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| See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 6:24pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Who will define this best for us? " The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (from Latin trinit as "triad", from trinus "threefold"  defines God as three consubstantial persons, expressions, or hypostases: the Father, the Son (JesusChrist), and the Holy Spirit; "one God in three persons". THE THREE PERSONS ARE DISTINCT, YET ARE ONE "SUBSTANCE, ESSENCE OR NATURE.""...and in their relations with one another, they are stated to be one in all else, co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial, and "each is God, whole and entire" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C7593127051 We can deduce that GOD is the combination of Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit: GOD = Yahweh + Jesus + Holy Spirit That is you can't have one separately and call it a God on one hand. If the three make up God you can't have Jesus separately as God (so you may wish to call him the son of God in this case) as in: Except for hydrogen, an atom basically contains neutron, proton and electron. ATOM = neutron + proton + electron When one of its components is missing it ceases to become an atom, espcially when it's proton or electron (when they are not equal in quantities, too) and you can't call a separate proton (or any one of the constituents) an atom..... same case with Jesus. Bottom line: this part defines God in three persons. Wherever God is mentioned the three constituents are the referrals. Only one of the constituents can not be God. • But some Christians (like ORIENTNIGERIA, OLAADEGBU, Scholar8200 who recently did) would tell you the three Godheads can exist as a person and still be God, rightly as the internally-contradicting definition of Trinity tells. And that makes matters more complex and absurd. Remember when Jesus was praying to the Father about letting the cup pass him? That's God and God talking! Two Gods! If there is only one God then one of the characterS is not a God, but they say they are all God! Gods!: GOD = Yahweh = Jesus = Holy Spirit Yahweh is a God! Jesus is a God! Holy Spirit is a God! Yeah, three in one, but ACTUALLY three Gods working as One! And the idea of Trinity breaks down Christian monotheism (the belief in one God) They don't believe in one God; they believe in three Gods working together as One. 11 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Jozzy4: 6:43pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Beautiful Analysis , @ Proton The funniest part is that according to this people , God while on earth is actually praying to another God . 6 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 6:46pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Jozzy4: and that one God was kiiled on the cross after committing his spirit to another God. 4 Likes |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 7:08pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Pr0ton:genesis1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness... The verse say "US" and then went on to say "IMAGE" if God is three separate being, the verse should've say images. Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for US?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!" The verse say "WHOM SHALL I SEND" (ONE GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO FOR US" (three personalities) The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. However,these three persons are not three separate gods, but ONE GOD. This Trinitarian concept of God might seem to be contradictory from a HUMAN standpoint, but is perfectly logical from GOD'S EXTRADIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE. Anti- Trinitarian heresies elevate humans to the level of God or demote one or more persons of the Godhead to non-God status. Don't fall into one of those traps! "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19) 13 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Khd95(m): 7:23pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
A christian fellow once told me,d 3 are inseperable,but i asked him,wen jesus was nailed,did d remain two died wit him... 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Jozzy4: 7:24pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Malvisguy212 now i know you people dont understand indeed . Of cos most trinitarians claim they dont understand what they teach  Here is a brief summary of proton analysis ~ the FATHER is God (1) ~ The Son Is God (2) ~ The Holyspirit Is God (3) 3 Gods indeed , lets make it clearer ~ God the son is DIFFERENT From God the Father ? Yes Or No ! If yes , we sucessfully identify two Gods . ~ God the son is DIFFERENT From God the Holyspirit ? Yes Or No ! If Yes , we sucessfully identify the third God distinct from the other two. The Gods Identified : ~ God the father . (1st God) ~ GOD the son . (2nd God) ~ God the Holyspirit (3rd God) 7 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Rilwayne001: 7:32pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
This should sum it up. .., 3 Likes 3 Shares
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| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 7:41pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
malvisguy212: There is nothing special about the singularity and plurality in those verses. Changing and swapping from singularity to plurality is common in the Bible. For example.. Hosea 11 11 “When Israel was a child, I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son. 2 As they called them, So they went from them; They sacrificed to the Baals, And burned incense to carved images. Psalm 34 17 The righteous cry out, and theLord hears them; he delivers them from all their troubles.18 TheLord is close to the broken hearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.19 The righteous person may have many troubles, but the Lord delivers him from them all;20 he protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken.21 Evil will slay the wicked;the foes of the righteous will be condemned.22 The Lord will rescue his servants; no one who takes refugein him will be condemned. Bottom line: plurality and singularity do nothing in solving this rebuttal. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. However,these three persons are not three separate gods, but ONE GOD. This How do you try to defend what is only logical from God's extrademensional existence? 3 Likes |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Richirich713: 7:49pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Instead of addressing the verses malvisguy212 posted , people are giving their illustrations of wat the trinity is. No1 telling us who is the "us" or y jesus used "name" singular. 