debosky:


Ozil, Per and Poldi won a WC in the EPL

Torres, Mata, D Silva won the Euros in the EPL

The prime reason for WC/Euros winners not being made up of predominantly EPL players is because the winners often have very strong domestic leagues hence there is no need for majority of their squads to play abroad.

Furthermore, as coogar mentioned, the lopsided rules for domestic players (and their ridiculous costs) in England leads to the best players at the top teams in England being mostly foreigners, unlike what applies in Spain and Germany for the most part.

Top Chelski players (no particular order) Hazard, Costa, Cesc, Courtois, Ivanovich, Terry

Top Arsenal players (no particular order) Alexis, Ozil, Cazorla, Cech, Giroud, Ramsey

Top Citeh players (no particular order) Aguero, Silva, Toure, Hart, Kompany

Compare that to say Bayern - Neuer, Lahm, Muller, Ribery, Robben

Or Barcelona - Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Iniesta, Xavi, Alba

Nice try but still fail

Per and Poldi won the world cup barely playing they were deployed as mascots All those 3 were not key players in their team

Same with Torrs, Mata Silva. In those winning squads you can list 7 players more important than them. thats how irrelevant they are.

Your second reason. We have had France win the World cup and Euro, We have had Brazil win the world cup multiple times and none of these have a particularly strong home league nor did their home league contrbute the major key players who won

E.g in Brazil 2002 World cup winning team. The 2002 world cup final, Only 3 players were from their local league. The key players like Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Cafu, Carlos Ronaldinho played outside

If we check France 1998 too The core of the French team played outside France

When choosing the best player and top scorers it doesnt even have to come fom the winners but like I showed for over 20yrs none of the top 3 best player or top scorer at a world cup has been from the EPL

This is shocking

Also for other top teams, they atimes buy these Nations into their team, Bayern bought Neuer and Boateng , Madrid bought Sergio Ramos and Isco. Nothing stops the top English side from buying these English players too. man utd bought Rooney, Shaw etc, Arsenal bought walcott.

So why are they not leading the team to trophies

raumdeuter:

Nice try but still fail
Per and Poldi won the world cup barely playing they were deployed as mascots All those 3 were not key players in their team

Ozil nko? also a mascot? I didn't know mascots actually played games at world cups like Per did.

Same with Torrs, Mata Silva. In those winning squads you can list 7 players more important than them. thats how irrelevant they are.

Mascots that scored 3 of the four goals in the final, one mascot ended the tournament as highest goal scorer. Do you hear how ridiculous your assertion is?

Your second reason. We have had France win the World cup and Euro, We have had Brazil win the world cup multiple times and none of these have a particularly strong home league nor did their home league contrbute the major key players who won
E.g in Brazil 2002 World cup winning team. The 2002 world cup final, Only 3 players were from their local league. The key players like Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Cafu, Carlos Ronaldinho played outside
If we check France 1998 too The core of the French team played outside France

Both France and Brazil have weak domestic leagues hence majority of best players tend to play outside the country. The same does not apply to Germany, Spain or even Italy. My point remains valid.

When choosing the best player and top scorers it doesnt even have to come fom the winners but like I showed for over 20yrs none of the top 3 best player or top scorer at a world cup has been from the EPL
This is shocking

Euro 2012 joint top scorers - Torres and Balotelli were from the EPL. Euro 2004 top scorer Milan Baros was a Liverpool player, Euro 96 top scorer Shearer was from the EPL.

So stop being selective and picking only WC when you want and adding Euros if you want to.

Also for other top teams, they atimes buy these Nations into their team, Bayern bought Neuer and Boateng , Madrid bought Sergio Ramos and Isco. Nothing stops the top English side from buying these English players too. man utd bought Rooney, Shaw etc, Arsenal bought walcott.
So why are they not leading the team to trophies

You still miss the point - the Barcelona, Bayern and Real Madrid teams are predominantly Spanish or German. This does not apply to ANY of the top English teams, due to the lower quantity of quality English players being produced.

debosky:
You still miss the point - the Barcelona, Bayern and Real Madrid teams are predominantly Spanish or German. This does not apply to ANY of the top English teams, due to the lower quantity of quality English players being produced.

i don't even think it's a case of lower quantity of quality english players being produced....it's deeper than that. first and foremost, the share of the TV deal that is fairly distributed makes sure that whatever man utd can afford, spurs could afford it well. in other words, the bulk of the quality english talents are shared by 6-8 clubs in the EPL unlike in bundesliga or la liga where top teams can raid the young talents of the lower sides for fun.

Make una epp me plix.

