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Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:43pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
^^^^ https://www.nairaland.com/262921/christian-trinity-biblical http://www.africanamerica.org/topic/the-father-the-son-and-the-holy-spirit The lies thooo ....lmaooooooooo |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by dolphinheart(m): 11:59pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
@ kingEbukasBlog 1 . I asked you : Is the father and Jesus two different persons in heaven or exist as one person? You answered 1. They are different entities I did not ask you about entity or entitities, I asked about person(s) ...................................... I asked you : So anybody that says "I am is god abi? If not, then saying "i Am" does not prove you are god. By the way, I want you to point out where the holy spirit said " I am". You answered : 2. Your second question is not Bro, my question is clear enough! ....................................... I asked you : So when Jesus ascended to heaven and god told him to sit at his right hand, was god talking to himself? Or was he conversing with the other person of the same person in another dimension? You answered : 3. They are different entities that share one nature - the "God nature " Bro, ur answers are off the mark! 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Jozzy4: 6:08am On Nov 01, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Hehehehe , dont mind the guy , he doesnt know what he is talking about . 1 Like |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 6:46am On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Not strictly three entities as you're saying. The Trinity says when these three 'entities' stay distinct/separate they retain the qualities of God, making them separate Gods |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 6:55am On Nov 01, 2015 |
malvisguy212: It's not just a particular unified aspect that makes them God. Verses in the Bible including John 1:1 don't give them the name God because of an aspect, but because they obviously say they are Gods in the real sense.. the word was with God and the word was God.. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Richirich713: 7:28am On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: Do u believe John 1 is saying there are 2 gods? |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Bhuumhite(f): 8:40am On Nov 01, 2015 |
Hmmn... |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:50am On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: lolz ... you are forcefully asserting at bold . |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 9:10am On Nov 01, 2015 |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:31am On Nov 01, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Don't flatter yourself , your questions are not clear enough 1. The first question means you dont understand how three different persons can exist as one . Entities mean existing independently . Meaning they can communicate with each other but hey they are one ! Because they share one God-nature . It is 2. I was trying to introduce flair responding to your question . I created a scenario,which was : Who is God ? The Father says I am The Son says I am The Holy Spirit says I am How is this possible ? Because we three are one ^^^ That is creating a scenario . I was trying to elicit an imagination from you in a bid to make you understand what the trinity is all about 3. That's why I preferred the word "entity" , because they exist independently but they share one nature , one divine essence , one mind of purpose and of being but of different individual mind . None of the three created the other and they are one existing in three forms . Even man is trinity - the body, soul and spirit - but these exist within one whole . YOU ! But the God trinity exist as three different entities . So was he talking to Himself ? NO 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by SonOfEl(m): 9:38am On Nov 01, 2015 |
God is A (not two or three) Spirit as seen in John 4:24, he is the holy and eternal spirit that fathered and dwelt in a tabernacle he made for humanity's redemption (the man Christ) (Matthew 1:18, 2Corinthian 5:19). He filled his fullness into Christ (john 3:33-34, Colossians 2:9), that is he said " this is my beloved son, IN whom I am well pleased". God is the Holy Spirit, father of Jesus Christ ( Matthew 1:18). Jesus is called God because according to him if you see him, you have seen the father (meaning Gods fullness without measure dwells omnipresently INSIDE him also) (John 14:1- 10). Jesus is God becausing the the Father dwells fully in him, and also, he comes in his father's name- Jesus (meaning Jehovah-saviour) (John 5:43). The Elohim Spirit being, manifests himself in 3 redemptive offices- Father (in creation), Son (in salvation), Holy Spirit (in empowerment and regeneration). I am a son, a husband, and a schoolteacher, it does not make me 3 persons in 1, rather, it makes me one person manifesting my 3fold obligations as a son, husband, and teacher. See 1Timothy 3:16. "Let us make man in our own image" is God speaking to his ministering spirits I.e. ANGELS. Genesis 11and 2Chronicles 18:18-22 also shows God speaking to his angelic host as " let us". Angels DID NOT create man, But they ministered to God while he was creating man, Genesis 1:28 says "and God created man in HIS ( not THEIR) own image ( i.e. spirit being), male and female made HE ( not THEY) them. God ALONE created man, while angels ministered (attended) to his needs while he was creating man. God carries his angelic host along in whatever he does, they are his ministers (attendants). In essence, God is ONE SPIRIT, ONE LORD, made manifest in three ways in his omnipresent ability, NOT THREE PERSONS COMING TOGETHER AS ONE GOD. I recommend this book: SCRIPTURES MISUSED IN CHRISTENDOM. Volume 1: The Godhead, By CHIKA CHRISTIAN or call 08060411271, 07056368705 for a copy. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 12:59pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Richirich713: Yh. The word is God who was with God in the beginning. They are both God. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 1:03pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: I'm not. It's what the Trinity is. "...and in their relations with one another, they are stated to beone in all else, co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial, and each is God, whole and entire" |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 1:05pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
FrancisTony: If he was God in man while on earth, who was the other God he prayed to? |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 1:07pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Jozzy4: Jesus was praying to God because he was a mere man... Paul said in d bible - Jesus is a man chosen by God. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 1:11pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
malvisguy212: ""Isaiah 6:8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for US?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!"" A blatant lie from pit of hell. God did not at any point in d bible ask "who shall I send" based on Jesus going to die for our sins. Read Isaiah chapter 6 from verse 1 to 10 so that u can understand what happened there. Dont just life one verse n deceive ur self... |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 1:47pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: One of God's nature is He can't be tempted Num 23:19. But Jesus was someone who was tempted more than once as told in Matt 5. This draws a clear distinction between the person of God (say 'his father') and Jesus (say 'his son') with different nature. So they are different persons. You call the both God, consequently Gods ironically sharing same nature. 2. I was trying to introduce flair responding to your question . I created a scenario,which was : These are the words of Jesus himself: John 17:3,"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Jesus separates himself from God as being the only God. He appears more of an inferior person (like a messenger) who is sent by someone he acknowledges to be the only true God. But you call both God, consequently Gods ironically sharing same nature. 3. That's why I preferred the word "entity" , because they exist independently but they share one nature , one divine essence , one mind of purpose and of being but of different individual mind . Three entities sharing the same nature, mind, essence and being collectively and saparately called God doesn't change the logic that the three are Gods, since you can separatly call them a God, too. Even man is trinity - the body, soul and spirit - but these exist within one whole . YOU ! But the God trinity exist as three different entities. Besides the part where you failed reality by using one myth to confirm the other, the introduction of man's trinity was also a failure to prove your point. If we accepted man's trinity myth as fact, then according to the myth God would actually be talking to himself. Man's spirit talks itself. It manifests in the body and without it in the body the body is nothing/dead. All thought going on in man is produced by the spirit and the actions this thought results to his done by the spirit through the body. The body is non-living. The spirit is the living thing in it. So was he talking to Himself ? NO Yes if the myth is followed. No, but to another 'entity' who was also God, consequently Gods. 1 Like |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Jozzy4: 2:00pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
FrancisTony: " NO , but he [size=26]emptied himself [/size] and took a slaves form and became human ..... He came as a man " - Phil 2:7,8 1 Like |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:01pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: myth ? Oh Jeez I'm arguing with an atheist about the Trinity . You have to be kidding me . Anyways we'll continue this discussion when you become religious - muslim or christian . I can't deal with your forceful assertions ,false perceptions and misconceptions right now . No no no I don't have that time to waste |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:04pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: @ bold this what I'm talking about ... why should I be discussing myths with you ... I thought you are a deist or muslim |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Jozzy4: 2:05pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: , you wnt to run away because he is hammering the point that you profess 3 Gods Evidence of three GODS : God the Father is DIFFERENT from God the son , and this two are different from God the holyspirit ? Yes or no 2 Likes |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:07pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: @bold This is another misconception - its called Arianism . |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 2:11pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: KingEbukasBlog: You'll never have the time to because you'll never be able to prove it, but cite your reasons from papers, which is no near rational to convince another. Arguing with a Muslim and a Deist won't change the argument (afterall I agreed to share the same belief of man's trinity with you) So I'll take that as a run-away. 1 Like |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 2:11pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton:Have you heard of Divinity of Christ? He existed in two forms both human & divine. While praying to God, He was manifesting in His human form to show example to mankind. His human form prayed to God. His human form ate. His human form slept. His human form endured pains. His human form cried. But His form as God healed the sick, bestowed power & authorities to heal, perform miracles et al to/on mankind. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by dolphinheart(m): 2:12pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Bro, one asks questions when one don't understand a theory or has issues that he or she want clarified . Hence your repeating that I dnt understand something is crap. When I ask you questions, pls answer. I'm not trying to get myself flattered. I asked you if the father and jesus exist as 2 different persons in heaven or as one person?. These question you keep refusing to answer. If they exist independently, then they are not one person ! They are two independent entitities. You try to merge them together with the use of the word "god - nature", what is "god nature" and how do we understand ur views with what is said in 2 peter1:4 and the statement that "god is a spirit".? . At this point, I believe we should start using the scriptures as the basis of our views. 2. I was trying to introduce flair responding to your question . I created a scenario,which was :The bold statements where made before I asked the question. Anyway, these post above does not answer the questions. The questions are on the use of the statement "i am" . Does the use of that statement signify that that person is god? If not, then the use of that word by any person is not a direct signification that that person is god, hence the scenario does not hold water. Furthermore, I asked you to show where the holy spirit said "I am". If by examination, the holy spirit is not found to say " I am " , why did you say he said it? If it is found that the statement in bold above is false, then ur whole scenario created to support ur views on trinity is false!. 3. That's why I preferred the word "entity" , because they exist independently but they share one nature , [b]one divine essence[/] , one mind of purpose and of being but of different individual mind .Pls answer the following questions A. What is the form that the three exist in. Use scripture pls. B. Can you add scriptural prove to indicate that they share one nature? C. Does sharing indicate equality? D. Do you agree that the god you are trying to portray exist in three forms at same time or at different points in time, pls what are these forms, and where do we find that in the scriptures. E. You link man trinity and god trinity . Does each of the trinity in man exist independently? If so, do they have different minds and will? F. If they exist as three different entities, that means they exist as 3 different gods. Unless u say one is not able to assume the nature of god unless it merges with the other two entities . And if they combine with the other two entities to form one god. Then it means they are no longer distinct and different entities anylonger. So its either we have 3 gods in one, or one god in 3 places, forms, entities. Whichever one you choose , I want you to use scripture as support. Lastly, do these 3 entities have same authority or one is a subject of the other or others. 2 Likes |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:13pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Jozzy4: The dude is throwing assertions here and there . Its like insisting that Obama is Kenya's President .WTH is that . And worst of it all , he is an atheist . His purpose is not to learn but the ridicule . Now calling the bible mythical was a total turn off for me . He can dwell on his bullshyt misconceptions I dont care . And you Jozzy4 I dont run away from stuff like this , you can read my posts if you wish . |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:17pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: Haha .. I just hate it when someone calls the bible mythical . If its mythical why open a thread to argue a myth . If you are willing to learn ,simply ask me questions and stop forcefully making assertions . |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 2:17pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Let me agree it's a misconception again, so that still means one of the Godheads sent another entity of the Godheads, who are both called God, consequently Gods. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by dolphinheart(m): 2:18pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
SonOfEl: Another version again,@ KingEbukasBlog, do you agree with the bold above?. 1 Like |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 2:20pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
FrancisTony: It still doesn't change anything. A mere man won't heal and perform miracles. He was then God in man on earth.... and who prayed to another God in heaven. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by dolphinheart(m): 2:21pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
chuna1985:Bur some say he is also 100% god.? 1 Like |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:21pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Its the same thing said differently . |
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