ifeness:
@pr0ton nice job!

Pr0ton:


I wonder why people find this particular part unbelieveable. What was your complex you when you originated in the womb? A mini-complex you or a singled-celled?

An oligocence primate, Aegyptopithecus. Which is also extinct.

I have. How do you know such exists? And how was it an uncaused cause that caused the Big Bang and not something different?

At least one basic building block of life amino acids can be produced from inorganic compound, as proven in Milley-Urey's experiment. Such, and more not known yet, could have happened million years ago where the earth's atmospheric condition mostly allowed than now all 'subconsciously' working to the evolution of life.

kaboraa:
This theory of the Trinity is very damaging. First of all there is no much evidence in the Bible for it. Even when Jesus was called good he said Only God was good. Furthermore, there are many reasons why I will side with the Jews who think Christianity is pagan. Why would God promise the Israelites that a Messiah who is like Moses will come and restore the Kingdom of Israel when He himself was going to come. He should have told the Israelites clearly because He said that we should judge a prophecy if it came exactly as he said it would. If this was not clearly spelt out to the Israelite how can they be held responsible for being cautious not to believe anyone when they were going by what God had told them. How would Christians feel if the second coming of Jesus comes in a way we least expect and then we are told that we are wasted because we did not accept him. I mean c'mon. Imagine my brother at home telling me he is the second coming of Christ. No matter the miracles he does I would not believe HIM because scripture has told us how Christ is coming and that we shall be wary of angels of darkness posing as angels of light. Now imagine if it was true that my brother was the second coming of Christ, do you not see how ridiculous it is when I am blamed that I rejected Christ. C'mon guys. There is so much confusion in Christianity because many things don't add up. God created the world millions of years ago, with all the wars suffering and diseases, decided to come down at a time there was no video camera and not clearly telling even His selected nation about it and then decides that those who did not believe Him are all going to burn in eternity for HELL because they did not believe HIM. C'Mooon!!

I believe very much in Jesus but I believe most of his teachings were practical simple living a life of love and not even about a new religion. Christians believe salvation belongs to those who believe in the Name of Jesus and accept him that he came to die for their sins. However this is not clearly taught as Salvation. Salvation belongs to those who believe in HIM. And he clearly stated that those who believe in HIM are those who obey the words he taught. And it is summed that all He talked about was less religion and commandments and living for love. If your life is not lived by love you don't have salvation. Period.

KingEbukasBlog:


That God exists as three beings - The Father , The Son ,The Holy Spirit - and they are one .

You are a christian and what do you believe in then ?

Who is Jesus ? How did Jesus come into being ?

Trinity is not a theory , its is fact

So How different is your Jesus to mine ?

Pr0ton:


And one accepts spiritual life through reading the Bible, right? And you also said only those with spiritual eyes can read the Bible... this is still sensible.

Jessicha:


You are complicating things for yourself .

If image of God means mind + body + spirit , then God is one person .

God has a mind [1Cor 2:16]

God have a spiritual body [1Cor 15:40,44]

God have spirit [gen 6:3]

Your analogy then proves God is one person , or you are totally using the wrong illustration.

Note : the trinity claim the spirit of God is a totally different person . Which is proved false by your human analogy , is our spirit a different person ? No . God said " My spirit" Genesis 6:3 , Which Proves its not a separate person just like in humans , who re his image .

Jessicha:


Defending your faith doesnt mean you should forget basic english sister .

@ underlined , how dare you use the word "Only" that refer to single , sole person to describe three persons ?

My sister the "only" was added for emphasis. Don't let it bother you and good catch

Pr0ton:


When people are referred to by name they are referred in whole. Just as it's wrong in logic and reality to call a proton an atom so also it's empty to call Paul's hand Paul. You don't separately call his hand by his name, you call his whole being, which may include your body, mind and soul, by his name, Paul.

Paul's spirit can't be called Paul separately, but the spirit of Paul. While Paul as a person can possess a kind of spirit that has a name, the spirit is never Paul as a person, but one of the whole constituent of Paul; body, mind and spirit.

