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Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 2:25pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Jozzy4:At least, the preceding verse you skipped proved that He's God which you've failed to admit on here. John20:28 - Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God 2 Likes |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 2:28pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton:It changed something. He manifested in two nature i.e He changes to "any" anytime it pleases Him. While praying, His human nature was manifesting and prayed to God. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 2:28pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
chuna1985:what are you saying ? I don't understand you here.but If you think the verse is referring to Jesus, you are dead wrong. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:28pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: You are desperately calling the trinity Gods . The three are one . The trinity is a better name not 'Godhead' . God existing as three entities - The Father , The Son and The Holy Spirit . They are ENTITIES . Do you know the meaning of entity ? |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 2:29pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: How is my opening a thread to discuss something I know is mytical a problem? It's like a person telling you that he hates it when you strongly discuss fictional movies like Merlin, Primal Force, Tomatoes etc. with someone, espicially, who believes they are real. Another thing is even if we accept the Bible is real there are some beliefs about it I believe wouldn't add up to logic on a normal day. And this is one. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:41pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: Do you know about parallel universes ? That you , pr0ton ,are existing in another universe maybe as a business man , pastor , doctor anything else possible . Will you call it mythical too ? |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by dolphinheart(m): 2:42pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
FrancisTony:Where in the scriptures can we find these. While praying to God, He was manifesting in His human form to show example to mankind.what example did he show to mankind? That he being a god does not have the capacity of saving himself His human form prayed to God.When the holy spirit came on jesus, did he now have 2 gods in his human form? . What did jesus say about the power to heal.? Why did his god form not know certain things when he was being questioned by his disciples? |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 2:45pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: en·ti·ty- /ˈen(t)ədē/ noun 1. a thing with distinct and independent existence. I've been arguing in line with that definition. And what I've been asserting is the three entities are separately called God in the Bible. Do you agree? |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Jozzy4: 2:46pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
FrancisTony: Show me the preceding verse that said HE IS GOD ? The point is clear , he emptied himself and came to earth as a Man not as a God-man.
People said paul is God too , do you belive that ? Act 28:6 .. So I have no problem with thomas statement since God in that context doesnt refer to the Almighty ! In that same chapter Jesus reveal that he have a God (john 20:17 ) |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by dolphinheart(m): 2:48pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Nooooooo! 3 in 1 and 1 in 3 are two different things. His version is totally diferent from urs when we look at it from persons or entities. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Jozzy4: 2:51pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
FrancisTony: Lie @ bold , " he came as a man" phil 2:8a . There is a form of God = Divine nature There is a form of slave = human nature . He emptied his divine nature before coming to earth , emphasis on " empty" |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 2:55pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: It's a proposed theory that's based on assumption. It's not testable. It's not witnessed. I don't believe it. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:59pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
dolphinheart: They exist as different entities or beings If they exist independently, then they are not one person ! They are two independent entitities. Independent entity means they have their own mind too . At this point, I believe we should start using the scriptures as the basis of our views. I explained what I meant by a scenario . You are really alien to the way I address issues ,maybe that's why you don't understand Pls answer the following questions Ok A. What is the form that the three exist in. Use scripture pls.They are beings B. Can you add scriptural prove to indicate that they share one nature? 1. John 10:30 30 I and my Father are one. C. Does sharing indicate equality? Yes . They are equal . Genesis 1:26 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. "Us" clearly showed that all three have the same ability to create or creation and are one / D. Do you agree that the god you are trying to portray exist in three forms at same time or at different points in time, pls what are these forms, and where do we find that in the scriptures. God is a being . E. You link man trinity and god trinity . Does each of the trinity in man exist independently? If so, do they have different minds and will? The "man trinity" at some point will exist independently . Like when you die , who will face God's judgement - your body or spirit or soul ? F.If they exist as three different entities, that means they exist as 3 different gods. Unless u say one is not able to assume the nature of god unless it merges with the other two entities . And if they combine with the other two entities to form one god. Then it means they are no longer distinct and different entities anylonger. They are one God . One existing as three . Please try to understand what it means that one exists as three entities . Oh wait like the government of Nigeria . We have the local , state and federal . They are one government but are three tiers . They tiers of government play different roles that does not mean the local government is its own government or the state or the federal .They are all one working as three tiers . Example : You have a bad road in you area and you say "Oh please let the government do something about it " . Your local government is the most likely act because it concerns a remote or small area or because it will take little financing . So its either we have 3 gods in one, or one god in 3 places, forms, entities. Whichever one you choose , I want you to use scripture as support. Genesis 1:2 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The verse below shows that they are different entities who play different roles but are One . Just like our Government .- local , state and federal - not three governments John 15:26 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
