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Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by justurch(m): 6:06pm On Mar 31, 2016
Legal scholars and experts hurled ‎verbal missiles around a round table convened‎ to brainstorm on winning the war against corruption at the University of Lagos on Thursday.

The round table, organised by the Department of Jurisprudence and International Law, tagged “Winning the War Against Corruption” was also an opportunity to launch the book ‘Legal Perspectives to Corruption, Money Laundering, and Assets Recovery in Nigeria.’
The occasion began with the keynote speech ‘Rule of Law and Treatment of Politically Exposed Persons in Corruption Cases’ delivered by Femi Falana, a Senior Advocate of Nigeria.

Mr. Falana, who was represented by Wahab Shittu, advocated the creation of special courts to handle corruption cases.

The verbal battle began‎ after controversial scholar, Femi Aribisala, took to the podium to discuss Mr. Falana’s speech.

“There is no fight against corruption in Nigeria. And if there’s no fight against corruption, you can’t even talk about war,” Mr. Aribisala began.

And then he launched into a 10 minute speech that attacked the global definition of corruption by Oby Ezekwesili, a former World Bank vice president who had earlier defined corruption as “the abuse of public space for private gains‎”, the prescription of special courts by Mr. Falana; and current administration’s effort against corruption.

“Corruption cannot be narrowly defined the way Dr. Ezekwesili defined it, only relating to public institutions. We are corrupt in Nigeria. The plumber, the tailor, the whole society is corrupt,” said Mr. Aribisala.

“And we have not yet taken a decision, we have not yet gotten to a point where we are fed up. I mean, she (Mrs. Ezekwesili) had given an example of Hong Kong where people became fed up and said enough is enough. We have not reached that situation yet, I don’t know why not, but we certainly have not.

“The 2015 election was not an anti-corruption election. We did not have any political party that presented an anti-corruption mandate to us. The party that won the election was just a makeover of the PDP, I mean the PDP people moved from the PDP to the APC. If they were corrupt when they were in PDP, they became clean when they were in APC.

“So there is no mandate against corruption. If President Buhari was determined to fight against corruption, my feeling is that he gave up after losing election three times.

“Because the fourth time, he formed an alliance with people who he despised before. And they were not necessarily people who had a track record of being (sic) anti-corruption. So today, I don’t know who is anti-corruption.”

‎Mr. Aribisala said the current fight against corruption by the President Muhammadu Buhari government is merely a fight against the Peoples’ Democratic Party (PDP).

“We have to make up our minds if we really want to deal with the question of corruption. If we want to deal with the question of corruption, Nigerians themselves must insist on it and we have to deal with it at the institutional level,” he said.

“The institutional fight against corruption that has taken place to the extent that it has, took place under PDP. The institutional structures, even the ones that the present government is relying on, are PDP structures. Whether it is EFCC, ICPC, TSA, all these came under PDP.

“In ten months of Buhari’s‎ government, there has been no institutional structure that has been laid against corruption. We have simple had media circuses accusing people of corruption.


“You cannot fight corruption with corruption. And corruption is more than just the stealing of money. If you disobey the rule‎ of law, you have corrupted the system. If you create an avenue where you have a big margin between the official foreign exchange rate and the parallel market rate, there’s gonna be corruption. If you have children of the rich getting into the CBN on nepotistic grounds, the corruption is still with you.
“If you have a budget that is padded left right and centre, and after this was revealed you passed it and say only a small amount changed in it, and we do not know what is in the new budget, you can’t say you are against corruption. There is no transparency in any of these things.”

Mr. Aribisala further stated that the current anti-corruption effort‎ lacks a clear focus.
“Because the last 16 years was not just PDP government,” he said.

“The legacy parties of the APC were also in power. In fact when the PDP was ostensibly dealing with corruption, it addressed people in its own party. We are not having that now.

“And that’s why I can’t trust Falana’s prescription that we are going to establish special courts. I don’t trust this government to establish those courts. They will simply establish courts to decimate the opposition.
“People like Orubebe will be arrested, and they will file cases against him and several months later they will drop the charges against him. And they will have pronounced him guilty in the newspapers on charges that will later on be dropped. That is not a fight against corruption.”

Mr. Aribisala’s speech received a thunderous ovation from the guests, mostly students, a situation which irked‎ Itse Sagay, a professor of Law and the chairman of the occasion.

“We are not here to make students clap,” a visibly angry Mr. Sagay, who serves as the chairman of a Presidential Advisory Committee on Anti-courruption.
“We are here on a very serious business. And students, don’t behave like American electorates who are ignorant. Donald Trump. The appreciation of unserious people shows ignorance. How can someone come here and say there’s no war against corruption and there is clapping? ‎”

Mr. Sagay said the APC had a manifesto that spelt out its strategies to combat corruption, and admonished Mr. Aribisala to stop making statements devoid of facts.‎

“Obasanjo created ICPC, EFCC, they are doing well we don’t need to create new institutions. You do not win a war by just creating multiplicity of institutions everywhere, that’s irresponsible. We will work with the institutions that we have.