When Paul's body possesses another spirit he ceases to be Paul as a person logically and in reality. He then becomes the person of that spirit.

Let's take Paul of the Bible as example. In one of his letters, in the last verses of Galatians 2, he says if the spirit of Christ lives in him then it's no longer him that lives but Christ living in his body, so that logically and in reality he becomes righteous (as Christ is) before God.

Where then is Paul's spirit? The answer is found in a verse in Col 3 where he says 'our life is hidden in Christ in heaven'.

Paul's person in his body is no longer Paul but Jesus, and that's why he is justified before God. Paul technically ceases to exist when his spirit is staying separately, but comes into existence when it possesses a body, at least in our world.

Here is the point... for a person to exist and be referred to as a person it NECESSARILY needs a body, mind and spirit. AND ONE OF THESE COMPONENT CAN NOT EXIST SEPARATELY AND STILL RETAIN THE QUALITIES OF A PERSON. For example, THE MIND CEASES TO EXIST WITHOUT A BODY. A SPIRIT IS NOT A PERSON WITHOUT A BEING/BODY. A BODY IS USELESS WITHOUT A SPIRIT AND MIND.

This explanation therefore proves the anology of a person's body, spirit and mind inconsistent with the nature of the Trinity. The three Godheads are said to be able to exists alone and still retain the qualities of a God, consequently making them three separated Gods. It doesn't follow the equation of a person, i.e

Person = body + spirit + soul

but

GOD = Yahwew = Jesus = Holy Spirit

where every entity is a God.. hence when they stay separate they become Gods

Sistersister

To say the trinity claims Gods spirit is a totally separate person is not correct .

God is not a person

kaboraa:
This theory of the Trinity is very damaging. First of all there is no much evidence in the Bible for it. Even when Jesus was called good he said Only God was good. Furthermore, there are many reasons why I will side with the Jews who think Christianity is pagan. Why would God promise the Israelites that a Messiah who is like Moses will come and restore the Kingdom of Israel when He himself was going to come. He should have told the Israelites clearly because He said that we should judge a prophecy if it came exactly as he said it would. If this was not clearly spelt out to the Israelite how can they be held responsible for being cautious not to believe anyone when they were going by what God had told them. How would Christians feel if the second coming of Jesus comes in a way we least expect and then we are told that we are wasted because we did not accept him. I mean c'mon. Imagine my brother at home telling me he is the second coming of Christ. No matter the miracles he does I would not believe HIM because scripture has told us how Christ is coming and that we shall be wary of angels of darkness posing as angels of light. Now imagine if it was true that my brother was the second coming of Christ, do you not see how ridiculous it is when I am blamed that I rejected Christ. C'mon guys. There is so much confusion in Christianity because many things don't add up. God created the world millions of years ago, with all the wars suffering and diseases, decided to come down at a time there was no video camera and not clearly telling even His selected nation about it and then decides that those who did not believe Him are all going to burn in eternity for HELL because they did not believe HIM. C'Mooon!!

I believe very much in Jesus but I believe most of his teachings were practical simple living a life of love and not even about a new religion. Christians believe salvation belongs to those who believe in the Name of Jesus and accept him that he came to die for their sins. However this is not clearly taught as Salvation. Salvation belongs to those who believe in HIM. And he clearly stated that those who believe in HIM are those who obey the words he taught. And it is summed that all He talked about was less religion and commandments and living for love. If your life is not lived by love you don't have salvation. Period.

Jessicha:


That means the trinity is not correct

Trinity says there are three persons in one God . Nd the spirit of God The Father is considered a totally separate person .

Person 1 = the father

Person 2 = the son


Person 3 = holyspirit / spirit of God the father


Can you see ?



So what is he , Wind ? You av just destroyed the doctrine of trinity that said God is a combination of 3 distinct persons .

SisterSister:


[b] My dear, please re-read what I shared previously?

We, human beings, are one person. Mind, body, spirit = one person

God is not a person, God is spirit. The trinity is 3 in 1, but not 3 persons in 1 person. God the Father, Son/Word of God, Holy Spirit = One God

[color=#990000] "For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE". (1 John 5:7)

Will you be willing to do something? Will you read the book of John in the Bible, even if you have read it before? If I may suggest the King James Version and another version like New Living or which ever one you have available, so that you can compare the two as you read.

