Spy360:

My point is that those we call 'big coaches' because they win titles in most cases succeed because of the MATERIALS available to them.

Take for example Luis Enrique, he just won best manager after leading Barca to six titles or so last season. But many forget that his first coaching job was at Roma and he almost got them relegated before he was sacked. His second job was at Celta Vigo, the same thing happened. Suddenly he joins Barca and he has become best manager.

Where is Frank Rijkaard today?

If tomorrow Gary Neuville joins Madrid and wins Copa they tell us he is top manager.

For me a true test of a manager's acumen is how effective he manages within his limited resources. You use Messi, Neymar and Suarez to win a league and think you are a classical manager. Nonsense.

Give me Barca, all I need to do is give the boys ice cream, and they will win me six trophies.

Spy360:

I respect the following coaches...

Wenger, Pocchentino, Ranieri, Flores, Howe, Martinez, even Garde , others are Allegri, Conte, Tuchel, Simeone, Sarri etc

I do not respect Mourinho, Enrique, Mancini, Guardiola, etc. My lack of respect is because they are not judged on the same scale as others. They are hyped.

Take for example Mourinho, just one challenge he faced at Chelsea, the team comes crashing.

I think LvG is underated recently, mainly due to his pride. He comes accross as too arrogant. Besides which I respect him as a good manager.

My sentiment with Wenger apart, he is good because he plays good football and maintains his club at a top level position consistently even with average players. Give him kids, he will still give you good soccer and finish in the top 4. That is without doubt.

Pocchentino has consistently been remarkable bringing up young players. His work with Southampton and now with Tottenham earns him my respect.

Ranieri, may be he has stopped tinkering. He needs to show consistency too.

Guardiola they say is the best tactically but can he do it without breaking bank? I will respect him after I see him when he joins Man City next season. But he should manage what he has got, not that he will rush to sign Neymar and Pogba. If given the same squad Pelligrini has got, I doubt if he will do better. On that basis I think he may be overrated.

kokaneprodigy:
it won't even still guarantee them, one thing about Epl team is the fact majority of them clubs can compete in the transfer market.
So it ain't lopsided like la liga and Bundesliga and the French league.
I recently checked the top 20 richest clubs in Europe and found 8 epl teams there, leaving the remaining 12 spots for the other leagues in Europe to share.
It'll interest u that westham made the list and Tottenham the 7th epl team to make the list is richer than Athletico madrid the third riches in Spain.
Reason You'll always find one or two quality players in every team in Epl.
My point is, he won't be the only active manager in the transfer market in England unlike Spain and Bundesliga where Barca, Real Madrid and Bayern respectively take the best players the league gat to offer and leave the crumbs for others.

Eruditor:


You will use your own overintelligence to trap yourself. If signing big players is no guarantee of winning the EPL, will you finally give him his credit when/if he signs "big players" and still wins the EPL? Answer on a tablet.

Eruditor:


Go and give CR7, Bale and Benzema ice cream so they can win a treble already. I cannot tire to keep sticking it to you overzealous praise-givers.

Which manager will ever be good enough? If Pep had won a treble with Bayern his first season you'd have said the same things: he is overhyped, the Bayern squad was already good. Jupp already did it. I'd give them ice cream and la di da. Now that he hasn't won the same treble he is now overrated.

Shay Wenger that didn't win a UCL with his unbeaten team is overrated too or nah?

chrisley024:
I tire o! Seriously! A coach buys and wins trophies and he had help and overrated, he buys and doesn't win and they say buying doesn't give trophies.

Living in delusion can be of help to some in failure sha

Spy360:


Take for example Luis Enrique, he just won best manager after leading Barca to six titles or so last season. But many forget that his first coaching job was at Roma and he almost got them relegated before he was sacked. His second job was at Celta Vigo, the same thing happened.

pelvicky:
""Luis Enrique arrives after an impressive campaign
with Celta Vigo where they not only achieved
their objective of avoiding relegation, but finished
in the top half of the table while winning many
admirers for their passing game.""



they finish in 9th position..... beat Madrid 2-0 and ended their hope of winning the league


spy360....come and tell us how Enrique almost lead Vigo to relegation


...he finish 7th with Roma ( failed } dis is your own relegation abi.....

Eruditor:


You will use your own overintelligence to trap yourself. If signing big players is no guarantee of winning the EPL, will you finally give him his credit when/if he signs "big players" and still wins the EPL? Answer on a tablet.

kokaneprodigy:

If he does, good but it sure won't be an easy ride for him in epl that's my point.
But do you think he'll have the monopoly of big players in EPL compared to la liga and Bundesliga? Answer on a phablet.

raumdeuter:


Which monopoly of good players did he have in Barcelona as an example? Did Madrid not have Ronaldo, Kaka Ozil at that time?

