Barristter07:
the concept of one God known to Abraham, moses, Jacob ànd the jews is simply one single person known as God or supreme being.

but trinitarians object that one God is actually a combination of three persons and EACH is God .

again , one God cannot be three persons. its either one Single God or nothing else.

CAN ANY TRINITARIAN USE THE SAME ILLEGAL LOGIC THEY USE IN EXPLAINING THE TRINITY TO EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURE:



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Ephesians 4:4-6 International Standard Version (ISV)
There is one body and one Spirit. Likewise, you were called to the one hope of your calling.
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There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

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one God and Father of all, 6
who is above all, through all, and in all.




does it mean there are three persons in one Lord?

three in one HOPE ?

three in one FAITH ?

three in one baptism ?


** is this scripture to be understood as single one or three in one ?

Barristter07:
the concept of one God known to Abraham, moses, Jacob ànd the jews is simply one single person known as God or supreme being.

but trinitarians object that one God is actually a combination of three persons and EACH is God.

again , one God cannot be three persons. its either one Single God or nothing else.

CAN ANY TRINITARIAN USE THE SAME ILLEGAL LOGIC THEY USE IN EXPLAINING THE TRINITY TO EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURE:



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Ephesians 4:4-6 International Standard Version (ISV)
There is one body and one Spirit. Likewise, you were called to the one hope of your calling.
4
There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

5
one God and Father of all, 6
who is above all, through all, and in all.




does it mean there are three persons in one Lord?

three in one HOPE ?

three in one FAITH ?

three in one baptism ?

** is this scripture to be understood as single one or three in one ?

Emusan:


Just as the concept of 'Son of God' was not known to them.

But do you object to the fact that the whole human race is ONE MAN? Your understanding of this statement will determine your level of understanding of Trinity.

Your conclusion is irrelevant here. What matters is the revelation God reveals about Himself.



Going by your logic, there's only ONE LORD known in the OT which is God but in the NT Jesus Christ is the ONLY ONE LORD . That means Jesus Christ is God.



Are these things person?

To be understood as ONE!

Barristter07:
1 Chronicles 28:6 " He said to me, `It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my Son, and I will be his Father. "

Solomon is here called son of God.

show us where they described God as three person in one God ?

present your fact and the terminology u used to arrive at that conclusion, then I can speak on this.

the bold is the main concern of this thread, if one Lord in that scripture is ONLY one Lord and not three in one Lord , then do u admit that one God in the same verse is ONLY one God ?

ONLY one ?

Emusan:


Solomon being called the Son of God is very understandable to all Bible students.

But my own 'Son of God' is the one who was with the Father before the creation.


Do they have that concept? May be you can show us from the scriptures.

Mind you, this isn't even the only concept the OT people couldn't fathom about God.

OK, what I mean is this by NATURE mankind (that is human race) is ONE MAN (only ONE nature), true or false?
So if I say; we're ALL MAN, I don't expect you to think of a female to be called MAN in respect of using MAN for a male. I'm expecting you to grab the distinction between human being and other beings.

You missed the point. I said "GOING BY YOUR LOGIC" That is, if the OT people have the concept of ONE GOD. Then on that note, they (OT people) also have ONLY the concept of ONE LORD (which is God) and in the NT the ONLY ONE LORD we have is Jesus Christ. Grab that!

Yes One!

Barristter07:
@ bold.

"
5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!

Or who stretched the line upon it?
On what were its bases sunk,

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or who laid its cornerstone,
when the morning stars sang together
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and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

" Job 38: 5-7

dont let confusion set in .

ONE MAN is a single man . MAN/Nature is another point entirely.

the prefix "ONE" changed the whole meaning.

if u are reffering to the whole human race, its safe to say MAN.

but by adding the prefix ONE " to MAN. it refers to a single person.

we're ALL MAN ? thats gramatically wrong. we are all MEN (plural ) is correct.

in line with the bold, I ASKED : if one Lord means ONLY ONE Lord , then God in that same verse is ONLY ONE God , agree ?

ONLY ONE God ? just as u admit for only one Lord.


"
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There is ^one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
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^one God and Father of all, 6
who is above all, through all, and in all. " Eph 4: 4-6

Emusan:


That's wonderful, so you mean Only Job has the concept of son of God in the OT? Besides, it's God Himself who is asking the question not Job talking about the SONS(plural) of God unlike king Nebuchanezzar who confessed the Son of God personally and He isn't a Jew.

Lastly, the Son of God I'm talking about is the one who ALL THINGS were created through Him. Do they(the OT people) have the concept?

You're just coming up! The MAN here is NATURE so if you replace NATURE with MAN. You'll get ONE NATURE.

So, for me to say human race/mankind is ONE MAN(NATURE) I'm right.

Thanks for the correction but I know what I'm saying.


Now do you get the whole gist?

Whereas I didn't make my point through that verse alone. My point was through the whole NT revelation itself.

OT = ONLY ONE LORD (God)
NT = ONLY ONE LORD (Jesus Christ)

Barristter07:
the concept of son of God is found in the hebrew Scriptures is the focus of this discussion.

even though u know its perfectly wrong.