“You don’t dilute the meaning of corruption to a point that it is meaningless. This is a very serious discussion and I want us to be serious about it. If you are anti-government, please go and campaign against government and let your party win in 2019.

“This is not a venue for PDP campaign. Most inappropriate comment. We are here on serious business. Let’s maintain that seriousness,” he said.
With Mr. Aribisala appearing unperturbed by Mr. Sagay’s stern remarks, Mrs. Ezekwesili pleaded for another chance at the podium, ostensibly to further drive the case against Mr. Aribisala’s argument.
“The systemic nature of corruption as a cancer against a system of governance is demonstrated in the fact that the activity of corruption begins to happen at their different levels,” Mrs. Ezekwesili began.

“So for example, I wasn’t surprised that some of you were clapping. The reason you were clapping is that you are a page in your own level of corruption.

“There are many whose exam malpractice is the basis upon which ‎they have come to school. So when you are talking about the need to wage a war against corruption, they are completely disconnected from it. There is a complete dissonance from it.”
Mrs. Ezekwesili urged the students to desist‎ from applauding populist statements.

“You need to be driven by the evidence of the damage and the destruction ‎that corruption is doing to you, at the unit level. If you think you are doing well now, you will do exceedingly better if corruption is effectively tackled in this society,” she said.

“There is no comedy session going on here. We are talking about something that can be destructive. You should be holding the gun to fight against corruption. The gun has to be intellectual, so I need you to intelligently process everything that is said.”

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by TANTUMERGO007(m): 6:07pm On Mar 31, 2016
grin femi will always carry the day grin

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by SUPERPACK: 6:07pm On Mar 31, 2016
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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by mars123(m): 6:12pm On Mar 31, 2016
I think firstly our institutions have to be strengthened for an effective war against corruption. That doesn't mean that Buhari isn't fighting corruption now. because if you check the current restructuring of the NNPC, the restructuring itself is a war against corruption. how does femi explain the introduction of TSA, is that not a fight against corruption?

I choose to ignore the $2.1bn because people with sentiments are calling it witch hunt. but how on earth can you witch hunt a thief? those who have stolen our commonwealth are being pursued and you're calling it unfair. This Femi is not okay at all.

and the supposedly "leaders of tomorrow" are clapping. Lord knows an idiot will never lead me tomorrow.

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Cameleon72(f): 6:18pm On Mar 31, 2016
What a disgrace to our nation... So sick of some political elites who seek favours from thier bosses, they indulge in lies and derailed the truth...

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by ndcide(m): 6:18pm On Mar 31, 2016
I need to give Mr Femi a cold bottle of pepsi for driving home the point. Prof sagay should know the sentiment of some of us. What you are doing now is not fighting corruption. QED

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by makingsense(m): 6:20pm On Mar 31, 2016
Lol..
I just don't know why this is funny

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Ozid(m): 6:23pm On Mar 31, 2016
This Mr Aribisala is just making mockery of himself. If at this age of his he sees nothing bad in corruption then he need to have a brain check up.

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by beejaay: 6:31pm On Mar 31, 2016
see knockout from femi!!!!!!!!!!!!! sagay can do better than that...am sure madam eze will be regretting not sending a delegate

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Boss13: 6:50pm On Mar 31, 2016
Femi is right. Hard to agree but he is right. How many conviction cases so far - nil. There is corruption everywhere in Nigeria not just public offices. Also, why fight corruption and then influence your children's employment. I am just so disappointed with APC at the moment after all the support.

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by utytill(m): 6:52pm On Mar 31, 2016
Femi,sosongo.

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by odikimi: 7:05pm On Mar 31, 2016
Ozid:
This Mr Aribisala is just making mockery of himself. If at this age of his he sees nothing bad in corruption then he need to have a brain check up.
after reading the constructive criticism he gave, ds is all u can come up with? There is really problem in our educational system. Well I can't wait for 2019.

lobatan

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by odikimi: 7:06pm On Mar 31, 2016
Femi taken Falana, Sagay and that ugly bitch to the gutter.2019 pls come quickly

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by popez: 7:06pm On Mar 31, 2016
Ozid:
This Mr Aribisala is just making mockery of himself. If at this age of his he sees nothing bad in corruption then he need to have a brain check up.

Did you really read the article? If you did and this is what you deduced from what femi posited,then I can assure that you are on the same level of dullness with Buhari. Smh.

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by adconline(m): 7:25pm On Mar 31, 2016
It's sheer sophisticated arrogance for Sagay to liken students to American voters .. Average Americans voter is far more knowledgeable on the issues and where candidates stand than in Naija. GEJ campgained on I had no shoes as a child, let me be ur president and he won. GMB avoided public debates and still won.

