4watever:
The beauty of Christianity is that in the presence of God, there's liberty. There's freedom to debate, freedom to research, freedom to pursue knowledge.

Somethings are revealed by God, others are meant to be discovered by us.

Though revelation is much more preferable but Bible says it's the glory of God to conceal a matter but the honour of princes to search it out

The uniqueness of Christ is that he did away with the curse of sin and death and we are made/live right by Grace.

In Christianity, there are no rules or rites or traditions to follow as existed under the levitical law.

The important is to seek to know God with all your heart and you will find him

Unfortunately, people are still being deceived by a man who was born 600 years after the birth of Christ, declared himself the last prophet, took from some of the ancient hebrew laws and history and produced a revised rule book, calling it a holy book.

smh.

KingEbukasBlog:


Please dont derail . Only enlightened, sound and intelligent minds are allowed to contribute , apparently . Your opinions are as insignificant as Newcastle's consolation goal against Chelsea in the emphatic 5-1 win for the Blues .


Swerve !

abdulwastecx:


The problem with your argument is that it lack facts.

Christianity is almost the same with Islam. Both believe in monotheism existence one God, both of the. Share the same geograical location and both draw from similar pull of books.

Look around all those people claiming to be religious, look at the city and counties they live in compare it with those that are free minded, people that allow logic and scientific evidence to dictate for them and see.

Nigeria a big slum of large Christian population, in[b] fact we are one of the most religious country in the world at the same time one of the poorest, most corrupt, highest birth rate one of the lowest life expectancy rate etc because we believe en fairytale exported by whites and Arab.[/b] Many European are moving away from these stone age ideology and building better constitution and society that treat human fairly.

Imagine if you don't have to worry about some sky daddy,

...you will be able to treat your fellow country men equal

, be a patriotic citizen, pay your tax instead of enriching some pastors, solve human

instead of enriching some pastors

solve human challenges

and value your life more

The truth is, from all indication it seems that their is no life after death

banmee:


So, because he is not contributing to your delusions, he is derailing the thread. He is right. Religion is filled with people who are confused hence the topic.

KingEbukasBlog:


You are not making any sense

sukkot:
now the KJV version of the bible is divinely inspired and I can emphatically tell you that it is the only version that reflects the hebrew and greek scrolls from which it was transliterated. so based on that I will use the KJV.

MuttleyLaff:
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"mansions", this is a very interesting one.
The mention of "rooms/mansions/resting-places/homes/dwelling places/abodes/lodgings" only came about when Jesus responded to question(s) asked by the disciples about where He was going

The disciples being familiar with this ''groom preparing place for bride'' Jewish customs, related to it easily without thinking its a brain-teaser

Preparing a place for the bride, by the groom, in a large area of land in the parts owned by the male head of a family
actually has to do with a Jewish custom prevalent in just before, around and maybe a bit after Jesus' time.

I am not sure if the practice is still done in Israel at all or whether still now it is continued with present day Jews

The groom, in Jesus' times, before any wedding announcement or date fix, is expected to prepare or build an extension in his father's estate (i.e. father's large area of land)
The add-on building extension (i.e. rooms/mansions/resting-places/homes/dwelling places/abodes/lodgings) serves to accomodate the intended bride.

The wedding does not take place until when the groom's father is satisfied with the progress and work done by the groom in preparing the extension or building the add-on building extension (i.e. ''mansion'')

In My Father's house are many rooms/mansions/resting-places/homes/dwelling places/abodes/lodgings.
If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
- John 14:2

"However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen,
not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself.
Only the Father knows
- Mark 13:32

It is not for the biblical times Jewish son to know the date fixed for the wedding.
It is the father, after father is content that the groom has satisfactorily and up to the father's standards has completely prepared the place for the bride, that the father decides the date of the wedding

That is the correlation between John 14:2 and Mark 13:32, and how Jesus came about the mentioning this old biblical times Jewish custom to explain that He doesnt know the time, He is only and merely going to prepare a place on the large area owned by the Father, and further saying in Mark 13:32 that, it is the Father who determines or has the last say on the wedding date
Only the Father determines or knows the D-Day (i.e. the designated day)