Who else saw the filthy nutmeg Jozy Altidore did on David Lulz? Is David Lulz an aspiring chef? Nutmegged by Jozy Altidore for goodness sake! A Sunderland reject

www.benchwarmers.ie/videos/david-luiz-has-been-destroyed-by-another-class-nutmeg/

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-sunderland-flop-jozy-altidore-10021734

Hahaha I'm crying breh! Cc@raumdeuter

This na who dem say better pass Boa-TANK

A40:
Make una epp me plix.

Who else saw the filthy nutmeg Jozy Altidore did on David Lulz? Is David Lulz an aspiring chef? Nutmegged by Jozy Altidore for goodness sake! A Sunderland reject

www.benchwarmers.ie/videos/david-luiz-has-been-destroyed-by-another-class-nutmeg/

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-sunderland-flop-jozy-altidore-10021734

Hahaha I'm crying breh! Cc@raumdeuter

This na who dem say better pass Boa-TANK

Did David luiz also hit his face on the ground like boatank after the nutmeg? His response during the nutmeg is most important thing. Even Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and other great players were all victims, but they didnt prostrate for their dribbler.

raumdeuter:
pkasso



Oya knock yourselves out

OMG! Like i was expecting him to say something else.There's no way Neuer was going to say anything negative about Boateng.An 'endorsement' from a fellow team mate is not objective enough.I would like to know what other persons not affiliated with Bayern Munich and/or Die Manschafft think of Boateng as a defender.Say someone like Aguero or Messi.

A40:
Make una epp me plix.

Who else saw the filthy nutmeg Jozy Altidore did on David Lulz? Is David Lulz an aspiring chef? Nutmegged by Jozy Altidore for goodness sake! A Sunderland reject

www.benchwarmers.ie/videos/david-luiz-has-been-destroyed-by-another-class-nutmeg/

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-sunderland-flop-jozy-altidore-10021734

Hahaha I'm crying breh! Cc@raumdeuter

This na who dem say better pass Boa-TANK

Anyone can pull off a nutmeg just as anyone can be on the receiving end of it.Heck even Cristiano Ronaldo got nutmegged by Dani Alves.No be 'toros'? Abeg talk anoda thing jare.But to fall as Boateng did, in such comical fashion, like a sack of garri.THAT requires a whole new level of mind-boggling clumsiness.That was pure comedy gold.Not even Charlie Chaplin or Baba Sala could pull that off.For a moment there, i thought he was having a seizure! Even if David Luiz 'chops' a thousand nutmegs, he will always be a better defender than your BoaTHONG! One EPIC fall >> a thousand 'toros'!

pkasso:
Anyone can pull off a nutmeg just as anyone can be on the receiving end of it.Heck even Cristiano Ronaldo got nutmegged by Dani Alves.No be 'toros'? Abeg talk anoda thing jare.But to fall as Boateng did, in such comical fashion, like a sack of garri.THAT requires a whole new level of mind-boggling clumsiness.That was pure comedy gold.Not even Charlie Chaplin or Baba Sala could pull that off.For a moment there, i thought he was having a seizure! Even if David Luiz 'chops' a thousand nutmegs, he will always be a better defender than your BoaTHONG! One EPIC fall >> a thousand 'toros'!

Cristiano Ronaldo isnt a defender and they can nutmeg him from now till tomorrow. By the way na Dani Alves do am not Jozy Altidore

We need to look at the caliber of playing pulling the nutmeg on the other

Messi nutmegged BoaTANK, messi is the best player in the world

Altidore nutmegged David Luiz, Altidore was a dropout from freaking Sunderland

airmark:


Did David luiz also hit his face on the ground like boatank after the nutmeg? His response during the nutmeg is most important thing. Even Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and other great players were all victims, but they didnt prostrate for their dribbler.

The dribbler was Messi the best player in the world. Please tell us who nutmegged Luiz and the club he plays for currently

Messi is number 1 in the world, what position is Altidore in the world

raumdeuter:


The dribbler was Messi the best player in the world. Please tell us who nutmegged Luiz and the club he plays for currently

Messi is number 1 in the world, what position is Altidore in the world

So every defender that messi dribbles must prostrate like a respectful Yoruba boy because it's messi? Meanwhile I asked A40 a question, have you turned A40? Swerve.


A40 my guy,


Did David luiz also hit his face on the ground like boatank after the nutmeg? His response during the nutmeg is very important. Even Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and other great players were all victims in the past, but they didnt prostrate for their dribbler.

airmark:


So every defender that messi dribbles must prostrate like a respectful Yoruba boy because it's messi? Meanwhile I asked A40 a question, have you turned A40? Swerve.


