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Yes GOD's work is foolishness to normal people

This is because his works are ment for only foolish people

He is not your creator that is why he cannot control you except he decieves you through his agent (the imperialist white and Arab men) into subscribing to his system so you can be under his spell
Of which only foolish people fall prey to (eg: majority of present day Africans)

I want to believe that nobody is going to read my reply but I just want to drop it here for whosoever willeth.

If Jesus died for our sin is not something to be debated. There are scores of old books, Jewish and otherwise, that tells the story of Jesus's life, purpose and death as deduced from his definition of himself.

Jesus purpose was not just to substitute the animal sacrifice of the old testament but to show us how to live for God, Take away the sins of the world as a human and to reveal the God in everyone who believed.

His life and teachings showed us how to live right with God. His suffering and death was the atonement for our sins. His ressurection was the final and the most important stage to show that if we believe in him and The one who sent him, we are more than mere mortals. We are gods.

The resurrection of Jesus has nothing to do with his sacrifice for the sin of the world. That finished on the cross of calvary when his last drop of blood drained from his body. Atonement was complete! the resurrection of Jesus Christ is what gives me the hope of a life under God's governance. That ressurection is what gives me the power to sit in my room and pray over my day, my boss and even the weather and have all if them conform to my desires. The resurrection if Christ made me a child of God, a god over forces of the dark places.

Now, for every theory, an experiment must be used to prove it. Here is the exiperiment that would put to death any doubts and confusion you may still have: Take a weekend off and stay in your closet. Write down on a piece of paper one thing you know only God can do for you. Write down Bible verses that justifies what you are requesting of God then sit down and cry to God to save you of your unbelief.

Come back here and make a thread testifying of the power in the name of Jesus.

May God bless and open your mind to his love and gift in Christ Jesus.

P.S: our constitution gives us a right to faith and belief and challenging somebody's religion, faith or deity for no sakes is really constituting a nuisance and it isn't gentlemanly. I have role models of the likes of ymodulus whose faith differ from mine but I don't challenge their faith nor do they mine. That is called TOLERANCE. learn more about that...

dapipson:
I still remain. May God show us the way.

stop been ignorant and blind to the truth. about 85% of religious leaders are in witchcraft and occultism. Religion is a tool used by the devil to bring the new world order. all Religions are satanic in nature. when AHAYAH ASHER AHAYAH-God created the heaven and the earth, he did not create religion. religion is man made/devilsh. But The HOLY TORAH-Bible is real book written by the AHAYAH-God through his servants(prophets). remember that moses, daniel, king david did not have any religion. but they worshipped the AHAYAH-God. think with your brain, you are a Man.

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Bro, Jesus died to redeem man from sin and slavery. Read the book of Leviticus from any bible version and you'd understand the sacrifice he has made. As for the resurrection part, it signifies the victory he has won for us over sin and death. With Christ's resurrection, man is no longer a slave to sin and no power can stop him from reaching his destiny. I believe that Jesus died for me, I believe he resurrected and I confess him as my Lord and saviour.

DMLords:
I want to believe that nobody is going to read my reply but I just want to drop it here for whosoever willeth.

If Jesus died for our sin is not something to be debated. There are scores of old books, Jewish and otherwise, that tells the story of Jesus's life, purpose and death as deduced from his definition of himself.

Jesus purpose was not just to substitute the animal sacrifice of the old testament but to show us how to live for God, Take away the sins of the world as a human and to reveal the God in everyone who believed.

His life and teachings showed us how to live right with God. His suffering and death was the atonement for our sins. His ressurection was the final and the most important stage to show that if we believe in him and The one who sent him, we are more than mere mortals. We are gods.

The resurrection of Jesus has nothing to do with his sacrifice for the sin of the world. That finished on the cross of calvary when his last drop of blood drained from his body. Atonement was complete! the resurrection of Jesus Christ is what gives me the hope of a life under God's governance. That ressurection is what gives me the power to sit in my room and pray over my day, my boss and even the weather and have all if them conform to my desires. The resurrection if Christ made me a child of God, a god over forces of the dark places.

Now, for every theory, an experiment must be used to prove it. Here is the exiperiment that would put to death any doubts and confusion you may still have: Take a weekend off and stay in your closet. Write down on a piece of paper one thing you know only God can do for you. Write down Bible verses that justifies what you are requesting of God then sit down and cry to God to save you of your unbelief.

Come back here and make a thread testifying of the power in the name of Jesus.

May God bless and open your mind to his love and gift in Christ Jesus.