When you have finished reading the whole book of John, will you please return to this thread and share with us what you can? [/color]
[/b]

Pr0ton:


and that one God was kiiled on the cross after committing his spirit to another God.

SisterSister:


My dear, please re-read what I shared previously?

We, human beings, are one person. Mind, body, spirit = one person

God is not a person, God is spirit. The trinity is 3 in 1, but not 3 persons in 1 person. God the Father, Son/Word of God, Holy Spirit = One God


[color=#990000] "For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE". (1 John 5:7)

Will you be willing to do something? Will you read the book of John in the Bible, even if you have read it before? If I may suggest the King James Version and another version like New Living or which ever one you have available, so that you can compare the two as you read.

When you have finished reading the whole book of John, will you please return to this thread and share with us what you can? [/color]

BETATRON:

A poor analogy to use.maybe I should term it as desperation
1 mind body and spirit aint one they perform different functions and complement each other on other occasions...you bath the body and not the mind and spirit..the body gets pregnant not the mind or soul,the body eats not the spirit
The body dies the mind dies not the spirit...the body grows old and worn out not the spirit...what are you trying to say when you use this analogy for trinity...do they perform different functions??
If they are indeed equal and the same why did christ exclaim "I was SENT only to the lost ship of the house of isreal? Who sent Him? How can a God send a God? You only send one who is lower than you in rank...and finally sending some1 makes him a messenger...so I think you should have a rethink and not bring up analogies that don't fit in

SisterSister:


There is no just analogy or words to accurately describe the Trinity, we only try. Another analogy is one of water. Water can be liquid, ice and gas but yet in all three states, it’s still water. Desperation doesn’t have anything to do with it. Care has everything to do with it. It is true what you said but it is not the gist or the heart of the matter. The analogy is just a lead. I can’t do the work required to grasp God and who He is as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is only you who can do this. One pastor says this of the Trinity, "Scripture shows how each member of the Trinity fulfills His specific role, and it also reveals how those three roles interrelate. Let me express this idea in simple terms: The Father creates a plan, Jesus Christ implements the plan, and the Holy Spirit administers the plan”.

Quote Source:
http://www.jesus.org/is-jesus-god/holy-trinity/the-roles-of-the-trinity.html

dolphinheart:

Pls show prove of these.


Is jesus a person or not?
Is the holy spirit a person or not?
Is the father a person or not? .
If you say they are persons, then we have 3 persons!



False translation inserted by those who are trying to make the scripture support the false doctrine.
just pointed out the translation of a verse that I have issues with.



We can share what we have read when we have examined some issues of mistranslations found in the version you suggested.

Always remember what jesus told mary, I have not yet ascended to my god and ur god.

BETATRON:
same sister it doesn't fit yes correct water can exist in three states but not at the same time...do you know that this concept of trinity was actually introduced into the bible centuries after christ?
Don't mean to disobey christ,I have full respect for him..anyways here is my question "if christ was equal to God the father how come he said "I was not sent but to the lost ship of the house of isreal" how is it logical for a God to send a God?

BETATRON:
same sister it doesn't fit yes correct water can exist in three states but not at the same time...do you know that this concept of trinity was actually introduced into the bible centuries after christ?
Don't mean to disobey christ,I have full respect for him..anyways here is my question "if christ was equal to God the father how come he said "I was not sent but to the lost ship of the house of isreal" how is it logical for a God to send a God?

SisterSister:


Question: "Why did Jesus say that He was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24)?"

Answer: Jesus was in the area of Tyre and Sidon, a coastal region in extreme northeastern Galilee (Matthew 15:21) when a Canaanite woman came to Him with a request to heal her demon-possessed daughter. For a while, Jesus did not respond to the woman’s entreaties, and she followed Him and continued to beg for mercy. Finally, the disciples, feeling that the woman was a nuisance, asked Jesus to send her away. Then Jesus said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24).