A40 my guy,


Did David luiz also hit his face on the ground like boatank after the nutmeg? His response during the nutmeg is very important. Even Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and other great players were all victims in the past, but they didnt prostrate for their dribbler.

If its the best player in the world he can do anyhow to the power of Messi

Altidore, without wikipedia tell us the club he plays for currently, when he played his last game and his position in the football world

Altidore dribble person? e even better make Phillip Osondu dribble me sef

raumdeuter:


If its the best player in the world he can do anyhow to the power of Messi

You be mumu walahi. You better be worshipping messi.

raumdeuter:


If its the best player in the world he can do anyhow to the power of Messi

Altidore, without wikipedia tell us the club he plays for currently, when he played his last game and his position in the football world

Altidore dribble person? e even better make Phillip Osondu dribble me sef

You did nt even watch the clip. It's obvious. Go and watch it and compare it with boatank own. most great players have been nutmeged but they stood on their foot. I have never seen a top class player nutmeged and would be rolling on the ground 360 degree like an elated masquerade, except boatank.

raumdeuter:


The dribbler was Messi the best player in the world. Please tell us who nutmegged Luiz and the club he plays for currently

Messi is number 1 in the world, what position is Altidore in the world

Issokuso as usual...

The issue isn't about messi's status - it's the way Alagolo shamefully crashed like a pack of cards - I have told you this on numerous occasions.

Messi didn't do anything special.

Dadehmola:


Issokuso as usual...

The issue isn't about messi's status - it's the way Alagolo shamefully crashed like a pack of cards - I have told you this on numerous occasions.

Messi didn't do anything special.

To otondos like you Messi didnt do anything. There is a reason he is Messi and the best player in the world

Unlike mumu defenders getting nutmegged by Altidore. Freaking Altidore who failed at Sunderland

This should make for an interesting read.

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2015/09/05/poor-tv-ratings-for-bundesliga-on-fox-sports-continue-to-disappoint/

raumdeuter:


To otondos like you Messi didnt do anything. There is a reason he is Messi and the best player in the world

Unlike mumu defenders getting nutmegged by Altidore. Freaking Altidore who failed at Sunderland

If Ronaldo Shake Yansh decieve mumu opponent , na peeps like you go dey shout "Ronaldo aye" for viewing centre instead of pointing out how fôolish & gullible the opponent is.

Egbon Dayo, È gòh sir!!

Dadehmola:


If Ronaldo Shake Yansh decieve mumu opponent , na peeps like you go dey shout "Ronaldo aye" for viewing centre instead of pointing out how fôolish & gullible the opponent is.

Egbon Dayo, È gòh sir!!

Messi is the best player because he has sublime skills and not because they are gullible

Messi dribbling a defender is Messi brilliance, Altidore dribbling anyone is foolishness

Dadehmola:


Egbon Dayo, È gòh sir!!

he has Messi idol in his room, worshipping every morning. what he is a ridiculous fellow, even boatank will be ashamed of his defence.

Though this hole looks vacant and dead, but paradventure someone strolls in, hopefully a Bayern fan, i' just here to annouce to you that your ring leader in person of Raumdeuter have solely accepted the crown you guys solely deserves. Below is the evidence of him(raumdeuter)

raumdeuter:


Bayern is at least a champion somewhere.

Gleefully accepting the fact that Fc Bayer Munich is nothing but a LOCAL CHAMPION.

airmark:


he has Messi idol in his room, worshipping every morning. what he is a ridiculous fellow, even boatank will be ashamed of his defence.

Messi is worthy to be worshipped. Rather worship and get disgraced by Messi than by Altidore

Mystic1:
Though this hole looks vacant and dead, but paradventure someone strolls in, hopefully a Bayern fan, i' just here to annouce to you that your ring leader in person of Raumdeuter have solely accepted the crown you guys solely deserves. Below is the evidence of him(raumdeuter) Gleefully accepting the fact that Fc Bayer Munich is nothing but a LOCAL CHAMPION.

At least you can see the thread title if not anything else.

Read slowly and carefully and tell me which club in your EPL has more CL trophies than Bayern

raumdeuter:


At least you can see the thread title if not anything else.

Read slowly and carefully and tell me which club in your EPL has more CL trophies than Bayern

Your UCL trophies doesn't even beat a struggling liverpool UCL trophy. Guy forget you guys are just local champions like you rightly said.

I am sure I am the one who gave Boateng the name Alagolo on this board.

He is the most useless defender I have ever seen. His football intelligence is zilch. If he is not conceeding cheap penalties, he is busy chopping red card, or foolishly romancing the grass showing off his prostrating skills.

Your opponent did not touch you, yet you are prostrating for him. Jesu sunkun!