And to those who had been selling doves he said:
“Take these things out of here, and do not make my Father's house a house of trade.”
- John 2:16

Diverging a bit here, compare John 14:2 with John 2:16 above for a moment, to note that how ''Father's house'' is used in both verses and elsewhere has two or more different meanings
The former in John 14:2, is as in like a sovereign, kingdom or government,
whilst the latter in John 2:16 can be signified as an embassy/high Commissions/consulate/diplomat's building

If the Kingdom of Heaven extends or stretches beyond Heaven itself,
then it's easy to recognise or find out that, from wherever one is standing, Heaven (i.e. its sovereign, kingdom or government) goes further or is more than, as far as the eye sees

EreluY:
[b][size=14pt]When you die, you die. You rot in sheol. QED. There is no heaven or hell. Even the garden of eden described in Genesis doesn't exist on this planet earth. The entire TANAKH (Hebrew Scriptures or Old Testament) is based on aspects of ancient Hebrew history, interspersed with ancient Mesopotamian folklore and mythologies. The New Testament contains concocted narratives whose authorships are ascribed to the Apostles to legitimise their authenticity. Of course, the veracity of John's apocalypse on the Island of Pátmos (in today's Greece) is nil. It's all unverifiable and unfalsifiable truth-claims. As such all these eschatological claims and apocalyptic promises are false ideologies meant to create false consciousness in the mind of the proletarians, explaining why religion is not only a spiritual gin, but also the opium of the masses. Africans in general and Nigerians in particular need to allow the light of enlightenment to shine upon them so they can be released from the shackles of religion which still leaves Africa a dark continent.[/size][/b]

KingEbukasBlog:


.... Who is this one ? Can you provide evidence ?

Let me show you how you dont make any sense .

[size=25pt]America's president is Jonathan Guntam and not Obama . The blacks around the world are being deceived to accept that an African American rules the United States but its false . This is a plan by a major white intellectual group in the US and this has been kept secret for years now .. The real name of the black man who is being presented as the US President is Jordan McFerrlin - a Swedish spy of African decent .

The black nation has to rise against this deception and say no or forever remain in darkness - subdued always by the white man .[/size]

no be only you sabi talk none sense

KingEbukasBlog:


.... Who is this one ? Can you provide evidence ?

Let me show you how you dont make any sense .

America's president is Jonathan Guntam and not Obama . The blacks around the world are being deceived to accept that an African American rules the United States but its false . This is a plan by a major white intellectual group in the US and this has been kept secret for years now .. The real name of the black man who is being presented as the US President is Jordan McFerrlin - a Swedish spy of African decent .

The black nation has to rise against this deception and say no or forever remain in darkness - subdued always by the white man .

no be only you sabi talk none sense

abdulwastecx:


My only problem with all these mansion is the congestion they will cause in the said heaven ( a mythical sky city) with billions if not trillions of Christians.

What do you now do in these mansions?
Who will maintain them, pent them regularly?
How will you now relate with others if everyone in heaven lives in one mighty Palace o sorry mansion for ever.

The problem with heaven is that it was propagated thousands of years ago when men were living like animal, with poor standard of living and bad environment. Now we have sophisticated technology, the premier League and so many things that you will not get in those heaven.

Life will be super boring in a big mansion heaven where you eat and sleep for eternity

Ishilove:

Rotfl/

dalaman:


If you are to bring back to life the author of the book of revelations and drop him in a place like Dubai, the author will tell you he is in heaven . These guys wrote and imagined a better world when they were under occupation and we're lacking almost all the basic necessities of life. It's funny how people living in the 21st century century still believe them.

KingEbukasBlog:


.... Who is this one ? Can you provide evidence ?

Let me show you how you dont make any sense .

[size=25pt]America's president is Jonathan Guntam and not Obama . The blacks around the world are being deceived to accept that an African American rules the United States but its false . This is a plan by a major white intellectual group in the US and this has been kept secret for years now .. The real name of the black man who is being presented as the US President is Jordan McFerrlin - a Swedish spy of African decent .