The passage below completely denies that claim 1. John 10:30 30 I and my Father are one. Arianism tries to depict Jesus as inferior , I also pointed this out to pr0ton They are three of the same authority and power . Even Christians make mistakes . When we say "God" everyone assumes its The Father we are referring to and His Son, Jesus Christ , is lower in authority because He is A Son |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:02pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: Yup ,because they are one . 1 as 3 |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:06pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: So you don't believe in evolution , abiogenesis and the Big Fraud Theory , right ? |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:07pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
dolphinheart: 1 as 3 then . I hope this settles it ? |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 3:12pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
dolphinheart:Titus 2:13 New International Version (NIV) 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. what example did he show to mankind?Just the way he taught the apostles how to pray. That he being a god does not have the capacity of saving himself.He was in His human nature during those time. When the holy spirit came on jesus, did he now have 2 gods in his human form?.Holy Spirit descended on His human nature. Both nature manifests differently. What did jesus say about the power to heal.?The two nature doesn't appear the same time. It's more like someone manifesting in both good and evil. His good nature deserts him when Evil descends on him & vice versa. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:31pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: Jesus was man and is God - "dual nature"
Arianism
God is in a different dimension . Its understandable because the reality of one existing as three is above your perception Besides the part where you failed reality by using one myth to confirm the other, the introduction of man's trinity was also a failure to prove your point. If we accepted man's trinity myth as fact, then according to the myth God would actually be talking to himself. Man's spirit talks itself. It manifests in the body and without it in the body the body is nothing/dead. All thought going on in man is produced by the spirit and the actions this thought results to his done by the spirit through the body. The body is non-living. The spirit is the living thing in it. "Man trinity" is a bit intricate . Yes if the myth is followed. One God not three Gods |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 3:34pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Jozzy4:Philipians2:6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider [size=40]equality with God[/size] something to be used to his own advantage. People said paul is God too , do you belive that ? Act 28:6People said but Thomas called Him, which He ought to rebuke as He always do if He's not God. So I have no problem with thomas statement since God in that context doesnt refer to the Almighty ! In that same chapter Jesus reveal that he have a God (john 20:17 )His human nature had God same way He had a mother. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 3:44pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: He is still God. God is in a different dimension . Its understandable because the reality of one existing as three is above your perception There is actually nothing like your defined Trinity in the Bible. It's inferred from what is noticed in the Bible, the Trinity I have been explaining. It's understandable how you would shift the embarrassment to the 'incomprehensive perception' of the Trinity, even when it is clear and glaring. "Man trinity" is a bit intricate . You don't mind explaining how. One God not three Gods GOD = God + God + God.. They are three distinct gods in one. KingEbukasBlog: You agree they are separately called God..i.e Yahweh is God Jesus is God Holy Spirit is God. How are these not three Gods? Remember they do operate separately too. KingEbukasBlog: You possibly can't compare those theories with the String Theory. Evolution and all happened in the past and have evidence that prove they did. Homology, fossils, works of DNA, anatomical vestiges all support the theory that we came from a common ancestor and evolve with time. Astronomical observation of the spreading universe, increasing space beween galaxies, microwave background detection points to the possibilty of the Big Bang. String Theory is like 'an idea' of what happens in some 'possible universe'. Most scientists, if not all, who are involved in the talks of the theory of do not claim its actuallity. The highest is a likely probability. It's not tested and observed yet. There is no evidence to support it, so why believe? And how is the whole self-contradicting history-conflicting scientific-heretical Bible a stand to all the above? |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:44pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:45pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton ... |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 3:49pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
FrancisTony: Where did his God nature go to? |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 3:51pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:57pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: So? There is actually nothing like your defined Trinity in the Bible. It's inferred from what is noticed in the Bible, the Trinity I have been explaining. It's understandable how you would shift the embarrassment to the 'incomprehensive perception' of the Trinity, even when it is clear and glaring. So your point is that there are three Gods You don't mind explaining how. Because at some point
Because that's how you see it does not mean that's how it is .