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Nobody: 7:28pm On Mar 31, 2016
I never take femi aribisala pastor serious

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by odikimi: 7:38pm On Mar 31, 2016
Keneking:
I never take femi aribisala pastor serious
I know u don't because truth is allergic to yo end

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Zico5(m): 7:53pm On Mar 31, 2016
Good

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by slimpoppa(m): 7:53pm On Mar 31, 2016
real clash?
Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by mideactive: 7:58pm On Mar 31, 2016
Most of d crimes being handled by d efcc/icpc ar crimes committed by d people dat wer involved in d pdp govt of d last administration,n we al knw our justice system is very slow.I'm sure al those indicted wl be persecuted,it's just a matter of time.true we cannot say d present administration don't av very corrupt ppl but,I thing it should be handled one @ a time.n care must be taken so as not to put Nigeria in a very bad shap.perhaps,d past govt had every opportunity to deal wit d corrupt once in d apc,wat stoped him.is mr aribisala sayin dat we shold let d criminals go just bcus we don't want to witch hunt 'em?hw can an elderly man be against somethin like dis?is he sayin bcus Efcc n icpc wer formed by pdp,it cannot be used by apc.wat happens to Continuity?personally,I think we'r on a d right part,al we need is to subtract n add not to completely Condemn d process.so many revelations,so many Enlightenment,d people ar more aware now.is dat not something?wat's wrong wit men like aribisala?

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by hioman: 7:58pm On Mar 31, 2016
Thumbs Up to Mr. Femi Aribisala. He hit the nail on the head!

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Icecomrade: 7:58pm On Mar 31, 2016

Sagay! Licking the boat of his masters since 1900.

I won't call you prof cos I don't see any difference between you and an illiterate

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by victorazy(m): 8:00pm On Mar 31, 2016
Is he a gay true true?

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Ghost01(m): 8:00pm On Mar 31, 2016
How can you invite Aribisala to a serious discussion on Nigeria? The man is one huge comedy! What Buhari took from him, I'll never know. So because a government wants to show that it is serious about fighting corruption it should create more agencies? C'mon!

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Nnemuka(f): 8:01pm On Mar 31, 2016
femi is an IPOD yoot.

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by neolboy(m): 8:02pm On Mar 31, 2016
Confusion don set in

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by StevenJay01(m): 8:02pm On Mar 31, 2016
Aribisala my guy!!!i can place a bet of a million Dollar that he will take the entire zombie crew to the cleaners

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by clefstone(m): 8:03pm On Mar 31, 2016
Hope Aribisala slap that fat, big nosed obasanjo girlfriend

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by freeze001(f): 8:03pm On Mar 31, 2016
A classical representation of the playground bully who is usually a coward inside but puts on a false front of bravado because of his bigger size or in this case, the Dutch courage drawn from the elixir being in power. Rather than 'fight' with someone their size, they pick on 'easier prey'.

Ezekwesili and Sagay are just a tad bereft of ideas and comments with which to put down Femi's strong points and that is why they practically left the subject of discourse and started harassing students who clapped after listening to a speaker.

Femi was clear that there can be no acclaimed fight against corruption when the premise on which they rode into power was already corrupt. Glaring cases of nepotism, deliberate disregard of the rule of law and seeming concentration on people drawn from a particular group either due to their tribes or political affiliation are enough to rubbish the so called corruption fight. Students saw reason with both the content and form of his argument and showed their agreement in the most civil way possible, ie clapping.

Rather than address points raised and counter them or raise a more superior argument, they left Femi and attacked the students. I mean what is this?!

justurch:

“So for example, I wasn’t surprised that some of you were clapping. The reason you were clapping is that you are a page in your own level of corruption." (Oby Ezekwesili)

Or this?

justurch:

“We are not here to make students clap,” a visibly angry Mr. Sagay, who serves as the chairman of a Presidential Advisory Committee on Anti-courruption.
“We are here on a very serious business. And students, don’t behave like American electorates who are ignorant. Donald Trump. The appreciation of unserious people shows ignorance. How can someone come here and say there’s no war against corruption and there is clapping? ‎”

Sagay, an erudite professor of law (as he then was), chose to attack the person of Femi and even draw Trump into the matter in referring to his idea of appreciation of unserious people. Tomorrow now if Donald Trump becomes POTUS, he will be one of those to wax poetic about how wonderful Trump is. So shameful!

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by ogaontop(m): 8:05pm On Mar 31, 2016
Let Them Address The Issues He Raised

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by IVORY2009(m): 8:06pm On Mar 31, 2016
It true corruption has eating deep in the Nigeria economy, but the fight against corruption should be across all board and not only PDP members and on pages of newspapers, I want to see the day an APC member is brought to book for corruption related matter, eg Fashola, Amechi, Tinubu etc then this present administration would be said to be fighting corruption.

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Re: Sagay, Ezekwesili, Aribisala Clash At Roundtable On Corruption War by Intrepid01(m): 8:06pm On Mar 31, 2016
Ozid:
This Mr Aribisala is just making mockery of himself. If at this age of his he sees nothing bad in corruption then he need to have a brain check up.
Did you read the write up at all? you are one of the reason why Nigeria is where it is today.

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