P.S: our constitution gives us a right to faith and belief and challenging somebody's religion, faith or deity for no sakes is really constituting a nuisance and it isn't gentlemanly. I have role models of the likes of ymodulus whose faith differ from mine but I don't challenge their faith nor do they mine. That is called TOLERANCE. learn more about that...

Well said. You've made valid points. He who has an ear, let him hear.

Hahahahahahahahaha!!! They have eyes yet they can't see! Mysteries are not meant for every mind so...

I see whr u are coming from.

May the light of God come upon you to deliver u from darkness in Jesus' name.
There is a better life in Christ than ungodly life

theDEVILisHERE:


Yes GOD's work is foolishness to normal people

This is because his works are ment for only foolish people

He is not your creator that is why he cannot control you except he decieves you through his agent (the imperialist white and Arab men) into subscribing to his system so you can be under his spell
Of which only foolish people fall prey to (eg: majority of present day Africans)

hollyfat:


I think the book of Hebrews is a letter by Apostle Paul, what if Paul is wrong?

you are mistaken, simply because you forget that all scripture is inspired of God

IsaacBuchi:


Broz eh, e bi like say you go emboldened this your answer make more people see am o!

Nice answer btw!

My good brother, how's everything ?,... hmm this thread further proof that there is no place like Jehovah's organization.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE WAS ANYBODY NAMED JESUS CHRIST?
THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE.

pls hum are you a christain,?

It's quite obvious you lack the knowledge of GOD..,HIS death, resurrection and ascension can only make meaning in the hearts and ears of the wise..,be wise friend and allow HIS saving grace illuminate your dark hearts..JESUS is LORD of ALL! HE went into the grave to get back our stolen eternal life from the temporary holder of it, i.e., the devil, who u & ur like-minded folks are indirectly working for! Repent and be converted that your sins of blasphemy might be blotted out so that times of refreshing can come from HIS PRESENCE to you!

am0sn0nyu:
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am0sn0nyu:
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Your predecessors answer you:


Caesar Borgia: "While I lived, I provided for everything
but death; now I must die, and am unprepared to die."
Thomas Hobbs political philosopher "I say again, if I had
the whole world at my disposal, I would give it to live
one day. I am about to take a leap into the dark."
Thomas Payne [/b]the leading atheistic writer in
American colonies: "Stay with me, for God's sake; I
cannot bear to be left alone , O Lord, help me! O God,
what have I done to suffer so much? What will become
of me hereafter? "I would give worlds if I had them,
that The Age of Reason had never been published. 0
Lord, help me! Christ, help me! …No, don't leave; stay
with me! Send even a child to stay with me; for I am on
the edge of Hell here alone. If ever the Devil had an
agent, I have been that one."
[b]Sir Thomas Scott, Chancellor of England "Until this
moment I thought there was neither a God nor a hell.
Now I know and feel that there are both, and I am
doomed to perdition by the just judgment of the
Almighty."
Voltaire famous anti-christian atheist: "I am abandoned
by God and man; I will give you half of what I am worth
if you will give me six months' life." (He said this to Dr.
Fochin, who told him it could not be done.) "Then I shall
die and go to hell!" (His nurse said: "For all the money
in Europe I wouldn’t want to see another unbeliever die!
All night long he cried for forgiveness."
Robert Ingersoll: "O God, if there be a God, save my
soul, if I have a soul!" (Some say it was this way: "Oh
God, if there be a God, save my soul if I have a soul,
from hell, if there be a hell!"
David Hume, atheist philosopher famous for his
philosophy of empiricism and skepticism of religion, he
cried loud on his death bed "I am in flames!" It is said
his "desperation was a horrible scene".
Napoleon Bonaparte, the French emperor, and who, like
Adolf Hitler, brought death to millions to satisfy his
greedy, power-mad, selfish ambitions for world
conquest: "I die before my time, and my body will be
given back to the earth. Such is the fate of him who has
been called the great Napoleon. What an abyss between
my deep misery and the eternal kingdom of Christ!”
Sir Francis Newport, the head of an English Atheist club
to those gathered around his deathbed: "You need not
tell me there is no God for I know there is one, and that
I am in His presence! You need not tell me there is no
hell. I feel myself already slipping. Wretches, cease
your idle talk about there being hope for me! I know I
am lost forever! Oh, that fire! Oh, the insufferable
pangs of hell! …Oh, that I could lie for a thousand years
upon the fire that is never quenched, to purchase the
favor of God and be united to Him again. But it is a
fruitless wish. Millions and millions of years will bring
me no nearer the end of my torments than one poor
hour. Oh, eternity, eternity forever and forever!, Oh,
the insufferable pangs of Hell!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GHhtTqtTTo
Charles IX [/b]was the French king who urged on by his
mother, gave the order for the massacre of the French
Huguenots, in which 15,000 souls were slaughtered in
Paris alone and 100,000 in other sections of France, for
no other reason than that they loved Christ. The guilty
king suffered miserably for years after that event. He
finally died, bathed in blood bursting from his veins. To
his physicians he said in his last hours: "Asleep or
awake, I see the mangled forms of the Huguenots
passing before me. They drop with blood. They point at
their open wounds. Oh! That I had spared at least the
little infants at the bosom! What blood! I know not
where I am. How will all this end? What shall I do? I am
lost forever! I know it. Oh, I have done wrong."
[b]David Strauss, leading representative of German
rationalism, after spending a lifetime erasing belief in
God from the minds of others: "My philosophy leaves
me utterly forlorn! I feel like one caught in the
merciless jaws of an automatic machine, not knowing at
what time one of its great hammers may crush me!"
In a Newsweek interview with Svetlana Stalin, the
daughter of Josef Stalin, she told of her father's
death: "My father died a difficult and terrible death. .
God grants an easy death only to the just. . At what
seemed the very last moment he suddenly opened his
eyes and cast a glance over everyone in the room. It was
a terrible glance, insane or perhaps angry. . His left
hand was raised, as though he were pointing to
something above and bringing down a curse on us all.
The gesture was full of menace. . The next moment he
was dead."
[b]Anton LeVey [/b]author of the Satanic Bible and
high priest of the religion dedicated to the worship of
Satan. Some of his famous quotes are “There is a beast
in man that needs to be exercised, not exorcised”. His
dying words were "Oh my, oh my, what have I done,
there is something very wrong…there is something very wrong"