No wonder that useless entity was rejected from the EPL. Came into that useless monotonous league called "BurnThisLeagueDown" and his complicated football foolishness has elevated to a new level.

Tell me, which team in the EPL has so far conceeded the fastest goal within the first 10 seconds of starting a game? Na "set" dem dey play for that useless league? But trust Alago to always keep breaking new records in his foolish defending.

airmark:


Did David luiz also hit his face on the ground like boatank after the nutmeg? His response during the nutmeg is most important thing. Even Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and other great players were all victims, but they didnt prostrate for their dribbler.

Hahaha this is pathetic! Who cares what David Lulz response was? Go and look at that clip well well! And see how Altidore took David Lulz's soul

When you are getting disgraced by Jozy Altidore a Sunderland reject then it is time to start to consider retirement

pkasso:
Anyone can pull off a nutmeg just as anyone can be on the receiving end of it.Heck even Cristiano Ronaldo got nutmegged by Dani Alves.No be 'toros'? Abeg talk anoda thing jare.But to fall as Boateng did, in such comical fashion, like a sack of garri.THAT requires a whole new level of mind-boggling clumsiness.That was pure comedy gold.Not even Charlie Chaplin or Baba Sala could pull that off.For a moment there, i thought he was having a seizure! Even if David Luiz 'chops' a thousand nutmegs, he will always be a better defender than your BoaTHONG! One EPIC fall >> a thousand 'toros'!

You don't get nutmegged by phacking Jozy Altidore. I don't know why you are defending megedefegede especially when this is not the first time. Is he a Bariga or Peka olosho? Please why is he finding it so difficult to close his legs?

The Boa-TANK is a 100 times better than David Lulz! Its better to be humbled by a Messi who he has shut down numerous times in the past than to be nutmegged by Jozy Altidore who could not cut it at a rubbish club like Sunderland. David Lulz would never be Bayern quality and will never play for Bayern, we will never buy him not even for one CFA, he will never be World Champion and will never get to hang out with other fellow virtuoso performers in other sports. You know why? Cos David Lulz sucks!

pkasso:
OMG! Like i was expecting him to say something else.There's no way Neuer was going to say anything negative about Boateng.An 'endorsement' from a fellow team mate is not objective enough.I would like to know what other persons not affiliated with Bayern Munich and/or Die Manschafft think of Boateng as a defender.Say someone like Aguero or Messi.

This is highly laughable!! He plays for Bayern and Die Mannschaft their opinion is all that matters.
Its like a man who works with Lufthansa, his colleagues at the mentioned company are satisfied with his performances and see him as the best at his job but that is not objective enough for you, you want the appraisal of someone who works at KLM to judge said staff. Does that make sense to you?

So we should take the opinion of Messi or Aguero (players he has actually dominated in the past) over that of his team-mate of 5 years for club and country who he plays directly behind and has won titles with. Amazeballs!

A40:

Hahaha this is pathetic! Who cares what David Lulz response was? Go and look at that clip well well! And see how Altidore took David Lulz's soul

When you are getting disgraced by Jozy Altidore a Sunderland reject then it is time to start to consider retirement

Stop bringing something out of nothing. Altidore made a pass to his colleague in the process the ball passed through luiz legs. It is different from when you nutmeg someone and still possess the ball. How do you watch your own football? Boatank died the day messi buried him at nou camp.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2ERtv7i9oY

airmark:



Stopping bringing something out of nothing. Altidore made a pass to his colleague in the process the ball passed through luiz legs. It is different from when you nutmeg someone and still possess the ball. How do you watch your own football? Boatank died the day messi buried him at nou camp.

When Altidore who couldnt make a single succesful pass while at bottom placed Sunderland is using your torros to form Lagos Ibadan expressway you should consider retirement

raumdeuter:


When Altidore who couldnt make a single succesful pass while at bottom placed Sunderland

So he did nt make a single successful pass at sunderland, right? So how did he get this pass accuracy in his last season?

raumdeuter:


When Altidore who couldnt make a single succesful pass while at bottom placed Sunderland

this is rubbish

airmark:


So he did nt make a single successful pass at sunderland, right? So how did he get this pass accuracy in his last season?

Say after me: Airmark na mumu. Show us a pass through the torros while at SUnderland

And I don ask you since yesterday which club does Altidore play for and whats his rank in the world currently

airmark:


So he did nt make a single successful pass at sunderland, right? So how did he get this pass accuracy in his last season?

You are wasting your time with Ramudeen. Every player gets nutmegged. Even C. Ronaldo has been nutmegged before.

What I don't get is what a defender prostrate when he was not touched. Is Messi carrying Holy Ghost anointing ni?