Wenger cannot win the league with Stars like Ozil Sanchez etc, if Ranieiri or Pocchetino should win, would we agree that they are better than Wenger?

kokaneprodigy:

If he does, good but it sure won't be an easy ride for him in epl that's my point.
But do you think he'll have the monopoly of big players in EPL compared to la liga and Bundesliga? Answer on a phablet.

kokaneprodigy:

The fact that you were able to use only real madrid as their competitor says it all, I can list 6 clubs that'll wrestle players with him in EPL.

raumdeuter:

List the 6 clubs that would wrestle players from man City
E.g Man city bought Debruyne for 80M last summer, list the 6 clubs that can afford to pay the 80M for KdB

Eruditor:


There is no monopoly. Some players just like some clubs better than others. Arsenal would have matched Bayern pound for pound for Lewandowski, but Lewa preferred Bayern. Bayern would have matched Barca for Neymar but he preferred Barca. Man United could have outbidded Arsenal for Ozil, but Mesüt had already been in talks with Wenger by 2010 (even before he went to RM) so he already preferred Arsenal. Alexis and Liverpool/ Arsenal etc. The list is endless.

There are some players that will agree to come to city only because Pep is there as the coach. So really, there is no monopoly.

kokaneprodigy:

Let me make it simpler by asking you this,
How many top players will leave EPL for Spain and go to a team other than real madrid or Barca? Or would leave EPL for Germany and go to a team other than Bayern.
But top players leaving Germany or Spain for England have variety of options with man U, Chelsea, Arsena,, man city, liverpool all having the ability to purchase and afford their wage.
When Pep said he wanted to come to England some said it could be Chelsea or city others said Arsenal or Man U. If he was going to Spain we'll all know it will be either real madrid or Barca, if Germany we'll all say Bayern and we'll all be right.
My point is the game will be different in England cos he can't monopolise transfer market, cos no monopoly of attraction as in Germany and Duopoly as in Spain.

raumdeuter:


Which was why I used debruyne as an examples how many EPL teams can afford to buy Debruyne for 80M or diMaria for 80M

Do you think Arsenal can afford Debruyne for 80M

Going back to your example if Neymar is to go to EPL or say Lewandoski or Muller is to go to EPL they would cost at least 100M. How many clubs can afford them in EPL? Can Arsenal afford to pay 120M or Liverpool?

Players go to clubs that are succesful in recent times where they can win trophies or go to clubs that can pay them stupid money

Does Arsenal or Liverpool fit into this? Can any of them pay Neymar, Muller or Lewy 100M?

In Arsenal history they only have 2 players Sanchez and Ozil over 30M, Atletico Madrid Griezman, Jackson and Falcao all over 30M

kokaneprodigy:

The question should be will not can, cos they can afford it. It all boils down to board's decision.

raumdeuter:


Which was why I used debruyne as an examples how many EPL teams can afford to buy Debruyne for 80M or diMaria for 80M

Do you think Arsenal can afford Debruyne for 80M

Going back to your example if Neymar is to go to EPL or say Lewandoski or Muller is to go to EPL they would cost at least 100M. How many clubs can afford them in EPL? Can Arsenal afford to pay 120M or Liverpool?

Players go to clubs that are succesful in recent times where they can win trophies or go to clubs that can pay them stupid money

Does Arsenal or Liverpool fit into this? Can any of them pay Neymar, Muller or Lewy 100M?

In Arsenal history they only have 2 players Sanchez and Ozil over 30M, Atletico Madrid Griezman, Jackson and Falcao all over 30M

An0nimus:
^^ They can afford it but their boards will most likely not agree to such moves. Looking at recent history in the EPL, only ManCity and maybe ManUtd boards can go that length.

Spy360:
Rather its based on more than one factor, the willingness of the player and the usefulness of the move; you don't want to sign a player for £80m just to make a Europa league place.

The main issue here is if they can afford it.

raumdeuter:


Who told you they can't afford it?

Do you know real Betis once bought the most expensive footballer in the world.

Do you know how much zenit st Petersburg spent on hulk Witsel etc.

Do you know lazio once broke the world record for transfer

Spy360:
Do you know how much China's Jinseung paid for Alex Texeira? And that they were willing to sign Oscar from Chelsea?

We are not talking about a parody, we are talking about what happens on a consistent basis.

Newcastle spent more on transfers than the Bundesliga this January. Now that's spending power.

raumdeuter:


In 2013 Monaco spent more than most EPL clubs. Any club can spend huge money

Betis broke the world record for Denilson did they have more money than Barcelona when they did?,

Zenit have spent big recently same with

Newcastle spent more than Real madrid, Barcelona Bayern Man Utd in January means what exactly?

Spy360:


Real Betis' record deal for Denilson was a one off event. Ever since how many top players have they bought?

We are talking about clubs paying for big players consistently. They don't have to be record deals; clubs who shop in the best markets.

Monaco can't spend much anymore due to FFP. Even if they do, their money actually belong to Qatar.