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i dont just know what to say to u.. because even pple bearing the name john are also thinking like you..well, its not to the natural man which can not understand the things of GOD....i will ask you...how is it possible for a seed to die and he rises up again bearing more seeds? you believe in the creatures and the creation but you dont know the ways of creator .

so there still pple who still donot bliv in Christ's death.. kai!!!ok wat do u want to bliv? this generation we worse than the jews and the greeks...put together.

I believed Jesus Christ died for me and resurrected for me but maybe not for u

The Real sacrifice was surrendering Himself to be crucified on the cross for the sins of humanity, He could have done otherwise if he wanted with the powers at is disposal. His resurrection was an anchor for our faith and salvation, a template of what will happen to those that died in Christ Jesus. 1 Cor 15 vs 12-20 is so apt about Resurrection

12-15 Now, let me ask you something profound yet troubling. If you became believers because you trusted the proclamation that Christ is alive, risen from the dead, how can you let people say that there is no such thing as a resurrection? If there’s no resurrection, there’s no living Christ. And face it—if there’s no resurrection for Christ, everything we’ve told you is smoke and mirrors, and everything you’ve staked your life on is smoke and mirrors. Not only that, but we would be guilty of telling a string of barefaced lies about God, all these affidavits we passed on to you verifying that God raised up Christ—sheer fabrications, if there’s no resurrection.
16-20 If corpses can’t be raised, then Christ wasn’t, because he was indeed dead. And if Christ weren’t raised, then all you’re doing is wandering about in the dark, as lost as ever. It’s even worse for those who died hoping in Christ and resurrection, because they’re already in their graves. If all we get out of Christ is a little inspiration for a few short years, we’re a pretty sorry lot. But the truth is that Christ has been raised up, the first in a long legacy of those who are going to leave the cemeteries.

He rose again shows his power to take back his life. All we needed was just the sacrificial lamb. whatever happened after does not change the pain before. If you said it was not a sacrifice, please I would love to pierce your palm with a nail to a big wood for just five hours. Just only that aspect.... In reward of it healing back. And you know that is possible. I want a volunteer.

Is there ni difference between borrow and sacrifice? You borrow out something with the hope of redeeming it back and you sacrifice something beloved to you without looking back at it.
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Lol. True. Other examples you fail to consider:

1. I sacrifice (give up) my bed so that my younger one may sleep in it for three nights. Have I lost my bed forever?

2. I sacrifice (give up) the use of my laptop for the day so that a friend may use it to complete an assignment. Have I lost my laptop forever?

3. I sacrifice (give up) my car so that my brother may use it to go for a job interview in time since his is still under repair. Have I lost my car forever?

