NairaMinted:


About "ISIS being US and US being ISIS", well I can't change ur standpoint but something tells me that deep inside you know the truth.

What is different about Russia's strategy is that the SAA, Iran, Hezbollah, the Kurds & a limited number of Russian troops ( primarily support and logistics role) will form the ground troops that the hegemon lacks (Except for the Kurds in northern Syria that the US supports and also treacherously allows Turkey to bomb at the same time)

Missy, dear, you gotta admit that US foreign policy is in tatters and run by war mongering l.u.n.a.tics!

How is that different from the us strategy which is to have the Iraqis and their so called moderates fight and few us military advisers play logistics and advisory role?

Won't you agree that IS is a secondary adversary at this point for both sides?.

They both have the same strategy and the only reason Russia will probably have an edge is because of 3 reasons.

Assad's Army, Iran and and Russia's flexibility which obama can only dream of

Shymm3x:


Nah, the US isn't ready to fight ISIS - but Russia wants to bomb both ISIS and US trained Jihadists in Syria to smithereens, hence Iraq is part of the coalition. ISIS is the biggest cancer that's about to spread its tentacles to Euroasia and both are threats to Russia and its interests.

Russia will only fight ISIS if the pressure of the US moderate is lifted from Assad forces agree or disagree?

dammytosh:


It concerns us. Defeating ISIS will reduce Boko Haram Menace as there wont be support from them again.

There is no evidence that Boko-Haram has received any practical support from ISIL other than a pledge/ acceptance of allegiance.

Even if the Russian force attacked 'rebels' only, this puts the rebels on the back foot, as they were expecting a strike on ISIS targets, this frees up Syrian military to engage ISIS directly. Russian tacticians are playing chess, while Western tacticians are stuck choosing between KFC and McDonalds for lunch.

Shymm3x:


Syrian troops have been fighting for more than four years and obviously their morale would low, hence the need for more firepower and troops. I also doubt they have enough troops to go all the way right now. I believe they need a concerted effort to tilt the war in their favour again, from the stalemate - to get them back on their game.

Let's just see how it unfolds...but don't rule out anything cos Putin wants to go all the way with this one.

Iran is sending more troops to Syria and they have been deploying for few days. Russia's airstrike will boost morale for Assad forces obviously. they now have a formidable air force and air defense.

Putin is flexible to go all out now since there is no going back after their airstrikes. Russian boots on the ground is an option but it is to early to even think of that (apart from advisers.)

Missy89:



Russia will only fight ISIS if the pressure of the US moderate is lifted from Assad forces agree or disagree?

Disagree.

ISIS and Al Nusra...two sides to the same coin. Fighting one and leaving the other to thrive would be a miscalculation, hence Russia got Iraq involved before it started the campaign. You can't destroy one without destroying the other, else the other would replace the destroyed one.

Russia is out there to kill two birds with one stones...and they should start a bombing campaign in Iraq very soon. In case you don't know, The Kurds are also on board.

Henry120:


There is no evidence that Boko-Haram has received any practical support from ISIL other than a pledge/ acceptance of allegiance.

Why are you denying the obvious ?

1. They swore allegiance to ISIS.

2. A wanted ISIS terrorist was arrested on his way to NIGERIA.


What evidence do you need ?

ECOTERRORS:
I think you are a Sunni who wants Iran to be wiped out but Iran will always be a counter weight to the Saudis who sponsors terrors and massacres civillians in Yemen because they are scared of the Houthis

Who propped hamas up with light weapons to attack Israel and Israel retaliates with more firepower leading to killing of innocent Palestinian civilians? Who ordered Assad and el-maliki to release jailed terrorists to change the tide against moderate rebels fighting both regimes? Who provided houthis weapons to destroy properties in Yemen and overthrow the legitimate government? Who sponsored terrorists in 87 to cause disruption during hajj? The many crimes of Iran are endless.

Missy89:

Iran is sending more troops to Syria and they have been deploying for few days. Russia's airstrike will boost morale for Assad forces obviously. they now have a formidable air force and air defense.

Putin is flexible to go all out now since there is no going back after their airstrikes. Russian boots on the ground is an option but it is to early to even think of that (apart from advisers.)

Let's just see how it unfolds. Apart from the special and naval forces out there...even if they don't send regular forces, I'm sure they'll send Russian mercenaries like the ones they used in Eastern Ukraine.

Shymm3x:


Disagree.

