KingEbukasBlog:


Do you know that most drunks , scallywags and scums of the society are atheists? Try telling them about Jesus and see how you will be mocked publicly

. Can you provide the study that shows that most drunks and scums of any society are atheist? We can begin with Nigeria, since we both know the country and its people very well. All the drunks in Nigeria are theist, all the criminals that have destroyed the country and have refused to allow it grow are theist, all the fraudsters in Nigeria are theist, Boko Haram are all theist(in fact in Nigeria we have had so many countless religious crisis that has killed many people), all the prostitutes in Nigeria are all theist, in fact over 97 percent of the people living in Nigeria are theist. The corrupt leaders that have refused to allow the country move forward are all theist. All the criminals in Nigeria and the scum of the society are theist. Name any society that has a sizable atheist and theist population where majority of the drunks and scalawags are atheist.

There are many who have testified about knowing Jesus through a revelation

If people can know about Jesus through revelation then why did Jesus tell people to go and preach to the world? Why didn't he reveal himself to every body? Why does it have to take the slave masters to bring christianity to Africans? You must be told about Jesus by someone before you know about him that is the fact.

dalaman:


. Can you provide the study that shows that most drunks and scums of any society are atheist? We can begin with Nigeria, since we both know the country and its people very well. All the drunks in Nigeria are theist, all the criminals that have destroyed the country and have refused to allow it grow are theist, all the fraudsters in Nigeria are theist, Boko Haram are all theist(in fact in Nigeria we have had so many countless religious crisis that has killed many people), all the prostitutes in Nigeria are all theist, in fact over 97 percent of the people living in Nigeria are theist. The corrupt leaders that have refused to allow the country move forward are all theist. All the criminals in Nigeria and the scum of the society are theist. Name any society that has a sizable atheist and theist population where majority of the drunks and scalawags are atheist.

Seriously ? Australia , North Korea , Netherlands and Sweden are atheistic countries ... right ? And there are crimes in the aforementioned countries ... right ?

According to BBC , Sweden's rape cases are on the spotlight . Sweden is described as the rape capital of the West . Australia , a self-acclaimed atheistic country was also described as the kidnapping capital in the World .

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

Should we also address the horrendous crimes committed by North Korea's Kim who is a megalomaniac ?

But I'm glad that the Dutch have a clean crime rate

If people can know about Jesus through revelation then why did Jesus tell people to go and preach to the world? Why didn't he reveal himself to every body? Why does it have to take the slave masters to bring christianity to Africans? You must be told about Jesus by someone before you know about him that is the fact.

Because you typed none sense and called it a fact does not make it one . Again you are making suppositions outta your hardened mind . Deal with it ,those people's experiences have disproven your weak claims

wow. KingEbukasBlog ive missed out on the party.

dalaman:


. Can you provide the study that shows that most drunks and scums of any society are atheist? We can begin with Nigeria, since we both know the country and its people very well.

Its simple, walk up to a sample of 10 thugs, scums and drunks and attempt to preach Jesus to them. Give us a feedback on their reactions.

I once met a church usher and friend at a bar and tried to preach to him. His reply: Guy free me, shey you wan dey preach for me ni.

I was at a funeral on friday and a colleague was reminiscing about his mum's funeral, he boasted of how he bought drinks for all his friends that attended and how his brother refused to buy for his friends because he was born again. I asked him why he isnt born again and he gave me an uninteresting look. Now this is a regular drunk, church-goer (probably to socialize, get girls), dosent care much about God, from a christian home. Ill leave dalaman to decide what description best fits my colleagues. Christian or atheist.

You see most atheists like to make themselves feel better by believing that nigeria is a religious country when it is clearly a superstitous and hypocritic country. USA and U.K were built by christian founders on christian principles, we both know where they are today.

Let me quickly speak for the 45% christians in Nigeria. Most of them believe in superstitions like ghost apparitions, whistling snake invites, pregnant women pounding yam, rain makers and many others and they try so much to mix this with christianity. About 90%+ of Male Nigerian youths ("christians" believe its right to have sex frequently before marriage. About the same percentage of females are not virgins anymore. And these are the people we call christians, you can walk up to a handful of them and listen to their unrepentant defences. And we keep screaming "Religious country". Lets keep deceiving ourselves shall we.

dalaman:

all the criminals that have destroyed the country and have refused to allow it grow are theist, all the fraudsters in Nigeria are theist, .

You cant Love you Neighbour like yourself as Jesus commanded and embezzle in billions knowing fully well that lives will be lost as a result. Love is what Jesus preached, those criminals are atheists in profession, but keep professing lip-theism to gain public acceptance. They really dont care about God and man. Its all about their self. The same "self" you keep encouraging us to worship.

dalaman:


Boko Haram are all theist(in fact in Nigeria we have had so many countless religious crisis that has killed many people),

Mostly islamic if not totally islamic.
News; If theists("christians" and non christians) quadruple the numbers of lives lost in history to religious crimes, that number will still pale in comparison to lives lost in history to atheism.
Before you go Adolf Hitler on me, let me quickly give you two of his quotes.

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges, the pox and christianity"- Table talks, October 19th, 1941.

December 13th of the same year, he said "When all is said and done, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease."

Turns out, just like you, the drunks, scums and the criminals in government you mentioned, Hitler also had the chance to embrace sanity but instead choose to be his own god.

dalaman:

all the prostitutes in Nigeria are all theist,

A profession contrary to the message of Christ is not christian-like. It is more associated with hypocrites, atheism, self-worship and disregard for God and ones body (the temple of God).

dalaman:

in fact over 97 percent of the people living in Nigeria are theist.

I speak for 45% christians

dalaman:


The corrupt leaders that have refused to allow the country move forward are all theist.

The same People who engage in cultism, idolatry, adultery, violence, demonic pacts, embezzlement, organized robbery and disregard for God and human lives ba?

Anything to make you feel better man .

dalaman:

Name any society that has a sizable atheist and theist population where majority of the drunks and scalawags are atheist.

Name any that has majority of its drunks and scums as theists, give substantial citations and try not to go seek lies from atheist websites.

dalaman:

If people can know about Jesus through revelation then why did Jesus tell people to go and preach to the world? Why didn't he reveal himself to every body? Why does it have to take the slave masters to bring christianity to Africans? You must be told about Jesus by someone before you know about him that is the fact.

Been a while man, its good to see that you are still disturbed by the Name of Jesus. Yeah, thats the conscience trying not to die. You will come to Know God eventually. Amen.

KingEbukasBlog:


.... Who is this one ? Can you provide evidence ?

Let me show you how you dont make any sense .

[size=25pt]America's president is Jonathan Guntam and not Obama . The blacks around the world are being deceived to accept that an African American rules the United States but its false . This is a plan by a major white intellectual group in the US and this has been kept secret for years now .. The real name of the black man who is being presented as the US President is Jordan McFerrlin - a Swedish spy of African descent .

The black nation has to rise against this deception and say no or forever remain in darkness - subdued always by the white man .[/size]

no be only you sabi talk none sense

Seriously, this has got to be the funniest reply ive read on nairaland

Delusion is real!

Seriously I am really disappointed and by your disingenuity.

KingEbukasBlog:


Seriously ? Australia , North Korea , Netherlands and Sweden are atheistic countries ... right ? And there are crimes in the aforementioned countries ... right ?

There are crimes in every country. The crime rate in Sweden, Australia and Netherlands put together is nothing compared to that of Nigeria which remains one of the most religious country in the world with one of the highest number of theist. The annual homicide rate in these 3 countries put together is less that that of Lagos as a state. You made a very silly claim and I asked you a specific question and you ran away from it. Name any country that has a sizeable christian and atheist population that has the scum and scalawags as atheists. You can't name any because you are simply lying.

According to BBC , Sweden's rape cases are on the spotlight . Sweden is described as the rape capital of the West . Australia , a self-acclaimed atheistic country was also described as the kidnapping capital in the World .

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

The very link you posted gave you up. Yo clearly did not read it because the issue isn't as you are trying to portray it because it involves a lot of technicalities. Take Australia for example(Which has a far less kidnapping rate than Nigeria which happens to be one of the most theistic country in the world). It's kidnapping data includes parents who fight for custody of their children. From the report it says:

"Official figures from the United Nations show that there were 17 kidnaps per 100,000 people in Australia in 2010 and 12.7 in Canada.
That compares with only 0.6 in Colombia and 1.1 in Mexico.
So why haven't we heard any of these horror stories? Are people being grabbed off the street in Sydney and Toronto, while the world turns a blind eye?
No, the high numbers of kidnapping cases in these two countries are explained by the fact that parental disputes over child custody are included in the figures.
If one parent takes a child for the weekend, and the other parent objects and calls the police, the incident will be recorded as a kidnapping, according to Enrico Bisogno, a statistician with the United Nations"

So you can clearly see that a simple family dispute over custody of children which does not count in other countries as a case of kidnapping is being included in Australia and classified as kidnapping.

The same applies for the rape cases in Sweden. From the report it says that:

"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."

So, there you have it, it is the methodology by which rape cases are recorded in Sweden which differs completely with how it is done in other countries that makes their own rape cases seem higher not that their rape cases are actually higher in real life.