1 as 3 remember ? If you could understand this then you've no probs . You possibly can't compare those theories with the String Theory. Evolution and all happened in the past and have evidence that prove they did. Homology, fossils, works of DNA, anatomical vestiges all support the theory that we came from a common ancestor and evolve with time. Astronomical observation of the spreading universe, increasing space beween galaxies, microwave background detection points to the possibilty of the Big Bang. Lmaoooo .... lwkmd ... brother pr0ton according to you : Pr0ton: Are these theories testable - No Were these theories witnessed - No So Pr0ton you then shouldn't believe them. Why ? : 1. there is no such thing as MACRO -EVOLUTION 2. WHAT CAUSED THE BIG BANG? 3. LIFE CAN NEVER COME FORTH FROM THE NON LIVING
"Misconception" is indeed a perfect word to describe what you hold of the bible |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:59pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Pr0ton: yeah ...poor network |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Pr0ton: 4:19pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:String Theory is different from evolution and Big Bang. The theory proposes that it's happening, even now. One has to observe this to agree with the theory. Evolution happened long ago. There's no way to observe how it happened, but there is evidence that it happened Now you get why I don't apply the same creteria to both different theories? 1. there is no such thing as MACRO -EVOLUTION This is not the right way to debunk a theory. You have to prove why. But if the criteria up there are what you use to judge what's right from what's wrong in the evolutionary sense, then there is no such thing as Genesis 1, or the Biblical creation. 2. WHAT CAUSED THE BIG BANG? No one knows. 3. LIFE CAN NEVER COME FORTH FROM THE NON LIVING I would prefer 'could' to replace the 'can never'. "Misconception" is indeed a perfect word to describe what you hold of the bible It's also the perfect word you hold of science that disagrees with your bible. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 5:35pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I already know it wasn't about Jesus. Christians believe it's about jesus |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Nobody: 5:38pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
dolphinheart: To believe that a mere man is God is one of the most foolish things I have ever heard about. |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Jozzy4: 5:52pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
FrancisTony: @ bold >>> Footnote : or in the Form of God . (NI V) He is in the form of God , the nature/form of God is " spirit" john 4:24 , even angels share the same nature as spirits . Does that make them the Almighty ? Start thinking Some humans will also be ressurected to live in heaven , and they will also be " partakers of the DIVINE NATURE " 2Pet 1:4 . I guess those humans re Almighty Gods since they now share the divine nature of God ? ----------- Coming to earth , Jesus EMPTIED the divine nature and became human . If u claim he came to earth with the divine nature , then you mean scripture lied that he emptied it . 2 Likes |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by Jozzy4: 6:00pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
Francistony Is It Not Written in your law that " ye are Gods" ? Lol , even humans are Gods , so why would he rebuke it when the law itself said we are Gods . ------ The point remain that : Jesus declares he has a God !!! " I am going to MY God and your God " ( John 20:17 )
Baseless , so that means You and I have God because of our human nature ryt ? Jesus have a God ! Simple . Even in heaven , he has a God superior to him ( 1 cor 15: 24,27) 1 Like |
Re: See How This Equation And Analogy Prove The Idea Of The Trinity Wrong by malvisguy212: 6:21pm On Nov 01, 2015 |
chuna1985:NO. You are confused, you mistook isaiah 9 for isaiah 6. 1 Like |
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