We should understand Jesus’ words here not as an outright rejection of the Gentiles—moments later, He heals the woman’s daughter (Matthew 15:28)—but as a fulfillment of prophecy, a setting of priorities, and a test of the woman’s faith.

In Jeremiah 50:6, God calls Israel His people and “lost sheep.” The Messiah, spoken of throughout the Old Testament, was seen as the one who would gather these “lost sheep” (Ezekiel 34:23-24; Micah 5:4-5). When Jesus presented Himself as a shepherd to Israel, He was claiming to be the fulfillment of Messianic prophecy (Mark 6:34, 14:27; John 10:11-16; see also Hebrews 13:20; 1 Peter 5:4; and Revelation 7:17).

Jesus’ words to the Canaanite woman also show an awareness of Israel’s place in God’s plan of salvation. God revealed through Moses that the children of Israel were “a holy people to the LORD . . . chosen . . . a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth” (Deuteronomy 7:6). It was through the Jews that God issued His Law, preserved His Word, and sent His Son. This is why, elsewhere, Jesus tells a Samaritan that “salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22). In Matthew 15, when the Jewish Messiah says that He was sent to “the house of Israel,” He is simply connecting His presence with God’s purpose in Old Testament history. Christ was “born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law” (Galatians 4:4-5).

This source continues:
http://www.gotquestions.org/lost-sheep-Israel.html

Who is Jesus? Is Jesus God
http://www.everystudent.com/
features/faith.html

Who is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.everystudent.com/
forum/hspirit.html

How Can One God be Three Persons?
http://
www.christiananswers.net/q-
eden/edn-t002.html

1 John 5:7 says, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. Why do you say the translation is false and the doctrine is
false?

John 20:16-18 (KJV)
Jesus saith unto her, Mary.
She turned herself, and saith
unto him, Rabboni; which is
to say, Master. 17 Jesus saith
unto her, Touch me not; for I
am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren,
and say unto them, I ascend
unto my Father, and your
Father; and to my God, and your God. 18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
Jesus told what would
happen to him before it even
happened. Yet, his disciples
didn’t see at first. Jesus said
he would be crucified, resurrect and return to heaven. And, that is exactly what he did.

1 John 5:7 says, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. Why do you say the translation is false and the doctrine is false?

Here is 1 John 5:6-8 in three translations:

This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1 John 5:6-8 King James Version (KJV)


And Jesus Christ was revealed as God’s Son by his baptism in water and by shedding his blood on the cross[a]—not by water only, but by water and blood. And the Spirit, who is truth, confirms it with his testimony. 7 So we have these three witnesses[b]— 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and all three agree. 1 John 5:6-8 New Living Translation (NLT)

He is the one who came by means of water and blood, Yeshua the Messiah — not with water only, but with the water and the blood. And the Spirit bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 There are three witnesses — 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood — and these three are in agreement. 1 John 5:6-8 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

JMAN05:
SisterSister



Did you not notice a difference between the last two translations and the KJV above?

Read verse 7 of both translations carefully

dolphinheart:

@ sistersister

I did ask you to provide proof of ur view that man is made up of the body, spirit and mind.

You said god is not a person
And I asked: Is Jesus a person or not? The site you provided does not answer that question.
The site also failed woefully in explaining why jesus is god.
If you feel I'm wrong, you can post the site here.

Even though I have a contrary view to some of the things said in that site, ill hold on for now. For now, below is what I take out of that site as I believe it is response to the question: is the holy spirit a person or not ?
: "The Holy Spirit is a real
person who came to reside
within Jesus Christ's true
followers after Jesus rose from
the dead and ascended to
heaven."

Now if you say the holy spirit is a real person, what about jesus and the father.?

The site cannot be displayed on my phone, maybe you can you post the content here.

According to a scholar: there are times when people adore their theology more than the God-breathed original, and they fight for the man-made
addition as if it were the original words of God. This has been the case with 1 John 5:7 and 8, and we applaud the honesty of the translators of modern versions who have left it out of their translations.