Because you typed none sense and called it a fact does not make it one . Again you are making suppositions outta your hardened mind . Deal with it ,those people's experiences have disproven your weak claims

Who are these people? People that already live in societies where christians already exist, right? Can you mention anybody living in a place like say Thailand which has a less than 1 percent christian population knowing about Jesus through revelation? Don't come and start telling me about ex muslims and Buddhist living in western societies. Name one indiviual who lives in a society where there are no christians like Thailand who has never been in contact with christians that got the revelation of Jesus any where.

winner01:
wow. KingEbukasBlog ive missed out on the party. Its simple, walk up to a sample of 10 thugs, scums and drunks and attempt to preach Jesus to them. Give us a feedback on their reactions.

What exactly about Jesus is it that has changed the world? You guys keep acting as if those that believe in Jesus are any better that those that do not. How has the belief in Jesus changed Nigeria or any country for the better? Are christians more moral than Non christians? Cite one studey that show that to be true or shut up. There is no such study any where in the world that says christians are better human beings than non christians anywhere, lets just get that clear. Jesus and the tales about him has never made any society better at any time in history.

I once met a church usher and friend at a bar and tried to preach to him. His reply: Guy free me, shey you wan dey preach for me ni.

I was at a funeral on friday and a colleague was reminiscing about his mum's funeral, he boasted of how he bought drinks for all his friends that attended and how his brother refused to buy for his friends because he was born again. I asked him why he isnt born again and he gave me an uninteresting look. Now this is a regular drunk, church-goer (probably to socialize, get girls), dosent care much about God, from a christian home. Ill leave dalaman to decide what description best fits my colleagues. Christian or atheist.

You see most atheists like to make themselves feel better by believing that nigeria is a religious country when it is clearly a superstitous and hypocritic country. USA and U.K were built by christian founders on christian principles, we both know where they are today.

What is it with you and alcohol? According to the bible Jesus himself drank alcohol so why are you haranguing those that drink? How exactly has being born again change the world? I am putting it to you that there are many atheist, muslims, hindus etc that are far better human being than you so that the hell are you saying about being born again, as if being born again means anything. Being born again only means that you subscribe to some religious bubble and it;s dictates, it doesn't make you a better human being than others at all. I am a Nigerian, I know a lot of the born again people and it doesn't make them better human beings than anybody. You are not a better human being than me because you are born again. Christian are not morally upright than non christians, that is a fact. Show us one study that says christians are better human beings than non christians or shut up. Christianity is also a superstitious religion.

As for America it was never founded on christian principles. America was founded by people that pretended to be christians in public but after they died we now know that they were not christians through the private letters they shared. Most of them were deist. America was founded on the principle of separation of church and state, freedom of speech and expression, capitalism, slavery, with a crazy and wild gun culture. These are what the US was founded on. The word God does not appear in the US constitution or bill of right.

winner01:


Let me quickly speak for the 45% christians in Nigeria. Most of them believe in superstitions like ghost apparitions, whistling snake invites, pregnant women pounding yam, rain makers and many others and they try so much to mix this with christianity. About 90%+ of Male Nigerian youths ("christians" believe its right to have sex frequently before marriage. About the same percentage of females are not virgins anymore. And these are the people we call christians, you can walk up to a handful of them and listen to their unrepentant defences. And we keep screaming "Religious country". Lets keep deceiving ourselves shall we.

You believe in superstitions like the virgin birth, Jonah living inside a fish for 3 days, Satan, demons, etc and you are pointing fingers at others? How laughable. Christianity is superstition in itself that is why such practices are easily assimilated into it. Consensual sex between two matured adults who love and care for each other and are willing to marry before marriage is not bad, in fact it is good because they will know if you are sexually compatible. Christianity alone has never moved any nation forward. Christains that abide by everything written insde the bible have never been shown to be better human beings that those that do not, I repeat , there are many atheist, muslims, hindus etc that are far better human beings that you in every way, and you claim to be a born again christaian, so what exactly are you on about?

You cant Love you Neighbour like yourself as Jesus commanded and embezzle in billions knowing fully well that lives will be lost as a result. Love is what Jesus preached, those criminals are atheists in profession, but keep professing lip-theism to gain public acceptance. They really dont care about God and man. Its all about their self. The same "self" you keep encouraging us to worship.

Jesus was not the only person that preached love and he will not be the only person. Loving your neighbor and doing right by them has been preached by others long before the stories about Jesus were written. Jesus did not only preach love, his messages were mixed, in one place he said love your neighbors, in another place he said forget about the poor cos you will always have them, in another place he said , if you don't believe me and follow what I am saying you will burn in fire. Tough love.

Mostly islamic if not totally islamic.
News; If theists("christians" and non christians) quadruple the numbers of lives lost in history to religious crimes, that number will still pale in comparison to lives lost in history to atheism.
Before you go Adolf Hitler on me, let me quickly give you two of his quotes.

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges, the pox and christianity"- Table talks, October 19th, 1941.

December 13th of the same year, he said "When all is said and done, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease."

During the time of Hitler, 95 percent of Germans were christians. They carried out all the atrocities. Hitler himself never killed anybody with his own hands, it was his followers who were 95 percent christians that carried out all the atrocities.

Turns out, just like you, the drunks, scums and the criminals in government you mentioned, Hitler also had the chance to embrace sanity but instead choose to be his own god.

You are not a better human being than me because you happen to be indoctrinated with some ancient Jewish and Roman, fiction and mythologies. I am putting it to you. Hitler was his own God, but you on the other hand are worshiping a God idea others invented and passed down unto you through systematic indoctrination.

A profession contrary to the message of Christ is not christian-like. It is more associated with hypocrites, atheism, self-worship and disregard for God and ones body (the temple of God).

I speak for 45% christians

And Christlike has made christians better human beings than others, how? Name any study that shows that christians are better human beings than non christians or shut up.

The same People who engage in cultism, idolatry, adultery, violence, demonic pacts, embezzlement, organized robbery and disregard for God and human lives ba?

But they are theist, aren't they?

Name any that has majority of its drunks and scums as theists, give substantial citations and try not to go seek lies from atheist websites.

I have named one, Nigeria.

Been a while man, its good to see that you are still disturbed by the Name of Jesus. Yeah, thats the conscience trying not to die. You will come to Know God eventually. Amen.

This is the same thrash you use to delude yourself into believing that any body that calls out your delusions is disturbed. Why should I be disturbed about a myth? The name of Jesus is no different than the name of Mohammed or Buddha. They are all legends which a religion was born out of their names and alleged deeds nothing more. The name of Jesus can never do anything on it's own. It is believers like you that use the name to do everything. If you all stopped believing in Jesus today in 500 years time, the name of Jesus will be in the same level with the name of Rah Amun or Zeus for example, names of Gods that used to be very powerful until people stopped believing in them over time.

winner01:

Seriously, this has got to be the funniest reply ive read on nairaland

lmao ... no mind the lady ... them think say na only dem sabi talk none sense

winner01:
wow. KingEbukasBlog ive missed out on the party. Its simple, walk up to a sample of 10 thugs, scums and drunks and attempt to preach Jesus to them. Give us a feedback on their reactions.

Sure bro .... A big one !!

I gave Dalaman a simple pragmatic approach to ascertain the religious affiliation of scums , scallywags and drunks of the Nigerian society . They abuse you when they you try preaching to Christ . They are atheists ... but Dalaman should try it

I'll get back to Dalaman , when I come back from lectures

dalaman:


You believe in superstitions like the virgin birth, Jonah living inside a fish for 3 days, Satan, demons, etc and you are pointing fingers at others? How laughable. Christianity is superstition in itself that is why such practices are easily assimilated into it. Consensual sex between two matured adults who love and care for each other and are willing to have sex before marriage is not bad, in fact it is good because they will know if you are sexually compatible. Christianity alone has never moved any nation forward. Christains that abide by everything written insde the bible have never been shown to be better human beings that those that do not, I repeat , there are many atheist, muslims, hindus etc that are far better human beings that you in every way, and you claim to be a born again christaian, so what exactly are you on about?

You know why you are different? cos you know how to modify your own version of stupidity. The normal line used to be "consensual sex between two matured adults is not bad" .. Nice addition though, It makes you a an inch above stupidity. Just as contemporary atheism is defined as the disbelief in God until proof is provided. Christianity has been and will always be the cure to insanity and immorality over the years and for years to come. It has always been the tame of wild hearts. No book on human philosophy even moves close to the scriptures. Newton knew this when he said; “We account the scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy. I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever.”

dalaman:

Jesus was not the only person that preached love and he will not be the only person. Loving your neighbor and doing right by them has been preached by others long before the stories about Jesus were written. Jesus did not only preach love, his messages were mixed, in one place he said love your neighbors, in another place he said forget about the poor cos you will always have them, in another place he said , if you don't believe me and follow what I am saying you will burn in fire. Tough love.

Well, I speak for Christians. Give names of people that preached the kind of love that Jesus preached before Jesus. Dont just make assumptions. He said forget the poor or you said?.

Follow my teachings or face the consequences of your actions. Pretty much the same thing that happens all around you. Its the system. You fail to prepare, you prepare to fail. Its the system.

dalaman:

During the time of Hitler, 95 percent of Germans were christians. They carried out all the atrocities. Hitler himself never killed anybody with his own hands, it was his followers who were 95 percent christians that carried out all the atrocities.

Yeah, just like 45 percent of Nigerians are "christians". I guess if you become a more badass that hitler, your atheist brothers will insist that you were born a christian irrespective of your worldviews. Ive given you a hint on the motivation of hitlers actions, his follower probably had the same evil motivations, and it only proves one thing. Just like you, they rejected sanity.

dalaman:

You are not a better human being than me because you happen to be indoctrinated with some ancient Jewish and Roman, fiction and mythologies. I am putting it to you. Hitler was his own God, but you on the other hand are worshiping a God idea others invented and passed down unto you through systematic indoctrination.
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I didnt claim to be a better human being than you, why the confrontation? Relax man. I was not indoctrinated, i only found out the truth. I still wonder why you dont see marriage as an indoctrination. You are just a higher animal c'mon, why stick to a female?

