would have worshiped the Sun God, if it were a thousand years ago in Nigeria you would have worshiped the Gods of your ancestors.

I am still putting it to you that if your ancestors were colonized by the Indians you would have been propagating Hinduism, if they were conquered by the Arabs you would have been telling us that there is no God but Allah the way most of the muslims on this forum are doing. You are just emotionally attached to your religion and try to protect it from cold hard critical examination and that is all there is to it. Your emotional attachment to your religion makes you selective and biased about what yo see, that is why you are constantly showing the muslim faults in their Koran, but when they show you the same in your bible, your emotional attachments block it and you fail to see it. You keep criticizing their prophet as a war monger and a bad man, but Moses in your bible whom your God says is his best prophet is no different than Mohammed. You favor information that confirms your preconceptions and discard information that runs contrary to it. You keep promoting the christian concept of God and theology which is quite different from that of other religions as the best forgetting that other religions have their own concept and theology which they also believe is the best and they utterly believe they are right, you can say anything to them but they will duck , dive and dismiss everything you say, just they way you do to them as well. I have been following your debates with the muslims here.

You are all deluded. Both you and the muslims. You know nothing apart from what you have been indoctrinated with. The muslims don't think they are lying to you, do they? They actually believe they are telling you the perfect truth and you are the one that is being irrational, unreasonable and hostile. That is why most of these debates are pointless in my opinion because as a christian your starting point is your faith which is your everything. To you, your religion is true and every discussion should be about defending it, just as you have done here. Those of us that criticize your religion are evil and agents of satan according to the buffer you have been indoctrinated with. Faith to you is the starting point, but it is not supposed to be so, doubt is supposed to be the starting point. Doubt and not faith ought to be the starting point of any rational analysis. I don't care about the christian theology because it is man made. I just care about reality as I see it. And the reality is that all religions and Gods are man made.

You really need a good book or lecture on the concept of God and Religion . You have issues ... serious issues . Its like you are really trying so hard to assure yourself that there is no God .

God and Religion ... research on these two

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