1 Like |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 7:54pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Richirich713: The thing is, the verses do nothing to help. It's just him telling us more about the Trinity, and the idea is being proven wrong, not the verses per say. |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Richirich713: 8:07pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Pr0ton: The problem with this is u guys are picking illustrations that u believe represents the trinity completely. I could easily say 1x1x1=1 but this can't be used as a argument cuz its a false illustration to say God is a number of mathematics and his nature obeys the rules of maths. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 8:35pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Richirich713: You can understand what you observe with Mathematics. You can rightly express a sentence with Mathematics. Everything said about the Trinity is better expressed in that way, just as it's expressed in words and sentence(s). It's not about God following some rules. We are saying the same thing in different ways. |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 8:40pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Pr0ton:All the verses you quote has NOTHING to do with the nature of God. You are not a christian, how can you understand the nature of God ?what you and the jehovah witness guy is doing here is 'you both are comparing man and God. This is what the bible teaches: 1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in nature. 2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one personality of the Godhead. 3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one personality of the Godhead. 4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one personality of the Godhead. Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three personalities in one nature. The Bible says that “one God” created us (Malachi 2:10).A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some type of multiplicity was involved. Genesis 1:26-27 states, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.… So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” 7 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:01pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Three entities exist as one but on earth three persons cannot exist as one @Pr0ton |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 9:04pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I never said they were pointing to God's nature, but to how the Bible interchanges singularity and plurality for a single subject/object, which might be what is happening in Gen, so that us and his may mean the same person/thing, the Trinity. This is what the bible teaches: It's clever how you want to get around this, but unfortunately the Bible doesn't teach personalities but persons. Understanding that brings us back to the real meaning of three Godheads in one, the Trinity and consequently to the OP. The Bible says that “one God” created us (Malachi 2:10).A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some We can use John 1:1 to clear that up. In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God. And the word was God. The word is Yahweh and Jesus (theos) Now you should understand the skill of singularity and plurality used in Genesis. 1 Like |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 9:10pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Could you make your point more clear? |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 9:20pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Y'all debating trinity need the holy spirit. If the spirit of God lives in you, you wouldn't have any problem understanding the nature of God. God is One, there is no such thing as three persons in one. God only manifested in three offices for the redemption of man; God came in a man to pay the price of redemption that why Jesus was said to be justified in the spirit....He was 100% copy of God in the spirit with the fullness of the Godhead in Him. If the scriptures confuses anyone in understanding this simple truth, then he/she should go for the baptism of the holy ghost. A Christian without the holy spirit of God in him/her is a walking zombie because he/she will never know the requirements for salvation in this age. Knowing God is progressive, as it is written, His righteousness is revealed from faith to faith and the just shall live by faith (Romans 1:17); but how can you know this without revelation from the holy ghost? For example, how can you know that smoking is a sin when it's not written in the scripture? Only the holy ghost can reveal these things to you. That's why every Christian needs the holy ghost! If you have the holy ghost you wouldn't be here claiming master of theology because the scripture was written by the inspiration of the holy ghost. With the holy ghost, understanding the scripture is very easy; because if you make any mistake He will correct you through revelations. |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 9:34pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
DoubleDeeX: This shows you don't understand the concept of Trinity. You said there was no such thing as three persons in one but yet affirmed the opposite in your post. After helping you see how ridiculous you appeared take heed of jumping into threads you never care to understand. You may not meet a nice person then. God coming in man means He is Jesus. Your three offices would include the Holy Spirit in which God manifests. The third is the Father. All these are three persons in one (God),pointing to the Trinity. It takes you to the OP. Go reread it and come back and post something reasonable. 1 Like |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by DrLazDevitan: 9:40pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
DoubleDeeX: If the Holy spirit was god in another form.Having the holy spirit means you have got god.What then is the need of jesus,since jesus is god in another form? If you wish to possess both forms,then it means you are no longer better than idol worshippers with different forms representing same god. Besides,who could be so greater than jesus to justify him after death? Is that form equal with jesus? If that form is not equal with jesus,will you still agree boths forms are alike? 1 Like |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by dolphinheart(m): 9:42pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Now this is another version of trinity.