Hitler was his God and we can see how he ruled his life, I on the other hand worship the God of all, Your God, My God.
Either way, i would have sought to know the truth. Trust me, Im a more serious skeptic than you are.

dalaman:

And Christlike has made christians better human beings than others, how? Name any study that shows that christians are better human beings than non christians or shut up.
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Yeah it has. I dont need to name studies. Do your research. Walk up to 10 thugs, prostitutes, robbers and other scums and attempt to preach Jesus to them. Dont let their christian names fool you though.

dalaman:

But they are theist, aren't they?.

Even someone like you who have proved to be starkly ignorant of the basics will claim to be ex-christian. Well, I cant speak on the motivation of the muslim majority in governance, but for the "christians", love should be the motivation. You cant claim to be good and act otherwise, same goes for claiming to be a christian or atheist, you got to act it.
Not really about what you say, its how you act. Aunt Lepasharon will understand what im saying better, she must have had dealings with male liars.
Ever heard the saying; "action speaks louder............"

dalaman:


I have named one, Nigeria.

You obviously missed where i requested for substantial citations, dont just wave hands man.

dalaman:

This is the same thrash you use to delude yourself into believing that any body that calls out your delusions is disturbed. Why should I be disturbed about a myth? The name of Jesus is no different than the name of Mohammed or Buddha. They are all legends which a religion was born out of their names and alleged deeds nothing more. The name of Jesus can never do anything on it's own. It is believers like you that use the name to do everything. If you all stopped believing in Jesus today in 500 years time, the name of Jesus will be in the same level with the name of Rah Amun or Zeus for example, names of Gods that used to be very powerful until people stopped believing in them over time.

Sorry for your pain, it will stay for a longer time. lol.
You are disturbed, its why you cant do without threads on Jesus and christianity. I might open a thread on santa soon and then observe your level of commitment to that thread. We wont all stop believing in Jesus, we wont all throw away our lamp, our guide, We wont turn to insanity. Infact, As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, Forever. I hope you dont wander too far before you can retrace your steps. God bless you.

dalaman:


What exactly about Jesus is it that has changed the world? You guys keep acting as if those that believe in Jesus are any better that those that do not. How has the belief in Jesus changed Nigeria or any country for the better? Are christians more moral than Non christians? Cite one studey that show that to be true or shut up. There is no such study any where in the world that says christians are better human beings than non christians anywhere, lets just get that clear. Jesus and the tales about him has never made any society better at any time in history.

Well, Ill say everything. Jesus has always been to cure to man's wickedness. I still cant fathom what it is about that Name. So much Power. It seems like a "bulwark against something worse" just like Richard Dawkins pointed out.
I wont give citations, you seem to be a tricky fellow, you request for evidences and fail to provide evidences for the hands you wave.

dalaman:

What is it with you and alcohol? According to the bible Jesus himself drank alcohol so why are you haranguing those that drink? How exactly has being born again change the world? I am putting it to you that there are many atheist, muslims, hindus etc that are far better human being than you so that the hell are you saying about being born again, as if being born again means anything. Being born again only means that you subscribe to some religious bubble and it;s dictates, it doesn't make you a better human being than others at all. I am a Nigerian, I know a lot of the born again people and it doesn't make them better human beings than anybody. You are not a better human being than me because you are born again. Christian are not morally upright than non christians, that is a fact. Show us one study that says christians are better human beings than non christians or shut up. Christianity is also a superstitious religion.

Jesus drank alcohol?, well, show me scriptures. And dont give me scriptures on wine.
You are not putting it to me, you are waving hands and making unfounded claims unintelligently.

Oh You know a lot of born again, give us proof of this bullshet.

dalaman:


As for America it was never founded on christian principles. America was founded by people that pretended to be christians in public but after they died we now know that they were not christians through the private letters they shared. Most of them were deist. America was founded on the principle of separation of church and state, freedom of speech and expression, capitalism, slavery, with a crazy and wild gun culture. These are what the US was founded on. The word God does not appear in the US constitution or bill of right.

Yawns, die first and see people say stuff about you. You've been fed with crap.

I have an article for you. You may find it useful; http://www.christianpost.com/news/god-and-the-constitution-129658/

lepasharon:
Delusion is real!

Yeah, cos you said it.

KingEbukasBlog:
I'll get back to Dalaman , when I come back from lectures

Nothing do you bro. Just take all the time you need. You are doing him a great deal of help by giving him attention.

KingEbukasBlog:


lmao ... no mind the lady ... them think say na only dem sabi talk none sense

lol

KingEbukasBlog:


Sure bro .... A big one !!

I gave Dalaman a simple pragmatic approach to ascertain the religious affiliation of scums , scallywags and drunks of the Nigerian society . They abuse you when they you try preaching to Christ . They are atheists ... but Dalaman should try it

I doubt he would. he might be shocked at what he finds out.

winner01:
Well, Ill say everything. Jesus has always been to cure to man's wickedness. I still cant fathom what it is about that Name. So much Power. It seems like a "bulwark against something worse" just like Richard Dawkins pointed out.
I wont give citations, you seem to be a tricky fellow, you request for evidences and fail to provide evidences for the hands you wave.

The bible says you do not know what you are saying. according to the bible, Jesus who also doubles as God encouraged all sort of wickedness.

He encouraged people to enslave each other including selling their daughters into slavery, kill unmarried people that have premarital sex by stoning them to death, kill gays by stoning them to death, kill your disobedient children by stoning them to death, kill those that follow other Gods, sexism, mass murder and genocide etc. Christians will always claim throw the evil parts and act as if the bible is all about the love your neighbor as you love yourself when we know it is not true, in some parts it even tells believers not to have anything to do with unbelievers, because there is nothing that light has to do with darkness it says, by extension if your neighbor is an unbeliever you can't love him. What power does the name of Jesus have apart from the belief that you attach to it? There is power in the name of Allah too. Repeating religious mantra has nothing to do with reality. The bible is not all about the feel God love that you guys love portrying, many parts of it will always embarrass you. Try 1/10th of the injunctions your God(Jesus) commanded in the OT and you will be in prison or be killed if you live in a society that believes in capital punishment.

Just show me any statistics that claims christains are more moral and better humans beings or shut up. The reality is non exist because non can exist, christians are not better human beings or morally better than non christians so your hypothesis about Jesus making people better human beings is a lie, since we have Jesus who doubles as God issuing very hateful and evil edicts in the bible.

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

Jesus drank alcohol?, well, show me scriptures. And dont give me scriptures on wine.

Is wine not an alcoholic drink? During the time of Jesus wine was the only alcoholic drink, beer and other alcoholic drinks like Gin and Whisky were not yet invented. The only alcoholic drink available was wine.

33"For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, 'He has a demon!' 34"The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35"Yet wisdom is vindicated by all her children.". Luke 7:34

The verse is very clear. Jesus dined and wined and the people called him a drunk and a glutton, he befriended tax collectors and sinners and the people called him out on it. I am not saying he was a drunk, but the passage clearly states that he drank and because he did the people called him a drunk.

You are not putting it to me, you are waving hands and making unfounded claims unintelligently.

Yes, I am putting it to you, I am not making unfounded claims, I am telling you the reality, there are many atheist, muslims, Hindus, Buddhist , Taoist etc who are far better human beings than you are, that is a matter of fact, so, I really di not know what this Jesus claim of yours about being a good person is all about, many people that do not believe in Jesus are much better human beings than you so what exactly are you on about?

Oh You know a lot of born again, give us proof of this bullshet.

Of course I do, my friends, colleagues and some family members all are born again christians like you, but they are not steller human beings(including you). There is nothing different in your lives compared to that of others. If being born again makes any difference then Nigeria will be the best country on earth because Nigeria is the country that has the highest number of born again people that I know next to Ghana(I have lived there also). I was raised partly in a deeper life church, so , i know what the born again brouhaha is alll about.

Yawns, die first and see people say stuff about you. You've been fed with crap.

I have an article for you. You may find it useful; http://www.christianpost.com/news/god-and-the-constitution-129658/

I said the USA was not founded on any christian principle, and all you can do is give me a link to a rant about how the year of our lord means God is in the constitution? So what if the year of our lord appears, some of the founding father were deist, so they could be referring to their deist God and not the christian God. But one thing for sure is that the USA was not founded on any christian principle. The US was founded on the principle of:

-separation of church and state
-freedom of speech and association(their fist amendment)
-wild gun culture which is their second amendment and runs very contrary to the turn your other cheek pacifist teaching of Jesus.
-slavery and land grab
-secularism which makes sure that the state should not promote one religion ahead of another

These are the principles that the US was founded on. Name the christian principles that the US was founded on or stop making that ridiculous claim.

winner01:
You know why you are different? cos you know how to modify your own version of stupidity. The normal line used to be "consensual sex between two matured adults is not bad" .. Nice addition though, It makes you a an inch above stupidity. Just as contemporary atheism is defined as the disbelief in God until proof is provided. Christianity has been and will always be the cure to insanity and immorality over the years and for years to come. It has always been the tame of wild hearts. No book on human philosophy even moves close to the scriptures. Newton knew this when he said; “We account the scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy. I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever.”