ISIS and Al Nusra...two sides to the same coin. Fighting one and leaving the other to thrive would be a miscalculation, hence Russia got Iraq involved before it started the campaign. You can't destroy one without destroying the other, else the other would replace the destroyed one.

Russia is out there to kill two birds with one stones...and they should start a bombing campaign in Iraq very soon. In case you don't know, The Kurds are also on board.

We will see as event unfolds in few days. I kind of have a feeling both side (US and Russia) agreed on keeping Assad in power at least for now at the UNGA.

Shymm3x:


Let's just see how it unfolds. Apart from the special and naval forces out there...even if they don't send regular forces, I'm sure they'll send Russian mercenaries like the ones they used in Eastern Ukraine.

They are already there. I do frequent a Russian forum and most fighters in the donbass (Spartan battalion) are already showing up in syria. some guy was posting the pictures lemme look for it

CSTR2:
Don't mind this conspiracy theorists. They are just raving anti-americanists.
American funded isis would be very very powerful, much more than it is now.
Most of the nations receiving direct military aid like Isreal, egypt, saudi-arabia,e.t.c. have become military hegemons.
A US funded ISIS would never be curtailed by asaad .

The Saudis, Qataris and Emiratis have been supporting Saudi sunni fundamentalist wahabism through out the middle-east and the rest of the world.

Saudi backing of sunni terrorist groups and uprisings in the middle-east as a response to the rise of Iran in the region is what is largely to blame for the current political and general instability in the M.E.


Saudi-Arabia is not a military hegemon. They got a lot of gucci gear with practically no training/doctrine on how to deploy them in combat. We've seen how illiterate Saudi generals have continued to use M-ATVs as IFVs.

The Saudi coalition in Yemen continues to suffer major losses despite complete Saudi air dominance and superiority.


The Yemenis who the Saudis are supposed to be invading, have inturn invaded Saudi-Arabia.


It is unfortunate that you are propping of Saudi-Arabia.

Missy89:

We will see as event unfolds in few days. I kind of have a feeling both side (US and Russia) agreed on keeping Assad in power at least for now at the UNGA.

The US speaks from both sides of its mouth - on one side, Kerry agrees that Assad should be kept in power. On the other hand Samantha Power and Philip Hammond (he doesn't speak for the UK - he speaks for America lol) are saying Russia would be held responsible for Assad's crime. Who'll take folks like that seriously?

You need to follow Putin's speech - that should give you an insight into Russia's adventure in Syria.

Missy89:


They are already there. I do frequent a Russian forum and most fighters in the donbass (Spartan battalion) are already showing up in syria. some guy was posting the pictures lemme look for it

Lol. Isn't that boots on the ground?

I'm sure Academi (formerly blackwater) troops are also out there to represent the yanks.

CSTR2:
The invasion of georgia reulted in US military response in eastern europe.
Missile defence systems in poland and the stealth nuclear missile systems in germany.
Infact that audacious and stupidd move by russia culminated in ukraine trying to join NATO.

The Russians responded by deploying missiles to Kaliningrad on the border with Poland, and the annexation of Crimea.


Ukraine isn't going to Join Nato.

Henry120:


The Saudis, Qataris and Emiratis have been supporting Saudi sunni fundamentalist wahabism through out the middle-east and the rest of the world.

Saudi backing of sunni terrorist groups and uprisings in the middle-east as a response to the rise of Iran in the region is what is largely to blame for the current political and general instability in the M.E.


Saudi-Arabia is not a military hegemon. They got a lot of gucci gear with practically no training/doctrine on how to deploy them in combat. We've seen how illiterate Saudi generals have continued to use M-ATVs as IFVs.

The Saudi coalition in Yemen continues to suffer major losses despite complete Saudi air dominance and superiority.


The Yemenis who the Saudis are supposed to be invading, have inturn invaded Saudi-Arabia.


It is unfortunate that you are propping of Saudi-Arabia.

Saudi Arabia doesn't support terrorist groups your statement is politically incorrect and theologically incorrect. The stated goal of ISIS and other terrorist groups is to behead the rulers and scholars of Saudi Arabia. They refer to them as apostates and slaves of the west. Stop spreading misinformation

Shymm3x:


The US speaks from both sides of its mouth - on one side, Kerry agrees that Assad should be kept in power. On the other hand Samantha Power and Philip Hammond (he doesn't speak for the UK - he speaks for America lol) are saying Russia would be held responsible for Assad's crime. Who'll take folks like that seriously?

You need to follow Putin's speech - that should give you an insight into Russia's adventure in Syria.