@ underlined ... then, this thread is not for you

the OP is trying to see if a trinitarian after explaining one Lord in that verse is ONLY one Lord and not 3 in 1 lord , can accept that " one God " in that verse is ONLY one God too !!!

Emusan:


Then where did you find it? i.e that ANY SON involved in the creation work or the creation was done through any Son? in the Hebrew scripture?




When you don't know what to say again.

Now do you get the point? That's the main thing here.





It's for me because you're not to grab my point is your problem. The whole things boiled down to how you understand my concept of human race as ONE MAN(NATURE).

Barristter07:
hahahaha which concept , the whole human race is ONE MAN , lol

even a primary school kid will never say such nonsense grammar.

no wonder you call it MY CONCEPT" .. u can teach that to ur church, IBI ko lo ti maa se yen, ko possible.

Why cant you admit the same explanation of ONLY one Lord for " One God" in that same verse ?

Emusan:


I can see that simple comprehension is hard for you. I went further to make my point clear by inserting (NATURE). Which can simply be said ONE NATURE.




That's why I said you must understand the concept I'm presenting to you before we dive into explanation of that verse. Till now I haven't come to explain anything about the verse just presenting a concept for you to grab and using your own logic which you also failed to admit.

Barristter07:
Emusan




I smiled reading ur post , you failure to apply the same logic u used in explaining one Lord to one God shows something is fishy.

Only a Lie need the bold to explain something straightforward

Even the non educated among the Ephesians could explain that verse Perfectly well.

" One God and FATHER OF ALL " Eph 4:6


the One God is àlso the Father of All.

the whole heaven and earth have just one single Father . he is the one God

johnw74:


Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Barristter07:
I smiled reading ur post , you failure to apply the same logic u used in explaining one Lord to one God shows something is fishy.

Only a Lie need the bold to explain something straightforward

Even the non educated among the Ephesians could explain that verse Perfectly well.

" One God and FATHER OF ALL " Eph 4:6


the One God is àlso the Father of All.

the whole heaven and earth have just one single Father . he is the one God

Barristter07:
Kindly explain your point in relation to Ephesians 4:6 ?

Emusan:


Please, where have I explained anything about ONE LORD here

Or your brain couldn't grab the simple explanation.



And Jesus is also an EVERLASTING FATHER, so how many Father do you now have in heaven?

If you've grabbed the concept I presented to you, let me know then I'll explain that verse to you.

Emusan:


No! You're the one who need to explain to us why Jesus was called EVERLASTING FATHER if we follow this your statement "the whole heaven and earth have just one single Father. he is the one God"

I know you'll begin to turn Bible upside down now

Barristter07:

Johnw74



Kindly explain your point in relation to Ephesians 4:6 ?

Barristter07:


the whole heaven and earth have just one single Father . he is the one God

Barristter07:
Emusan



What a dead argument, Tell me: is Jesus, the Father ?

Emusan:


No! You're the one who need to explain to us why Jesus was called EVERLASTING FATHER if we follow this your statement "the whole heaven and earth have just one single Father. he is the one God"

I know you'll begin to turn Bible upside down now

johnw74:



duh, your own words from your own head say:



God's inspired word from God's own head say:

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And you question it.
However I know that the sect that call themselves jehovah's witnesses pick and choose
what they believe from the Bible.


You say Father is the one God, and you believe it

and when the Bible say's Jesus is the everlasting Father, you don't believe it

You barristter don't believe God's inspired word, you don't believe God.

johnw74:


The truth is dead to you, you must mean

You said "the Father" is the one God

are you now saying "The everlasting Father" is not the one God

are you then also saying Jesus is not "The mighty God"

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The title "The everlasting Father" is referring to Jesus as the Word - as God
Jesus as flesh - as man, was often referred to as the Son of God, although many verses which I have posted more than once,
refer to him as God also.
But it takes the right Spirit to be able to understand that. Truth haters have been blinded.

Barristter07:
Kindly do, and let's see if the One Lord in that scripture means three in one Lord or only one Lord?

and let's apply the same logic to one God in that same verse

To answer your question @ bold

" And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. " Matt 23:9 - Jesus Christ with that statement tells how many Father I have in heaven.

Barristter07:
What a dead argument, Tell me: is Jesus, the Father ?

Emusan:


It's dead to you because you lack simple comprehension.

Jesus isn't THE Father; emphasis is on 'THE'

Look at your own statement and see that you're very confused "the whole heaven and earth have just one single Father. he is the one God"

The man is different from man!

Emusan:


But do you agree that there is only ONE LORD known to Old Testament people? Let's start from there!

So, prophet Isaiah was lying when he said Jesus is an EVERLASTING FATHER or Jesus didn't know what he was saying when He made that statement, right?

Everlasting means forever and the last time I checked the EVERLASTING FATHER Jesus was in heaven.

SUMMARY
It's either;
*Both Isaiah and Jesus were lying
*Both were saying the truth but a fable mind like yours couldn't phantom it

Barristter07:
You are still not making sense,

so far you confess Jesus is not the Father.

That means he isn't the " One God and Father of [size=27] ALL [/size] " Eph 4:6