Premarital sex between two adult lovers is not wrong. You want me to draw my moral philosophy from a book written by barbaric men who say that those that have premarital sex should be stoned to death? You must be crazy. Having premarital sex is not wrong, stoning people to death for having premarital sex as your God said people should do is what is wrong. How can such a book that promotes such barbarity as stoning people to death for premarital sex be used to cure immorality when the book itself promotes barbarity? The bible has not and can not be used to cure immorality that is why you can not provide any statistics any where that shows that christians are less immoral than non christians.

Well, I speak for Christians. Give names of people that preached the kind of love that Jesus preached before Jesus. Dont just make assumptions. He said forget the poor or you said?.

Which love? is Jesus not God? More than half the bible is about kill, hate, destroy, and God(Jesus) throwing different anger tantrums at different people for ignoring him or refusing to obey him. He even kills children according to the bible if their parents disobey him, so where is the love?

Follow my teachings or face the consequences of your actions. Pretty much the same thing that happens all around you. Its the system. You fail to prepare, you prepare to fail. Its the system.

Disbelief is not a crime around me.

Yeah, just like 45 percent of Nigerians are "christians". I guess if you become a more badass that hitler, your atheist brothers will insist that you were born a christian irrespective of your worldviews. Ive given you a hint on the motivation of hitlers actions, his follower probably had the same evil motivations, and it only proves one thing. Just like you, they rejected sanity.

Hitler himself never killed anybody, the people around him did and they were all theist. The christians in Nigeria remain christians, it doesn;t matter what you say, as long as they say they are christians they are. You are not the gate keeper of christianity or the one who determines who are christian as, as long as they say they are christians , then they are, your opinion of them does not matter. What matters is what they say they are.

I didnt claim to be a better human being than you, why the confrontation? Relax man. I was not indoctrinated, i only found out the truth. I still wonder why you dont see marriage as an indoctrination. You are just a higher animal c'mon, why stick to a female?

You found the truth just the way a muslim found the truth because both of you were born and indoctrinated into man made religions that you were told were the only truth. If you were born to a Hindu family in India you would have been a Hindu, if you were born into a northern Hausa muslim family from Kano, you would have been telling us how there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger, you are only a christian because yo were born into the religion and systematically thought how to reason and think along the christian line right from childhood. Your surrounding culture and people around you always strengthen your beliefs with their general acceptance of the religion and the psychological reinforcement makes you feel you are on the right path because it has been drummed into your ears. All these are psychological.

Hitler was his God and we can see how he ruled his life, I on the other hand worship the God of all, Your God, My God.
Either way, i would have sought to know the truth. Trust me, Im a more serious skeptic than you are.

Hitler was his own God, your own God is the made up ideas of other people.

Yeah it has. I dont need to name studies. Do your research. Walk up to 10 thugs, prostitutes, robbers and other scums and attempt to preach Jesus to them. Dont let their christian names fool you though.

You can do same to them, but preach Allah and Mohammed to them, you can come back and tell me what happened.

Even someone like you who have proved to be starkly ignorant of the basics will claim to be ex-christian. Well, I cant speak on the motivation of the muslim majority in governance, but for the "christians", love should be the motivation. You cant claim to be good and act otherwise, same goes for claiming to be a christian or atheist, you got to act it.

How do christians act? Is GEJ not a christain? What about OBJ and the christian governors? Some of them were pastors but we all saw what they did. Even the pastors among them were not different from the non christians in stealing and ruining their states.

Sorry for your pain, it will stay for a longer time. lol.
You are disturbed, its why you cant do without threads on Jesus and christianity. I might open a thread on santa soon and then observe your level of commitment to that thread. We wont all stop believing in Jesus, we wont all throw away our lamp, our guide, We wont turn to insanity. Infact, As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, Forever. I hope you dont wander too far before you can retrace your steps. God bless you.

People do not believe in Santa to the extent that they want others to live their lives according to the dictates of santa.

dalaman:


Premarital sex between two adult lovers is not wrong. You want me to draw my moral philosophy from a book written by barbaric men who say that those that have premarital sex should be stoned to death? You must be crazy. Having premarital sex is not wrong, stoning people to death for having premarital sex as your God said people should do is what is wrong. How can such a book that promotes such barbarity as stoning people to death for premarital sex be used to cure immorality when the book itself promotes barbarity? The bible has not and can not be used to cure immorality that is why you can not provide any statistics any where that shows that christians are less immoral than non christians.

Keep moving in inches within the stupidity region, i see you've changed "consenting adults", which used to be the normal line to "adult lovers".. You have no moral philosophy except the one you have learnt from christianity. When your desperation to disprove the Bible as the word of God ceases, then you will start seeing the Bible for what it is. The Bible gives an historical account of the Israelites and their relationship with God. It does not promote violence, it gives record of history and is the only Book that stands in the face of immorality and insanity.
The day you start to provide evidence for the unintelligent claims you make, is the day ill start to think about taking you serious.

dalaman:

Which love? is Jesus not God? More than half the bible is about kill, hate, destroy, and God(Jesus) throwing different anger tantrums at different people for ignoring him or refusing to obey him. He even kills children according to the bible if their parents disobey him, so where is the love?

Don't be filled with so much hate for God, what really happened to you?.
God is love, Jesus is the Son of God (God in the flesh). And Jesus gave only one commandment; Love.

dalaman:

Disbelief is not a crime around me.

"But modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges because you are accountable to God" is a crime to you to an extent that you need people to disbelieve in God with you. Great.

dalaman:

Hitler himself never killed anybody, the people around him did and they were all theist. The christians in Nigeria remain christians, it doesn;t matter what you say, as long as they say they are christians they are. You are not the gate keeper of christianity or the one who determines who are christian as, as long as they say they are christians , then they are, your opinion of them does not matter. What matters is what they say they are.

Yeah Hitler was a good man, tell me more. Abacha was also a good man. Their followers who shared their dangerous ideaologies were also good men. You are sounding more stup!d. So you ara saying that "what you say is what matters and not what you do".
So you mean one can claim to be an atheist and be close to God, and preach the gospel every day of his life for the rest of his life??
So you mean one can claim to be a musician without ever singing a song.
So you mean girl can claim to be a boy and it wont matter simply because she has said it.
Hell I can even claim to be the president of Nigeria then.

No wonder nairaland atheists claim to be scientists simply because they copy from science websites and post on nairaland, thats the logic right?

The "Christians" in Nigeria are not christians until they start to strive to reflect the life of Christ in them (which is the main essence of christianity). Until then, we have majority of atheists in profession in a terribly superstitous and hypocritic Nation.

dalaman:

You found the truth just the way a muslim found the truth because both of you were born and indoctrinated into man made religions that you were told were the only truth. If you were born to a Hindu family in India you would have been a Hindu, if you were born into a northern Hausa muslim family from Kano, you would have been telling us how there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger, you are only a christian because yo were born into the religion and systematically thought how to reason and think along the christian line right from childhood. Your surrounding culture and people around you always strengthen your beliefs with their general acceptance of the religion and the psychological reinforcement makes you feel you are on the right path because it has been drummed into your ears. All these are psychological.

And i will keep telling you. If i was born into a poor family, ill strive to get rich. If i was born into a family of illiterates, ill strive to get educated. Ill be as foolish and confused as you are not to believe in both poverty and riches.

dalaman:

Hitler was his own God, your own God is the made up ideas of other people.

Yeah right, keep waving your hands. Its the only thing you're good for

dalaman:

You can do same to them, but preach Allah and Mohammed to them, you can come back and tell me what happened.

Firstly, allah never proclaims his love for unbelievers anywhere in the quran. allah does not command his followers to preach to disbelievers, you have to be born into islam to be loved by allah. It is totally different from "love your enemies'.

secondly, Im not the one confused about the worldview of rejects, you are. So go do your research. They are at best atheists.

dalaman:

How do christians act? Is GEJ not a christain? What about OBJ and the christian governors? Some of them were pastors but we all saw what they did. Even the pastors among them were not different from the non christians in stealing and ruining their states.

A christian that was unrepentant in reasserting severally that "stealing is not corruption" contrary to what Jesus preached in Matt 6:19, Matt 15:19, John 10:10. Or Obj that is a certified cultist and stole billions in proxy. What exactly are you talking about?

Will you compare them with;
President George Washington, First President of the United States who said:
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”

or Abraham Lincoln who said;
“I am busily engaged in the study of the Bible. I believe it is God’s word because it finds me where I am.”
“I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good of the Savior of the world is communicated to us through the Book.”
“Take all that you can of this book upon reason, and the balance on faith, and you will live and die a happier man. It is the best Book which God has given to man(When a skeptic expressed surprise to see him reading a Bible)”
“But for this book we could not know right from wrong.”

or Woodrow Wilson who said;
“When you have read the Bible, you know it is the word of God, because it is the key to your heart, your own happiness, and your own duty.”

or Martin Luther who said;
"For some years now I have read through the Bible twice every year. If you picture the Bible to be a mighty tree and every word a little branch, I have shaken every one of these branches because I wanted to know what it was and what it meant".

or Theodore Roosevelt;
“A thorough understanding of the Bible is better than a college education. Almost every man who has by his lifework added to the sum of human achievement has based his lifework largely upon the teachings of the Bible".
"It is necessary for the welfare of the nation that men's lives be based on the principles of the BIBLE. No man, educated or uneducated, can afford to be ignorant of
the BIBLE"
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society"


Keep deceiving yourself for as long as it makes you happy. celebrate thieves, cultists, murderers, and people who dont care about God or their fellow compatriots. You are no different from them.

dalaman:

People do not believe in Santa to the extent that they want others to live their lives according to the dictates of santa.