The black nation has to rise against this deception and say no or forever remain in darkness - subdued always by the white man .[/size]

no be only you sabi talk none sense

Chukazu:
now I need to know where it is stated that believers are going to heaven let alone owning mansions?

EreluY:


[size=14pt]"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." (John 14:2).


Of all the gospellers, John is the most hideous. His version of the gospel came (c. 90–110 CE) after Mark's, Matthew's and Luke's versions of the gospel. So, he basically coined and added stuff missing from the other gospellers with a view to cementing earlier works. This verse is one of those concocted additions.[/size]

KingEbukasBlog:


Its normal for people to get things mixed up in every area of life . You have parents to guide you in life and explain to you intricate issues you might face or you faced . In school , you've got teachers and even your fellow students through whom you can learn from. In CHurch , you have your pastors and the brethren to guide you as read God's word and answer questions in areas you dont seem to understand .

This bible verse elucidates the first sentence you made

1 Corinthians 14:26



When you assemble , when you have a fellowship , a christian discussion like we are doing ... each has a psalm , a teaching , a revelation and a what ... interpretation . And the purpose ? For edification - the moral or intellectual instruction or improvement of someone.

Another non issue raised by you . You dont seem to give up even when you are publicly humiliated .

1 Thessalonians 5:11


Again ... Dalaman we are building up one another ..please dont disturb

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dalaman:


Stop throwing silly bible verses around that supports what I am saying. Does your God want people to know if people will inherit mansions in heaven or not? If he wants people to inherit mansions then why are you guys arguing about it? Why doesn't he ever tell you guys exactly what he wants? Why are you guys always confused about every issue? What exactly is your God's plans for the after life? Is it for Christians to live in.mansions I'm heaven or not? Why the confusion?

Dekatron:


see this one


You self want mansion Get your arse up & work hard!! No mansion after death, hommie. Don't let any con man scam you.


cc hahn, ichommy, UncleSnr

KingEbukasBlog:


The thread clarifies that mansions , good life ,prosperity are for Christians in the New Earth during Christ's second coming - clearly written in the bible . Its a common misconception to think its in Heaven - God's abode .

I once thought that God came from nothing (self-existent) - a misconception - even when the bible made it clear that He is eternal , no beginning no end . Would you have asked me if I was confused ? Many Christians still have the belief that God's power made He come from nothing . A christian comic book I had as a kid made the clear insinuation that He did and I picked up on that . I still remember the first page of Him supposedly coming from nothing. The adults told us to refrain from asking who created God when the bible clearly stated that He had no beginning


You Mr really have to loosen up with the way you see Christian beliefs. Stop the objurgation and try to understand basic stuff before you spew your suppositions .

dalaman:


Not really because the bible has Jesus clearly saying he will come back and take people to go and be with him and stay with him in the place where he came from.
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KingEbukasBlog:


Off course . During rapture , the saints will be taken away to heaven - God's abode . Then during His second coming the saints would be back for their eternal stay in the New Earth . The New Jerusalem will be brought forth from Heaven , according to the bible . The mansions and all are in the New Earth

Dalaman , apparently , you chose to harden your heart against God . We've been repeating this same thing in this same thread and you are obdurate about your opinions on the subject .

dalaman:


I have told you what my problem is with religious scriptures, the fact that they are not clear and the various different interpretations and opinions that abound and why it all amounts to a total failure. I do not chose to harden my heart against any God . If there is a living God that exist and wants me to know him and have a personal relationship with him as you guys claim, you will not he here speaking on it's behalf. He will do all his bidding himself.

KingEbukasBlog:


On his behalf ? I have a penchant for having arguments .. no more like a propensity to argue - I sometimes disagree to whatever opinion one has - that's how I believe I can learn from another person . And the religion section is the best bet . Comprendre ?

Someone can find Christ without the bible .

dalaman:


Sure, you can be a christian without reading the bible, so many illiterates are christians. You can not be a christian without being told about Jesus.