No matter how much the West issue statements or talk, at this point, it is either they get on board or stay out of the way. Honestly thou, I think the EU should be glad, If Russia is successful mass immigration will stop

CSTR2:
The russians don't care about the world. They just want to prop their ego and stand up to america.
After messing up the situation in syria, they would pack their bags and leave.

Since the end of world war II, the Americans have been involved in over 50 military engagements across the globe.

This doesn't seem like a behavior anyone would attribute to "caring" about the world.

Truthpallbearer:
The scholars spoke in general about those that rebelled against authorities.

Please could you direct me to some of those statements!

Shymm3x:


Lol. Isn't that boots on the ground?

I'm sure Academi (formerly blackwater) troops are also out there to represent the yanks.

If that is the case. the SLAVIC CORPS have been operating there for quite a while too.

Missy89:


No matter how much the West issue statements or talk, at this point, it is either they get on board or stay out of the way. Honestly thou, I think the EU should be glad, If Russia is successful mass immigration will stop

But can the US stay out of the way after investing billions and years of training into Syria? Ditto the Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, and UAE? We all just need to pray against miscalculations with all kinds of armies fighting in two countries. Hopefully, there'll be proper communication, so as to avoid that - else, it might turn into a bigger war.

Syria refugees aren't even a problem - that was just created by the media to support intervention, hence the Russians had to act quickly. Those folks were maliciously unleashed on Europe and I doubt they're up to 20,000, to be honest. And the overwhelming majority of them aren't Syrians - there are mostly Romanis and other Eastern Europeans who aren't in the EU.

Missy89:


If that is the case. the SLAVIC CORPS have been operating there for quite a while too.

Well, that's geopolitical war for you. A lot of the US trained rebels in Libya run ISIS.

I'm sure Serbs are also out there cos they go everywhere Russia goes.

Nadheer15:

Please could you direct me to some of those statements!

www.takfiris.com/takfir/articles/srjss-shaykh-ibn-jibreen-was-not-with-the-leninist-takfiri-kharijites-part-2.cfm https://www.islamagainstextremism.com/reports/ibn-taymiyyah-the-takfiri-kharijites-and-the-issue-of-rebellion-01.cfm

Missy89:


How is that different from the us strategy which is to have the Iraqis and their so called moderates fight and few us military advisers play logistics and advisory role?

Won't you agree that IS is a secondary adversary at this point for both sides?.

They both have the same strategy and the only reason Russia will probably have an edge is because of 3 reasons.

Assad's Army, Iran and and Russia's flexibility which obama can only dream of

How is this different you ask? Lol! Are you for real?

Well for starters, you don't have members of Russia's ground troops such as the US's in the mold Of Division 30, Al Nusra and all those other "moderate" groups handing over weapons and aid to ISIS, undertaking joint attacks or switching outrightly over to ISIS.

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, MISSY BETWEEN RUSSIA'S GROUND TROOPS & AMERICA'S!

US-BACKED 'MODERATE' FREE SYRIAN ARMY FACTIONS JOIN ISIS TERROR GROUP
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/07/08/us-backed-moderate-free-syrian-army-factions-join-islamic-state-terror-group/

US-trained Division 30 rebels 'betray US and hand weapons over to al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11882195/US-trained-Division-30-rebels-betrayed-US-and-hand-weapons-over-to-al-Qaedas-affiliate-in-Syria.html


I won't bother with you again. Keep living in your bubble. Cheers!

Shymm3x:


But can the US stay out of the way after investing billions and years of training into Syria? Ditto the Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, and UAE? We all just need to pray against miscalculations with all kinds of armies fighting in two countries. Hopefully, there'll be proper communication, so as to avoid that - else, it might turn into a bigger war.

Syria refugees aren't even a problem - that was just created by the media to support intervention, hence the Russians had to act quickly. Those folks were maliciously unleashed on Europe and I doubt they're up to 20,000, to be honest. And the overwhelming majority of them aren't Syrians - there are mostly Romanis and other Eastern Europeans who aren't in the EU.

Well sometimes you have to cut your losses. Right now Russia will make sure Assad negotiate from a position of strength. Obama cannot back down on the rhetoric but he will tacitly do eventually and save face. But it all depends on the success of Russian intervention. I think the Russians will be more successful thou because there is no red tape unlike Obama.

Infact , the airstrikes might be extended to Iraq since Putin's mandate from his obviously rubber stamp congress is to use "the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation outside the territory of the Russian Federation on the basis of commonly accepted principles and norms of international law."