People who believe in God do not force others to live according to the principles of His kingdom, but in love and compassion they do not want them in eternal damnation. They want the best for them, a mandate given by God.

You on the other hand are disturbed and depressed and filled with hatred for your Maker to an extent that you need more people souls on your side. You will stop at nothing in this state that is why you are up against God and christianity everyday of your life.
I understand you also have a demonic mandate even though you will deny it probably because you want to remain unaware of such mandate.
Its like denying that you will fail if you do not prepare for success, its like denying that you will be hungry if you dont eat. Its like denying the system you have been created into.

dalaman:


The bible says you do not know what you are saying. according to the bible, Jesus who also doubles as God encouraged all sort of wickedness.

He encouraged people to enslave each other including selling their daughters into slavery, kill unmarried people that have premarital sex by stoning them to death, kill gays by stoning them to death, kill your disobedient children by stoning them to death, kill those that follow other Gods, sexism, mass murder and genocide etc. Christians will always claim throw the evil parts and act as if the bible is all about the love your neighbor as you love yourself when we know it is not true, in some parts it even tells believers not to have anything to do with unbelievers, because there is nothing that light has to do with darkness it says, by extension if your neighbor is an unbeliever you can't love him. What power does the name of Jesus have apart from the belief that you attach to it? There is power in the name of Allah too. Repeating religious mantra has nothing to do with reality. The bible is not all about the feel God love that you guys love portrying, many parts of it will always embarrass you. Try 1/10th of the injunctions your God(Jesus) commanded in the OT and you will be in prison or be killed if you live in a society that believes in capital punishment.

All your rants prove the sort of hatred you live in.
The only proof you have that God is unjust is your desperation. There were governmental laws given by moses and the Bible records it. Your desperation is your headache.
When did Jesus ask believers not to have anything to do with unbelievers, or does light and darkness mean christians and non christians to you. You really were indoctrinated. Your parents force fed you the principles of christianity, its why you dont know the basics, its why you are hurting. Every thing Jesus condemned was the "evil' and not the people.

dalaman:

Just show me any statistics that claims christains are more moral and better humans beings or shut up. The reality is non exist because non can exist, christians are not better human beings or morally better than non christians so your hypothesis about Jesus making people better human beings is a lie, since we have Jesus who doubles as God issuing very hateful and evil edicts in the bible.

I wont show you anything. Walk up to 10 thugs or prostitutes yourself and preach Jesus to them and notice their reactions. To further discover how much of an atheist they are, preach self-worship, unaccountability, wordly enjoyment and the inexistence of God to them and notice their positive reactions.
Jesus issuing hateful verdicts? .
You are really a sad and pained fellow.

dalaman:


If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

I wont discuss this with you cos this is not the first time you will make such references. But the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death. christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us.

dalaman:

Is wine not an alcoholic drink? During the time of Jesus wine was the only alcoholic drink, beer and other alcoholic drinks like Gin and Whisky were not yet invented. The only alcoholic drink available was wine.

33"For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, 'He has a demon!' 34"The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35"Yet wisdom is vindicated by all her children.". Luke 7:34

The verse is very clear. Jesus dined and wined and the people called him a drunk and a glutton, he befriended tax collectors and sinners and the people called him out on it. I am not saying he was a drunk, but the passage clearly states that he drank and because he did the people called him a drunk.

Let me post the full verse so people can see how desperate you are;
Luke 7:33–34, Jesus said, “For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’”
Only desperation will make you turn this verse into what it isnt. Jesus was simply comparing John the Baptist’s “drinking no wine” and His own drinking. Jesus said religious leaders accused Him falsely of being a drunkard. Jesus was never a drunkard as you are subtly insinuating and denying at the same time, just like He was never a glutton. He lived a completely sinless life (1 Peter 2:22).
Jesus even warned against drunkeness (Luke 12:45), and do you know the intoxication state i met my colleague before leaping blindly. Be wise please.

dalaman:

Yes, I am putting it to you, I am not making unfounded claims, I am telling you the reality, there are many atheist, muslims, Hindus, Buddhist , Taoist etc who are far better human beings than you are, that is a matter of fact, so, I really di not know what this Jesus claim of yours about being a good person is all about, many people that do not believe in Jesus are much better human beings than you so what exactly are you on about?

It is not a fact simply because you said so. firstly, What do you mean by being better?. secondly, i made no such claim so why are you trying to rope me? Is your conscience disturbing you or something?

dalaman:


Of course I do, my friends, colleagues and some family members all are born again christians like you, but they are not steller human beings(including you). There is nothing different in your lives compared to that of others. If being born again makes any difference then Nigeria will be the best country on earth because Nigeria is the country that has the highest number of born again people that I know next to Ghana(I have lived there also). I was raised partly in a deeper life church, so , i know what the born again brouhaha is alll about.

What do you understand by being born again? Is it what you were forcefed as a kid cos you also claim to be an ex-born again without knowing jack about christianity. You've been an indecisive fellow who can be easily swayed right from the onset so why should anyone take you serious.
Stop deceiving yourself, Nigeria is a superstitous and hypocritic country. When we start following Gods word and not disregard Him and live like atheists, the country will move forward.
You were raised in a deeper life and your leaders fed you stuff as a kid, dont come and cry here.

dalaman:

I said the USA was not founded on any christian principle, and all you can do is give me a link to a rant about how the year of our lord means God is in the constitution? So what if the year of our lord appears, some of the founding father were deist, so they could be referring to their deist God and not the christian God. But one thing for sure is that the USA was not founded on any christian principle. The US was founded on the principle of:

-separation of church and state
-freedom of speech and association(their fist amendment)
-wild gun culture which is their second amendment and runs very contrary to the turn your other cheek pacifist teaching of Jesus.
-slavery and land grab
-secularism which makes sure that the state should not promote one religion ahead of another

These are the principles that the US was founded on. Name the christian principles that the US was founded on or stop making that ridiculous claim.

Ok so now they were deists not pretenders/cultists like you earlier said ?

Dont bother yourself asking any proof from me, you are not to be taken seriously by anyone. Ive made my stand :Usa and uk were built on chistian foundations and principles by christian founders and we know where they are today.

Queen Victoria, the longest ruling monarch of GB gave her opinion, she said;
"That Book, the Bible, accounts for the supremacy of England. England has become great & happy by the knowledge of the true God through Jesus Christ".

You said the christian founders were eventually proven to be pretenders after their deaths, you give proof of that and the many bull you have said or keep quiet forever.

dalaman:
Seriously I am really disappointed and by your disingenuity.



There are crimes in every country. The crime rate in Sweden, Australia and Netherlands put together is nothing compared to that of Nigeria which remains one of the most religious country in the world with one of the highest number of theist. The annual homicide rate in these 3 countries put together is less that that of Lagos as a state. You made a very silly claim and I asked you a specific question and you ran away from it. Name any country that has a sizeable christian and atheist population that has the scum and scalawags as atheists. You can't name any because you are simply lying.

Nigeria is a superstitious country not a religious one . Its common sense . You asked for countries that have sizable christian and atheist population . I gave you atheist countries like Sweden , Australia , Netherlands and North Korea . They have more atheists than Christians . And they have perpetrators of crimes right ? So who carry out these crimes in those atheist countries ? Atheists or Christians ?

Quick reminder : Christians in those countries are very devoted and are often scorned for their very committed Christ-like style . Most missionary works are carried out by these countries in African and Asian countries

The answer to that question can be reasonably deduced .

The very link you posted gave you up. Yo clearly did not read it because the issue isn't as you are trying to portray it because it involves a lot of technicalities. Take Australia for example(Which has a far less kidnapping rate than Nigeria which happens to be one of the most theistic country in the world). It's kidnapping data includes parents who fight for custody of their children. From the report it says:

"Official figures from the United Nations show that there were 17 kidnaps per 100,000 people in Australia in 2010 and 12.7 in Canada.
That compares with only 0.6 in Colombia and 1.1 in Mexico.
So why haven't we heard any of these horror stories? Are people being grabbed off the street in Sydney and Toronto, while the world turns a blind eye?
No, the high numbers of kidnapping cases in these two countries are explained by the fact that parental disputes over child custody are included in the figures.
If one parent takes a child for the weekend, and the other parent objects and calls the police, the incident will be recorded as a kidnapping, according to Enrico Bisogno, a statistician with the United Nations"

So you can clearly see that a simple family dispute over custody of children which does not count in other countries as a case of kidnapping is being included in Australia and classified as kidnapping.

The same applies for the rape cases in Sweden. From the report it says that:

"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."

So, there you have it, it is the methodology by which rape cases are recorded in Sweden which differs completely with how it is done in other countries that makes their own rape cases seem higher not that their rape cases are actually higher in real life.

Swedish police encourages abused women to speak out and they are doing so . And for Australia , family dispute or nothing , the "abduction" of these kids is against the law . An offence against the law is an offence against God . God encourages Christians to obey the authorities

Who are these people? People that already live in societies where christians already exist, right? Can you mention anybody living in a place like say Thailand which has a less than 1 percent christian population knowing about Jesus through revelation? Don't come and start telling me about ex muslims and Buddhist living in western societies. Name one indiviual who lives in a society where there are no christians like Thailand who has never been in contact with christians that got the revelation of Jesus any where.

There have been testimonies of people who never had any knowledge of Jesus and got their revelations . I know of Muhammed and Allah and why dont I get revelations about them ?