What in the definition of sacrifice implies that the use of the word must be associated with permanent loss? [/quote]

frank317:
CaptainJune, you are just bringing in unnecessary Logic here. How exactly is Jesus or God's death a sacrifice? Sacrifice to what end? Sacrifice to who and for what?
He was a spirit man. He took a temporary flesh body and looses it for just three days and in those three days he just simply became his main spirit man. After that he came back to temporal flesh. And you call that a sacrifice? Lol
Yet he willingly returned back to his spirit being. What's the sacrifice there really?
If I am asked to die for the whole world for three days and you give me just 10000 naira in return, I will gladly "sacrifice" my life

What evidence do you have to back it up?
Christians like to use "opolo" and cook up stories.

Ranchhoddas:
You be mumu!

Ah!ah!

Just like that? Without backing up your claims.

You dey lucky say I no get ur time.

wintersnow:
[b][/b]THE LORD ANSWERED JOB

Since all y'all atheist are denying Gods existence, can any of yhu answer the following questions...

38 Then out of the storm the Lord spoke to Job.



2 Who are you to question my wisdom
with your ignorant, empty words?
3 Now stand up straight
and answer the questions I ask you.
4 Were you there when I made the world?
If you know so much, tell me about it.
5 Who decided how large it would be?
Who stretched the measuring line over it?
Do you know all the answers?
6 What holds up the pillars that support the earth?
Who laid the cornerstone of the world?
7 In the dawn of that day the stars sang together,
and the heavenly beings shouted for joy.

8 Who closed the gates to hold back the sea
when it burst from the womb of the earth?
9 It was I who covered the sea with clouds
and wrapped it in darkness.
10 I marked a boundary for the sea
and kept it behind bolted gates.
11 I told it, “So far and no farther!
Here your powerful waves must stop.”
12 Job, have you ever in all your life
commanded a day to dawn?
13 Have you ordered the dawn to seize the earth
and shake the wicked from their hiding places?
14 Daylight makes the hills and valleys stand out
like the folds of a garment,
clear as the imprint of a seal on clay.
15 The light of day is too bright for the wicked
and restrains them from doing violence.

16 Have you been to the springs in the depths of the sea?
Have you walked on the floor of the ocean?
17 Has anyone ever shown you the gates
that guard the dark world of the dead?
18 Have you any idea how big the world is?
Answer me if you know.

19 Do you know where the light comes from
or what the source of darkness is?
20 Can you show them how far to go,
or send them back again?
21 I am sure you can, because you're so old
and were there when the world was made!


GOD REIGN IS SUPREME!

This is so depressing.

This is the level of questioning you'd expect from an illiterate from the Bronze Age.

How can you possiibly be using the internet in the 21st century and still be wondering about the 'pillars that support the earth' or where light and dark come from

Human beings 'walked on the floor of the ocean' decades ago and have addressed and solved the scaredy-cat, bush-witch, oogidi-boogidi questions from your magic book.

Christians, for the sake of our continent and our people, please, please do better than THIS!!

Jeromejnr:

Ah!ah!
Just like that? Without backing up your claims.
You dey lucky say I no get ur time.

Yeah right

promise101:
All you atheists, you have come again. Please, I hope
you haven't come to play the devil's role that
occurred in the temptation of Jesus.
satan to Jesus:"if you are the son of God, turn this
stone to bread"
Assuming, christ hadn't resurrected, you would say
that he is like other fake prophets like mohammed.
You would have succeeded in making mockery of
our christian faith.
If christ hadn't resurrected, who will EVER believ in
him and his divinity. Unlike other fake prophets like
mohammed, who died on poison.
Jesus' death is NOT accidental to him, he
FOREKNEW IT, he knew for sure that he is the lamb
of God(in flesh) that taketh away the sins of the
whole world.
Jesus knew that it will take him, dying in the
likeness of a sinful flesh, for us to be saved.
He resurrected as an assurance of our justification. If
he hadn't resurrected, how will we be sure that our
debt has been paid.
1cor 15:14; "AND IF CHRIST BE NOT RISEN, then is
our preaching vain, and YOUR FAITH IS ALSO IN
VAIN."
The resurrection of Jesus is what proves him lord
over death.
Jesus died for our condemnation and he
RESURRECTED for our justification.
If he died and after death(paying our debt), he
couldn't defeat death, then he will be like other fake
prophets who came and will still come before him.
Nevertheless, Jesus intentionally knew that he will
die and on the third day, he shall rise from the
death. This is a DIVINE plan for man's justification.

You beast like looking for trouble. Why? how dear you refer the last prophet false. Best of mankind for that matter!