NairaMinted:


How is this different you ask? Lol! Are you for real?

Well for starters, you don't have members of the US "Ground troops" such as Division 30, Al Nusra and all those other "moderate" groups handing over weapons and aid to ISIS, undertaking joint attacks or switching outrightly over to ISIS.

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, MISSY BETWEEN RUSSIA'S GROUND TROOPS & AMERICA'S!

US-BACKED 'MODERATE' FREE SYRIAN ARMY FACTIONS JOIN ISIS TERROR GROUP
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/07/08/us-backed-moderate-free-syrian-army-factions-join-islamic-state-terror-group/

US-trained Division 30 rebels 'betray US and hand weapons over to al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11882195/US-trained-Division-30-rebels-betrayed-US-and-hand-weapons-over-to-al-Qaedas-affiliate-in-Syria.html


I won't bother with you again. Keep living in your bubble. Cheers!

I am not living in any bubble. Unlike you I dont see things black and white. I follow your post most times and you seem to think US is the enemy and Russia is a saint. The point is every nation state have interests and most times they dont align.

You will be totally wrong if you think Russia is intervening because it is "good " Syria is just another pawn on the geo political chess board for Russia and the interesting part is now that Russia is involved militarily, I dont see how Assad will get them out should they succeed.

For both sides, ISIS is an opportunist and defending or supporting Assad plays a larger role in their geopolitical strategy.

Missy89:

Well sometimes you have to cut your losses. Right now Russia will make sure Assad negotiate from a position of strength. Obama cannot back down on the rhetoric but he will tacitly do eventually and save face. But it all depends on the success of Russian intervention. I think the Russians will be more successful thou because there is no red tape unlike Obama.

Infact , the airstrikes might be extended to Iraq since Putin's mandate from his obviously rubber stamp congress is to use "the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation outside the territory of the Russian Federation on the basis of commonly accepted principles and norms of international law."

And what's Obama's red tape? - act first and think later syndrome associated with US foreign policy or the needless overstretching of the US military in a quest for an impossible world domination?

Rubber stamp congress or no rubber stamp congress - that's the best approach, if he's serious about winning the war. The Russian congress is no more rubber stamp than the US congress.

You spoke my mind.Remember the prophecy of saddam's foriegn affair ministers? Tariq azeez!The turmoil in the middle east is a direct result of USA intervention.They have killed all the leaders that have been holding the region together.

BALLOSKI:
the only reason why you have Russians now in the theatre is because asad is involved. I can categorically tell you that I'm a fan of asad , and you can also become his fan if you have read what dic'k Cheney said about their plans on how to destroy Iraq before bringing Syria to near rubbles.



I support Assad
I love Putin
I respect Russia

Shymm3x:
Missy89

Russia is deploying over 50 air crafts and choppers. Who will operate them without boots on the ground? The deployment shows that it's an all out war - not just an air strike campaign, and thousands of Russian troops would be involved.

Told you a few days when these folks were trying to play diversion tactics in the media with the useless NASA discovery of water on Mars. That was the same day Putin made his speech at the UN and from the speech you could see the handwriting on wall. He understands what's going on, and the need to act.

You are too sharp! Spot on!

osimataylor:
You spoke my mind.Remember the prophecy of saddam's foriegn affair ministers? Tariq azeez!The turmoil in the middle east is a direct result of USA intervention.They have killed all the leaders that have been holding the region together.

go to this thread and read what d1ck Cheney said https://www.nairaland.com/2637041/unraveling-iraq-playing-out-just

Missy89:


I am not living in any bubble. Unlike you I dont see things black and white. I follow your post most times and you seem to think US is the enemy and Russia is a saint. The point is every nation state have interests and most times they dont align.

You will be totally wrong if you think Russia is intervening because it is "good " Syria is just another pawn on the geo political chess board for Russia and the interesting part is now that Russia is involved militarily, I dont see how Assad will get them out should they succeed.

For both sides, ISIS is an opportunist and defending or supporting Assad plays a larger role in their geopolitical strategy.

give one reason, or with a well annotated diagram, if any, why America shouldn't be seen ss the devils.

Shymm3x:


And what's Obama's red tape? - act first and think later syndrome associated with US foreign policy or the needless overstretching of the US military in a quest for an impossible world domination?

Rubber stamp congress or no rubber stamp congress - that's the best approach, if he's serious about winning the war. The Russian congress is no more rubber stamp than the US congress.

Intelligent observation!