Your own sense of reasoning is definitely ludicrous because

1. Sinners who totally reject Jesus have had revelations calling them back to Christ

2. Adherents of other religions testify of Jesus' revelation to them

3. People who have had no knowledge of Jesus testify of His revelation to them

4. Christians who have left Christianity to other Religions do so through

a. Marriage
b. Forced - against their will
c. Curiosity - caused to seek for 'Higher Knowledge'
d. Deception

Have you heard of Christians who leave to other Religions after some revelation ? Why is it ALWAYS the other way round ?

When atheists convert to Christianity , they confess to have started seeing life differently , like its worth something . You can watch different videos online as evidences and tell me what you observed . How did they narrate their experience ? Are they satisfied with what Christianity has brought them?

KingEbukasBlog:


Nigeria is a superstitious country not a religious one . Its common sense . You asked for countries that have sizable christian and atheist population . I gave you atheist countries like Sweden , Australia , Netherlands and North Korea . They have more atheists than Christians . And they have perpetrators of crimes right ? So who carry out these crimes in those atheist countries ? Atheists or Christians?

Quick reminder : Christians in those countries are very devoted and are often scorned for their very committed Christ-like style . Most missionary works are carried out by these countries in African and Asian countries

The answer to that question can be reasonably deduced.

Until you show me a reasonable statistics that shows that more atheist are committing crimes than christians in those countries i will have to conclude that you do not know what you are talking about. Committed and Christlike life style involving missionary work means nothing at all, after all it was the same missionaries that brought the stories of Christ to us that enslaved millions of our ancestors and killed many of them. Reverend fathers that act all Christlike have been shown to be child lovers and engage in sex with them (pedophiles). Christlike means nothing. Being a christian doesn't make you better than a non christian at all. No evidence any where to show that non christians are worse human beings than christians any where.

Swedish police encourages abused women to speak out and they are doing so . And for Australia , family dispute or nothing , the "abduction" of these kids is against the law . An offence against the law is an offence against God . God encourages Christians to obey the authorities

According to the report. It's actually not as if the rape cases in Sweden is higher than that of other places, it is just that they police record it differently, in Sweden they record every incident separately unlike in other countries. If a lady raped in Sweden on 4 different occasions, it will be recorded as 4 different rape incident, while in other countries it is recorded as one incident. Their method of recording which is different is account for the high rate together with the fact that they criminalize other aspect that other countries do not, in Sweden you can rape your wife while in most countries nothing like raping your wife exist. Children abduction is fluid and does not count as kidnapping in most countries. But the bottom line is that no evidence exist to show that christians are better moral human beings than atheist.

There have been testimonies of people who never had any knowledge of Jesus and got their revelations . I know of Muhammed and Allah and why dont I get revelations about them ?

Show me some one from Thailand that had never heard about Jesus that received any revelation from Jesus. Why it is that until the white people came to our shores non of our ancestors ever heard about Jesus through any revelation? Until the whites invaded the Americas,non of the people living there had ever received any revelation about Jesus.

Your own sense of reasoning is definitely ludicrous because

1. Sinners who totally reject Jesus have had revelations calling them back to Christ

2. Adherents of other religions testify of Jesus' revelation to them

3. People who have had no knowledge of Jesus testify of His revelation to them

4. Christians who have left Christianity to other Religions do so through

a. Marriage
b. Forced - against their will
c. Curiosity - caused to seek for 'Higher Knowledge'
d. Deception

Have you heard of Christians who leave to other Religions after some revelation ? Why is it ALWAYS the other way round ?

When atheists convert to Christianity , they confess to have started seeing life differently , like its worth something . You can watch different videos online as evidences and tell me what you observed . How did they narrate their experience ? Are they satisfied with what Christianity has brought them?

I disagree with most of what you have written simply because christianity is the only religion that promotes revelation among its adherents. Ex christians that convert to Islam do not receive revelations from Allah simply because Islam does not promote it.

winner01:
Keep moving in inches within the stupidity region, i see you've changed "consenting adults", which used to be the normal line to "adult lovers".. You have no moral philosophy except the one you have learnt from christianity. When your desperation to disprove the Bible as the word of God ceases, then you will start seeing the Bible for what it is. The Bible gives an historical account of the Israelites and their relationship with God. It does not promote violence, it gives record of history and is the only Book that stands in the face of immorality and insanity.
The day you start to provide evidence for the unintelligent claims you make, is the day ill start to think about taking you serious.

Which moral philosophy has christianity taught me? That I should stone people that have premarital sex to death? Isn't that what you God in the bible teaches? Of course the bible is the word of God, just that the God you are talking about are the men that wrote the bible, barbaric men that believe it is right to stone people to death for premarital sex and also stone their disobedient children to death. The bible is a mythical account of the Jews and the God they imagined and created. In pages after pages it promotes violence. In this passage it calls for the killing of those that worship other Gods.

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12).

if this passage were written in the Koran, people like you will be masturbating all over it and telling us how violent and cruel Allah is. How can a book that tells you to stone people that have premarital sex ever stand against immorality and insanity? What can ever be more insane and immoral than stoning people that engage in premarital sex to death? Are you crazy?

Don't be filled with so much hate for God, what really happened to you?.
God is love, Jesus is the Son of God (God in the flesh). And Jesus gave only one commandment; Love.

Repeating religious mantra aimlessly won't do it, I do not hate any God because non exist, I am only pointing to how ridiculous the idea is and you call it hate? What ever makes you sleep well at night my man, God is not love, the bible does not portray an idea of a God that is love. It portrays a God that go as far as killing the babies of people because they disobey his ridiculous injunctions. Where is the love?

"But modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges because you are accountable to God" is a crime to you to an extent that you need people to disbelieve in God with you. Great.

Why does God require belief and not knowledge? Do you believe in the existence of the sun?

Yeah Hitler was a good man, tell me more. Abacha was also a good man. Their followers who shared their dangerous ideaologies were also good men. You are sounding more stup!d. So you ara saying that "what you say is what matters and not what you do".
So you mean one can claim to be an atheist and be close to God, and preach the gospel every day of his life for the rest of his life??
So you mean one can claim to be a musician without ever singing a song.
So you mean girl can claim to be a boy and it wont matter simply because she has said it.
Hell I can even claim to be the president of Nigeria then.

The former President of Nigeria is a christian just like you are, you are actually not a better christian than he is. He believes in Jesus, he might do what is wrong, break the rules and what not but it does not stop him from being a christian. GEJ might actually even be a better human being than you, who is here spewing thrash.

No wonder nairaland atheists claim to be scientists simply because they copy from science websites and post on nairaland, thats the logic right?

The "Christians" in Nigeria are not christians until they start to strive to reflect the life of Christ in them (which is the main essence of christianity). Until then, we have majority of atheists in profession in a terribly superstitous and hypocritic Nation.

Which one is the life of Christ? The bible has Christ(God) acting like a schizophrenic person all over the place. You are not a better christain than most Nigerians so I really do not even know what you are yapping about. I am putting it to you that your life is not different than the life of an avarage Nigerian christian, it is not as if you are living a stellar moral life better than those other christians around you. So I really do not even know what to make of all these empty bluster of yours.

And i will keep telling you. If i was born into a poor family, ill strive to get rich. If i was born into a family of illiterates, ill strive to get educated. Ill be as foolish and confused as you are not to believe in both poverty and riches.

You are comparing apples and stones, it's so ridiculous and silly. A muslim can say the same thing about you and your false and fake religion which is christianity, because according to muslims your religion is false and fake. You are only a christian because you were born in the religion, if your wereborn into a family hat belongs to another religion, you would have been practicing that religion and that remains the fact.

Yeah right, keep waving your hands. Its the only thing you're good for

Your God is a man made idea, and the writers of the biblical stories are your God that is why you point to their writings all the time when pointing to God.

Firstly, allah never proclaims his love for unbelievers anywhere in the quran. allah does not command his followers to preach to disbelievers, you have to be born into islam to be loved by allah. It is totally different from "love your enemies'.

secondly, Im not the one confused about the worldview of rejects, you are. So go do your research. They are at best atheists.

Your God does not love the unbelievers, he called for their slaughter in many passages of the bible, he said i many places that unbelievers are not to be associated with, they are to be enslaved or killed. How is your own God better than Allah? The bible is there for every body to read and see how your God treated the unbelievers.

A christian that was unrepentant in reasserting severally that "stealing is not corruption" contrary to what Jesus preached in Matt 6:19, Matt 15:19, John 10:10. Or Obj that is a certified cultist and stole billions in proxy. What exactly are you talking about?

Will you compare them with;
President George Washington, First President of the United States who said:
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”

or Abraham Lincoln who said;
“I am busily engaged in the study of the Bible. I believe it is God’s word because it finds me where I am.”
“I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good of the Savior of the world is communicated to us through the Book.”
“Take all that you can of this book upon reason, and the balance on faith, and you will live and die a happier man. It is the best Book which God has given to man(When a skeptic expressed surprise to see him reading a Bible)”
“But for this book we could not know right from wrong.”

or Woodrow Wilson who said;
“When you have read the Bible, you know it is the word of God, because it is the key to your heart, your own happiness, and your own duty.”

or Martin Luther who said;
"For some years now I have read through the Bible twice every year. If you picture the Bible to be a mighty tree and every word a little branch, I have shaken every one of these branches because I wanted to know what it was and what it meant".

or Theodore Roosevelt;
“A thorough understanding of the Bible is better than a college education. Almost every man who has by his lifework added to the sum of human achievement has based his lifework largely upon the teachings of the Bible".
"It is necessary for the welfare of the nation that men's lives be based on the principles of the BIBLE. No man, educated or uneducated, can afford to be ignorant of
the BIBLE"
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society"

Despite all the bible quotes, some of which are ridiculous an and outright fallacy, George Washington , owned many slaves, Abraham Lincoln praised the bible in public but in private those close to him say he didn't believe in it.