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Jesus death has nothing much to do with the sin of man. It is his resurrection that is the key to man's redemption.

Everyman is dead is Adam.

Jesus died not as a seed of Adam, but as a seed of God.

Resurrecting, he resurrected with as many who were dead in Adam who believe in him.

Jesus death is so important because if he didn't die, he wouldn't have chance to resurrect and resurrect the dead man.

Rossy99:
D purpose of ressurrection is to give us hope that wen we die as Godly pple,we too we have d opportunity to ressurrect like him

And you believe yu can resuurrect? But lemme ask yu do know that there are more Godly and God fearing people who died buh never resurrect, what's yo take on that?

Chrisbenogor:

See me see wahala o simple kweshun.

Lol. I doubt that you were just asking a simple question! If so you are the first I have seen in this section doing that. Its just part of the game to criticise believers/non believers etc whatever the opposite group is. If you are genuine the are plenty of answers on the net.

Chrisbenogor:

See me see wahala o simple kweshun.

Uncle Chris long time. Hope you're good. MuskeetMuskeeto.

GooseBaba:


Lmao... How can I take you seriously. You're but a senile old man...

Just as i shut them down on the streets so shall it be online.. The fools are left to play the prosecution card. If all else fails. Bring out the devil card...

Who is prosecuting? Your attempted insults fail miserably, even if I was senile I will still be more intelligent than than you. So far on nairaland you have shut no one down. You seem to have an over inflated sense of your importance.

I suspect by your subtle change in tone I have struck a nerve and gained an insight into you. It does annoy you that they simply pray for you!

Lol. YOU NEED IT!

Now please stop dodging the question and remind me if you are one of the atheists or the pagan worshipers. I am not ashamed to state my position why are you ashamed to state yours?

Am a little bit confuse cos of the way u guys are talking about JESUS CHRIST not existing and many other things also...
But have u guys ever think of how we are all born?
To me it look crazy talking about JESUS CHRIST.
And let's me make this statement ....
Anyone of u doubting JESUS existence will encounter him 2day ....am 100% sure...
I knw some u will attack me with my comment but I can bet of the encounter today.

KoloOyinbo:


Who is prosecuting? Your attempted insults fail miserably, even if I was senile I will still be more intelligent than than you. So far on nairaland you have shut no one down. You seem to have an over inflated sense of your importance.

I suspect by your subtle change in tone I have struck a nerve and gained an insight into you. It does annoy you that they simply pray for you!

Lol. YOU NEED IT!

Now please stop dodging the question and remind me if you are one of the atheists or the pagan worshipers. I am not ashamed to state my position why are you ashamed to state yours?

Hahahahaha.... You suspect... Lol..Change of which fuvking tone... I hit a nerve. You Senile old fart... As far as my peace of mind is concerned. I'm more important than the queen of fuvking England.


Meanwhile, what silly question are my dodging... If you are not senile. How can you ask me of a question you're sure of the answer , why don't you point it out.

To indulge your stupidity. I am an African who basked in the glorious teachings of his ancestors. Urhobo by tribe. Anything else?

GooseBaba:

Hahahahaha.... You suspect... Lol..Change of which fuvking tone... I hit a nerve. You Senile old fart... As far as my peace of mind is concerned. I'm more important than the queen of fuvking England.

Meanwhile, what silly question are my dodging... If you are not senile. How can you ask me of a question you're sure of the answer , why don't you point it out.

To indulge your stupidity. I am an African who basked in the glorious teachings of his ancestors. Urhobo by tribe. Anything else?

Well the queen is refered to as eliza brit where I come from and not important at all!
So you now admit to being a primitive pagan ok. We now know the source of the lack of depth and reason in your answers.

I am sure you are equally rude and obnoxious to those you mention. But you are clearly failing to annoy them if they are praying for you. I might say one for you myself if I can remember.

KoloOyinbo:


Well the queen is refered to as eliza brit where I come from and not important at all!
So you now admit to being a primitive pagan ok. We now know the source of the lack of depth and reason in your answers.

I am sure you are equally rude and obnoxious to those you mention. But you are clearly failing to annoy them if they are praying for you. I might say one for you myself if I can remember.

See how useless you are..

I told you am an Urhobo. And you use the word "primitive pagan".. When I've already told you my identity/heritage.. That's the same rubbish the evangelical christains say. But eager to scream tolerance.

Anyhow sha, two can play that game. Now Since you're Irish I would refer to you as a cat licking, mackerel snapping Irish rag.

Ignorance is bliss....bitcch!!