Do you, malvisguy212 and richirich713 agree with doubledeex version of trinity? 1 Like |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by HCpaul(m): 10:17pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Sigh.... MATHEMATICIAN Well, the grave will accommodate you. |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:27pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Pr0ton: In Heaven (a different dimension ): God - Father - Son - Holy Spirit Three of these entities are one person . On earth (our dimension ) Emeka and Uche are two different persons and cannot exist as one Isn't this cogent enough ? Or Better explanation : Who is God? The Father says I am The Son says I am The Holy Spirit says I am How possible ? Because we three are one person. They are not three gods but One God existing as three entities ( in entirely different dimension) . |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 10:34pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Pr0ton:does the bible teach the following? 1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in nature. 2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one personality of the Godhead. 3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one personality of the Godhead. 4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one personality of the Godhead. Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three personalities in one nature. John 1:1 explains, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” Later in the first chapter of John we learn that the WORD (Jesus) “became flesh and dwelt among us.” Thus, the Word refers to Jesus, who was with God and was God and created all things along with the Father (John 1:14). We can see, then, that the oneness of the Creator must allow for at least some aspect of God to have a MULTIPLICITY of something. Alright. In logical form,we could arrange the argument as follows. There is ONE God who created man. The concept of oneness either means that nothing about God can have any type of plurality, or that some aspect of God is completely unified but at least one other aspect of God can have MULTIPLICITY to it. It cannot be the case that nothing about God can have any multiplicity since the Bible gives at least one aspect of God (the Father and the Son) that has multiplicity. Therefore, some aspect of God is completely unified, but at least one aspect of God can have, and has, multiplicity. Psalm 90:2 say God is eternal from everlasting to everlasting and isaiah 9:6 say Jesus is eternal and also the book of Hebrew 9:14 say the holy spirit is eternal. BUT NEVER for once did the bible mention angels to be eternal. Since the concept of eternality equally applies to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, then we have successfully determined at least one aspect of God that is completely unified and applies equally to every aspect of God. Understand? |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Maamin(m): 10:58pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Trinity still causing upheaval since Seun started NL,  But I tell you there is only one God (Elohim Ehad) |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by dolphinheart(m): 10:59pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:This is a new one again, another version . Emeka and Uche are two different persons and cannot exist as oneIs the father and jesus two different persons in heaven or exist as one person? Or Better explanation :So anybody that says "I am is god abi? If not, then saying "i Am does not prove you are god. By the way, I want you to point out where the holy spirit said " I am". Because we three are one person. They are not three gods but One God existing as three entities ( in entirely different dimension) .So when jesus ascended to heaven and god told him to sit at his right hand, was god talking to himself? Or was he conversing with the other person of the same person in another dimension? You guys are always looking for human philosophy to explain your 3 in one or one in three god. These ur post has issues with enormous dimensions 2 Likes |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:20pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Excellent response Why ? Because this showed that your inability to understand that three entities exist as one proved the truth |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 11:26pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Pr0ton: Hhaaaaa! Christians are just bunch of deluded & brainwashed lunatics 3 Likes
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| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by dolphinheart(m): 11:27pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: My inability to understand prompt Me to ask some questions in my post to you . Now what do we call ur inability to answer the questions that test ur own version of trinity? 2 Likes |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:28pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Outline these questions please . |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by dolphinheart(m): 11:31pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Read the post I quoted you on, the questions re there. Its just a few lines up. 1 Like |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:37pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
dolphinheart: 1. They are different entities existing as one entity 2. Your second question is not clear enough ... elucidate 3. They are different entities that share one nature - the "God nature " 4. I was stating an example . |
| Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Horus(m): 11:39pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
“in your Bible there are added verses to support your trinity theory.” Christians claim that a trinity exists in the Bible, when it doesn’t. Yes, you can find the words “the father, the word, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one” in 1 John 5:7-9 in any version of the Bible. However if you were to consult the original manuscript of the original Aramic or Syriac Bible, you would find that these words don’t exist and that they were added in. If your preacher, teacher, minister, pastor,deacon or any other religious leader really cared, he would take time out to research the original language, rather than rely on poor translations. If they knew how to translate from the original Syriac (Arabic) and Galilean Arabic, the verse 1 John 5:7 that you are familiar with today did not exist. Neither did it exist in the original Hebrew and Greek that were translated from these original languages. It wasn’t until the onset of the Roman Catholic Church that this distortion was made. The Roman Catholics inserted the trinity verse when they tranlated the bible from Greek to Latin. Notice I say “inserted” and not “translated” because, as I already said, the original Greek did not have this verse. However, you will find some Greek translations that have been translated from Latin or English, and it is in these Greek translations that you will find either the whole trinity verse or only a portion of it. 1 John 5:7 is surrounded in controversy because there are two versions of this verse. So-called scholars say the verse used in most bibles today is either not the original verse, or they say that it is only partially genuine. These so-called scholars continue to argue back and forth on this subject because they really don’t want to admit that the trinity really has no basis in the teachings of Jesus. I will refer to the Holy Bible from Ancient Manuscripts by George M. Lamsa, which is a bible that is translated from the original Aramic or Syriac language : 6 This is he who came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by water and blood. 7 And the Spirit testifies that that very Spirit is the truth. 8 And there are three to bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three are one. When you read 1 John 5:7 in your standard bible, which in this case is the Ryrie Study Bible (King James Version). . . you will read this: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Do you see what happened?? . . . You will find that the original verse 5:7, has been actually pushed up to merge with verse 5:6. |
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