Keep deceiving yourself for as long as it makes you happy. celebrate thieves, cultists, murderers, and people who dont care about God or their fellow compatriots. You are no different from them.

Maybe they are following your God's footsteps because your God and encouraged his chosen people to steal in the bible, he murdered people and encouraged his chosen people to murder others, they really acre about your God and are following his foot steps.

People who believe in God do not force others to live according to the principles of His kingdom, but in love and compassion they do not want them in eternal damnation. They want the best for them, a mandate given by God.

You on the other hand are disturbed and depressed and filled with hatred for your Maker to an extent that you need more people souls on your side. You will stop at nothing in this state that is why you are up against God and christianity everyday of your life.
I understand you also have a demonic mandate even though you will deny it probably because you want to remain unaware of such mandate.
Its like denying that you will fail if you do not prepare for success, its like denying that you will be hungry if you dont eat. Its like denying the system you have been created into.

Demonic mandate? . I will keep laughing at you as long as you keep talking thrash. You are just talking about fictitious characters and you expect me to take you seriously? What is a demon? Describe one to me in details so that when I encounter it, i will know it exist in reality and not in your fictitious made belief mind.

winner01:
All your rants prove the sort of hatred you live in.
The only proof you have that God is unjust is your desperation. There were governmental laws given by moses and the Bible records it. Your desperation is your headache.
When did Jesus ask believers not to have anything to do with unbelievers, or does light and darkness mean christians and non christians to you. You really were indoctrinated. Your parents force fed you the principles of christianity, its why you dont know the basics, its why you are hurting. Every thing Jesus condemned was the "evil' and not the people.

Governmental laws indeed, so tell me, who gave those barbaric governmental laws according to the bible that you are so ashamed of? Is it not this same God that you are trying to tell is is the epitome of morality? Kill unbelievers, kill gays, kill your disobedient children, kill those that work on the Sabbath, kill those that have premarital sex, enslave your neighbors, kill those that worship other God, kill babies cos their parents did you wrong, kill this, kill that, violence, anger, madness and everything. The bible says do not mix with unbelievers.

Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?2 Corinthians 6:14

I wont show you anything. Walk up to 10 thugs or prostitutes yourself and preach Jesus to them and notice their reactions. To further discover how much of an atheist they are, preach self-worship, unaccountability, wordly enjoyment and the inexistence of God to them and notice their positive reactions.
Jesus issuing hateful verdicts? .
You are really a sad and pained fellow.

Why will a for example thug want to hear that he will burn in fire because he refused to obey some stories? Of course the thug will be angry. You are threatening him with eternal torture which only makes him remember himself. Yes the bible has Jesus which is the same person as God issuing very hateful verdicts all over the place.

“The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16)

Here is Jesus(God) in the bible promising to kill the children of those that disobey him. Who kills children? Even the vilest of all human beings do not kill babies.

I wont discuss this with you cos this is not the first time you will make such references. But the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death. christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us.

Thrash, the same Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law of the prophets. He even berated the people for refusing to stone to their their disobedient kids to death as the law states. Loving your God with all your heart and loving your neighbor as you love yourself is what you want others to deduce from the bible, it is not all what the bible teaches, the bible teaches, love, hate,kindness, violence, cruelty and all. It is just a mix bag, that is why christians are all over the place using the bible to justify all of their actions, from love, to hate, to anger, to cruelty, to kindness, to everything. The bible is a mix bag and doesn't have single and universally accepted message or doctrine, all you have is to make do and create what ever it is you want to create for yourself out of the mix messages.

Let me post the full verse so people can see how desperate you are;
Luke 7:33–34, Jesus said, “For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’”
Only desperation will make you turn this verse into what it isnt. Jesus was simply comparing John the Baptist’s “drinking no wine” and His own drinking. Jesus said religious leaders accused Him falsely of being a drunkard. Jesus was never a drunkard as you are subtly insinuating and denying at the same time, just like He was never a glutton. He lived a completely sinless life (1 Peter 2:22).
Jesus even warned against drunkeness (Luke 12:45), and do you know the intoxication state i met my colleague before leaping blindly. Be wise please.

Jesus was drinking and because he did they people called him a drunk, I didn't say he was a drunk, I stated that clearly, but it is very clear from the verse that he drank and because he drinks the people called him a drunk. If you don;t drink no one will accuse you of drunkenness. According to the verse Jesus himself clearly stated that he drinks.

It is not a fact simply because you said so. firstly, What do you mean by being better?. secondly, i made no such claim so why are you trying to rope me? Is your conscience disturbing you or something?

Aren't you the one insisting that believing in Jesus makes people better human beings?

What do you understand by being born again? Is it what you were forcefed as a kid cos you also claim to be an ex-born again without knowing jack about christianity. You've been an indecisive fellow who can be easily swayed right from the onset so why should anyone take you serious.
Stop deceiving yourself, Nigeria is a superstitous and hypocritic country. When we start following Gods word and not disregard Him and live like atheists, the country will move forward.
You were raised in a deeper life and your leaders fed you stuff as a kid, dont come and cry here.

And God's word has made which country better? Name one country that became great by having the bible as it's constitution. When Europe was under the leadership of the church it was so backward that the period was regarded as part of the dark ages.

Ok so now they were deists not pretenders/cultists like you earlier said ?

Dont bother yourself asking any proof from me, you are not to be taken seriously by anyone. Ive made my stand :Usa and uk were built on chistian foundations and principles by christian founders and we know where they are today.

Queen Victoria, the longest ruling monarch of GB gave her opinion, she said;
"That Book, the Bible, accounts for the supremacy of England. England has become great & happy by the knowledge of the true God through Jesus Christ".

You said the christian founders were eventually proven to be pretenders after their deaths, you give proof of that and the many bull you have said or keep quiet forever.

Which christian foundation? You can't state it because it does not exist. State the christian principles the which the USA was founded upon or shut up. Is it separation of church and state? is it slavery ? is it arms bearing? Is it freedom of speech, expression and association? Which of these are christian principles?

dalaman:


Until you show me a reasonable statistics that shows that more atheist are committing crimes than christians in those countries i will have to conclude that you do not know what you are talking about. Committed and Christlike life style involving missionary work means nothing at all, after all it was the same missionaries that brought the stories of Christ to us that enslaved millions of our ancestors and killed many of them. Reverend fathers that act all Christlike have been shown to be child lovers and engage in sex with them (pedophiles). Christlike means nothing. Being a christian doesn't make you better than a non christian at all. No evidence any where to show that[b] non christians are worse human beings than christians any where[/b].

Stalin of the Soviet Union , Mao of China , Kim of North Korea . Kim of North Korea executes people against his government or feeds them to dogs . Stalin , Mao and Hitler committed the worst atrocities known to mankind - killing millions of people - and they are atheists .



In fact , communists' governments and her people (atheists ) committed lots of atrocities against Christians majorly , the Soviet Union in the 1980s


I have provided historically known facts . So you provide statistics that prove that non Christians are better than Christians

According to the report. It's actually not as if the rape cases in Sweden is higher than that of other places, it is just that they police record it differently, in Sweden they record every incident separately unlike in other countries. If a lady raped in Sweden on 4 different occasions, it will be recorded as 4 different rape incident, while in other countries it is recorded as one incident. Their method of recording which is different is account for the high rate together with the fact that they criminalize other aspect that other countries do not, in Sweden you can rape your wife while in most countries nothing like raping your wife exist. Children abduction is fluid and does not count as kidnapping in most countries. But the bottom line is that no evidence exist to show that christians are better moral human beings than atheist.

Stop being disingenuous , you asked for sizable countries of theist and atheist population , I gave you FOUR atheist countries and I asked you to deduce who commits crimes in their country .

Let me explain it to you :

If there are say 95 blacks and 5 whites in a community and a research found out that 40 percent of the population of the community smokes , which race will likely be identified as being smokers . The whites or the blacks ?

Rational answer : between 35 to 40 blacks in that community are smokers .

Apply the same reasoning pertinently .

Show me some one from Thailand that had never heard about Jesus that received any revelation from Jesus. Why it is that until the white people came to our shores non of our ancestors ever heard about Jesus through any revelation? Until the whites invaded the Americas,non of the people living there had ever received any revelation about Jesus.

Were you born in the 1800s to ascertain the claim you made ? No !

I disagree with most of what you have written simply because christianity is the only religion that promotes revelation among its adherents. Ex christians that convert to Islam do not receive revelations from Allah simply because Islam does not promote it.

Again , another half baked thought from you . Supposing we agree that people who hear of Jesus get their revelations . How many know that Christianity promotes revelation . There are many people who know Muhammed but did not know angel Gabriel supposedly visited him . So why aint these people getting revelations about Islam since they just know Muhammed

Plus WHY am I not getting the same message or any Christian in the world to move to Islam as the true religion . Why is it ALWAYS the other way round . Ogbeni Dalaman gerrahia mehn

dalaman:


“The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16)

Here is Jesus(God) in the bible promising to kill the children of those that disobey him. Who kills children? Even the vilest of all human beings do not kill babies.

Even the vilest of human beings do not kill babies ? The prostitutes that flush kids into toilets are what ? The wicked ones who use babies as rituals are what ? In front page , one beheaded a 3 yr old niece for rituals .