For a better understanding of what I'm trying to tell you, pls read what in on these sites.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/1-john-5-7-8


http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/12/why-is-1-john-57-8-found-in-the-kjv-kept-in-the-nkjv-when-it-is-believed-to-b

http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/texts/1john5-7.html

http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/verses/1Jn5_7.html

Even the NKJV reads in its footnote : U-Text and M-Text
omit the words from in heaven
(verse 7) through on earth (verse . Only four or five very late manuscripts contain these words in Greek.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5&version=NKJV

Hope you understand what jesus told mary, he told her that he has a god, that that god is also mary's god. That their god(both jesus and mary ) is the father! .

SisterSister:


Yes, there is a definite difference between the translations. This is the very point and serious caution among the translations. When certain verses are put in footnotes, rearranged in away or completely removed, the understanding is tampered with.

The last two translations you noted are definite copyrighted translations.

As well, certain KJV's are now copyrighted, which is why it is best to try to stay with the earlier published versions instead of copyrighted versions. It is this very thing that moves many to believe this will contribute to the apostasy or falling away from the church of many. Many will believe they have the Gospel but in the copyrighted versions many of them have been watered down, words removed and the intent no longer the same. Thus, the real transformation from the living word that takes place, will not take place. Why? Because, man has changed the words so they can make money from the copyrighted versions.

Here is a copy of the same verse but from a version that was earlier published and it is in sync with the KJV:


"Who is he that ouercommeth the world, but he that beleeueth that Iesus is the Sonne of God? 6This is hee that came by water and blood, euen Iesus Christ, not by water onely, but by water and blood: and it is the Spirit that beareth witnesse, because the Spirit is trueth. 7For there are three that beare record in heauen, the Father, the Word, and the holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that beare witnesse in earth, the Spirit, and the Water, and the Blood, and these three agree in one".
1 John 5:6-8 (KJV 1611) Viewing the original 1611 KJV with archaic English spelling.

Here is another version example:

Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Matthew 17:19-21 King James Version (KJV)

"Afterward the disciples asked Jesus privately, “Why couldn’t we cast out that demon?” 20 “You don’t have enough faith,” Jesus told them. “I tell you the truth, if you had faith even as small as a mustard seed, you could say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it would move. Nothing would be impossible.[a]” Matthew 17:19-20 New Living Translation (NLT)

"Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?” 20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” [21] [a] Matthew 17:19-21 New International Version (NIV)

***In the last two versions, verse 21 is not given. Many do not realize this and a very powerful message in verse 21 is missed.

BETATRON:
maybe you don't understand my question
I didn't say jesus rejected the gentiles...my question is why did He use the Word SENT if he is indeed god,who sent him?
You've actually answered the question "AS A FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY" are you consciously of unconsciously calling christ a Prophet?

JMAN05:


My response is with regards to 1john 5:7. The translation you quoted in that regard is still one - KJV.

sistersister, I want to ask you; an older manuscript of the bible and a younger manuscript, which one do you think should be the more trusted?

plappville:


Thank you very much. You made good points. Same reason Christians rejected Mohammad (SBUH) . The bible gave many reasons why Muhammad should be rejected. the last thin a Christian will do is embrace the lies in the Koran. We are in same shoes as the Jews. They hold on to the promises of God through prophets like Moses, Isaiah, Daniel, Jeremiah et . The Messiah will be a Man. A Jew. Not God himself. The comforter is the holy spirit Not a person (Muhammad). Christians should start thinking...and stop this God in three person dogma. It's indeed damaging just like you stated up there.

SisterSister:


Wow...I've tried since yesterday to respond to this comment but the system was not allowing me. Maybe the posting was too much

I understand that you are not saying Jesus rejected the Gentiles but just taking a verse and ignoring the context and what is happening in that time is what leads to error. Jesus was sent, as scripture reads and there are certain things that are understood...one being the Godhead and positions. The fulfillment of prophecy is pertaining to the Canaanite woman who came to Jesus for the healing of her daughter. Some do say that Jesus Christ was a prophet but we, Christians, believe consciously and unconsciously Jesus is divine. Jesus is God.