Herod killed babies when he was trying to find Jesus after realizing that he was tricked . During wars , male babies are killed and the females left alive .

Why do you enjoy avoiding the truth .

Winner01 , Dalaman knowingly avoided the full verse in 16 and overlooked 17 that justified God's actions . This guy has an ulterior motive - presenting God as some monster

It says :

15All their evil is at Gilgal; Indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels. 16Ephraim is stricken, their root is dried up, They will bear no fruit. Even though they bear children, I will slay the precious ones of their womb. 17 My God will cast them away Because they have not listened to Him; And they will be wanderers among the nations.

Meaning He will cause them to have miscarriages . And verse 17 explains and justifies why : : Because they have not listened to Him

God's wrath is always against people who dont follow His laws or suppress His people - Dalaman , you know this . He did it to Egypt , killed their first borns after they oppressed Israel for over 400 years as one of their punishments . And that time , His wrath was against Ephraim .

And Jesus is not Yahweh but He is Yahweh - They are one DIVINELY but are two different entities You can like to know about the Trinity . Here is a popular question you guys " Why is God of the Old Testament seem different from the one of the New Testament "

If you care to know , here is you answer : http://www.gotquestions.org/God-different.html

dalaman:

Despite all the bible quotes, some of which are ridiculous an and outright fallacy, George Washington , owned many slaves, Abraham Lincoln praised the bible in public but in private those close to him say he didn't believe in it.
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Dalaman , do you know that plaetton , Johydon22 are all closet christians , Here you go ! I dont live with them but I just know .

Were you one of those close to Abraham Lincoln ? Or did he reveal that to you ?

You are a clown this guy . Dalaman is a closet Jehovah Witness .

dalaman:


Which moral philosophy has christianity taught me? That I should stone people that have premarital sex to death? Isn't that what you God in the bible teaches? Of course the bible is the word of God, just that the God you are talking about are the men that wrote the bible, barbaric men that believe it is right to stone people to death for premarital sex and also stone their disobedient children to death. The bible is a mythical account of the Jews and the God they imagined and created. In pages after pages it promotes violence. In this passage it calls for the killing of those that worship other Gods.

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12).

if this passage were written in the Koran, people like you will be masturbating all over it and telling us how violent and cruel Allah is. How can a book that tells you to stone people that have premarital sex ever stand against immorality and insanity? What can ever be more insane and immoral than stoning people that engage in premarital sex to death? Are you crazy?

What did Jesus , God Himself , do when people wanted to stone the adulterous woman ? I know you know the answer

Dalaman , you claim to have been a christian before and you can't theologically dissociate the New Testament from the Old ? Disingenuous kind you are !

How many of us have stoned non- virgins ? Have your neighbours and friends stoned any ?

Where is the love ? This is the greatest message ever known to man

John 13:34-35

34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

Plus He died for your sins and faced all those painful punishments on the cross because He loves man

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Do you instantly go blind when you see numerous verses that preach or show the love of God to man or are you oblivious to those numerous verses

KingEbukasBlog:


Dalaman , do you know that plaetton , Johydon22 are all closet christians , Here you go ! I dont live with them but I just know .

Were you one of those close to Abraham Lincoln ? Or did he reveal that to you ?

You are a clown this guy . Dalaman is a closet Jehovah Witness .

Lol.

I just wonder why anyone would be ashamed to call himself christian in public.

KingEbukasBlog:


What did Jesus , God Himself , do when people wanted to stone the adulterous woman ? I know you know the answer

The story of Jesus and the adulterous woman in case you do not know was a later addition by one of the scribes, many bible versions clearly admit that. The story does not exist in many of the early manuscripts. Some bibe translation included but add the caution below:

(The earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53—8:11.)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%207:53-8:11

"The story of the woman caught in adultery is found in John 7:53—8:11. This section of Scripture, sometimes referred to as the pericope adulterae, has been the center of much controversy over the years. At issue is its authenticity. Did the apostle John write John 7:53—8:11, or is the story of the adulterous woman forgiven by Jesus a later, uninspired insertion into the text?

The Textus Receptus includes John 7:53—8:11, and the majority of Greek texts do. That is the reason the King James Version of the New Testament (based on the Textus Receptus) includes the section as an original part of the Gospel of John. However, more modern translations, such as the NIV and the ESV, include the section but bracket it as not original. This is because the earliest (and many would say the most reliable) Greek manuscripts do not include the story of the woman taken in adultery.

The Greek manuscripts show fairly clear evidence that John 7:53—8:11 was not originally part of John’s Gospel. No church father commented on the section until the twelfth century, and, even then, his comment was that accurate Greek manuscripts did not contain it. Among the manuscripts that do contain the section, either wholly or in part, there are variations of placement. Some manuscripts put the pericope adulterae after John 7:36, others after John 21:25, and some even place it in the Gospel of Luke (after Luke 21:38 or 24:53).

There is internal evidence, too, that John 7:53—8:11 is not original to the text. For one thing, the inclusion of these verses breaks the flow of John’s narrative. Reading from John 7:52 to John 8:12 (skipping the debated section) makes perfect sense. Also, the vocabulary used in the story of the adulterous woman is different from what is found in the rest of the Gospel of John. For example, John never refers to “the scribes” anywhere in his book—except in John 8:3. There are thirteen other words in this short section that are found nowhere else in John’s Gospel.

It certainly seems as if, so somewhere along the way, a scribe added this story of Jesus into John’s Gospel in a place he thought it would fit well"

http://www.gotquestions.org/John-7-53-8-11.html

All scholars agree that the passage was added by a scribe. Jesus never uttered those words. It was just made up by a scribe and added into the bible, a lot of the bible is just made up myth and fiction though. In other parts of the bible Jesus condemned the people for not stoning to death their kids as the law stated.

Dalaman , you claim to have been a christian before and you can't theologically dissociate the New Testament from the Old ? Disingenuous kind you are !

It is the same God that is in the new testament that is also in the OT. According to the bible the God said he remains the same and never changes, it says he is the same yesterday today and for ever. New testament. Old testament, same God that changes not. The barbaric actions of your God in the OT will also continue to embarrass you. If you don;t like the OT tear it off from your bible. Even the Jews of today that have the OT has their holy book do not obey a single word of it. They have thrown all its moral edicts away and moved on.

How many of us have stoned non- virgins ? Have your neighbours and friends stoned any ?

You can't stone your neighbors because you live in a society whose moral laws have evolved better than those of the people that wrote parts of the bible. You know it is bad as such you will never do it. Even the Jews that practice Judaism and use the OT as their holy word of God do not practice it. They will never do it because they know that it is evil. Even muslims do not stone to death people for adultery on a regular basis. Only the mad ones like ISIS do it, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc have don't do it regularly, a moratorium has been placed on it in Iran, ever body knows its evil.

Where is the love ? This is the greatest message ever known to man

John 13:34-35



Plus He died for your sins and faced all those painful punishments on the cross because He loves man

John 3:16

Your God sacrificed and killed himself unto himself so that he can forgive man? What is it with your God and death? He killed people, got tired and killed himself as well. What example of love is this? This is not love but madness. Only a person that has been indoctrinated and systematically made to reason in a certain way will find this reasonable.

Do you instantly go blind when you see numerous verses that preach or show the love of God to man or are you oblivious to those numerous verses

I have already stated that the bible is a mix bag. It contains verse about love and kindsness, but it also contains verses about hate, cruelty and evil. That is why christians are all over the place using it to justify all their actions from love, to kindness, to hate, to cruelty, to their evil deeds to what have you. The bible is a mix bag, it can be used to justify anything, after all the slave masters that brought christianity to our shores also doubled as missionaries

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Even the vilest of human beings do not kill babies ? The prostitutes that flush kids into toilets are what ? The wicked ones who use babies as rituals are what ? In front page , one beheaded a 3 yr old niece for rituals.

The vilest human beings are on the same page with your God. Maybe they learned their baby killing from the bible, the bible has God killing babies or threatening to kill babies in many passages.

Herod killed babies when he was trying to find Jesus after realizing that he was tricked . During wars , male babies are killed and the females left alive

The Story about Herod killing babies only appear in the gospel of Matthew and no where else, it is a fiction the author of the Gospel of Matthew invented to contrive a fulfillment of prophecy by Jesus. Many christain scholars are now saying that the story is an allegory

Why do you enjoy avoiding the truth .

Which truth?

Winner01 , Dalaman knowingly avoided the full verse in 16 and overlooked 17 that justified God's actions . This guy has an ulterior motive - presenting God as some monster

It says :



Meaning He will cause them to have miscarriages . And verse 17 explains and justifies why : : Because they have not listened to Him

God's wrath is always against people who dont follow His laws or suppress His people - Dalaman , you know this . He did it to Egypt , killed their first borns after they oppressed Israel for over 400 years as one of their punishments . And that time , His wrath was against Ephraim.

So your God is now in the business of abortion? So it is right for God to kill the children of people because they do not obey him? Why are you talking like this? If such a vile God exist then he needs to be hunted down and killed by humans, luckily he doesn't exist in reality but in people's minds and imaginations.

And Jesus is not Yahweh but He is Yahweh - They are one DIVINELY but are two different entities You can like to know about the Trinity . Here is a popular question you guys " Why is God of the Old Testament seem different from the one of the New Testament "

If you care to know , here is you answer : http://www.gotquestions.org/God-different.html

And Jesus is not Yahweh but He is Yahweh? What are you talking about? The God of the OT is the same with the God of the new testament. The bible says he never changes, he is the same yesterday, today and for ever.